Current Events > NY Democrats will likely put off pot legalization for another year

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https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/albany/2019/06/03/ny-legal-marijuana-andrew-cuomo-says-its-not-feasible-year/1330487001/

Useless party
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Likely so they can pitch it as an election issue. "Want legal pot? Then you'll have to vote for us".
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antfair posted...

Useless party

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Vote out all incumbents.
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s0nicfan posted...

Likely so they can pitch it as an election issue. "Want legal pot? Then you'll have to vote for us".

They did that last year! Also, they are Democrats in New York.
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AOC sucks lmao
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DeadSite posted...

AOC sucks lmao

AOC is in congress, not Albany.
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Literally backwards pieces of shit.

They keep raising taxes and giving away free shit, but are too stupid to legalize a benefit to the state and its people.
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so what's the deal with NY state politics? Is the legislature really gerrymandered or something? It always seemed weird to me how much less progressive it is than the west coast. Is it really just all the stodgy old business interests holding you guys down?
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Been calling this for months.

Vertania posted...

Cuomo is all about legalization when election season rolls around and for a couple months after, but then its right back to were just not ready yet. Those pharmaceutical lobbyists and police unions sure know how to keep him in check.

Balrog0 posted...

so what's the deal with NY state politics? Is the legislature really gerrymandered or something? It always seemed weird to me how much less progressive it is than the west coast. Is it really just all the stodgy old business interests holding you guys down?

This:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_New_York
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Moving out of this shithole in <2 months

Stoked
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Vertania posted...

Been calling this for months.

Vertania posted...

Cuomo is all about legalization when election season rolls around and for a couple months after, but then its right back to were just not ready yet. Those pharmaceutical lobbyists and police unions sure know how to keep him in check.

Yep, I've seen your posts before. This shit will never get legalized. It makes me jealous that places so close like MA have it.
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Balrog0 posted...

so what's the deal with NY state politics? Is the legislature really gerrymandered or something? It always seemed weird to me how much less progressive it is than the west coast. Is it really just all the stodgy old business interests holding you guys down?

Where to begin?

A few things worth noting:
- there's an unspoken agreement to give upstate disproportionate power in the Senate, which naturally benefits Republicans
- up until last year's primaries, a breakaway group of Democrats caucused with Republicans to give the GOP a majority in the senate.
- Governor Cuomo, like his father before him, reportedly prefers such a setup because it saves him the trouble of having to veto progressive legislation.
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upstate ny is all unused farmland & is ravaged by opioid addiction, you'd think the govt would want to kill two birds with one stone by legalizing marijuana lol. but no, they'd rather watch them commit suicide in slowmo
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Romulox28 posted...

upstate ny is all unused farmland & is ravaged by opioid addiction, you'd think the govt would want to kill two birds with one stone by legalizing marijuana lol. but no, they'd rather watch them commit suicide in slowmo

^^
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Pukelid posted...

antfair posted...

Useless party

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Romulox28 posted...

upstate ny is all unused farmland & is ravaged by opioid addiction, you'd think the govt would want to kill two birds with one stone by legalizing marijuana lol. but no, they'd rather watch them commit suicide in slowmo

I'm not saying they should be executed. But if a politician can successfully linked to bribes, they should be yeeted off the freedom tower
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s0nicfan posted...

Balrog0 posted...

so what's the deal with NY state politics? Is the legislature really gerrymandered or something? It always seemed weird to me how much less progressive it is than the west coast. Is it really just all the stodgy old business interests holding you guys down?

This:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_New_York

Uh you pulled the wrong map.
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SK8T3R215 posted...

Uh you pulled the wrong map.

Edited my previous post to correct.
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s0nicfan posted...

Balrog0 posted...

so what's the deal with NY state politics? Is the legislature really gerrymandered or something? It always seemed weird to me how much less progressive it is than the west coast. Is it really just all the stodgy old business interests holding you guys down?

This:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_New_York

Using the county map seems deeply misleading, given that roughly half the population lives in NYC and legislative maps are drawn to account for that fact.
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Antifar posted...

Using the county map seems deeply misleading, given that roughly half the population lives in NYC and legislative maps are drawn to account for that fact.

Yes, a lot of the population lives in NYC, but if your job is to represent the entire state, and the vast majority of the state is red, you're going to see politicians do things that appeal to people other than those living in a 300 square mile section of a 54,000 square mile state. Balrog wanted to know why NY was less progressive than other states. I'm pointing out that outside of NYC it's not a progressive state.
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The problem is they tied it to the budget.

The break down is a bit much, but that is where it all went wrong.
Still a stupid move.

NYS's budget is always a shit show.
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s0nicfan posted...

but if your job is to represent the entire state, and the vast majority of the state is red,

It is not a red state, and legislators' job is to represent their district, which are mostly where the people are. There are 36 Democrats representing districts in and around NYC, in a legislative body of 62. The problem is not rural upstate.
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SiO4 posted...

The problem is they tied it to the budget.

The break down is a bit much, but that is where it all went wrong.
Still a stupid move.

NYS's budget is always a shit show.

They knew exactly what they were doing. They want another partisan issue to blackmail their constituency with.
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The NY state Democratic Party is also very much controlled by corrupt (and largely unelected) cadre of donors and political insiders designed to reward loyalty rather than to achieve political goals.
So, like most state parties, but with a longer and grimier legacy.

s0nicfan posted...

Yes, a lot of the population lives in NYC, but if your job is to represent the entire state, and the vast majority of the state is red, you're going to see politicians do things that appeal to people other than those living in a 300 square mile section of a 54,000 square mile state. Balrog wanted to know why NY was less progressive than other states. I'm pointing out that outside of NYC it's not a progressive state.

Most people in the red counties still want weed legalized though.

Vertania posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Yes, a lot of the population lives in NYC, but if your job is to represent the entire state, and the vast majority of the state is red, you're going to see politicians do things that appeal to people other than those living in a 300 square mile section of a 54,000 square mile state. Balrog wanted to know why NY was less progressive than other states. I'm pointing out that outside of NYC it's not a progressive state.

Most people in the red counties still want weed legalized though.

Which is why my first post was:
s0nicfan posted...

Likely so they can pitch it as an election issue. "Want legal pot? Then you'll have to vote for us".

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s0nicfan posted...

Which is why my first post was:
s0nicfan posted...

Likely so they can pitch it as an election issue. "Want legal pot? Then you'll have to vote for us".

I want to believe voters would wise up to it, but... well, I know a lot of people who vote and they dont pay attention to politics for shit.

Antifar posted...

s0nicfan posted...

but if your job is to represent the entire state, and the vast majority of the state is red,

It is not a red state, and legislators' job is to represent their district, which are mostly where the people are. There are 36 Democrats representing districts in and around NYC, in a legislative body of 62.

Plus, the state hasnt had a Republican Governor since 2006 or a Republican Senator since 1998. The last Republican President to carry the state was freaking Reagan!

Vertania posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Yes, a lot of the population lives in NYC, but if your job is to represent the entire state, and the vast majority of the state is red, you're going to see politicians do things that appeal to people other than those living in a 300 square mile section of a 54,000 square mile state. Balrog wanted to know why NY was less progressive than other states. I'm pointing out that outside of NYC it's not a progressive state.

Most people in the red counties still want weed legalized though.

Ya I was going to say, even your biggest redneck in upstate is nothing compared to other parts of the country. To some degree it has to do with the aging population and the number of jobs that come from 'correctional' facilities, and general law enforcement. After that it's a ton of people who frame houses..etc..
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s0nicfan posted...

Antifar posted...

Using the county map seems deeply misleading, given that roughly half the population lives in NYC and legislative maps are drawn to account for that fact.

Yes, a lot of the population lives in NYC, but if your job is to represent the entire state, and the vast majority of the state is red, you're going to see politicians do things that appeal to people other than those living in a 300 square mile section of a 54,000 square mile state. Balrog wanted to know why NY was less progressive than other states. I'm pointing out that outside of NYC it's not a progressive state.

You're pretending that empty land is more important than people again?
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SiO4 posted...

the amount of jobs that come from 'correctional' facilities, and general law enforcement

Oh, I know all about that, unfortunately. My city has two of the biggest prisons in the state and has a former sheriff for the fucking County Executive. Its no surprise that the county has already come out and said theyd opt out of any recreational legalization.

God, I fucking hate this town sooooo much.

s0nicfan posted...

Antifar posted...

Using the county map seems deeply misleading, given that roughly half the population lives in NYC and legislative maps are drawn to account for that fact.

Yes, a lot of the population lives in NYC, but if your job is to represent the entire state, and the vast majority of the state is red, you're going to see politicians do things that appeal to people other than those living in a 300 square mile section of a 54,000 square mile state. Balrog wanted to know why NY was less progressive than other states. I'm pointing out that outside of NYC it's not a progressive state.

I feel like actual people count for more than mostly empty land, but thats just me

Vertania posted...

SiO4 posted...

the amount of jobs that come from 'correctional' facilities, and general law enforcement

Oh, I know all about that, unfortunately. My city has two of the biggest prisons in the state and has a former sheriff for the fucking County Executive. Its no surprise that the county has already come out and said theyd opt out of any recreational legalization.

God, I fucking hate this town sooooo much.

LOL Granville? Something like that.
I thought you were more Machiniville or something like that.

...Or not Malone? Don't say Malone...

...But ya, you know what I'm saying.
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Vertania posted...

SiO4 posted...

the amount of jobs that come from 'correctional' facilities, and general law enforcement

Oh, I know all about that, unfortunately. My city has two of the biggest prisons in the state and has a former sheriff for the fucking County Executive. Its no surprise that the county has already come out and said theyd opt out of any recreational legalization.

God, I fucking hate this town sooooo much.

that is morally reprehensible
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weed will be legalized once cuomos out of office and a republican governor is elected.
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s0nicfan posted...

Antifar posted...

Using the county map seems deeply misleading, given that roughly half the population lives in NYC and legislative maps are drawn to account for that fact.

Yes, a lot of the population lives in NYC, but if your job is to represent the entire state, and the vast majority of the state is red, you're going to see politicians do things that appeal to people other than those living in a 300 square mile section of a 54,000 square mile state. Balrog wanted to know why NY was less progressive than other states. I'm pointing out that outside of NYC it's not a progressive state.

lmfao 20 million live in the metro NYC area

only 3 million outside of it
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SiO4 posted...

LOL Granville? Something like that.
I thought you were more Machiniville or something like that.

...Or not Malone? Don't say Malone...

...But ya, you know what I'm saying.

I... actually dont even know any of those towns >_>

Mine is like right on the Pennsylvania border.

Paper_Okami posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Antifar posted...

Using the county map seems deeply misleading, given that roughly half the population lives in NYC and legislative maps are drawn to account for that fact.

Yes, a lot of the population lives in NYC, but if your job is to represent the entire state, and the vast majority of the state is red, you're going to see politicians do things that appeal to people other than those living in a 300 square mile section of a 54,000 square mile state. Balrog wanted to know why NY was less progressive than other states. I'm pointing out that outside of NYC it's not a progressive state.

lmfao 20 million live in the metro NYC area

only 3 million outside of it

The "NYC metro area" literally includes NJ and PA residents. New York City has a population of about 8 million. The state itself only has 19.5 million people. So are you just completely full of shit or did you just not know what "metro area" meant?
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s0nicfan posted...

Antifar posted...

Using the county map seems deeply misleading, given that roughly half the population lives in NYC and legislative maps are drawn to account for that fact.

Yes, a lot of the population lives in NYC, but if your job is to represent the entire state, and the vast majority of the state is red, you're going to see politicians do things that appeal to people other than those living in a 300 square mile section of a 54,000 square mile state. Balrog wanted to know why NY was less progressive than other states. I'm pointing out that outside of NYC it's not a progressive state.

your job as a state representative or state senator is more to represent your district than your entire state imo

Anyway, I'd say that the entire west coast does a better job at progressive state politics than new york does, even though NYC itself is very progressive in many ways. Yet if you look at Oregon or Washington 2016 presidential election results, they are as red as this map of new york is
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Vertania posted...

SiO4 posted...

LOL Granville? Something like that.
I thought you were more Machiniville or something like that.

...Or not Malone? Don't say Malone...

...But ya, you know what I'm saying.

I... actually dont even know any of those towns >_>

Mine is like right on the Pennsylvania border.

Ohh, well. Granville Slate is amazing.

Other than that you aren't missing a thing.
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s0nicfan posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Antifar posted...

Using the county map seems deeply misleading, given that roughly half the population lives in NYC and legislative maps are drawn to account for that fact.

Yes, a lot of the population lives in NYC, but if your job is to represent the entire state, and the vast majority of the state is red, you're going to see politicians do things that appeal to people other than those living in a 300 square mile section of a 54,000 square mile state. Balrog wanted to know why NY was less progressive than other states. I'm pointing out that outside of NYC it's not a progressive state.

lmfao 20 million live in the metro NYC area

only 3 million outside of it

The "NYC metro area" literally includes NJ and PA residents. New York City has a population of about 8 million. The state itself only has 19.5 million people. So are you just completely full of shit or did you just not know what "metro area" meant?

more than half live in NYC

My bad but you're acting like NYC isn't by far the bulk of the state

you said the vast majority of the state is red

which is factually wrong

so don't act like you're arguing in good faith
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s0nicfan posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Antifar posted...

Using the county map seems deeply misleading, given that roughly half the population lives in NYC and legislative maps are drawn to account for that fact.

Yes, a lot of the population lives in NYC, but if your job is to represent the entire state, and the vast majority of the state is red, you're going to see politicians do things that appeal to people other than those living in a 300 square mile section of a 54,000 square mile state. Balrog wanted to know why NY was less progressive than other states. I'm pointing out that outside of NYC it's not a progressive state.

lmfao 20 million live in the metro NYC area

only 3 million outside of it

The "NYC metro area" literally includes NJ and PA residents. New York City has a population of about 8 million. The state itself only has 19.5 million people. So are you just completely full of shit or did you just not know what "metro area" meant?

Also, Connecticut
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