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scorpion41
12/21/18 11:38:42 PM
#152:


FrisbeeDude posted...
scorpion41 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
scorpion41 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
WaterLink posted...
This topic really is what's wrong with the culture now. A person had one incident years ago, and now correctly enforcing the rules is racist if it's against a black person because of that?


lmaooo it's never racism to yall


Seriously go look it the rulebook...its clearly defined.


sorry not sorry, but the racist doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.


So it doesnt matter that its in the rule book and was correctly applied. Lol. Lets throw the whole thing out then.


ok bro. as you were. the adults are talking


So you have no real rebuttal. Not surprised...
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FrisbeeDude
12/21/18 11:39:45 PM
#153:


scorpion41 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
scorpion41 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
scorpion41 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
WaterLink posted...
This topic really is what's wrong with the culture now. A person had one incident years ago, and now correctly enforcing the rules is racist if it's against a black person because of that?


lmaooo it's never racism to yall


Seriously go look it the rulebook...its clearly defined.


sorry not sorry, but the racist doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.


So it doesnt matter that its in the rule book and was correctly applied. Lol. Lets throw the whole thing out then.


ok bro. as you were. the adults are talking


So you have no real rebuttal. Not surprised...


ok
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WaterLink
12/21/18 11:53:15 PM
#154:


FrisbeeDude posted...
WaterLink posted...
This topic really is what's wrong with the culture now. A person had one incident years ago, and now correctly enforcing the rules is racist if it's against a black person because of that?


lmaooo it's never racism to yall

More like it's not always racism to me. Someone doing their job properly isnt racism
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Serious Cat
12/22/18 12:24:20 AM
#155:


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sorry not sorry, but the racist doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

If he had a cap in the first place, there's no doubt involved. If the cap wasn't able to be secured properly, there's no doubt involved. It seems this telling of the story is leaving out a third option: get a regulation cap that secures under the chin.
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ModLogic
12/22/18 1:31:00 AM
#156:


FrisbeeDude posted...
scorpion41 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
WaterLink posted...
This topic really is what's wrong with the culture now. A person had one incident years ago, and now correctly enforcing the rules is racist if it's against a black person because of that?


lmaooo it's never racism to yall


Seriously go look it the rulebook...its clearly defined.


sorry not sorry, but the racist doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

funny the likes of you say this, then go on to act like the nuking of japan is justifiable. since due to your own logic, the racist truman shouldn't be given benefit of the doubt.
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Killmonger
12/22/18 1:46:53 AM
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You do realize the irony in your statement, yes? Weird he has wrestled with no issues in the past and managed to past inspections.

Also, after looking at the video, his hair doesn't extend past his earlobe neither does it touch the top of his shirt.


If the length wasnt an issue then why did he need a cap? Also, referees/umpires are notoriously inconsistent. Ive seen extremely lax and extremely strict. But, if the rule is there and they choose to enforce it theres literally nothing you can do to fight it unless he passed a different kid with similar violations.

Unless his dreads where longer, you're under the assumption that wearing a cap means means that length is an issue. Even then, he was within the regulations set forth. The referee is clearly incompetent.


The issue WAS his cap. The original story in the paper said he had a hair cap, but it wasnt attached to the head gear. The requirement was added to the NFHS rulebook a few years back and, unless the state athletic association is completely incompetent, should have been reviewed annually at the rules clinic. The referee in question isnt incompetent if he caught a violation that the other referees missed. If the athlete didnt have the legal head wear he had to remedy the violation or forfeit.

"SITUATION 17: Does braided hair that is non-abrasive need to be contained in a legal hair cover? RULING: If the hair in its natural state is longer than allowed by rule, then it must be contained in a legal hair cover. (4-2-1)"

The rules are taken from the National Federation book. Maybe I missed something, but was it stated anywhere in the rule book that it had to be attached to his headgear? You're under the assumption that he wasn't in regulation with no evidence provided. Except he did, hence why you must past an inspection before your match. If iy had been issue like he claims, he would have addressed this prior to any of this happening.
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Serious Cat
12/22/18 2:09:32 AM
#158:


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Maybe I missed something, but was it stated anywhere in the rule book that it had to be attached to his headgear?

Yes. That's what constitutes a legal head cover.
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Completion
12/22/18 2:10:55 AM
#159:


ModLogic posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
scorpion41 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
WaterLink posted...
This topic really is what's wrong with the culture now. A person had one incident years ago, and now correctly enforcing the rules is racist if it's against a black person because of that?


lmaooo it's never racism to yall


Seriously go look it the rulebook...its clearly defined.


sorry not sorry, but the racist doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

funny the likes of you say this, then go on to act like the nuking of japan is justifiable. since due to your own logic, the racist truman shouldn't be given benefit of the doubt.


You say a lot of extremely dumb shit but this one is pretty high up there
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ModLogic
12/22/18 4:34:35 AM
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so explain why the racist gets the benefit of the doubt when he is president and nuked people he believed to be inferior?
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toyota
12/22/18 4:44:51 AM
#161:


Ive had to cut my hair short to get a job. even though no one would really admit it, hair length/style/grooming can play a role in getting a job. i never proceeded further into interview processes until i sucked it up and went clean cut. it is what it is

if hair length is explicity in the rules then you gotta abide by it. Would be bs though if he lets other people with long hair participate.
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chrono625
12/22/18 9:17:00 AM
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Killmonger posted...
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Killmonger posted...
Except they were covered.

With a regulation cover?

scorpion41 posted...
Killmonger posted...
scorpion41 posted...
The referee was enforcing an existing rule that the COACH should have enforced long before that incident. The wrestler is supposed to wear a hair cover if it is too long.

Taken from the NFHS website:
SITUATION 17: Does braided hair that is non-abrasive need to be contained in a legal hair cover? RULING: If the hair in its natural state is longer than allowed by rule, then it must be contained in a legal hair cover. (4-2-1)

In order to wrestle the kid had to either wear a cover, or cut the hair to a legal length.

Except they were covered.


Except his cap wasnt attached to the headgear, as per the rules.

Except the referee ignored this rule. If it had been an issue, it would have been addressed during inspection.


Inspection happens before the actual match.

The refs would inspect EACH wrestler prior to the match and do general health inspections at weight ins. Like, look at skin conditions if they noticed a rash or something. Then they check nails, facial hair and hair to make sure you either are at proper length or have the regulation cap.

It's not their job to tell a kid he needs the proper cap for his hair. That's the COACHES job to make sure his wrestlers are up to rules and code.

If the wrestler didnt have the proper cap, the rules were enforced fairly.
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chrono625
12/22/18 9:17:56 AM
#163:


FrisbeeDude posted...
scorpion41 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
scorpion41 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
WaterLink posted...
This topic really is what's wrong with the culture now. A person had one incident years ago, and now correctly enforcing the rules is racist if it's against a black person because of that?


lmaooo it's never racism to yall


Seriously go look it the rulebook...its clearly defined.


sorry not sorry, but the racist doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.


So it doesnt matter that its in the rule book and was correctly applied. Lol. Lets throw the whole thing out then.


ok bro. as you were. the adults are talking


Says the petulant child ignoring obvious and valid points. But let's racism yallllllll.
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scorpion41
12/22/18 10:35:42 AM
#164:


Killmonger posted...
scorpion41 posted...
Killmonger posted...
scorpion41 posted...
Killmonger posted...
You do realize the irony in your statement, yes? Weird he has wrestled with no issues in the past and managed to past inspections.

Also, after looking at the video, his hair doesn't extend past his earlobe neither does it touch the top of his shirt.


If the length wasnt an issue then why did he need a cap? Also, referees/umpires are notoriously inconsistent. Ive seen extremely lax and extremely strict. But, if the rule is there and they choose to enforce it theres literally nothing you can do to fight it unless he passed a different kid with similar violations.

Unless his dreads where longer, you're under the assumption that wearing a cap means means that length is an issue. Even then, he was within the regulations set forth. The referee is clearly incompetent.


The issue WAS his cap. The original story in the paper said he had a hair cap, but it wasnt attached to the head gear. The requirement was added to the NFHS rulebook a few years back and, unless the state athletic association is completely incompetent, should have been reviewed annually at the rules clinic. The referee in question isnt incompetent if he caught a violation that the other referees missed. If the athlete didnt have the legal head wear he had to remedy the violation or forfeit.

"SITUATION 17: Does braided hair that is non-abrasive need to be contained in a legal hair cover? RULING: If the hair in its natural state is longer than allowed by rule, then it must be contained in a legal hair cover. (4-2-1)"

The rules are taken from the National Federation book. Maybe I missed something, but was it stated anywhere in the rule book that it had to be attached to his headgear? You're under the assumption that he wasn't in regulation with no evidence provided. Except he did, hence why you must past an inspection before your match. If iy had been issue like he claims, he would have addressed this prior to any of this happening.


Ok I did the homework for you. From the 2014-15 NFHS Rulebook, and this hasnt been changed:

http://www.utahwrestling.org/2014_15WrestlingRuleBook.pdf#page36

On page 40 and in Section 3 it says that the hair cover must be attached to the ear guards.

The wrestlers hair cover was not attached. Thats why he was disqualified unless he remedied the violation. The people crying racism dont know the rules and apparently arent trying to learn them...all they are paying attention to is a white man telling a black kid he couldnt wrestle with dreads.
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Fam_Fam
12/22/18 10:37:50 AM
#165:


WaterLink posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
WaterLink posted...
This topic really is what's wrong with the culture now. A person had one incident years ago, and now correctly enforcing the rules is racist if it's against a black person because of that?


lmaooo it's never racism to yall

More like it's not always racism to me. Someone doing their job properly isnt racism


what if someone's job involves racist behaviors?
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1NfamousACE_2
12/22/18 10:38:17 AM
#166:


Was this his first match of the season?

What'd he do before?
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_Squirtle_
12/22/18 10:39:33 AM
#167:


scorpion41 posted...
Ok I did the homework for you. From the 2014-15 NFHS Rulebook, and this hasnt been changed:

http://www.utahwrestling.org/2014_15WrestlingRuleBook.pdf#page36

On page 40 and in Section 3 it says that the hair cover must be attached to the ear guards.

The wrestlers hair cover was not attached. Thats why he was disqualified unless he remedied the violation.


They've already grabbed their pitchforks. Facts won't change their minds now.
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myzz7
12/22/18 10:41:51 AM
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I couldnt watch the video. I was holding back rage tears.
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scorpion41
12/22/18 11:20:34 AM
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And something else not considered...this could have been the kids first VARSITY match. Referees usually let minor equipment/uniform violations slide in junior varsity competition since they are generally less intense and dont count. So it would make sense that he was unaware that his head gear was illegal. Once again, that falls on the coach for not checking the rules. This referee isnt at fault unless he allowed another kid to wrestle with similar violations.
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FrisbeeDude
12/22/18 12:49:28 PM
#171:


Olympic gold medalist in wrestling weighs in

https://twitter.com/SInow/status/1076515222519771138?s=19



edit: and the ref has been barred from officiating matches until investigation is over. hopefully they just fire him
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scorpion41
12/22/18 12:59:47 PM
#172:


Once again the issue was with his hair cap. It has to be attached to the ear guard to be legal...his wasnt legal.
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FrisbeeDude
12/22/18 2:29:59 PM
#173:


Today show picked up the story. This dude is cooked. He shouldn't have been officiating anyway, but that's another discussion

https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1076458351997976577?s=19
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mattnd2007
12/22/18 2:41:20 PM
#174:


#buttstuff
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