Current Events > William Shatner battles with fans over defense of 'Baby It's Cold Outside'

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Call in to CBC radio all day and get them to play 'Baby It's Cold Outside' over and over until midnight!" Shatner wrote.

The former "T.J. Hooker" lead continued to engage with fans on the issue, explaining that he's worried about the "myopic glasses" that the classic song is being viewed through in 2018.

https://apple.news/AqgTIzlIzTF6Rh4guL_LqYg
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It is kind of troubling how stupid people are these days
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YourDrunkFather posted...

It is kind of troubling how stupid people are these days

Genuinely.

I've literally hard far, FAR more people crying about this song being banned than people actually wanting this song banned.
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Skye Reynolds posted...

YourDrunkFather posted...

It is kind of troubling how stupid people are these days

Genuinely.

The amount of people who get educated incorrectly in the age of information vs correctly is scary and I think we're doomed. We're heading towards something catastrophic. Be ready
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Im sorry, in a year marred with high profile rape allegations and sexual assaults, can we not go one Christmas without the rapey-ist Christmas song of all time?
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Heineken14 posted...

I've literally heard far, FAR more people crying about this song being banned than people actually wanting this song banned.

I think weve established that people will tolerate the most horrid shit if it touches their own personal sense of nostalgia. (See: Looney Tunes Blackface, Disneys Song of the South)
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BeyondWalls posted...

Im sorry, in a year marred with high profile rape allegations and sexual assaults, can we not go one Christmas without the rapey-ist Christmas song of all time?

Can we also ban Money for Nothing again for its blatantly homophobic lyrics?

/s
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BeyondWalls posted...

Im sorry, in a year marred with high profile rape allegations and sexual assaults, can we not go one Christmas without the rapey-ist Christmas song of all time?

there's one of them
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It's not even a good song, I'm not certain why people are so vehemently fighting this.
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spudger posted...

The former "T.J. Hooker" lead

o...kay.
That's totally what made Shatner famous, huh?

Questionmarktarius posted...

spudger posted...

The former "T.J. Hooker" lead

o...kay.
That's totally what made Shatner famous, huh?

Lol
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BeyondWalls posted...

Im sorry, in a year marred with high profile rape allegations and sexual assaults, can we not go one Christmas without the rapey-ist Christmas song of all time?

It's not rapey. At all. You'd have to have a stunted ability to detect social cues to think so.

BLAKUboy posted...

It's not even a good song, I'm not certain why people are so vehemently fighting this.

Disagree. It's one of my favorite Xmas songs.

Heineken14 posted...

I've literally hard far, FAR more people crying about this song being banned than people actually wanting this song banned.

To be fair, if it's already been banned, people who want it banned have less to cry about than people want it to not be banned anymore.
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I'm amazed at how good he looks for being 87.
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Let's not forget that Rudolph apparently encourages bullying even though it's a story about not writing off those who are different.

<_<

I still have yet to find a single person who is actually offended by Rudolph.

I've only come across people who claim that there is outrage over Rudolph.
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mario2000 posted...

I'm amazed at how good he looks for being 87.

Yea its freaky
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spudger posted...

mario2000 posted...

I'm amazed at how good he looks for being 87.

Yea its freaky

All those alien STDs keeps him young.
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"I'm worried about the myopic glasses that the classic song is being viewed through in 2018, therefore the solution is to spitefully play it over and over beyond and point of reason."
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Esrac posted...

It's not rapey. At all. You'd have to have a stunted ability to detect social cues to think so.

That's a bit of an exaggeration. You'd have to be ignorant of the context in which it was written, combined with being a little conditioned to look for the patriarchy everywhere. A stunted ability to detect social cues is a little strong imo
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I'm pretty sure there's some willful ignorance mixed in there too
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Heineken14 posted...

I've literally hard far, FAR more people crying about this song being banned than people actually wanting this song banned.

It's almost as if people are outraged that one of their favourite Christmas songs is going to be banned for no good reason.

Trelve posted...

Heineken14 posted...

I've literally hard far, FAR more people crying about this song being banned than people actually wanting this song banned.

It's almost as if people are outraged that one of their favourite Christmas songs is going to be banned for no good reason.

Yeah. Imagine people being mad at having good things taken away over stupid shit.

Trelve posted...

Heineken14 posted...

I've literally hard far, FAR more people crying about this song being banned than people actually wanting this song banned.

It's almost as if people are outraged that one of their favourite Christmas songs is going to be banned for no good reason.

because certain radio stations choosing not to play it anymore means it's "banned"

because there is no other way to listen to music of your choosing in this day and age
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My understanding that it's not so much a ban, it's just a radio station that removed it from their playlist. I'm sure there are plenty of other stations that still play it, and some that will play it more than usual
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Play it. It's catchy and a lot of people like it. I love that it's a product of its time and you have to understand the context of that fact, in order to not mislabel it as "rapey."
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BLAKUboy posted...

It's not even a good song, I'm not certain why people are so vehemently fighting this.

It's not about the song, it's about not letting fake outrage win

Skye Reynolds posted...

Let's not forget that Rudolph apparently encourages bullying even though it's a story about not writing off those who are different.

I'm honestly surprised they haven't censored the "you stay in the cave this is man work" line yet. But yeah, the characters who acted like assholes were written like that on purpose, that's the point. Then they all realize they were wrong and grow from it.
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BeyondWalls posted...

Im sorry, in a year marred with high profile rape allegations and sexual assaults, can we not go one Christmas without the rapey-ist Christmas song of all time?

Except there is nothing rapey about that song. You are misunderstanding the lyrics and applying modern assumptions about what you think the meaning is

It's not about the song, it's about not letting fake outrage win

It's definitely "fake outrage", but not in the sense you probably think it is.
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This controversy;
"You have to understand the context of the time the song was created! The meaning doesn't change because we do!"
Also these guys;
"The Confederate flag has changed meaning and now means southern pride and has nothing to do with slavery or civil rights!"

I don't care about the confederate flag. I've never even been to the south. my family has no ties to the confederacy and I could give a fuck about southern pride

I live even farther north than you, unless your also in Alaska

Zikten posted...

I don't care about the confederate flag. I've never even been to the south. my family has no ties to the confederacy and I could give a fuck about southern pride

It's a good thing I wasn't addressing you, then, huh?

I thoguht you were addressing anyone defending the song

Zikten posted...

I thoguht you were addressing anyone defending the song

Yes, Zikten, I was saying that there are literally only two positions to take, either you love the Confederate Flag and Baby It's Cold Outside, or you want it banned. You are so clever to understand that I was secretly saying there was only two possible opinions on the controversy with my deceptively lighthearted jibe at a certain contingent of outrage junkies.

mario2000 posted...

Trelve posted...

Heineken14 posted...

I've literally hard far, FAR more people crying about this song being banned than people actually wanting this song banned.

It's almost as if people are outraged that one of their favourite Christmas songs is going to be banned for no good reason.

because certain radio stations choosing not to play it anymore means it's "banned"

because there is no other way to listen to music of your choosing in this day and age

Things like this are why these things blow up. The onus is always on the non-offended to change, give up, or go through extra trouble for the benefit of the offended. The onus is never on the offended to change the damn radio station themselves. People get tired of having to change their lives, thoughts, and enjoyments because a minority, one that may just be looking for things to be upset about, say 2 words: that's offensive.
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The song is fine. I never gave it much thought before all this fake outrage, but I've listened to it a lot lately (Spotify still plays it), and I don't see it as rapey at all.
eston posted...

"I'm worried about the myopic glasses that the classic song is being viewed through in 2018, therefore the solution is to spitefully play it over and over beyond and point of reason."

That's not what he was saying. He was saying, as a way of protesting the ban at certain stations, people should blow up their phones requesting they play it. That would get noticed.
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Dash_Harber posted...

Zikten posted...

I thoguht you were addressing anyone defending the song

Yes, Zikten, I was saying that there are literally only two positions to take, either you love the Confederate Flag and Baby It's Cold Outside, or you want it banned. You are so clever to understand that I was secretly saying there was only two possible opinions on the controversy with my deceptively lighthearted jibe at a certain contingent of outrage junkies.

You literally framed it that way with this post here...
Dash_Harber posted...

This controversy;
"You have to understand the context of the time the song was created! The meaning doesn't change because we do!"
Also these guys;
"The Confederate flag has changed meaning and now means southern pride and has nothing to do with slavery or civil rights!"

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It is not even a Christmas song. Is a song about fucking in the got damn winter.
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lightwarrior78 posted...

mario2000 posted...

Trelve posted...

Heineken14 posted...

I've literally hard far, FAR more people crying about this song being banned than people actually wanting this song banned.

It's almost as if people are outraged that one of their favourite Christmas songs is going to be banned for no good reason.

because certain radio stations choosing not to play it anymore means it's "banned"

because there is no other way to listen to music of your choosing in this day and age

Things like this are why these things blow up. The onus is always on the non-offended to change, give up, or go through extra trouble for the benefit of the offended. The onus is never on the offended to change the damn radio station themselves. People get tired of having to change their lives, thoughts, and enjoyments because a minority, one that may just be looking for things to be upset about, say 2 words: that's offensive.

I take it you would be fine with still having separate water fountains.
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lightwarrior78 posted...

Things like this are why these things blow up. The onus is always on the non-offended to change, give up, or go through extra trouble for the benefit of the offended. The onus is never on the offended to change the damn radio station themselves. People get tired of having to change their lives, thoughts, and enjoyments because a minority, one that may just be looking for things to be upset about, say 2 words: that's offensive.

no, the reason this blew up is because we live in a world where everyone enjoys having something new to outrage over
most people do not live in the areas the radio station that decided not to play it is in. most people who are complaining about this have access to spotify, youtube, pandora, itunes, etc. where it's still available in multiple formats
it's just the progression of clickbait
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BeyondWalls posted...

Im sorry, in a year marred with high profile rape allegations and sexual assaults, can we not go one Christmas without the rapey-ist Christmas song of all time?

Where do you stand on non-Christmas music, such as Gangsta Rap that also contain the same subject matter?

Where are the people angry about those songs?
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Holy_Pumpkin posted...

Skye Reynolds posted...

YourDrunkFather posted...

It is kind of troubling how stupid people are these days

Genuinely.

The amount of people who get educated incorrectly in the age of information vs correctly is scary and I think we're doomed. We're heading towards something catastrophic. Be ready

The problem is "information age" is misleading as not all information represents facts.

If you ask 100 people a simple math question, say what's 3x5, a couple will get it wrong. Now if all those people can publish their dumbass answers as well as the right one, suddenly the internet has several answers.
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DevsBro posted...

Holy_Pumpkin posted...

Skye Reynolds posted...

YourDrunkFather posted...

It is kind of troubling how stupid people are these days

Genuinely.

The amount of people who get educated incorrectly in the age of information vs correctly is scary and I think we're doomed. We're heading towards something catastrophic. Be ready

The problem is "information age" is misleading as not all information represents facts.

If you ask 100 people a simple math question, say what's 3x5, a couple will get it wrong. Now if all those people can publish their dumbass answers as well as the right one, suddenly the internet has several answers.

https://imgur.com/jswxMum
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Heineken14 posted...

I've literally hard far, FAR more people crying about this song being banned than people actually wanting this song banned.

You don't complain when you get your way.
Unless you are Donald Trump.
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mario2000 posted...

lightwarrior78 posted...

mario2000 posted...

Trelve posted...

Heineken14 posted...

I've literally hard far, FAR more people crying about this song being banned than people actually wanting this song banned.

It's almost as if people are outraged that one of their favourite Christmas songs is going to be banned for no good reason.

because certain radio stations choosing not to play it anymore means it's "banned"

because there is no other way to listen to music of your choosing in this day and age

Things like this are why these things blow up. The onus is always on the non-offended to change, give up, or go through extra trouble for the benefit of the offended. The onus is never on the offended to change the damn radio station themselves. People get tired of having to change their lives, thoughts, and enjoyments because a minority, one that may just be looking for things to be upset about, say 2 words: that's offensive.

I take it you would be fine with still having separate water fountains.

Unfair comparison. Even proponents of that wouldn't argue it isn't about race. Shit like this continues because people stick their fingers in their ears when someone says "original context says you're wrong and being oversensitive about it".

And for the record, I'm over 40, so I remember a time when "that's offensive" killed a lot of LGBT inclusion and representation in media when it was offending "good Christians", and it pissed me off then. If I was older I'd probably remember single mothers, interracial relationships and more being suppressed for being "offensive" to the ruling power. I hate moral busybodies trying to control the populace through media. That doesn't stop for me because the moral busybodies have changed, while others seem to be fine, so long as they agree with the side doing the controlling.
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PhazonReborn posted...

BeyondWalls posted...

Im sorry, in a year marred with high profile rape allegations and sexual assaults, can we not go one Christmas without the rapey-ist Christmas song of all time?

Where do you stand on non-Christmas music, such as Gangsta Rap that also contain the same subject matter?

Where are the people angry about those songs?

This confuses me. Are pop radio stations really playing a lot of gangsta rap about sexual abuse these days?

Dash_Harber posted...

PhazonReborn posted...

BeyondWalls posted...

Im sorry, in a year marred with high profile rape allegations and sexual assaults, can we not go one Christmas without the rapey-ist Christmas song of all time?

Where do you stand on non-Christmas music, such as Gangsta Rap that also contain the same subject matter?

Where are the people angry about those songs?

This confuses me. Are pop radio stations really playing a lot of gangsta rap about sexual abuse these days?

I don't know. Think about lyrics like

Every breath you take
Every move you make
Every bond you break
Every step you take
I'll be watching you.

I can't hear that song without riffing "but stalking is illegal". But it plays on contemporary radio all the time.
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Heineken14 posted...

I've literally hard far, FAR more people crying about this song being banned than people actually wanting this song banned.

Because the places that it's actually being banned at are very very small in number. I've been hearing it on grocery store and department store radios and eveywhere else i usually hear it this month.

This is one of those things where conservatives try to scare everyone about something that's scarcely happening at all
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