Current Events > William Shatner battles with fans over defense of 'Baby It's Cold Outside'

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Dash_Harber 12/12/18 4:48:23 PM #51:	lightwarrior78 posted... Dash_Harber posted... PhazonReborn posted... BeyondWalls posted... Im sorry, in a year marred with high profile rape allegations and sexual assaults, can we not go one Christmas without the rapey-ist Christmas song of all time? Where do you stand on non-Christmas music, such as Gangsta Rap that also contain the same subject matter? Where are the people angry about those songs? This confuses me. Are pop radio stations really playing a lot of gangsta rap about sexual abuse these days? I don't know. Think about lyrics like Every breath you take Every move you make Every bond you break Every step you take I'll be watching you. I can't hear that song without riffing "but stalking is illegal". But it plays on contemporary radio all the time. But the song is about stalking ... <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:914016418] in William Sh... [t:77295130]...</cite> <quote><cite>lightwarrior78 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PhazonReborn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BeyondWalls posted...</cite> <quote>Im sorry, in a year marred with high profile rape allegations and sexual assaults, can we not go one Christmas without the rapey-ist Christmas song of all time?</quote> Where do you stand on non-Christmas music, such as Gangsta Rap that also contain the same subject matter? Where are the people angry about those songs?</quote> This confuses me. Are pop radio stations really playing a lot of gangsta rap about sexual abuse these days?</quote> I don't know. Think about lyrics like Every breath you take Every move you make Every bond you break Every step you take I'll be watching you. I can't hear that song without riffing "but stalking is illegal". But it plays on contemporary radio all the time.</quote> But the song is about stalking ...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marthsheretoo 12/12/18 4:56:17 PM #52:	Future generations are gonna be really weirded out by Baby It's Cold Outside. We'll have to explain to them that to properly contextualize the song, you have to look at when it was written. You see, back when it was written, ~~it actually got cold outside.~~ --- "Even MarthKoopa has jumped on the MarthKoopa hate wagon." -DevsBro <cite>marthsheretoo posted [p:914016883] in William Sh... [t:77295130]...</cite> <quote>Future generations are gonna be really weirded out by Baby It's Cold Outside. We'll have to explain to them that to properly contextualize the song, you have to look at when it was written. You see, back when it was written, it actually got cold outside.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SquirrelyDan 12/12/18 5:01:10 PM #53:	marthsheretoo posted... Future generations are gonna be really weirded out by Baby It's Cold Outside. We'll have to explain to them that to properly contextualize the song, you have to look at when it was written. You see, back when it was written, ~~it actually got cold outside.~~ Oh snap! Not a ~~cold snap,~~ though. --- Rams fan in L.A., then in St. Louis, and in L.A. again Something was said. <cite>SquirrelyDan posted [p:914017156] in William Sh... [t:77295130]...</cite> <quote><cite>marthsheretoo posted...</cite> <quote>Future generations are gonna be really weirded out by Baby It's Cold Outside. We'll have to explain to them that to properly contextualize the song, you have to look at when it was written. You see, back when it was written, it actually got cold outside.</quote> Oh snap! Not a cold snap, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 12/12/18 5:04:04 PM #54:	lightwarrior78 posted... And for the record, I'm over 40, so I remember a time when "that's offensive" killed a lot of LGBT inclusion and representation in media when it was offending "good Christians", and it pissed me off then. If I was older I'd probably remember single mothers, interracial relationships and more being suppressed for being "offensive" to the ruling power. I hate moral busybodies trying to control the populace through media. That doesn't stop for me because the moral busybodies have changed, while others seem to be fine, so long as they agree with the side doing the controlling. there's a very big difference between denying people rights based off of their sexuality and stopping a song because it has rapey connotations in 2018 --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:914017300] in William Sh... [t:77295130]...</cite> <quote><cite>lightwarrior78 posted...</cite> <quote>And for the record, I'm over 40, so I remember a time when "that's offensive" killed a lot of LGBT inclusion and representation in media when it was offending "good Christians", and it pissed me off then. If I was older I'd probably remember single mothers, interracial relationships and more being suppressed for being "offensive" to the ruling power. I hate moral busybodies trying to control the populace through media. That doesn't stop for me because the moral busybodies have changed, while others seem to be fine, so long as they agree with the side doing the controlling.</quote> there's a very big difference between denying people rights based off of their sexuality and stopping a song because it has rapey connotations in 2018</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Behaviorism 12/12/18 5:08:15 PM #55:	This is all internet crap. Every woman I know in real life thinks this controversy and banning is stupid --- #1 Sarah Logan fan <cite>Behaviorism posted [p:914017504] in William Sh... [t:77295130]...</cite> <quote>This is all internet crap. Every woman I know in real life thinks this controversy and banning is stupid</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 12/12/18 5:16:40 PM #56:	BLAKUboy posted... It's not even a good song, I'm not certain why people are so vehemently fighting this. They see it as another way to own the libs. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:914017949] in William Sh... [t:77295130]...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote>It's not even a good song, I'm not certain why people are so vehemently fighting this.</quote> They see it as another way to own the libs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SquirrelyDan 12/12/18 5:22:52 PM #57:	Behaviorism posted... This is all internet crap. Every woman I know in real life thinks this controversy and banning is stupid I actually know a chick who sincerely finds it offensive. I'm about to post that song mocking this outrage to her fb wall. She'll probably think it's how the song should really be sung. --- Rams fan in L.A., then in St. Louis, and in L.A. again Something was said. <cite>SquirrelyDan posted [p:914018265] in William Sh... [t:77295130]...</cite> <quote><cite>Behaviorism posted...</cite> <quote>This is all internet crap. Every woman I know in real life thinks this controversy and banning is stupid</quote> I actually know a chick who sincerely finds it offensive. I'm about to post that song mocking this outrage to her fb wall. She'll probably think it's how the song should really be sung.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 12/12/18 6:20:42 PM #58:	Phantom_Nook posted... BLAKUboy posted... It's not even a good song, I'm not certain why people are so vehemently fighting this. They see it as another way to own the libs. Yeah, entirely. If they had removed it from radio play, not a soul would have noticed, but since someone had the audacity to say they had 'banned' it, it suddenly became a hill to die on. It's more of that 'war on Christmas' bullshit rhetoric. One or two people or groups 'ban' it because either they are going overboard, or it seems like such a non-issue that no on will care, and then these outrage culture junkies come in and start screaming and echoing the same handful of 'news' stories over and over until they've whipped their whole group into a froth-mouthed frenzy about how they are the most persecuted people in the world because somehow this song they never cared about before is somehow the most defining characteristic of their entire culture, either because they are so woefully insecure they think the song is going to be the carrion call of their entire belief system, they don't understand how culture works and evolves, they are heavily into identity politics and will do anything to 'own dem libs!', or they have invested so heavily in this narrative that they are special, snowflake, rebels who are fighting the insurmountable tide of borg-like imperialistic fascists that they have to constantly paint themselves both as victims and as heroic rebels otherwise their entire worldview is compromised. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:914021070] in William Sh... [t:77295130]...</cite> <quote><cite>Phantom_Nook posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote>It's not even a good song, I'm not certain why people are so vehemently fighting this.</quote> They see it as another way to own the libs.</quote> Yeah, entirely. If they had removed it from radio play, not a soul would have noticed, but since someone had the audacity to say they had 'banned' it, it suddenly became a hill to die on. It's more of that 'war on Christmas' bullshit rhetoric. One or two people or groups 'ban' it because either they are going overboard, or it seems like such a non-issue that no on will care, and then these outrage culture junkies come in and start screaming and echoing the same handful of 'news' stories over and over until they've whipped their whole group into a froth-mouthed frenzy about how they are the most persecuted people in the world because somehow this song they never cared about before is somehow the most defining characteristic of their entire culture, either because they are so woefully insecure they think the song is going to be the carrion call of their entire belief system, they don't understand how culture works and evolves, they are heavily into identity politics and will do anything to 'own dem libs!', or they have invested so heavily in this narrative that they are special, snowflake, rebels who are fighting the insurmountable tide of borg-like imperialistic fascists that they have to constantly paint themselves both as victims and as heroic rebels otherwise their entire worldview is compromised.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SquirrelyDan 12/12/18 7:20:47 PM #59:	She hasn't responded yet. --- Rams fan in L.A., then in St. Louis, and in L.A. again Something was said. <cite>SquirrelyDan posted [p:914024094] in William Sh... [t:77295130]...</cite> <quote>She hasn't responded yet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 12/12/18 7:23:21 PM #60:	BeyondWalls posted... Im sorry, in a year marred with high profile rape allegations and sexual assaults, can we not go one Christmas without the rapey-ist Christmas song of all time? There is literally nothing "rapey" about the song. You do know it's about a woman who wants to spend the night, but doesn't think it'd be proper, right? So she's making up bullshit excuses to leave? Like, she doesn't want to leave. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:914024211] in William Sh... [t:77295130]...</cite> <quote><cite>BeyondWalls posted...</cite> <quote>Im sorry, in a year marred with high profile rape allegations and sexual assaults, can we not go one Christmas without the rapey-ist Christmas song of all time?</quote> There is literally nothing "rapey" about the song. You do know it's about a woman who wants to spend the night, but doesn't think it'd be proper, right? So she's making up bullshit excuses to leave? Like, she doesn't want to leave.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 12/12/18 7:24:44 PM #61:	mario2000 posted... I still have yet to find a single person who is actually offended by Rudolph. I've only come across people who claim that there is outrage over Rudolph. Literally the staff at Huffington Post are offended by Rudolph. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rudolph-the-red-nosed-reindeer-disturbing-details_us_5bfe058fe4b0f43bf2661c7f --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:914024278] in William Sh... [t:77295130]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>I still have yet to find a single person who is actually offended by Rudolph. I've only come across people who claim that there is outrage over Rudolph.</quote> Literally the staff at Huffington Post are offended by Rudolph. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rudolph-the-red-nosed-reindeer-disturbing-details_us_5bfe058fe4b0f43bf2661c7f</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 12/12/18 7:26:52 PM #62:	Dash_Harber posted... Zikten posted... I don't care about the confederate flag. I've never even been to the south. my family has no ties to the confederacy and I could give a fuck about southern pride It's a good thing I wasn't addressing you, then, huh? No, you just called anyone who isn't so stupid as to think the song is about rape a racist white supremacist. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:914024386] in William Sh... [t:77295130]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>I don't care about the confederate flag. I've never even been to the south. my family has no ties to the confederacy and I could give a fuck about southern pride</quote> It's a good thing I wasn't addressing you, then, huh?</quote> No, you just called anyone who isn't so stupid as to think the song is about rape a racist white supremacist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inferno Dive Dragoon 12/12/18 7:56:34 PM #63:	lightwarrior78 posted... And for the record, I'm over 40, so I remember a time when "that's offensive" killed a lot of LGBT inclusion and representation in media when it was offending "good Christians", and it pissed me off then. If I was older I'd probably remember single mothers, interracial relationships and more being suppressed for being "offensive" to the ruling power. I hate moral busybodies trying to control the populace through media. That doesn't stop for me because the moral busybodies have changed, while others seem to be fine, so long as they agree with the side doing the controlling. Finally, somebody fucking gets it. Censorship has always been a bane of society, it doesn't matter who is championing it or why. That said, I'm not a fan of the song myself (or a fan of most Christmasy music), but I understand context, so I was confused as hell when people started claiming that the song was "rapey" and wanted it banned. --- Les aristocrates a la lanterne! Les aristocrates on les pendra! <cite>Inferno Dive Dragoon posted [p:914025794] in William Sh... [t:77295130]...</cite> <quote><cite>lightwarrior78 posted...</cite> <quote>And for the record, I'm over 40, so I remember a time when "that's offensive" killed a lot of LGBT inclusion and representation in media when it was offending "good Christians", and it pissed me off then. If I was older I'd probably remember single mothers, interracial relationships and more being suppressed for being "offensive" to the ruling power. I hate moral busybodies trying to control the populace through media. That doesn't stop for me because the moral busybodies have changed, while others seem to be fine, so long as they agree with the side doing the controlling.</quote> Finally, somebody fucking gets it. Censorship has always been a bane of society, it doesn't matter who is championing it or why. That said, I'm not a fan of the song myself (or a fan of most Christmasy music), but I understand context, so I was confused as hell when people started claiming that the song was "rapey" and wanted it banned.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 12/12/18 9:51:46 PM #64:	darkjedilink posted... Dash_Harber posted... Zikten posted... I don't care about the confederate flag. I've never even been to the south. my family has no ties to the confederacy and I could give a fuck about southern pride It's a good thing I wasn't addressing you, then, huh? No, you just called anyone who isn't so stupid as to think the song is about rape a racist white supremacist. Yeah, that's totally what I said. How the fuck did you get that? Did I somehow step on some thin skinned, snowflake hot button or something? <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:914030991] in William Sh... [t:77295130]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>I don't care about the confederate flag. I've never even been to the south. my family has no ties to the confederacy and I could give a fuck about southern pride</quote> It's a good thing I wasn't addressing you, then, huh?</quote> No, you just called anyone who isn't so stupid as to think the song is about rape a racist white supremacist.</quote> Yeah, that's totally what I said. How the fuck did you get that? Did I somehow step on some thin skinned, snowflake hot button or something?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skye Reynolds 12/12/18 10:19:37 PM #65:	voldothegr8 posted... Skye Reynolds posted... Let's not forget that Rudolph apparently encourages bullying even though it's a story about not writing off those who are different. I'm honestly surprised they haven't censored the "you stay in the cave this is man work" line yet. But yeah, the characters who acted like assholes were written like that on purpose, that's the point. Then they all realize they were wrong and grow from it. Every year I watch the special and expect that line to be censored. <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:914032358] in William Sh... [t:77295130]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Skye Reynolds posted...</cite> <quote>Let's not forget that Rudolph apparently encourages bullying even though it's a story about not writing off those who are different.</quote> I'm honestly surprised they haven't censored the "you stay in the cave this is man work" line yet. But yeah, the characters who acted like assholes were written like that on purpose, that's the point. Then they all realize they were wrong and grow from it.</quote> Every year I watch the special and expect that line to be censored.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
B0xxY2J__0s_HBK 12/12/18 10:25:57 PM #66:	Its weird. This story keeps popping up. I dont see anyone who cares one way or another but SJWs keep bringing it up. Then it was Rudolph. And I think one other song but geez. Its Christmas. People should be focusing on holiday cheer and good tidings <cite>B0xxY2J__0s_HBK posted [p:914032652] in William Sh... [t:77295130]...</cite> <quote>Its weird. This story keeps popping up. I dont see anyone who cares one way or another but SJWs keep bringing it up. Then it was Rudolph. And I think one other song but geez. Its Christmas. People should be focusing on holiday cheer and good tidings</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SquirrelyDan 12/12/18 11:46:06 PM #67:	She told me I "might be a rapist and not know it" followed by "lol" and this . Unfriended. --- Rams fan in L.A., then in St. Louis, and in L.A. again Something was said. <cite>SquirrelyDan posted [p:914036423] in William Sh... [t:77295130]...</cite> <quote>She told me I "might be a rapist and not know it" followed by "lol" and this . Unfriended.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jagr_68 12/13/18 12:19:50 AM #68:	Questionmarktarius posted... spudger posted... The former "T.J. Hooker" lead o...kay. That's totally what made Shatner famous, huh? ikr let's fix this, shall we? spudger posted... The former "Boston Legal" lead There we go! --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://imgur.com/BLrKxEd https://card.psnprofiles.com/2/Jaromiroquai68.png <cite>Jagr_68 posted [p:914037810] in William Sh... [t:77295130]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>The former "T.J. Hooker" lead </quote> o...kay. That's totally what made Shatner famous, huh?</quote> ikr let's fix this, shall we? <cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>The former "Boston Legal" lead </quote> There we go! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 12/13/18 12:22:32 AM #69:	Jagr_68 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... spudger posted... The former "T.J. Hooker" lead o...kay. That's totally what made Shatner famous, huh? ikr let's fix this, shall we? spudger posted... The former "Boston Legal" lead There we go! Denny Crane! --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:914037907] in William Sh... [t:77295130]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jagr_68 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>The former "T.J. Hooker" lead </quote> o...kay. That's totally what made Shatner famous, huh?</quote> ikr let's fix this, shall we? <cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>The former "Boston Legal" lead </quote> There we go! </quote> Denny Crane!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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