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ssjevot
11/15/18 5:16:44 AM
#151:


Guide posted...
They might be referring to hormone treatment before puberty? That's the only plausible thing I can think of.


Some relevant differences, such as those in the respiratory, skeletal, and cardiovascular system will still be present even if that occurred.
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11/15/18 5:17:55 AM
#152:


metralo posted...
Athletics is definitely one thing we all need to agree is too impacted by sex-at-birth.
At least when said athletics involve punching someone in the face.
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jumi
11/15/18 5:38:58 AM
#153:


ssjevot posted...
jumi posted...
Kaiganeer posted...
Squall28 posted...
Sports should be separated by sex not gender.

this is what this whole thing boils down to. there are physiological differences between males and females that no amount of hormone therapy or any current treatment will equalize, and that should be recognized and respected in any and every competitive sport


Science doesn't back you up, but your opinion is noted.


Can't tell if trolling:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_human_physiology


Can't tell if trolling:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-09/transgender/9634496
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im not 13
11/15/18 5:44:56 AM
#154:


WhereIsTheLove posted...
No surprise there

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ssjevot
11/15/18 5:50:42 AM
#155:


jumi posted...
ssjevot posted...
jumi posted...
Kaiganeer posted...
Squall28 posted...
Sports should be separated by sex not gender.

this is what this whole thing boils down to. there are physiological differences between males and females that no amount of hormone therapy or any current treatment will equalize, and that should be recognized and respected in any and every competitive sport


Science doesn't back you up, but your opinion is noted.


Can't tell if trolling:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_human_physiology


Can't tell if trolling:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-09/transgender/9634496


Linking to an opinion piece on some website and not addressing the laundry list of scientific studies listed on that Wikipedia page suggests you are trolling.
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Dragonblade01
11/15/18 5:56:49 AM
#156:


The better solution is to recognize that segregating sports through such a simple metric is perhaps not the best method in the first place.
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ssjevot
11/15/18 5:58:54 AM
#157:


Dragonblade01 posted...
The better solution is to recognize that segregating sports through such a simple metric is perhaps not the best method in the first place.


Yep. I am in agreement with this. But also don't support the anti-science radicals that keep trying to say physiology isn't impacted by sex. Which requires some serious disconnects from reality.
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kayoticdreamz
11/15/18 6:01:11 AM
#158:


Anyone that thinks trans women should be competing against women is to blinded by idealogy to have a rational discussion with

Also notice it's never trans men fighting men.

The fact is contrary to idealogy the sexes are different.
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Dragonblade01
11/15/18 6:06:34 AM
#159:


kayoticdreamz posted...
Anyone that thinks trans women should be competing against women is to blinded by idealogy to have a rational discussion with

Also notice it's never trans men fighting men.

The fact is contrary to idealogy the sexes are different.

I don't think it's automatically case that transwomen should never be permitted to compete against ciswomen, so long as regulations are in place to regulate fairness.

ssjevot posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
The better solution is to recognize that segregating sports through such a simple metric is perhaps not the best method in the first place.


Yep. I am in agreement with this. But also don't support the anti-science radicals that keep trying to say physiology isn't impacted by sex. Which requires some serious disconnects from reality.

We could probably use some of the regulations put in place to restrict transgender participation as a baseline for such a system as well, along with regulations seen in other sports (such as weight divisions).
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ssjevot
11/15/18 6:11:28 AM
#160:


Dragonblade01 posted...
We could probably use some of the regulations put in place to restrict transgender participation as a baseline for such a system as well, along with regulations seen in other sports (such as weight divisions).


These are all really good ideas. All these traits land on spectrum. You can think of sex as a factor that changes the probability of you being at a certain place on a spectrum. Let's take the least controversial trait, height. Obviously the average male is taller, but short males and tall females exist. All other traits play out similarly.
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Ilishe
11/15/18 6:18:30 AM
#161:


1337toothbrush posted...
Here's an idea: how about we stop putting so much stock in stupid sports? Playing games should be for fun.


MMA isn't a game.
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lilJoe457
11/15/18 6:25:26 AM
#162:


I guess the whole point is men can be better women than women. Crazy society. Legitimizing mental illness.

Imagine being a black person from back then and having this shit compared to the civil Rights movement? Lmaoooo.
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CyricZ
11/15/18 6:26:44 AM
#163:


This topic should have ended at Post #7, but never underestimate CE's capacity to shit on transgender people.
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Nidhoggr
11/15/18 6:37:56 AM
#164:


CyricZ posted...
This topic should have ended at Post #7, but never underestimate CE's capacity to shit on transgender people.

User Since: Feb 2000

Sounds about right.
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CyricZ
11/15/18 6:58:00 AM
#166:


Nidhoggr posted...
CyricZ posted...
This topic should have ended at Post #7, but never underestimate CE's capacity to shit on transgender people.

User Since: Feb 2000

Sounds about right.

I have a tendency to sound right, unless you'd like to explain what referring to my time here is indicative of.
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gunplagirl
11/15/18 7:03:01 AM
#167:


CyricZ posted...
Nidhoggr posted...
CyricZ posted...
This topic should have ended at Post #7, but never underestimate CE's capacity to shit on transgender people.

User Since: Feb 2000

Sounds about right.

I have a tendency to sound right, unless you'd like to explain what referring to my time here is indicative of.

He thinks you're full of it but don't get modded because your karma is so high
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Nidhoggr
11/15/18 7:04:14 AM
#168:


gunplagirl posted...
CyricZ posted...
Nidhoggr posted...
CyricZ posted...
This topic should have ended at Post #7, but never underestimate CE's capacity to shit on transgender people.

User Since: Feb 2000

Sounds about right.

I have a tendency to sound right, unless you'd like to explain what referring to my time here is indicative of.

He thinks you're full of it but don't get modded because your karma is so high

No, I just don't expect much sense from people who have spent 18 years on GameFAQs lol.
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hotcegaI
11/15/18 7:05:35 AM
#169:


Thank goodness Ronda didn't keep too MMA
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CyricZ
11/15/18 7:10:00 AM
#170:


Nidhoggr posted...
No, I just don't expect much sense from people who have spent 18 years on GameFAQs lol.

I've been here this long because I continue to give to this site.
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Dat_Cracka_Jax
11/15/18 7:13:25 AM
#171:


It's a waste to point out the obvious. Hopefully one day society stops bending over for a vocal minority and does the right thing.
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ColdOne666
11/15/18 7:13:35 AM
#172:


Men shouldn't be able to legally punch females. SJW's are a joke.
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Number090684
11/15/18 7:24:56 AM
#173:


OctilIery posted...
gunplagirl posted...
OctilIery posted...
gunplagirl posted...
This is from 2014

And injuries of this nature are common in fighting sports like MMA

Stop trying to use these extremely rare events as an excuse to validate your hatred of trans women

Dude, I'm LGBT pro, but the simple fact is that, depending on when you transition, you can have Un unfair advantage in sporting events. It isn't hatred, it's an unfortunate necessity.


That same "unfair advantage" bull shit has been brought up when pointing out how most professional athletes in football, basketball, and races (especially endurance ones) are black. And yes, there's differences in bone and muscle density between races, there's this entire specialized field called "forensic anthropology" and that's one of the biggest things you learn in that field.

So no, you aren't pro-lgbt if you're against trans people. You're probably not even pro-lgb.

But surely you know more than the god damned medical and scientific people who ultimately established the guidelines for Olympic participants. And the guidelines Fallon is participating under are stricter than the Olympic ones.

ROFL. No. I'm pro LGBT, but I'm also pro fairness in sports. The differences between races are nowhere near the same as the differences between men and women, and those differences do not go away after transition. That is scientific fact supported by the medical community.

I'm not saying a blanket ban on all transgender contestants needs to happen, but it DOES need to be considered, as there is little difference between letting many biological women participate, and letting men participate.


This. She shouldn't be allowed to fight women. The advantage she has over them is unnatural.
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Amy-Rose
11/15/18 7:25:50 AM
#174:


People get hurt in sports that involve punching one another

Shocker
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CyricZ
11/15/18 7:38:09 AM
#175:


Nobody has a problem with transgender people in sports until they start winning. If trans people would just politely lose every time they compete, then everything would be fine.

Y'know TC also made the topic shitting on furries recently. I'm starting to think he might be a disingenuous poster.
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SchoolForAnts
11/15/18 7:42:51 AM
#176:


Guide posted...
SchoolForAnts posted...
Guide posted...
I'm not watching a long commercial. Skip to the part where it says women are equally as physically capable as men.


*sigh*

You might as well have replied LALALALALA CANT HEAR YOU!


What? If you yourself watched it, then you would know which part says that, right? Why are you cowering so easily?


- I recalled the video and specific hashtag from the past.
- I took the effort to go to YouTube and look for it to show you what I am talking about
- its a short video, its not like its 10 minutes or something

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Nidhoggr
11/15/18 7:43:51 AM
#177:


CyricZ posted...
Nobody has a problem with transgender people in sports until they start winning. If trans people would just politely lose every time they compete, then everything would be fine.

Y'know TC also made the topic shitting on furries recently. I'm starting to think he might be a disingenuous poster.

Just because you mindlessly support everything doesn't make you unique or cool, you know that right? You're not even adding anything to the discussion, you just came in here and started mindlessly defending transgenders. And the fact that you just used "disingenuous" proves that you spend way too much time on CE.

Also furries deserve to be shit on. A furry raped my dog and destroyed his internal organs in the process. There is no way in hell I will never hate them.
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SaithSayer
11/15/18 7:45:13 AM
#178:


nemu posted...
The idea that we need to ignore objective reality to protect people's feelings is so dumb. There is a vast difference between respecting someone's inclinations to live as the opposite sex due to something they cannot control and bending over backwards to affirm it even to the point of ignoring how the world actually works.

Tagged as rational.
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Amy-Rose
11/15/18 7:45:17 AM
#179:


Nidhoggr posted...
CyricZ posted...
Nobody has a problem with transgender people in sports until they start winning. If trans people would just politely lose every time they compete, then everything would be fine.

Y'know TC also made the topic s***ting on furries recently. I'm starting to think he might be a disingenuous poster.

Just because you mindlessly support everything doesn't make you unique or cool, you know that right? You're not even adding anything to the discussion, you just came in here and started mindlessly defending transgenders. And the fact that you just used "disingenuous" proves that you spend way too much time on CE.

Also furries deserve to be s*** on. A furry raped my dog and destroyed his internal organs in the process. There is no way in hell I will never hate them.

A black man once stole my wallet.

I do not hate black people.

If you hate an entire group of people because of one person, the issue lies with you
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SchoolForAnts
11/15/18 7:47:25 AM
#180:


So, how do you feel about this?

- UFC fights
- more granular weight classes
- men and women in the same division but groin strikes are allowed

So you could see fighting somebody like Ronda (before she retired) or Holly Holm fighting a guy, but the guy has to weight the same or less, but the guy can be kicked/kneed in the groin too. Women too, but it is nowhere near as devastating lol.

Fair?
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Nidhoggr
11/15/18 7:48:24 AM
#181:


Amy-Rose posted...
Nidhoggr posted...
CyricZ posted...
Nobody has a problem with transgender people in sports until they start winning. If trans people would just politely lose every time they compete, then everything would be fine.

Y'know TC also made the topic s***ting on furries recently. I'm starting to think he might be a disingenuous poster.

Just because you mindlessly support everything doesn't make you unique or cool, you know that right? You're not even adding anything to the discussion, you just came in here and started mindlessly defending transgenders. And the fact that you just used "disingenuous" proves that you spend way too much time on CE.

Also furries deserve to be s*** on. A furry raped my dog and destroyed his internal organs in the process. There is no way in hell I will never hate them.

A black man once stole my wallet.

I do not hate black people.

If you hate an entire group of people because of one person, the issue lies with you

Except that on many occasions furries have proven to be sexual deviants of all kinds. If you want proof I can link you to many videos and articles in private message. Don't feel like filling the thread up with it.
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SaithSayer
11/15/18 7:49:20 AM
#182:


You're arguing about furries with someone that has a SONIC name. Why waste your time?
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Amy-Rose
11/15/18 7:50:15 AM
#183:


Nidhoggr posted...
Amy-Rose posted...
Nidhoggr posted...
CyricZ posted...
Nobody has a problem with transgender people in sports until they start winning. If trans people would just politely lose every time they compete, then everything would be fine.

Y'know TC also made the topic s***ting on furries recently. I'm starting to think he might be a disingenuous poster.

Just because you mindlessly support everything doesn't make you unique or cool, you know that right? You're not even adding anything to the discussion, you just came in here and started mindlessly defending transgenders. And the fact that you just used "disingenuous" proves that you spend way too much time on CE.

Also furries deserve to be s*** on. A furry raped my dog and destroyed his internal organs in the process. There is no way in hell I will never hate them.

A black man once stole my wallet.

I do not hate black people.

If you hate an entire group of people because of one person, the issue lies with you

Except that on many occasions furries have proven to be sexual deviants of all kinds. If you want proof I can link you to many videos and articles in private message. Don't feel like filling the thread up with it.

And on many occasions white people have shown to commit mass murder. Doesn't mean someone deserves the hate just for being white
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Nidhoggr
11/15/18 7:50:29 AM
#184:


SaithSayer posted...
You're arguing about furries with someone that has a SONIC name. Why waste your time?

You're right. I'm just re-living my dogs death by talking to those freaks anyways.
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Amy-Rose
11/15/18 7:52:04 AM
#185:


Nidhoggr posted...
SaithSayer posted...
You're arguing about furries with someone that has a SONIC name. Why waste your time?

You're right. I'm just re-living my dogs death by talking to those freaks anyways.

I used to think you were better than this, Pipo.
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SaithSayer
11/15/18 8:01:51 AM
#186:


Nidhoggr posted...
SaithSayer posted...
You're arguing about furries with someone that has a SONIC name. Why waste your time?

You're right. I'm just re-living my dogs death by talking to those freaks anyways.

I don't see how you didn't react in a way that would put you in prison. I sure as fuck would've.
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Nidhoggr
11/15/18 8:17:01 AM
#187:


SaithSayer posted...
Nidhoggr posted...
SaithSayer posted...
You're arguing about furries with someone that has a SONIC name. Why waste your time?

You're right. I'm just re-living my dogs death by talking to those freaks anyways.

I don't see how you didn't react in a way that would put you in prison. I sure as fuck would've.

It was because I didn't know what happened at first. I left my dog with my friend while my family and I went on a trip. I knew this guy for many years and I knew he was a furry but at the time I thought they just liked to dress up in animal costumes.

When we got back I went to pick up my dog and he's just laying on the ground with blood coming out of his anus. My friend is acting like he doesn't know what happened so all I did was rush my dog to the vet. He was a small chihuahua so when my friend raped my dog he damaged a lot of internal organs and my dog didn't make it. The veterinarian accused me of harming my dog when they told me that something was forcefully inserted in his anus repeatedly. That's when I knew. I immediately drove nearly 100mph back to his house and I was going to literally kill him. But the doors were locked and his car was gone. Since he was gone for so long I managed to cool off (slightly) and call the cops instead. Unfortunately no one gives a shit about animals so not much happened legally. But I damn made sure everyone he goddamn knew found out about this. Even his fucking parents and siblings.
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SaithSayer
11/15/18 8:18:38 AM
#188:


How did his family react?
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Nidhoggr
11/15/18 8:21:46 AM
#189:


SaithSayer posted...
How did his family react?

His parents didn't want to believe it at first. They figured I was just trying to cause drama. His siblings believed me pretty easily. I guess they had incidents with him bringing home furry friends in the past when they all still lived together.

Last I heard he isn't invited to any family gatherings because they can't help but see a dog rapist when they look at him.
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SaithSayer
11/15/18 8:23:38 AM
#190:


Nidhoggr posted...
SaithSayer posted...
How did his family react?

His parents didn't want to believe it at first. They figured I was just trying to cause drama. His siblings believed me pretty easily. I guess they had incidents with him bringing home furry friends in the past when they all still lived together.

Last I heard he isn't invited to any family gatherings because they can't help but see a dog rapist when they look at him.

I like that better than the idea of him being dead.
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CyricZ
11/15/18 8:23:47 AM
#191:


SaithSayer posted...
I don't see how you didn't react in a way that would put you in prison. I sure as fuck would've.

Tagging people as "rational".

Admits they would commit a violent crime if angry enough.

Nidhoggr posted...
Just because you mindlessly support everything doesn't make you unique or cool, you know that right? You're not even adding anything to the discussion, you just came in here and started mindlessly defending transgenders.

I have no desire to be unique or cool on CE. Pushing 40, I feel I am well past the age where I could appeal to what this crew thinks is cool. I support transgender people because I'm not an asshole, and I'm just looking to input my opinion. Furthermore, I hardly think my opinion is "mindless", whatever you think that means in this context.

I was very clearly backing gunplagirl's post where she stated that this was a four year old article, meaning it's not a current issue, and furthermore that injuries do happen in MMA fights. Fallon Fox hasn't even fought since 2014.

Also, I call out CE more-or-less across the board for its dislike and distrust of transgender people in general.

I agree with what gunplagirl said on that as well: people who make these kinds of arguments are not actually pro-LGBT. They're apathetic at best and don't have a good argument otherwise until the topic of sports comes up. Then at that point, there's no desire to look into what goes into making sports as fair as possible so transgender people can compete. They're the same people that say that people should be able to refuse service because their customers are gay, or that gender transition shouldn't happen until after 18 because "kids are stupid and don't know what they want".

They have their own ingrained biases, refuse knowledge from actual LGBT people, and then you get these topics. It's been happening for years. That's something you learn having been here this long.

And the fact that you just used "disingenuous" proves that you spend way too much time on CE.

God forbid I use an English word in its proper context. For what reason would TC have to bring up a years old topic, and then refuse to participate thereafter? Heck, we can make another topic about that transgender Canadian cyclist winning last month and it'd be at least more current.

And I'm sorry I triggered you by bringing up furries. Clearly you kinda lose it at that point.
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VectorChaos
11/15/18 8:26:20 AM
#192:


Denying science is supposed to be a religious conservative thing. What's with the regressive left and stealing every gimmick the religious right they hate so much has?
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Bass_X0
11/15/18 8:27:04 AM
#193:


Id imagine that men hit harder than women whether the man identifies as a female or not.

A womans mind with a mans fists still hits like a man.
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pinky0926
11/15/18 8:27:45 AM
#194:


This is a terrible example to push any political discussion because horrific injuries in MMA are absurdly common. May as well say russians should be banned from boxing because of any number of injuries they've caused.

That said I also think this is a really...difficult subject. When FTM trans athletes outperform biological women by a comical degree in so many sports...
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SaithSayer
11/15/18 8:28:38 AM
#195:


Claims to be nearly 40.

Uses the word triggered the way kids do.

Either stop lying about your age or stop keeping up with slang way past the point that you should care to. lol
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Nidhoggr
11/15/18 8:30:16 AM
#196:


SaithSayer posted...
Claims to be nearly 40.

Uses the word triggered the way kids do.

Either stop lying about your age or stop keeping up with slang way past the point that you should care to. lol

He may have been unironically using triggered and actually apologizing considering how much of an actual SJW he's proving to be lol.
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SaithSayer
11/15/18 8:32:55 AM
#198:


Yeah but triggered as "made angry/upset" is still kid slang whether you're being a smartass or not.
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CyricZ
11/15/18 8:35:24 AM
#200:


pinky0926 posted...
When FTM trans athletes outperform biological women by a comical degree in so many sports...

Gonna assume you meant MTF on that one, but here's the thing. You say "to a comical degree". I'm really hoping you have support on that. Of course, we hear about it when a transwoman wins a sports competition, because it means we start the argument again. Nobody ever reports in the news about transwomen not winning a competition.

The question at that point is: are the people running the sporting event taking into account the history of the transwoman? Take the recent cycling competition which the Canadian transwoman won. She had to go through a series of testosterone blocking treatments before she was allowed to compete. Prior to her win, she lost in similar cycling competitions eleven times to a woman she finally ended up beating. At that point, can you really say she had a "natural physiological advantage"?

Also, the Olympics have their own rules on allowing transgender people to compete as well, in the interest of fairness.

The fact that there are so many people who rush to the conclusion of "a man in a wig beating women" is what gets my goat about the argument. They just assume that there are no preparations or accommodations made and that no one thinks before putting a transwoman in their sports competition.
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Trigg3rH4ppy
11/15/18 9:07:22 AM
#201:


Naturally born female mma fighters need to all agree to just refuse to fight trans fighters. Yeah the trans fighters will "win" by forfeit, but nobody wants to pay to watch people forfeit fights, and then UFC/etc WILL separate them if everyone just keeps forfeiting every match and not allowing these trans fighters to actually fight.

It would be awesome if there were enough trans fighters to give them their own division.
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Raven025
11/15/18 9:11:30 AM
#202:


LOL that is awesome, men should just turn into women, and beat women at their sports and then rub it in their faces
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Trigg3rH4ppy
11/15/18 9:16:01 AM
#203:


Raven025 posted...
LOL that is awesome, men should just turn into women, and beat women at their sports and then rub it in their faces

You sound like the person from the article

Ashley McGuire said:

Twenty years ago, if a man hit a woman so hard that he sent her to the hospital, hed be in prison. Now he can get paid for it.

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