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AlephZero 11/12/18 10:50:10 AM #51:	DuneMan posted... If the weapons had their ballistics profiles on record at the time of their initial sale Not sure what this has to do with anything. As far as I know "ballistic profiling" has never been used to solve a crime. Maryland for example scrapped their ballistic fingerprinting program because it was costing them millions for no benefit. https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-bullet-casings-20151107-story.html DuneMan posted... along with information about the initial buyer This is already the case. Every new gun sold in the US has an associated 4473 on file with the original buyer's information. --- "life is overrated" - Seiichi Omori 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:912269752] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuneMan posted...</cite> <quote> If the weapons had their ballistics profiles on record at the time of their initial sale</quote> Not sure what this has to do with anything. As far as I know "ballistic profiling" has never been used to solve a crime. Maryland for example scrapped their ballistic fingerprinting program because it was costing them millions for no benefit. https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-bullet-casings-20151107-story.html <cite>DuneMan posted...</cite> <quote>along with information about the initial buyer</quote> This is already the case. Every new gun sold in the US has an associated 4473 on file with the original buyer's information.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 11/12/18 11:04:32 AM #53:	Polycosm posted... I believe that DC v. Heller was correctly decided and that the only role the federal government should play from here on out is directing research. I agree, and I am a proponent of gun control measures. This is admittedly one of my most paternal beliefs, too. The primary group I think that we could save is the most controversial -- suicides. The evidence is pretty good that permit to purchase laws reduce gun homicides, but the evidence on overall homicide rates are more mixed. There's no question that the suicide rate goes down in response to permit to purchase laws passing, though. This isn't the central concern for most proponents of gun control. I think that most of the kind of gun crime they want to prevent, like mass shootings, would be really hard to deal with using gun control and would require draconian measures that I wouldn't support. --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:912270407] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote><cite>Polycosm posted...</cite> <quote>I believe that DC v. Heller was correctly decided and that the only role the federal government should play from here on out is directing research.</quote> I agree, and I am a proponent of gun control measures. This is admittedly one of my most paternal beliefs, too. The primary group I think that we could save is the most controversial -- suicides. The evidence is pretty good that permit to purchase laws reduce gun homicides, but the evidence on overall homicide rates are more mixed. There's no question that the suicide rate goes down in response to permit to purchase laws passing, though. This isn't the central concern for most proponents of gun control. I think that most of the kind of gun crime they want to prevent, like mass shootings, would be really hard to deal with using gun control and would require draconian measures that I wouldn't support.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DuneMan 11/12/18 11:08:25 AM #54:	Paragon21XX posted... now many anti-gun groups are talking about banning semi-automatic weapons next. That I don't see happening. If they did that there would be a Red Tsunami in Washington where Republicans would get 80% of the popular vote. One fact often overlooked is that a number of liberals enjoy guns as well. As for the ballistics profiling and record of sales it needs to extend beyond the person who initially purchases a weapon at a shop. So for example, if a person takes a gun from their brother and shoots someone with it the police can go straight to the brother and grill him about his firearm being used in a first degree murder. Right now, looking at things from a top level perspective, the US has millions of guns circulating without oversight. We don't even have electronic records. People have to effectively sift through filing cabinets by hand to look for stuff. GregShmedley posted... Not even close. A foregrip has nothing to do with the rate of fire or capacity. The second part is true, the first part is not. Foregrips are designed to maintain accuracy while firing at a rapid rate. They're not needed for sport shooting or personal defense. Their purpose is in assaulting an interior space; or if you want to spin it a different way in fending off a full scale assault in that same interior space. --- "I'd rather betray the world than let the world betray me." -Cao Cao <cite>DuneMan posted [p:912270578] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote>now many anti-gun groups are talking about banning semi-automatic weapons next.</quote> That I don't see happening. If they did that there would be a Red Tsunami in Washington where Republicans would get 80% of the popular vote. One fact often overlooked is that a number of liberals enjoy guns as well. As for the ballistics profiling and record of sales it needs to extend beyond the person who initially purchases a weapon at a shop. So for example, if a person takes a gun from their brother and shoots someone with it the police can go straight to the brother and grill him about his firearm being used in a first degree murder. Right now, looking at things from a top level perspective, the US has millions of guns circulating without oversight. We don't even have electronic records. People have to effectively sift through filing cabinets by hand to look for stuff. <cite>GregShmedley posted...</cite> <quote>Not even close. A foregrip has nothing to do with the rate of fire or capacity. </quote> The second part is true, the first part is not. Foregrips are designed to maintain accuracy while firing at a rapid rate. They're not needed for sport shooting or personal defense. Their purpose is in assaulting an interior space; or if you want to spin it a different way in fending off a full scale assault in that same interior space.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DuneMan 11/12/18 11:16:39 AM #56:	GregShmedley posted... You act like there aren't instances of multiple attackers. An autoload shotgun will serve you well there. And, just to clarify, the main point in potential bans of stuff is limit the rate at which people are killed in mass shooting events. Sure, a shooter can carry ten 10-round magazines, but they aren't going to be killing a dozen people when they have to reload every 6-12 seconds. --- "I'd rather betray the world than let the world betray me." -Cao Cao <cite>DuneMan posted [p:912270944] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote><cite>GregShmedley posted...</cite> <quote>You act like there aren't instances of multiple attackers.</quote> An autoload shotgun will serve you well there. And, just to clarify, the main point in potential bans of stuff is limit the rate at which people are killed in mass shooting events. Sure, a shooter can carry ten 10-round magazines, but they aren't going to be killing a dozen people when they have to reload every 6-12 seconds.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DuneMan 11/12/18 11:30:14 AM #58:	GregShmedley posted... (unless we are talking about a bear or something). Maybe if your shotgun has a slug loaded. Pellets do little else other than stun a bear and piss it off even more. Youtube has some fun videos of that... GregShmedley posted... Why are we trying to MAYBE reduce death counts in mass shootings by taking measures thay impact law abiding citizens? Ideally those measures would be done in conjunction with other methods, like shoring up mental health research and treatment. But you're going to have a hard time convincing some people about why you want a 30-round magazine on your weapon when weapons are featured practically every week in the US as part of a mass shooting. If gun crime drops then I'm sure legislators from conservative states will seek to do away with restrictions. --- "I'd rather betray the world than let the world betray me." -Cao Cao <cite>DuneMan posted [p:912271541] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote><cite>GregShmedley posted...</cite> <quote> (unless we are talking about a bear or something).</quote> Maybe if your shotgun has a slug loaded. Pellets do little else other than stun a bear and piss it off even more. Youtube has some fun videos of that... <cite>GregShmedley posted...</cite> <quote>Why are we trying to MAYBE reduce death counts in mass shootings by taking measures thay impact law abiding citizens?</quote> Ideally those measures would be done in conjunction with other methods, like shoring up mental health research and treatment. But you're going to have a hard time convincing some people about why you want a 30-round magazine on your weapon when weapons are featured practically every week in the US as part of a mass shooting. If gun crime drops then I'm sure legislators from conservative states will seek to do away with restrictions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 11/12/18 11:33:00 AM #59:	Let's try an easy one, if we can't find a compromise here, there's nothing. Bump fire stocks. They serve the purpose of skirting the machine gun ban ie bypassing established law, while making a weapon less reliable and less controllable. (More dangerous at the range/home and better for volleying lead into throngs of people. They're hillbilly toys that would endanger your neighbors/kids if you had to use one in self defense. BFS2019, a bill that bans them, pre-2019 one's are grandfathered in (if you own one you'll be able to make a shitload selling it as a NFA item), and just to throw a wrench into the works, the bill also removes sales tax (yes I know this is a state thing, shush) on FMJ, wadcutter, and other target ammo. Does CE pass this bill? (And are you general pro 2A or generally against?) --- It's okay to be white. <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:912271683] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote>Let's try an easy one, if we can't find a compromise here, there's nothing. Bump fire stocks. They serve the purpose of skirting the machine gun ban ie bypassing established law, while making a weapon less reliable and less controllable. (More dangerous at the range/home and better for volleying lead into throngs of people. They're hillbilly toys that would endanger your neighbors/kids if you had to use one in self defense. BFS2019, a bill that bans them, pre-2019 one's are grandfathered in (if you own one you'll be able to make a shitload selling it as a NFA item), and just to throw a wrench into the works, the bill also removes sales tax (yes I know this is a state thing, shush) on FMJ, wadcutter, and other target ammo. Does CE pass this bill? (And are you general pro 2A or generally against?)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlephZero 11/12/18 11:33:51 AM #60:	Add bump stocks to the machine gun registry, but re-open the machine gun registry. --- "life is overrated" - Seiichi Omori 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:912271724] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote>Add bump stocks to the machine gun registry, but re-open the machine gun registry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/12/18 11:34:36 AM #61:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Let's try an easy one, if we can't find a compromise here, there's nothing. Bump fire stocks. They serve the purpose of skirting the machine gun ban ie bypassing established law, while making a weapon less reliable and less controllable. (More dangerous at the range/home and better for volleying lead into throngs of people. They're hillbilly toys that would endanger your neighbors/kids if you had to use one in self defense. BFS2019, a bill that bans them, pre-2019 one's are grandfathered in (if you own one you'll be able to make a shitload selling it as a NFA item), and just to throw a wrench into the works, the bill also removes sales tax (yes I know this is a state thing, shush) on FMJ, wadcutter, and other target ammo. Does CE pass this bill? (And are you general pro 2A or generally against?) Honestly, I'd probably vote against that. Seems easy to replicate the effect without the product and I don't know that it would do anything meaningful (whereas a reduction in revenues from a sales tax cut will be negatively felt some where) for my 2a stance I guess see my first post above --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:912271750] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Let's try an easy one, if we can't find a compromise here, there's nothing. Bump fire stocks. They serve the purpose of skirting the machine gun ban ie bypassing established law, while making a weapon less reliable and less controllable. (More dangerous at the range/home and better for volleying lead into throngs of people. They're hillbilly toys that would endanger your neighbors/kids if you had to use one in self defense. BFS2019, a bill that bans them, pre-2019 one's are grandfathered in (if you own one you'll be able to make a shitload selling it as a NFA item), and just to throw a wrench into the works, the bill also removes sales tax (yes I know this is a state thing, shush) on FMJ, wadcutter, and other target ammo. Does CE pass this bill? (And are you general pro 2A or generally against?)</quote> Honestly, I'd probably vote against that. Seems easy to replicate the effect without the product and I don't know that it would do anything meaningful (whereas a reduction in revenues from a sales tax cut will be negatively felt some where) for my 2a stance I guess see my first post above</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anarchy_Juiblex 11/12/18 11:40:43 AM #63:	Balrog0 posted... Honestly, I'd probably vote against that. Seems easy to replicate the effect without the product Not really, bump fire stocks are way closer to full auto than they are bump firing in terms of control. That shit is a novelty trick and useless. and I don't know that it would do anything meaningful Well the Vegas shooter used BFSs and obviously his strategy was simply numbers. --- It's okay to be white. <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:912272045] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly, I'd probably vote against that. Seems easy to replicate the effect without the product</quote> Not really, bump fire stocks are way closer to full auto than they are bump firing in terms of control. That shit is a novelty trick and useless. <quote>and I don't know that it would do anything meaningful </quote> Well the Vegas shooter used BFSs and obviously his strategy was simply numbers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/12/18 11:43:59 AM #64:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Not really, bump fire stocks are way closer to full auto than they are bump firing in terms of control. That shit is a novelty trick and useless ... Well the Vegas shooter used BFSs and obviously his strategy was simply numbers. So is that really a meaningful difference in the case of something like the Vegas shooter, given his strategy relied on spread and not on precision? --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:912272188] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Not really, bump fire stocks are way closer to full auto than they are bump firing in terms of control. That shit is a novelty trick and useless ... Well the Vegas shooter used BFSs and obviously his strategy was simply numbers. </quote> So is that really a meaningful difference in the case of something like the Vegas shooter, given his strategy relied on spread and not on precision?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DuneMan 11/12/18 11:44:20 AM #65:	GregShmedley posted... Are we arguing why a 30 round magazine should or shouldn't be banned or are we debating about convincing others? They're intertwined in a sense. If you want 30 round magazines you're going to have to convince people about why you should have them. But it's also something of a tangent. Guns are so prolific, and many of them sort of float about loosely in private hands will little oversight, that people use it as a fire line to deny any form of gun control. --- "I'd rather betray the world than let the world betray me." -Cao Cao <cite>DuneMan posted [p:912272205] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote><cite>GregShmedley posted...</cite> <quote> Are we arguing why a 30 round magazine should or shouldn't be banned or are we debating about convincing others?</quote> They're intertwined in a sense. If you want 30 round magazines you're going to have to convince people about why you should have them. But it's also something of a tangent. Guns are so prolific, and many of them sort of float about loosely in private hands will little oversight, that people use it as a fire line to deny any form of gun control.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
545x39 11/12/18 11:44:32 AM #66:	Repeal the NFA, repeal the 68 GCA. Moldy labia. --- Freya weeps upon her golden throne. https://i.imgtc.com/SvoKCYr.jpg <cite>545x39 posted [p:912272212] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote>Repeal the NFA, repeal the 68 GCA. Moldy labia.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlephZero 11/12/18 11:44:57 AM #67:	HPA when --- "life is overrated" - Seiichi Omori 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:912272236] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote>HPA when</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
545x39 11/12/18 11:45:34 AM #68:	AlephZero posted... HPA when Never. --- Freya weeps upon her golden throne. https://i.imgtc.com/SvoKCYr.jpg <cite>545x39 posted [p:912272274] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>HPA when</quote> Never.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 11/12/18 11:48:24 AM #69:	Balrog0 posted... So is that really a meaningful difference in the case of something like the Vegas shooter, given his strategy relied on spread and not on precision? Yes, evidently he thought so as he chose his tools accordingly. Again, bump firing is NOT comparable to bump fire stocks. --- It's okay to be white. <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:912272418] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>So is that really a meaningful difference in the case of something like the Vegas shooter, given his strategy relied on spread and not on precision?</quote> Yes, evidently he thought so as he chose his tools accordingly. Again, bump firing is NOT comparable to bump fire stocks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/12/18 11:50:05 AM #70:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Yes, evidently he thought so as he chose his tools accordingly. idk, can't you argue a lot of things on this basis? i.e., if they use a high capacity magazine, does that mean a high capacity magazine ban is justified? Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Again, bump firing is NOT comparable to bump fire stocks. I'm not claiming to be an expert, that's why I'm asking. I'd believe there is a difference; is it really that meaningful? Can you be more specific than just restating the claim that it is different? What about some kind of quantifiable impact? --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:912272496] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, evidently he thought so as he chose his tools accordingly. </quote> idk, can't you argue a lot of things on this basis? i.e., if they use a high capacity magazine, does that mean a high capacity magazine ban is justified? <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Again, bump firing is NOT comparable to bump fire stocks. </quote> I'm not claiming to be an expert, that's why I'm asking. I'd believe there is a difference; is it really that meaningful? Can you be more specific than just restating the claim that it is different? What about some kind of quantifiable impact?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wiiking96 11/12/18 11:50:31 AM #71:	Somewhat controversial opinion: I think that most police officers shouldn't be permitted to carry firearms. Police should be equipped with more nonlethal tools capable of safely incapacitating criminals. Guns should only be permitted to be used by specially trained law enforcement individuals who go through rigorous physiological evaluations and are given the specific obligation to "Protect and Serve the Lives and Rights of Citizens". --- The fight for Net Neutrality is still not over! If you care about the modern state of the internet, then please take action to protect Net Neutrality! <cite>wiiking96 posted [p:912272517] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote>Somewhat controversial opinion: I think that most police officers shouldn't be permitted to carry firearms. Police should be equipped with more nonlethal tools capable of safely incapacitating criminals. Guns should only be permitted to be used by specially trained law enforcement individuals who go through rigorous physiological evaluations and are given the specific obligation to "Protect and Serve the Lives and Rights of Citizens".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlephZero 11/12/18 11:52:58 AM #72:	Per the Supreme Court, the police in general do not have an obligation to protect and serve the lives and rights of citizens. They exist to clean up the mess after a crime is over and investigate and maybe solve crimes. --- "life is overrated" - Seiichi Omori 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:912272627] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote>Per the Supreme Court, the police in general do not have an obligation to protect and serve the lives and rights of citizens. They exist to clean up the mess after a crime is over and investigate and maybe solve crimes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 11/12/18 11:55:53 AM #73:	AlephZero posted... Add bump stocks to the machine gun registry, but re-open the machine gun registry. Making bump stocks an NFA-class item is not a bad idea, and I don't see why we shouldn't reopen the machine gun registry considering that the Hughes amendment was added to FOPA through dishonest means to begin with (Rangel-D held a voice vote on the inclusion of the amendment and blatantly ignored pleas to have a formal count instead). --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:912272761] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>Add bump stocks to the machine gun registry, but re-open the machine gun registry.</quote> Making bump stocks an NFA-class item is not a bad idea, and I don't see why we shouldn't reopen the machine gun registry considering that the Hughes amendment was added to FOPA through dishonest means to begin with (Rangel-D held a voice vote on the inclusion of the amendment and blatantly ignored pleas to have a formal count instead).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wiiking96 11/12/18 11:56:37 AM #74:	AlephZero posted... Per the Supreme Court, the police in general do not have an obligation to protect and serve the lives and rights of citizens. They exist to clean up the mess and investigate and maybe solve crimes. Which is why I'm suggesting there be a separate law enforcement branch that exists for the specific purpose to Protect and Serve. --- The fight for Net Neutrality is still not over! If you care about the modern state of the internet, then please take action to protect Net Neutrality! <cite>wiiking96 posted [p:912272793] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>Per the Supreme Court, the police in general do not have an obligation to protect and serve the lives and rights of citizens. They exist to clean up the mess and investigate and maybe solve crimes.</quote> Which is why I'm suggesting there be a separate law enforcement branch that exists for the specific purpose to Protect and Serve.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 11/12/18 11:56:52 AM #75:	wiiking96 posted... Somewhat controversial opinion: That's because your terrible opinion would basically get all of these officers killed . . . https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXMYxKMh3prxnM_4kYZuB3g/videos Hundreds and hundreds of justified shootings. So, we should sacrifice hundreds of officers to save a couple innocent people each year? --- It's okay to be white. <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:912272808] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote><cite>wiiking96 posted...</cite> <quote>Somewhat controversial opinion:</quote> That's because your terrible opinion would basically get all of these officers killed . . . https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXMYxKMh3prxnM_4kYZuB3g/videos Hundreds and hundreds of justified shootings. So, we should sacrifice hundreds of officers to save a couple innocent people each year?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cj_WlLL_VVlN 11/12/18 11:56:55 AM #76:	The 2nd amendment is my gun permit and any gun law is an infringement. Molon Labe --- The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows. <cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted [p:912272809] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote>The 2nd amendment is my gun permit and any gun law is an infringement. Molon Labe</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 11/12/18 12:06:10 PM #77:	wiiking96 posted... Somewhat controversial opinion: I think that most police officers shouldn't be permitted to carry firearms. Police should be equipped with more nonlethal tools capable of safely incapacitating criminals. Guns should only be permitted to be used by specially trained law enforcement individuals who go through rigorous physiological evaluations and are given the specific obligation to "Protect and Serve the Lives and Rights of Citizens". big problem with that. we aren't brittan or any other country with actual gun laws restricting citizens from buying an arsenal with little oversight. all it would lead to is a bunch of dead cops, a drop off in cop enrollment, and general anarchy. --- People die when they are killed. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:912273264] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote><cite>wiiking96 posted...</cite> <quote>Somewhat controversial opinion: I think that most police officers shouldn't be permitted to carry firearms. Police should be equipped with more nonlethal tools capable of safely incapacitating criminals. Guns should only be permitted to be used by specially trained law enforcement individuals who go through rigorous physiological evaluations and are given the specific obligation to "Protect and Serve the Lives and Rights of Citizens".</quote> big problem with that. we aren't brittan or any other country with actual gun laws restricting citizens from buying an arsenal with little oversight. all it would lead to is a bunch of dead cops, a drop off in cop enrollment, and general anarchy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wiiking96 11/12/18 1:05:32 PM #78:	monkmith posted... wiiking96 posted... Somewhat controversial opinion: I think that most police officers shouldn't be permitted to carry firearms. Police should be equipped with more nonlethal tools capable of safely incapacitating criminals. Guns should only be permitted to be used by specially trained law enforcement individuals who go through rigorous physiological evaluations and are given the specific obligation to "Protect and Serve the Lives and Rights of Citizens". big problem with that. we aren't brittan or any other country with actual gun laws restricting citizens from buying an arsenal with little oversight. all it would lead to is a bunch of dead cops, a drop off in cop enrollment, and general anarchy. Oh, I probably should have mentioned that I also support stricter gun laws for civilians, and those should be enacted before laws for police officers. --- The fight for Net Neutrality is still not over! If you care about the modern state of the internet, then please take action to protect Net Neutrality! <cite>wiiking96 posted [p:912276231] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote><cite>monkmith posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wiiking96 posted...</cite> <quote>Somewhat controversial opinion: I think that most police officers shouldn't be permitted to carry firearms. Police should be equipped with more nonlethal tools capable of safely incapacitating criminals. Guns should only be permitted to be used by specially trained law enforcement individuals who go through rigorous physiological evaluations and are given the specific obligation to "Protect and Serve the Lives and Rights of Citizens".</quote> big problem with that. we aren't brittan or any other country with actual gun laws restricting citizens from buying an arsenal with little oversight. all it would lead to is a bunch of dead cops, a drop off in cop enrollment, and general anarchy.</quote> Oh, I probably should have mentioned that I also support stricter gun laws for civilians, and those should be enacted before laws for police officers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wiiking96 11/12/18 1:13:27 PM #79:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... wiiking96 posted... Somewhat controversial opinion: That's because your terrible opinion would basically get all of these officers killed . . . https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXMYxKMh3prxnM_4kYZuB3g/videos Hundreds and hundreds of justified shootings. So, we should sacrifice hundreds of officers to save a couple innocent people each year? In my hypothetical scenario, the "Protect and Serve" Officers would be the ones put into these situations and the ones saving the most lives. --- The fight for Net Neutrality is still not over! If you care about the modern state of the internet, then please take action to protect Net Neutrality! <cite>wiiking96 posted [p:912276659] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wiiking96 posted...</cite> <quote>Somewhat controversial opinion:</quote> That's because your terrible opinion would basically get all of these officers killed . . . https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXMYxKMh3prxnM_4kYZuB3g/videos Hundreds and hundreds of justified shootings. So, we should sacrifice hundreds of officers to save a couple innocent people each year?</quote> In my hypothetical scenario, the "Protect and Serve" Officers would be the ones put into these situations and the ones saving the most lives.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blighboy 11/12/18 8:10:58 PM #80:	An honest discussion of gun laws is not possible in a nation where the possession of firearms is given more protection than almost anything else in the country. It is impossible to make logic based decisions when the framework was established to prevent decision making entirely. Any attempt to legislate firearms by design has to be either underhanded and shady to dodge that roadblock, or entirely emotion driven in which case fire is being fought with fire. --- https://i.imgtc.com/IoWAUSb.jpg <cite>Blighboy posted [p:912300446] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote>An honest discussion of gun laws is not possible in a nation where the possession of firearms is given more protection than almost anything else in the country. It is impossible to make logic based decisions when the framework was established to prevent decision making entirely. Any attempt to legislate firearms by design has to be either underhanded and shady to dodge that roadblock, or entirely emotion driven in which case fire is being fought with fire.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlephZero 11/13/18 2:32:55 PM #81:	Deomocrats promising to make gun control a priority https://www.npr.org/2018/11/13/666595118/a-third-rail-no-more-incoming-house-democrats-embrace-gun-control --- "life is overrated" - Seiichi Omori 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:912341031] in An honest ... [t:77193776]...</cite> <quote>Deomocrats promising to make gun control a priority https://www.npr.org/2018/11/13/666595118/a-third-rail-no-more-incoming-house-democrats-embrace-gun-control</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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