Current Events > Crowder's new change my mind: Rape Culture is a myth

Topic List
Page List: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Webmaster4531
10/07/18 4:40:30 PM
#51:


I bet he cut out every mention of Louie CK, Cosby, and Harvey Weinstein.
---
Ad Hominem.
... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck
10/07/18 4:41:19 PM
#52:


_Squirtle_ posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...

Why did you avoid my question earlier?


I didn't because I wasn't responding to you. If you know how quote chains work, you always respond to the last person in the chain, unless you specifically say you're responding to multiple parts.

You didnt answer the question, therefore you avoided answering the question.
---
All Hail King Connor!
Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy
... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking
10/07/18 4:41:25 PM
#53:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
Your wording makes it seem like its not a common occurrence when it happens essentially every time a black person is killed.


That's fair. I was thinking more that no one debates whether someone has died, but I suppose the "murder vs self defense" thing is similar to some claims of "regret accusations".
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
joestarrr
10/07/18 4:44:13 PM
#54:


things I dont miss about undergrad: an abundance of contrarian psuedo intellectual fuckboys that only want to argue and dont really care to do research because they expect you to do all the work for them
which theyre gonna discredit and disagree with anyway
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
Comfy_Pillow
10/07/18 4:44:17 PM
#55:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
You didnt answer the question, therefore you avoided answering the question.


video just says FBI statistics. They don't go into specifically which one because the people he was talking to weren't interested in the facts, they even outright state this.
... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1
10/07/18 4:44:50 PM
#56:


_Squirtle_ posted...
So why should anybody debate progressives who say rape culture is real since it's clearly not based on facts and statistics?

The POTUS is accused of rape, has paid big bucks for sex with porn stars, has bragged about sexual assault on tape. And he's the POTUS.
The very recently appointed judge on the SCOTUS was accused of attempted rape, with a lot of corroborating evidence. In defending himself he very clearly lied under oath in a way that was obvious to everyone, but practically impossible to prove in court. He got approved even though senators across the aisle found his accuser's testimony credible.

Rape culture isn't real, huh
---
Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Comfy_Pillow
10/07/18 4:45:29 PM
#57:


joestarrr posted...
things I dont miss about undergrad: an abundance of contrarian psuedo intellectual f***boys that only want to argue and dont really care to do research because they expect you to do all the work for them
which theyre gonna discredit and disagree with anyway


It was mostly women in the video doing this btw

"I don't care about statistics/empirical data" was screamed several times by the first girl
... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperMedz3
10/07/18 4:46:06 PM
#58:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Doom_Art posted...
_Squirtle_ posted...
He says the left doesn't want to debate

Implying he wants to debate?

He's not in this with an open mind or willingness to be swayed. He just wants to annoy/piss people off.

This feels like deflection to me considering your go to reaction towards people who disagree with you is to ignore whatver they say and insult them.

SuperMedz3 posted...
Has one of five CEmen raped?


Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if a few have.

I've seen one or two users back in the day (not on CE) say have they have and there have been several users who have defended rape and sexual assault..

It was only alike a day or two ago that some guy was claiming all men fantasize about raping women and they just lie about it. Then called everyone a liar when they said it was just him.

There are some weird people here.

Is a few one of five?
---
Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age
... Copied to Clipboard!
Comfy_Pillow
10/07/18 4:47:11 PM
#59:


scar the 1 posted...
Rape culture isn't real, huh


Yes, that's correct. It's not real. Accusations and anecdotes aren't empirical data. Sorry, crybaby.
... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent
10/07/18 4:48:10 PM
#60:


SuperMedz3 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Doom_Art posted...
_Squirtle_ posted...
He says the left doesn't want to debate

Implying he wants to debate?

He's not in this with an open mind or willingness to be swayed. He just wants to annoy/piss people off.

This feels like deflection to me considering your go to reaction towards people who disagree with you is to ignore whatver they say and insult them.

SuperMedz3 posted...
Has one of five CEmen raped?


Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if a few have.

I've seen one or two users back in the day (not on CE) say have they have and there have been several users who have defended rape and sexual assault..

It was only alike a day or two ago that some guy was claiming all men fantasize about raping women and they just lie about it. Then called everyone a liar when they said it was just him.

There are some weird people here.

Is a few one of five?


Obviously not
---
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
joestarrr
10/07/18 4:48:50 PM
#61:


Comfy_Pillow posted...
joestarrr posted...
things I dont miss about undergrad: an abundance of contrarian psuedo intellectual f***boys that only want to argue and dont really care to do research because they expect you to do all the work for them
which theyre gonna discredit and disagree with anyway


It was mostly women in the video doing this btw

"I don't care about statistics/empirical data" was screamed several times by the first girl


Im talking about men who start this shit in the first place.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
_Goggalor_
10/07/18 4:50:07 PM
#62:


Again, the left and progressives don't want actual facts debated. They want to go off of emotion.
---
Www.deviantart.com/goggalor1990
Reading: Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace
... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent
10/07/18 4:50:08 PM
#63:


Comfy_Pillow posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Rape culture isn't real, huh


Yes, that's correct. It's not real. Accusations and anecdotes aren't empirical data. Sorry, crybaby.


I don't get what "empirical data" could be used to process culture.

The entire debate is how a society of people think, act and feel. That's subjective.

It's not like you can make a "Rape Culture Scale" and go "The U.S is a 0.7 on the RC Scale. Japan is 1.3. Saudi Arabia is a 2.4. Canada is a 0.3"
---
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
Comfy_Pillow
10/07/18 4:50:15 PM
#64:


joestarrr posted...
Im talking about men who start this s*** in the first place.


start what shit? saying our society doesn't promote/condone rape and backing that up with statistics?

rape is not promoted or condoned more than any other crime in our society is.
... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck
10/07/18 4:50:23 PM
#65:


Comfy_Pillow posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
You didnt answer the question, therefore you avoided answering the question.


video just says FBI statistics. They don't go into specifically which one because the people he was talking to weren't interested in the facts, they even outright state this.

I didnt watch it, thats why I was curious. Its pretty bad if he cant even properly cite his statistics and chooses to use ones that dont account for the entire picture.
---
All Hail King Connor!
Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy
... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent
10/07/18 4:50:44 PM
#66:


_Goggalor_ posted...
Again, the left and progressives don't want actual facts debated. They want to go off of emotion.


What facts would you say are not being debated?

Please present some.
---
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
_Squirtle_
10/07/18 4:52:18 PM
#67:


UnfairRepresent posted...
I don't get what "empirical data" could be used to process culture.

The entire debate is how a society of people think, act and feel. That's subjective.


By his definition of "society is promoting and condoning rape" that would mean there would be more and more proven rapes and fewer and fewer convictions.

Which could easily been seen in data. But it's not.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
_Goggalor_
10/07/18 4:52:28 PM
#68:


UnfairRepresent posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Again, the left and progressives don't want actual facts debated. They want to go off of emotion.


What facts would you say are not being debated?

Please present some.


The statistics Crowder provided.
---
Www.deviantart.com/goggalor1990
Reading: Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace
... Copied to Clipboard!
Polycosm
10/07/18 4:52:53 PM
#69:


Crowder's mission statement is at odds with his M.O. If you really want your mind changed, you don't study up on a specific topic and then launch into a confrontation with random college freshmen who came totally unprepared. Nobody walks around with an updated list of statistics at the ready, just in case there's a political commentator lurking around the corner on the way to class. His whole shtick comes across as totally disingenuous, to me.
---
BKSheikah owned me so thoroughly in the 2017 guru contest, I'd swear he used the Lens of Truth to pick his bracket. (thengamer.com/guru)
... Copied to Clipboard!
billcom6
10/07/18 4:53:20 PM
#70:


_Goggalor_ posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Again, the left and progressives don't want actual facts debated. They want to go off of emotion.


What facts would you say are not being debated?

Please present some.


The statistics Crowder provided.

How would those facts, even if correct, prove or disprove rape culture?
---
//constant loneliness// --- Steam and Fortnite: billcom6
My Teams: The Ohio State Buckeyes, New York Yankees, Buffalo Bills, The CBJ, Cavs
... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531
10/07/18 4:54:00 PM
#71:


So anyone going to talk about how Harvey Weinstein, Louie CK, and Cosby got away with open secrets for so long?
---
Ad Hominem.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Comfy_Pillow
10/07/18 4:54:08 PM
#72:


King_Hellebuyck posted...

I didnt watch it, thats why I was curious. Its pretty bad if he cant even properly cite his statistics and chooses to use ones that dont account for the entire picture.


it was a conversation with random college kids, not a debate. And the kids shouted at him that his citations didn't matter anyways.
... Copied to Clipboard!
joestarrr
10/07/18 4:54:46 PM
#73:


Comfy_Pillow posted...
joestarrr posted...
Im talking about men who start this s*** in the first place.


start what shit? saying our society doesn't promote/condone rape and backing that up with statistics?

rape is not promoted or condoned more than any other crime in our society is.


You do realize how under reported rape is right ?

And while society may not outright promote it, it sure as shit doesnt care if it happens

And that maybe a college campus full of women who may have been sexually abused in the past (given the statistics on that) is not a place to start this crap for fun?
Like you have NO idea how traumatic this couldve been, honestly.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
Comfy_Pillow
10/07/18 4:56:08 PM
#74:


Polycosm posted...
and then launch into a confrontation


he doesn't confront anybody. He waits for people who want to sit down and talk and have a conversation and then those people are the ones that are aggressive simply because he's going with data versus emotion.
... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck
10/07/18 4:56:40 PM
#75:


_Squirtle_ posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
I don't get what "empirical data" could be used to process culture.

The entire debate is how a society of people think, act and feel. That's subjective.


By his definition of "society is promoting and condoning rape" that would mean there would be more and more proven rapes and fewer and fewer convictions.

Which could easily been seen in data. But it's not.

His definition is set up like if I frame it like this and use a very limited set of data, I can tell everyone theyre wrong.

Would you consider the Catholic Church to have a problem with rape culture? How about prison? Now, do you think there has been an appropriate number of convictions for rapes that occurred in either of those cultures?
---
All Hail King Connor!
Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy
... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck
10/07/18 4:57:28 PM
#76:


Comfy_Pillow posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...

I didnt watch it, thats why I was curious. Its pretty bad if he cant even properly cite his statistics and chooses to use ones that dont account for the entire picture.


it was a conversation with random college kids, not a debate. And the kids shouted at him that his citations didn't matter anyways.

Are you excusing his intellectual dishonesty?
---
All Hail King Connor!
Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy
... Copied to Clipboard!
StanZarnack
10/07/18 4:57:32 PM
#77:


_Goggalor_ posted...
Again, the left and progressives don't want actual facts debated. They want to go off of emotion.


oh isnt that just rich. someone with your condition calling anyone else emotional, lmfao.
---
Common sense is not so common.
... Copied to Clipboard!
#78
Post #78 was unavailable or deleted.
UnfairRepresent
10/07/18 4:58:35 PM
#79:


_Squirtle_ posted...

By his definition of "society is promoting and condoning rape" that would mean there would be more and more proven rapes and fewer and fewer convictions.

Which could easily been seen in data. But it's not.


Ok

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system

Apparently 2/3rds of rapes go unreported to police

And only 7/1000 of people accused of sexual assault or rape end up convicted.

Which is from the Department of Justice.

Sure there's wiggle room as some of these crimes are the same person commiting multipe rapes, that's quite common. But even so the figures are still pretty damning from a "Reported Rape vs Reported Convinction" standpoint.

_Goggalor_ posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Again, the left and progressives don't want actual facts debated. They want to go off of emotion.


What facts would you say are not being debated?

Please present some.


The statistics Crowder provided.

Such as?
---
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
Comfy_Pillow
10/07/18 4:58:47 PM
#80:


joestarrr posted...

You do realize how under reported rape is right ?


tell me the exactly how under reported. Or as close to as you can get. And why is that data accurate, but not the data that proves people that rape are convicted in similar numbers to those that commit other crimes?

joestarrr posted...
And while society may not outright promote it, it sure as s*** doesnt care if it happens


What a blatant lie.

joestarrr posted...
And that maybe a college campus full of women who may have been sexually abused in the past (given the statistics on that) is not a place to start this crap for fun?


then they don't have to sit down and talk to him. He's at a tiny table on a giant campus.

jesus christ
... Copied to Clipboard!
_Goggalor_
10/07/18 4:58:59 PM
#81:


StanZarnack posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Again, the left and progressives don't want actual facts debated. They want to go off of emotion.


oh isnt that just rich. someone with your condition calling anyone else emotional, lmfao.


Get fucked. Also, Crowder is right. Rape culture is a feminist myth.
---
Www.deviantart.com/goggalor1990
Reading: Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace
... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531
10/07/18 5:00:14 PM
#82:


You know Crowder can cut his videos anyway he wants for his narrative?
---
Ad Hominem.
... Copied to Clipboard!
billcom6
10/07/18 5:00:32 PM
#83:


"What was she wearing?"

"Why did she go back to his house?"

"Boys will be boys."

"Maybe she shouldn't have been drinking."

"If it really happened why didn't she say anything?"
---
//constant loneliness// --- Steam and Fortnite: billcom6
My Teams: The Ohio State Buckeyes, New York Yankees, Buffalo Bills, The CBJ, Cavs
... Copied to Clipboard!
StanZarnack
10/07/18 5:00:52 PM
#84:


_Goggalor_ posted...
Get fucked.


_Goggalor_ posted...
go off of emotion.


delicious hypocrisy, not surprising either.
---
Common sense is not so common.
... Copied to Clipboard!
joestarrr
10/07/18 5:01:36 PM
#85:


billcom6 posted...
"What was she wearing?"

"Why did she go back to his house?"

"Boys will be boys."

"Maybe she shouldn't have been drinking."

"If it really happened why didn't she say anything?"


Pretty much

And ofc CE doesnt understand how shit like this is traumatizing for survivors of sexual assault
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent
10/07/18 5:03:17 PM
#86:


Comfy_Pillow posted...


tell me the exactly how under reported. Or as close to as you can get

Ok.

According to the FBI's National Incident-Based Reporting System and the Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey, only 310 out of every 1000 rapes and sexual assaults are reported to police.

College Age:

Female Students: 20% report
Female Non-Students: 32% report

The elderly:
28% report

Members of the military:
43% of female victims and 10% of male victims reported.
---
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
#87
Post #87 was unavailable or deleted.
UnfairRepresent
10/07/18 5:04:51 PM
#88:


Webmaster4531 posted...
You know Crowder can cut his videos anyway he wants for his narrative?

For the record, so can anyone

Which is why you should never get for info from Youtube videos. Even if you love/trust the guy making them and believe them. Question everything and double check everything they say from multiple sources

Never take anything at face value and anyone really trying to spread knowledge and debate will HIGHLY encourage you to be as inquisitive as possible.
---
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
_Squirtle_
10/07/18 5:05:54 PM
#89:


joestarrr posted...
billcom6 posted...
"What was she wearing?"

"Why did she go back to his house?"

"Boys will be boys."

"Maybe she shouldn't have been drinking."

"If it really happened why didn't she say anything?"


Pretty much

And ofc CE doesnt understand how shit like this is traumatizing for survivors of sexual assault


people make similar comments about murder and other crimes as well

Does our society promote and condone murder and theft? Do we live in a murder/thief culture?
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
billcom6
10/07/18 5:07:14 PM
#90:


Washington State Has Nearly 6,500 Untested Rape Kits
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/washington-state-6500-untested-rape-kits_us_5bb7d9eee4b0876eda9e2cc8

NC's 15,000 untested rape kits
https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2018/10/04/rape-kits-north-carolina-attorney-general-josh-stein-grant/1512983002/
---
//constant loneliness// --- Steam and Fortnite: billcom6
My Teams: The Ohio State Buckeyes, New York Yankees, Buffalo Bills, The CBJ, Cavs
... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck
10/07/18 5:07:37 PM
#91:


_Squirtle_ posted...
joestarrr posted...
billcom6 posted...
"What was she wearing?"

"Why did she go back to his house?"

"Boys will be boys."

"Maybe she shouldn't have been drinking."

"If it really happened why didn't she say anything?"


Pretty much

And ofc CE doesnt understand how shit like this is traumatizing for survivors of sexual assault


people make similar comments about murder and other crimes as well

Does our society promote and condone murder and theft? Do we live in a murder/thief culture?

Its weird how you want to adamantly defend Crowder here but you ignore a significant amount of posts in order to find ones that you deem easy to respond to.
---
All Hail King Connor!
Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy
... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent
10/07/18 5:09:03 PM
#92:


_Squirtle_ posted...

Does our society promote and condone murder and theft? Do we live in a murder/thief culture?
https://imgur.com/nkfrakV

Yes.

Dunno if you can excuse ALL of America.

But some parts of it absolutely do. Look no further than the Zimmerman topic to see people openly justifying attempted murder.

a lot of people justify violence and crime
---
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
_Squirtle_
10/07/18 5:09:19 PM
#93:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
_Squirtle_ posted...
joestarrr posted...
billcom6 posted...
"What was she wearing?"

"Why did she go back to his house?"

"Boys will be boys."

"Maybe she shouldn't have been drinking."

"If it really happened why didn't she say anything?"


Pretty much

And ofc CE doesnt understand how shit like this is traumatizing for survivors of sexual assault


people make similar comments about murder and other crimes as well

Does our society promote and condone murder and theft? Do we live in a murder/thief culture?

Its weird how you want to adamantly defend Crowder here but you ignore a significant amount of posts in order to find ones that you deem easy to respond to.


You know this isn't my topic, right?

Plus it's like 40 vs 3 so you want the 3 to be able to answer every single question? I've ignored nothing that was directly said to me that was important.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos
10/07/18 5:09:26 PM
#94:


_Squirtle_ posted...
Does our society promote and condone murder and theft?

Again, with so little done about mass shootings/mass murders it's easy to argue that we don't take it seriously enough.
---
Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars"
AutumnEspirit: *kissu*
... Copied to Clipboard!
_Goggalor_
10/07/18 5:09:55 PM
#95:


UnfairRepresent posted...
_Squirtle_ posted...

Does our society promote and condone murder and theft? Do we live in a murder/thief culture?
https://imgur.com/nkfrakV

Yes.

Dunno if you can excuse ALL of America.

But some parts of it absolutely do. Look no further than the Zimmerman topic to see people openly justifying attempted murder.

a lot of people justify violence and crime


You mean self defense? Zimmerman was acquitted.
---
Www.deviantart.com/goggalor1990
Reading: Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace
... Copied to Clipboard!
Houston
10/07/18 5:11:06 PM
#96:


About a minute into the video a girl says, "Literally I'm shaking. Do you not know how triggering this is?"

Lol!! I seriously thought those terms weren't said unironically anymore. This video is going to be great
---
Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin'
... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent
10/07/18 5:11:30 PM
#97:


_Goggalor_ posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
_Squirtle_ posted...

Does our society promote and condone murder and theft? Do we live in a murder/thief culture?
https://imgur.com/nkfrakV

Yes.

Dunno if you can excuse ALL of America.

But some parts of it absolutely do. Look no further than the Zimmerman topic to see people openly justifying attempted murder.

a lot of people justify violence and crime


You mean self defense? Zimmerman was acquitted.

No I mean they defend Trayvon trying to kill Zimmerman.
---
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
_Squirtle_
10/07/18 5:12:44 PM
#98:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Yes.


Well I disagree but at least you had the balls to actually take a stance rather than try and beat around the bush.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck
10/07/18 5:13:27 PM
#99:


_Squirtle_ posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
_Squirtle_ posted...
joestarrr posted...
billcom6 posted...
"What was she wearing?"

"Why did she go back to his house?"

"Boys will be boys."

"Maybe she shouldn't have been drinking."

"If it really happened why didn't she say anything?"


Pretty much

And ofc CE doesnt understand how shit like this is traumatizing for survivors of sexual assault


people make similar comments about murder and other crimes as well

Does our society promote and condone murder and theft? Do we live in a murder/thief culture?

Its weird how you want to adamantly defend Crowder here but you ignore a significant amount of posts in order to find ones that you deem easy to respond to.


You know this isn't my topic, right?

Plus it's like 40 vs 3 so you want the 3 to be able to answer every single question? I've ignored nothing that was directly said to me that was important.

Youve ignored anything that you dont have an easy cop out for.
---
All Hail King Connor!
Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy
... Copied to Clipboard!
_Squirtle_
10/07/18 5:14:38 PM
#100:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
Youve ignored anything that you dont have an easy cop out for.


5 examples (directed at me) that weren't answered either by me or another person.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List
Page List: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5