Current Events > I don't tip anyone - period. It's because I'm against worker exploitation

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/01/18 4:41:28 AM
#51:


ModLogic posted...
not that these people want "fair pay" to begin with since their skillset equates to min wage.


The concept of someone being paid based solely off of the perceived value of their "skillset" is something that only ever comes up if we're talking about businesses exploiting their workers, and doesn't make sense in literally any other context.

Like, the actual customers don't give a fuck about how "skilled" you are, all they care about is the quality of your service and the value it provides to their life. It's only businesses that tell workers they need to be x amount of skilled in order to earn y amount of dollars.
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EzeDoesIt
10/01/18 4:43:23 AM
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Youre actually forcing them to work minimum wage. Their employer has to pay them minimum if their tips dont go above that. With tips they can make a lot more than min. wage.
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LimboTraveller
10/01/18 5:08:12 AM
#53:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
ModLogic posted...
not that these people want "fair pay" to begin with since their skillset equates to min wage.


The concept of someone being paid based solely off of the perceived value of their "skillset" is something that only ever comes up if we're talking about businesses exploiting their workers, and doesn't make sense in literally any other context.

Like, the actual customers don't give a fuck about how "skilled" you are, all they care about is the quality of your service and the value it provides to their life. It's only businesses that tell workers they need to be x amount of skilled in order to earn y amount of dollars.

so...you just rephrase what modlogic said?
Their skillsets sure are mediocre
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Crazyman93
10/01/18 5:15:39 AM
#54:


nicklebro posted...
Zikten posted...
nicklebro posted...
Who says they dont deserve it?

they make full pay. and minimum wage is like 10 bucks an hour there. I have had jobs in WA, but I never got tipped....fuck them

Full pay? Lol you mean minimum wage? Who says they don't deserve more than minimum wage, you seem to think you deserve tips, why do you think you deserve more money than them?

And again, why are you a cheap person? Why be greedy like that?

Thing is, they're paid the full legal requirement, so if they want more, they have to earn it, meaning provide actual good service.
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elysdeon
10/01/18 5:19:52 AM
#55:


I make $13.50 an hour plus around $4 an hour or so in tips. I think that's pretty good for a guy that was a NEET for 7 years
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bknight
10/01/18 5:35:51 AM
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When I go to the strip club and sit at the stage, I don't tip because dancing for tips is exploitation, they should at least get paid $15/hr to dance and get naked for my viewing pleasure, then I get kicked out by the bouncers for harrasing the girls when I try to tell them my not tipping is the way I show them that I respect them and that they should demand a living wage.
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Nidhoggr
10/01/18 5:37:08 AM
#57:


Only reason I tip is so that they don't spit in my food next time I go there. Otherwise I wouldn't tip.
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SaithSayer
10/01/18 5:39:35 AM
#58:


They should get an hourly wage that stays the same no matter what.

Tips are between the customer and the employee....not the employer. That shit should be none of their concern.
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AlisLandale
10/01/18 5:55:22 AM
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Heres the deal. In America, theres a custom of tipping, which most people do, for better or worse.

One or two people on gamefaqs.gamespot.com arent going to influence this custom by being cheap. Because despite your best (read: no) efforts, the servers still come out ahead every night in tips.

In fact, by going to the restaurant at all, youre supporting this business model because they get your money regardless.

So just stop the mental gymnastics to try and justify being cheap and just admit you are.

Or stop being lazy and actually organize a protest. Maybe if a couple thousand people announce a protest and all go to eat and dont tip on the same days at the same time, you might actually raise some awareness.

You wont though, because youre too scared to put yourself out there without the anonymity of the internet protecting you lol
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Ving_Rhames
10/01/18 6:04:12 AM
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OP sucks at keeping it real. He just won't admit that he doesn't tip because he's a cheapskate.
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SaithSayer
10/01/18 6:06:19 AM
#61:


Ving_Rhames posted...
OP sucks at keeping it real. He just won't admit that he doesn't tip because he's a cheapskate.

When you know their boss uses it as an excuse to pay them less than they should be paid AND you're paying for food, I don't see any reason to dip back into your wallet and give it to the waiter/waitress other than "Here. Sorry your boss sucks."
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EpicMickeyDrew
10/01/18 7:11:55 AM
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@nicklebro posted...
EpicMickeyDrew posted...

Why would I donate money to people who make more than me?

Because that's the custom in America. Unless you just don't mind being a cheap person, which it's pretty clear you don't. You don't seem to care about being a good person at all, so stiff away.

>Not following a custom of a foreign country
>Not giving money to people who are richer than me

"You are a bad person"

Please explain the reasoning here.
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SailorGoon
10/01/18 7:20:14 AM
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Reservoir Dogs as fuck in here
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Looked gf
10/01/18 7:25:04 AM
#64:


I like how people have been brainwashed into thinking paying customers are the cheap ones for not tipping, when you have employers who don't provide a proper wage in the first place
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karlpilkington4
10/01/18 7:36:30 AM
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You dont tip the UPS driver, retail workers, the mailman, plumbers, etc. They certainly provide a service at the same level or greater than a waiter simply bringing out food and smiling at you. Its a stupid double standard, and tipping is dumb to begin with. It's just sheep who will claim some " its a custom lulz if you dont do it ur cheapz", and use herd mentality to justify it.
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FrisbeeDude
10/01/18 7:41:16 AM
#66:


karlpilkington4 posted...
You dont tip the UPS driver, retail workers, the mailman, plumbers, etc. They certainly provide a service at the same level or greater than a waiter simply bringing out food and smiling at you. Its a stupid double standard, and tipping is dumb to begin with. It's just sheep who will claim some " its a custom lulz if you dont do it ur cheapz", and use herd mentality to justify it.


the neckbeard is strong in this one
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karlpilkington4
10/01/18 7:43:18 AM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
You dont tip the UPS driver, retail workers, the mailman, plumbers, etc. They certainly provide a service at the same level or greater than a waiter simply bringing out food and smiling at you. Its a stupid double standard, and tipping is dumb to begin with. It's just sheep who will claim some " its a custom lulz if you dont do it ur cheapz", and use herd mentality to justify it.


the neckbeard is strong in this one


I'm clean shaved, but thanks for your overwhelming impressive counter argument.
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Rioushu
10/01/18 7:45:51 AM
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People still biting on this topic? Sheesh.
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MrToothHasYou
10/01/18 8:41:00 AM
#69:


REMercsChamp posted...
Tipping culture just gives a green light for employers to exploit their employees. "It's okay if I pay them $2 an hour, because tips!". I won't be supporting this practice.

So you boycott places who don't pay their employees a fair wage.
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Learning
10/01/18 9:29:23 AM
#70:


LimboTraveller posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
ModLogic posted...
not that these people want "fair pay" to begin with since their skillset equates to min wage.


The concept of someone being paid based solely off of the perceived value of their "skillset" is something that only ever comes up if we're talking about businesses exploiting their workers, and doesn't make sense in literally any other context.

Like, the actual customers don't give a fuck about how "skilled" you are, all they care about is the quality of your service and the value it provides to their life. It's only businesses that tell workers they need to be x amount of skilled in order to earn y amount of dollars.

so...you just rephrase what modlogic said?
Their skillsets sure are mediocre


Jesus Christ you're dumb.
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voldothegr8
10/01/18 9:49:37 AM
#71:


I'm sure it has been brought up, but if you want to make an impact you should stop eating at sit down restaurants period. Stiffing the bottom of the totem pole workers doesn't impact the owners bottom line at all, it just makes you a cheap ass.
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BlockWatcher
10/01/18 9:59:34 AM
#72:


REMercsChamp posted...
Tipping culture just gives a green light for employers to exploit their employees. "It's okay if I pay them $2 an hour, because tips!". I won't be supporting this practice.


Why support the employers by going to the establishment ?
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LimboTraveller
10/01/18 10:08:36 AM
#73:


Learning posted...
LimboTraveller posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
ModLogic posted...
not that these people want "fair pay" to begin with since their skillset equates to min wage.


The concept of someone being paid based solely off of the perceived value of their "skillset" is something that only ever comes up if we're talking about businesses exploiting their workers, and doesn't make sense in literally any other context.

Like, the actual customers don't give a fuck about how "skilled" you are, all they care about is the quality of your service and the value it provides to their life. It's only businesses that tell workers they need to be x amount of skilled in order to earn y amount of dollars.

so...you just rephrase what modlogic said?
Their skillsets sure are mediocre


Jesus Christ you're dumb.

thats your only argument?
give me proof where i was wrong
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Oatcakes
10/01/18 10:23:55 AM
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I find it cheap of the company not paying their employees a wage they can live on.
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Antifar
10/01/18 10:31:08 AM
#77:


fenderbender321 posted...
Tipping is more effective at ensuring servers make decent money than a system where people rely on the restaurant to pay a higher wage.

Instead you make them rely on the whims of other capricious assholes.
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Questionmarktarius
10/01/18 10:34:23 AM
#78:


Antifar posted...
fenderbender321 posted...
Tipping is more effective at ensuring servers make decent money than a system where people rely on the restaurant to pay a higher wage.

Instead you make them rely on the whims of other capricious assholes.

This pretty much covers it, yeah.
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RchHomieQuanChi
10/01/18 1:28:50 PM
#80:


Also, one thing that people don't seem to understand:

The price for the food is exactly that: the price of the food. The tip is what you pay for the convenience of having food brought out to you and having someone to constantly refill your drinks. It's like complaining about having to pay a delivery fee when you order food.

If you don't like it, go eat at a place without servers.
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Questionmarktarius
10/01/18 1:39:04 PM
#81:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
The price for the food is exactly that: the price of the food. The tip is what you pay for the convenience of having food brought out to you and having someone to constantly refill your drinks. It's like complaining about having to pay a delivery fee when you order food.

Then, you know, charge a table-service fee, rather than leaving it ambiguous.
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RchHomieQuanChi
10/01/18 1:40:26 PM
#82:


Questionmarktarius posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
The price for the food is exactly that: the price of the food. The tip is what you pay for the convenience of having food brought out to you and having someone to constantly refill your drinks. It's like complaining about having to pay a delivery fee when you order food.

Then, you know, charge a table-service fee, rather than leaving it ambiguous.


Then you'd just complain about having to pay $5.00 across the board regardless of how good the service was.
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Questionmarktarius
10/01/18 1:41:48 PM
#83:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
The price for the food is exactly that: the price of the food. The tip is what you pay for the convenience of having food brought out to you and having someone to constantly refill your drinks. It's like complaining about having to pay a delivery fee when you order food.

Then, you know, charge a table-service fee, rather than leaving it ambiguous.


Then you'd just complain about having to pay $5.00 across the board regardless of how good the service was.

No. It'll just be all carryout, all the time.
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Oatcakes
10/01/18 2:03:09 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Also, one thing that people don't seem to understand:

The price for the food is exactly that: the price of the food. The tip is what you pay for the convenience of having food brought out to you and having someone to constantly refill your drinks. It's like complaining about having to pay a delivery fee when you order food.

If you don't like it, go eat at a place without servers.


You aren't just paying for the literal food. You're also paying to eat in the building, for it to be prepared etc and for the people who own it to make a profit.

Do you think restaurant prices are the same as what you would pay in a supermarket?
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RchHomieQuanChi
10/01/18 2:05:59 PM
#86:


Oatcakes posted...
You're also paying to eat in the building, for it to be prepared etc and for the people who own it to make a profit.


Okay. Not sure how that contradicts what I said.
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Solid Snake07
10/01/18 2:06:54 PM
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you don't tip cause you're cheap and don't care if people think you're an asshole. Stop fronting
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Oatcakes
10/01/18 2:07:18 PM
#88:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Oatcakes posted...
You're also paying to eat in the building, for it to be prepared etc and for the people who own it to make a profit.


Okay. Not sure how that contradicts what I said.


The part where you said the price for the food was just the price for the food and that tips are for the rest.
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RchHomieQuanChi
10/01/18 2:08:57 PM
#89:


Oatcakes posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Oatcakes posted...
You're also paying to eat in the building, for it to be prepared etc and for the people who own it to make a profit.


Okay. Not sure how that contradicts what I said.


The part where you said the price for the food was just the price for the food and that tips are for the rest.


No. I said the tips (a.k.a. the only money going directly to the server) are the fee for the convenience of having it brought out to you while you sit and wait.

Nowhere did I mention any of the other stuff you mentioned.
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Oatcakes
10/01/18 2:10:48 PM
#90:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Also, one thing that people don't seem to understand:

The price for the food is exactly that: the price of the food. The tip is what you pay for the convenience of having food brought out to you and having someone to constantly refill your drinks. It's like complaining about having to pay a delivery fee when you order food.

If you don't like it, go eat at a place without servers.


I mean, it's right here.
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RchHomieQuanChi
10/01/18 2:11:39 PM
#91:


Oatcakes posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Also, one thing that people don't seem to understand:

The price for the food is exactly that: the price of the food. The tip is what you pay for the convenience of having food brought out to you and having someone to constantly refill your drinks. It's like complaining about having to pay a delivery fee when you order food.

If you don't like it, go eat at a place without servers.


I mean, it's right here.


Having it prepared and cooked kinda goes into the "price of the food"....
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Oatcakes
10/01/18 2:12:52 PM
#92:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Oatcakes posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Also, one thing that people don't seem to understand:

The price for the food is exactly that: the price of the food. The tip is what you pay for the convenience of having food brought out to you and having someone to constantly refill your drinks. It's like complaining about having to pay a delivery fee when you order food.

If you don't like it, go eat at a place without servers.


I mean, it's right here.


Having it prepared and cooked kinda goes into the "price of the food"....


Why does that and not table service? Why are you drawing the line there?
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RchHomieQuanChi
10/01/18 2:14:10 PM
#94:


Oatcakes posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Oatcakes posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Also, one thing that people don't seem to understand:

The price for the food is exactly that: the price of the food. The tip is what you pay for the convenience of having food brought out to you and having someone to constantly refill your drinks. It's like complaining about having to pay a delivery fee when you order food.

If you don't like it, go eat at a place without servers.


I mean, it's right here.


Having it prepared and cooked kinda goes into the "price of the food"....


Why does that and not table service? Why are you drawing the line there?


Because table service has nothing to do with the actual creation of the meal.
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Solid Snake07
10/01/18 2:22:34 PM
#95:


fenderbender321 posted...
TC, you call it worker exploitation. Yet I doubt a single server in the US would trade their tips for an increased wage.


I wouldn't have back when I was serving and bartending.

No way they would have paid me enough to do those jobs. And if I had no choice but to do those jobs anyway I would of given much less of a shit about making sure customers had a great experience.
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Oatcakes
10/01/18 2:23:36 PM
#96:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Oatcakes posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Oatcakes posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Also, one thing that people don't seem to understand:

The price for the food is exactly that: the price of the food. The tip is what you pay for the convenience of having food brought out to you and having someone to constantly refill your drinks. It's like complaining about having to pay a delivery fee when you order food.

If you don't like it, go eat at a place without servers.


I mean, it's right here.


Having it prepared and cooked kinda goes into the "price of the food"....


Why does that and not table service? Why are you drawing the line there?


Because table service has nothing to do with the actual creation of the meal.


So what you meant to say was, "the price of sourcing the ingredients including delivery to restaurant, preparing the ingredients (compensating the chef) and the cost of the ingredients is the price of sourcing the ingredients including delivery to restaurant, preparing the ingredients (compensating the chef) and the cost of the ingredients."

"Price of the food is the price of the food" sounds just like that.
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Questionmarktarius
10/01/18 2:24:57 PM
#97:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Oatcakes posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Oatcakes posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Also, one thing that people don't seem to understand:

The price for the food is exactly that: the price of the food. The tip is what you pay for the convenience of having food brought out to you and having someone to constantly refill your drinks. It's like complaining about having to pay a delivery fee when you order food.

If you don't like it, go eat at a place without servers.


I mean, it's right here.


Having it prepared and cooked kinda goes into the "price of the food"....


Why does that and not table service? Why are you drawing the line there?


Because table service has nothing to do with the actual creation of the meal.

So... I can just bring along my own personal concierge to do that?
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RchHomieQuanChi
10/01/18 2:25:12 PM
#98:


Oatcakes posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Oatcakes posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Oatcakes posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Also, one thing that people don't seem to understand:

The price for the food is exactly that: the price of the food. The tip is what you pay for the convenience of having food brought out to you and having someone to constantly refill your drinks. It's like complaining about having to pay a delivery fee when you order food.

If you don't like it, go eat at a place without servers.


I mean, it's right here.


Having it prepared and cooked kinda goes into the "price of the food"....


Why does that and not table service? Why are you drawing the line there?


Because table service has nothing to do with the actual creation of the meal.


So what you meant to say was, "the price of sourcing the ingredients including delivery to restaurant, preparing the ingredients (compensating the chef) and the cost of the ingredients is the price of sourcing the ingredients including delivery to restaurant, preparing the ingredients (compensating the chef) and the cost of the ingredients."

"Price of the food is the price of the food" sounds just like that.


Okay.

Not sure what the point of all of this was though.
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Oatcakes
10/01/18 2:25:40 PM
#99:


This is all obviously included in the price, as well as paying to sit in a building. Why is one thing separate from the rest?

Because the owner is cheap.
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ModLogic
10/01/18 3:38:55 PM
#100:


fenderbender321 posted...
TC, you call it worker exploitation. Yet I doubt a single server in the US would trade their tips for an increased wage.

of course not. then they wouldn't be able to exploit customers.

in this case its the workers doing the exploiting.
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