Current Events > I don't tip anyone - period. It's because I'm against worker exploitation

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Stop using businesses that have workers who expect tips.
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fenderbender321 posted...

ModLogic posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

TC, you call it worker exploitation. Yet I doubt a single server in the US would trade their tips for an increased wage.

of course not. then they wouldn't be able to exploit customers.

in this case its the workers doing the exploiting.

What exactly are servers exploiting? Tipping is voluntary. The only thing you can point to is social pressure, which is an incredibly flimsy argument because you can not tip all over the place and nothing bad will happen to you.

If a server gives you bad service because you don't tip, then that's actually a benefit to you, because you can complain to the manager who will then discount your food or give you a freebie. If management doesn't care about you, then you shouldn't be eating there in the first place.

weak gullible customers who fold at entitled fools calling them "cheap" and empty threats of food tampering or bad service. they take full advantage of the expected tip culture.
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I'd argue that if tips exploit anything it's the workers. The tip system naturally encourages the workers to show up at peak times and offer friendlier service, instead of calling off because "fuck that place on a Friday night"

It's baffling how anyone could argue customers are getting exploited considering food would be more expensive, about a tips worth, if the system wasn't in place. If anything it's cheap ass stiffers that are taking advantage and exploiting in that regard.
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voldothegr8 posted...

I'd argue that if tips exploit anything it's the workers. The tip system naturally encourages the workers to show up at peak times and offer friendlier service, instead of calling off because "fuck that place on a Friday night"

It's baffling how anyone could argue customers are getting exploited considering food would be more expensive, about a tips worth, if the system wasn't in place. If anything it's cheap ass stiffers that are taking advantage and exploiting in that regard.

"tipping is optional. but if you dont tip you are cheap."

"oh woe is me. i signed up for rng pay and im not getting the rolls i want everytime"
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To 500
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fenderbender321 posted...

ModLogic posted...

"oh woe is me. i signed up for rng pay and im not getting the rolls i want everytime"

Literally no server has this attitude.

you clearly have a few of these clowns on your ignore list
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If you don't at least tip delivery drivers, you've probably consumed things you wouldn't have wanted to consume...
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ModLogic posted...

tipping is optional. but if you dont tip you are cheap.

Tipping is not always optional (gratuity) and I never argued it was optional anyway. It is but it isn't, it's socially expected in America. Either way, one is factually a cheap ass if they don't tip because of that expectation and the fact food would be more expensive if the tip system wasn't there. And again, stiffing does nothing to hurt the bottom line of an owner. Not eating at sit down restaurants at all does, so that's what you should be doing to protest. Being shitty to the bottom rung employee is just another excuse for being cheap.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Not eating at sit down restaurants at all does

Seems a good plan to me.

voldothegr8 posted...

ModLogic posted...

tipping is optional. but if you dont tip you are cheap.

Tipping is not always optional (gratuity) and I never argued it was optional anyway. It is but it isn't, it's socially expected in America. Either way, one is factually a cheap ass if they don't tip because of that expectation and the fact food would be more expensive if the tip system wasn't there. And again, stiffing does nothing to hurt the bottom line of an owner. Not eating at sit down restaurants at all does, so that's what you should be doing to protest. Being shitty to the bottom rung employee is just another excuse for being cheap.

a bottom feeder who willingly signed up for it. not the customers issue
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ModLogic posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

ModLogic posted...

tipping is optional. but if you dont tip you are cheap.

Tipping is not always optional (gratuity) and I never argued it was optional anyway. It is but it isn't, it's socially expected in America. Either way, one is factually a cheap ass if they don't tip because of that expectation and the fact food would be more expensive if the tip system wasn't there. And again, stiffing does nothing to hurt the bottom line of an owner. Not eating at sit down restaurants at all does, so that's what you should be doing to protest. Being shitty to the bottom rung employee is just another excuse for being cheap.

a bottom feeder who willingly signed up for it. not the customers issue

That's my point, the tip system gets them to willingly come in on peak hours and offer friendlier service. Without the tip system service would be slower, a lot less friendlier, and food more expensive. By not tipping it is the stiffer doing the exploiting by getting out cheap while reaping the rewards.
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I don't tip either.

ModLogic posted...

because paying a set price means you don't have to guess if it's the entitled fool who expects 20% or the entitled fool who expects 25% serving you today. but i don't expect you to be able to understand this.

"you're ok with paying increased menu prices. you're cheap."
"tip workers do get a set pay. you're cheap."

no wonder the likes of you are stuck in a no skilled shitty job you defend with such desperation

Of course I don't understand that, it's completely detached from reality lmao. No one should be expected to understand some nonsense you concocted in your head or pulled out of your ass, which is the same thing I guess. No server expects more %20 and almost every server is satisfied with %15. It's when you get around %10 despite giving good service that anyonw gets a little irked. But even then, it's just a little irked and you the customer never face any consequences for it unless you're egregiously undertipping at a place you frequently eat at, and that consequence would beazy service or at worst, a refusal to serve you, but I've never even heard about a restaurant refusing to serve a guy cuz he didn't tip enough.

And I'm not stuck in any job, im a sales rep for a bread company, tho I do bartend once or twice a week because I enjoy it so much. Lol and you think that it doesn't take skill to serve or bartend? Sure maybe at Dennys, but at the high end places I've worked in Las Vegas and Waikiki and on Maui as well? You wouldn't be able to even get hired at those places, let alone actually do the job. For one you actually have to be friendly and charismatic, it's also a lot more physically demanding than most people realize. Then you have to be knowledgeable on the menu down to every ingredient in every dish, and what kind of wine to pair with each dish. You have to know these things for people who have allergies to certain foods, or for people who pretend to have allergies like gluten free diets. There's so much more I could go into, including how good servers don't take orders, they sell dishes, which is part of why I got I to sales after leaving the F&B industry. But I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand this.

Oh and as good as my current job is, I was still making more money in Las Vegas albeit I was working two jobs. But to be able to make close to 100k a year as a 22-23 year old kid with no college degree? With nothing but a handsome face and charismatic personality? Lol not to mention the extremely hot girls you work with (and inevitably hook up with) are making almost 10xs as much as you are, so how exactly can you call that a shitty job?

Lol oh that's right, you're trolling about something you're completely ignorant of.

ModLogic posted...

you're talking to a guy who can only reach 1 conclusion, "you're cheap". don't ask him hard questions.

I already answered that question, it was easy, idk ebynyou thought it was hard. Probably cuz you're not as smart as I am.

And yeah you're cheap if you stiff your waiters ona consistent basis. That isnt my opinion, it's the fact of the matter. We have the term "cheap" to describe people like you, that was true before I was even born.

LimboTraveller posted...

it actually does. You need to look at this issue at long term.

TC is smart

It only has a chance of possibly working if you can convince everyone in America to stop tipping, and you can't. Hell I bet restaurants would just start including mandatory gratuity before you actually accomplished your pointless goal.

Really the only difference in the end would be that servers would then be taxed on all their income.
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Isn't TC the same dude I saw who made a topic about how he had only 50 bucks in his bank account? Gotta get your stacks up if you wanna go out to eat my man.
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voldothegr8 posted...

By not tipping it is the stiffer doing the exploiting by getting out cheap while reaping the rewards.

This is a great point. The only ones exploiting anyone are the people who don't tip they're breaking the social contract we have (which is basically honor code to not be a shitty person ) in order to save a few dollars. Lol and they literally try to make the excuse that they're doing it to stop servers from being taken advantage of all while belittling servers the entire time. No it's clear that they're just antisocial people who don't give a shit about anyone else. Meanwhile the rest of us actually enjoy the sense of community you get from taking part in social customs like tipping. I mean I know when I tip that it makes me feel good. I don't get that same feeling at all when I buy food from grocery store or really any time all of my money is going to a business. See if I'm paying $25 including a $5 tip, it makes me feel good that I'm giving money to this person who has been servicing me and treating me so well, and that person is happy to see that their service and friendly attitude warranted them getting a good tip, it makes them feel good about themselves just like tipping made me feel good about myself. Now if everything was the exact same except we remove tipping and replace it with higher menu costs, I'm paying the same amount of money and the server is doing the exact same job but neither of us gets that good feeling from the tip. The only difference is that servers would now be taxed on all their income rather than just what they declare. Typhon posted...

I don't tip either.

Then you're a cheap person.
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It's crazy how these topics always net so many posts lol

Anyway I'm against tipping but I'm not gonna not tip. That's just fucked up.

Unknown5uspect posted...

It's crazy how these topics always net so many posts lol

Anyway I'm against tipping but I'm not gonna not tip. That's just fucked up.

Well yeah, it's mutually beneficial for us and the trolls because they get to keep on posting absurd nonsensical arguments and we get to prove they're bad people. See we dont care that they get to keep making silly new arguments, and they don't care about looking like horrendously shitty people. See if they started being reasonable and adopted your stance of being against tipping but still tipping, these topics would go nowhere.

I am curious as to why you're against tipping tho...
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Tipping literally stems from slavery.
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Minimum wage is the law, yet somehow they are allowed to pay these service people less than minimum wage, and then make the common man pay the remainder of their wage, while the fat cats laugh all the way to the bank.

And then turn the common people against each other, forming the most vitriolic culture in America.

Even worse, "tip or else I'll spit in your food" is entry level extortion.

If you really care about these workers, don't tip them, GIVE them the money directly. Money given directly is not a tip, nor is it taxable.

They'll come out ahead with wage+no tips+$5 instead of wage+$5 tip.
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PSXOnlineCCC posted...

Tipping literally stems from slavery.

Lmao this has got to be the most ridiculous argument yet because he actually thinks he's making a legit point and not just embarrassing himself.

MI4 REAL posted...

Even worse, "tip or else I'll spit in your food" is entry level extortion

No one really says this tho.
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Conflict posted...

Spitting in one's food isn't a real thing but employees do take measures against consumers that regularly don't tip. Lower quality service or generally being less prioritized are among them

Sure that occurs, but it requires consistent under tipping over a number of visits and even then it's likely not even noticeable by the customer. Unless it's some kinda perfect storm customer from hell where she is incredibly demanding and needy and a consistent under tipper who continues going to the same restaurant despite always complaining about her experience.
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PSXOnlineCCC posted...

Tipping literally stems from slavery.

"but but but it was accepted at the time"
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ModLogic posted...

PSXOnlineCCC posted...

Tipping literally stems from slavery.

"but but but it was accepted at the time"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrfecBzL1Ec" data-time="&start=26

Educate yourselves.
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