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HylianFox
09/25/18 2:57:46 PM
#102:


Still craving some Wendy's
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CableZL
09/25/18 2:58:14 PM
#103:


SolidSonicEX posted...
REMercsChamp posted...
Great story - really shows the absurdity of people who want to drop out of high school in grade 9 and flip burgers thinking it entitles them to a detached house and a nice car.

So when do you have the right to complain about your money and how you deserve better than what you have? When can you say you work harder for what you're getting back in life?


You can find hard workers at pretty much any job. The relative value of what you're doing at your job is very important to consider.
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Southernfatman
09/25/18 3:00:39 PM
#104:


Why do you guys bother trying to argue? People who make these topics and agree with them are usually of the following groups:

-people who are just trolling
-deluded idiots who believe right wing propaganda and won't be convinced
-very privileged people who are also deluded and don't understand how the real world works.

Or all the above. What's the point?
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SolidSonicEX
09/25/18 3:04:35 PM
#105:


Honestly, fuck anyone who says money can't buy happiness.

You can find happiness in things that don't cost money, sure, but ask yourself how much you can really enjoy your life if you constantly hit walls in what is available to you because of how much you earn.

I personally am okay with most of my life because I make enough to be happy and I will say right now a lot of that is due to how little I have to think about what I want to buy before I buy it.
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Roshon
09/25/18 3:16:23 PM
#107:


SolidSonicEX posted...
Honestly, fuck anyone who says money can't buy happiness.

You can find happiness in things that don't cost money, sure, but ask yourself how much you can really enjoy your life if you constantly hit walls in what is available to you because of how much you earn.

I personally am okay with most of my life because I make enough to be happy and I will say right now a lot of that is due to how little I have to think about what I want to buy before I buy it.


Please tell me why so many celebrities and wealthy people are seemingly so unhappy if money really buys happiness...
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SolidSonicEX
09/25/18 3:17:38 PM
#108:


Roshon posted...
SolidSonicEX posted...
Honestly, fuck anyone who says money can't buy happiness.

You can find happiness in things that don't cost money, sure, but ask yourself how much you can really enjoy your life if you constantly hit walls in what is available to you because of how much you earn.

I personally am okay with most of my life because I make enough to be happy and I will say right now a lot of that is due to how little I have to think about what I want to buy before I buy it.


Please tell me why so many celebrities and wealthy people are seemingly so unhappy if money really buys happiness...

They let themselves get out of control. It usually involves substance abuse and other things that can bring down your mood.

There are also very rich people who are extremely self-satisfied and content people.
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Metro2
09/25/18 3:17:58 PM
#109:


How DARE people demand a living wage, TC! To be able to have a decent quality of life, what nonsense is this!
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kingdrake2
09/25/18 3:19:47 PM
#110:


Metro2 posted...
How DARE people demand a living wage, TC! To be able to have a decent quality of life, what nonsense is this!


This Is Sparta.

the pit is too good for them.... throwing em into the drink is better.

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TES_Nut
09/25/18 3:21:32 PM
#111:


That's crazy, but it doesn't excuse the fact that income inequality and laissez faire capitalism have reached unsustsutanable levels.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
09/25/18 3:29:53 PM
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All price controls hurt the market. A free market is set to optimum. Price controls stop us from reaching efficiency and hurt society.

Rent control and the minimum wage should be abolished.
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REMercsChamp
09/25/18 3:29:56 PM
#114:


Godnorgosh posted...
CableZL posted...
SolidSonicEX posted...
REMercsChamp posted...
Great story - really shows the absurdity of people who want to drop out of high school in grade 9 and flip burgers thinking it entitles them to a detached house and a nice car.

So when do you have the right to complain about your money and how you deserve better than what you have? When can you say you work harder for what you're getting back in life?


You can find hard workers at pretty much any job. The relative value of what you're doing at your job is very important to consider.


I mean, on the one hand, yes, you're absolutely right that you should expect to put in work to develop skills if you want career advancement to be more of an expectation and not just a remote possibility.

On the other hand, the fact that low-wage workers are making the same wages while cost of living increases is a separate problem. If wages aren't at least keeping pace with inflation, then that's a problem that goes beyond someone's particular life choices.

"but why should I have to work hard for stuff and make myself relevant when, like, employers should just THROW money at me for flipping burgers, man!"
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apocalyptic_4
09/25/18 3:33:06 PM
#115:


Smh CE
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CableZL
09/25/18 3:33:18 PM
#116:


I definitely agree that something should be done about wages not keeping up with inflation, but I'm not sure how to effectively tackle corporate greed on that scale.
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REMercsChamp
09/25/18 3:36:45 PM
#118:


Godnorgosh posted...
REMercsChamp posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
CableZL posted...
SolidSonicEX posted...
REMercsChamp posted...
Great story - really shows the absurdity of people who want to drop out of high school in grade 9 and flip burgers thinking it entitles them to a detached house and a nice car.

So when do you have the right to complain about your money and how you deserve better than what you have? When can you say you work harder for what you're getting back in life?


You can find hard workers at pretty much any job. The relative value of what you're doing at your job is very important to consider.


I mean, on the one hand, yes, you're absolutely right that you should expect to put in work to develop skills if you want career advancement to be more of an expectation and not just a remote possibility.

On the other hand, the fact that low-wage workers are making the same wages while cost of living increases is a separate problem. If wages aren't at least keeping pace with inflation, then that's a problem that goes beyond someone's particular life choices.

"but why should I have to work hard for stuff and make myself relevant when, like, employers should just THROW money at me for flipping burgers, man!"


No one's saying you shouldn't work hard or make yourself relevant.

Sure they are - you're implying it when you say that you should just be able to flip burgers (unskilled manual labor) and think that entitles you to a good life in 2018 when unskilled manual labor is becoming irrelevant and obsolete.
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Makeveli_lives
09/25/18 3:47:42 PM
#120:


Roshon posted...
Please tell me why so many celebrities and wealthy people are seemingly so unhappy if money really buys happiness...

Because people are vultures. Everyone you've ever known suddenly wants to be your best friend because they want something.
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Flockaveli
09/25/18 3:59:49 PM
#122:


Supply and demand.
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scar the 1
09/25/18 4:01:20 PM
#123:


Isoflurane posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
scar the 1 posted...
It'll always baffle me that there are some who seriously think that people who work a full time job don't deserve a livable wage.


Its wild to me


Every single job, no matter what it is, should make "a livable wage" (whatever that means) if they work 40 hours?

Yeah! And sorry, I meant to say living wage. English isn't my first language.
Similarly, if you can't afford to pay a living wage, you shouldn't be running a business.
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mech dragon
09/25/18 4:05:26 PM
#124:


1) Millenials are also now in their 30's. The highest generation with post-secondary degrees, so they are a smart group.
2) Minimum wage should be living wage. That's why it exists. It does cost $20/hr to live in many cities.
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Questionmarktarius
09/25/18 4:08:27 PM
#125:


mech dragon posted...
It does cost $20/hr to live in many cities.

Which is why legislation forbidding municipal (or otherwise local) minimum wage is misguided.
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REMercsChamp
09/25/18 4:15:02 PM
#126:


>Guy in thread gives example of busting his ass for low wages and finally making it due to hard work, developing his career and educating himself
>Other guys: "Yo fuck man why can't I drop out in grade 9, flip burgers and make $30 an hour! I'm a human being with FEELINGS"
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Questionmarktarius
09/25/18 4:23:37 PM
#128:


Conflict posted...
REMercsChamp posted...
>Other guys: "Yo fuck man why can't I drop out in grade 9, flip burgers and make $30 an hour! I'm a human being with FEELINGS"


Who's saying this tho

...pretty much everyone in San Francisco?
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Questionmarktarius
09/25/18 4:36:48 PM
#130:


Conflict posted...
Maybe if rent for a 3 bedroom apartment wasn't $5,000 a month in SF people wouldn't be saying that

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2016/03/are-wealthy-neighborhoods-to-blame-for-gentrification-of-poorer-ones/473349/
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ModLogic
09/25/18 4:54:11 PM
#131:


same millennials think they are entitled to tips when they sign up for random wage jobs then throw stupid tantrums when rng doesn't go their way.
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DarkProto05
09/25/18 4:56:54 PM
#132:


ModLogic posted...
same millennials think they are entitled to tips when they sign up for random wage jobs then throw stupid tantrums when rng doesn't go their way.

Thank you someone gets it.
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s0nicfan
09/25/18 4:59:14 PM
#133:


Conflict posted...
Maybe if rent for a 3 bedroom apartment wasn't $5,000 a month in SF people wouldn't be saying that


Why do people always act like living in SF is a basic human right? The US has 3.8 million square miles of land, insisting that they have to live in one of the most expensive places in the country makes no sense.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/25/18 5:00:08 PM
#134:


mIlLeNnIaLs MiLlEnNiAlS!!!!!
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HeyPuff
09/25/18 5:02:18 PM
#135:


TC, arent you a fat loser who lives at home? And can also safely say probably a virgin? Dont you have bigger things to worry about?
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gmanthebest
09/25/18 8:54:24 PM
#136:


s0nicfan posted...
Conflict posted...
Maybe if rent for a 3 bedroom apartment wasn't $5,000 a month in SF people wouldn't be saying that


Why do people always act like living in SF is a basic human right? The US has 3.8 million square miles of land, insisting that they have to live in one of the most expensive places in the country makes no sense.

This. Of course you're gonna be in poverty when you live outside your means.
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DezDroppedFreak
09/25/18 9:06:34 PM
#137:


Caution999 posted...
Here's my thing:

Let's say we get $20 minimum wage for Wendys. Ok, so, now everyone is currently making $15-19 an hour at some office is now going to be applying for a job at Wendys.

Congratulations. You just worked yourself out of a job.


Not necessarily. Benefits play a role as well
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Villain
09/25/18 9:20:00 PM
#138:


Then the office jobs gotta pay up too. That's the point
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ZMythos
09/25/18 9:27:31 PM
#139:


spudger posted...
*yawns*

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ZMythos
09/25/18 9:29:42 PM
#140:


Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
All price controls hurt the market. A free market is set to optimum. Price controls stop us from reaching efficiency and hurt society.

Rent control and the minimum wage should be abolished.


Someone doesn't understand economics.

"But but but the DEMAND CURVE"

Yes, you know what else generates deadweight loss? Deregulated companies that scalp the working class to line the pockets of the CEOs.
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Isoflurane
09/26/18 7:02:12 AM
#141:


scar the 1 posted...
Isoflurane posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
scar the 1 posted...
It'll always baffle me that there are some who seriously think that people who work a full time job don't deserve a livable wage.


Its wild to me


Every single job, no matter what it is, should make "a livable wage" (whatever that means) if they work 40 hours?

Yeah! And sorry, I meant to say living wage. English isn't my first language.
Similarly, if you can't afford to pay a living wage, you shouldn't be running a business.


Have you ever started a business? They scrape by for the first years. This is the type of legislation that would develop more monopolies by allowing the the bigger companies to try out new ideas than an entrepreneur who can't stay open after 6 months because there cashier has to make a "livable wage".

And you had the term correct, I just don't understand how it's defined. Livable according to who? Enough to rent a van to sleep in and make ramen on a hot plate? Well this person has 6 kids, they've got to make a lot more than a single person. Do we ship people out to the cheapest parts of the country? People love to shout people down with their moral buzzwords with no way of implementing them without disastrous effects
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EnragedSlith
09/26/18 7:32:54 AM
#142:


Isoflurane posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Isoflurane posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
scar the 1 posted...
It'll always baffle me that there are some who seriously think that people who work a full time job don't deserve a livable wage.


Its wild to me


Every single job, no matter what it is, should make "a livable wage" (whatever that means) if they work 40 hours?

Yeah! And sorry, I meant to say living wage. English isn't my first language.
Similarly, if you can't afford to pay a living wage, you shouldn't be running a business.


Have you ever started a business? They scrape by for the first years. This is the type of legislation that would develop more monopolies by allowing the the bigger companies to try out new ideas than an entrepreneur who can't stay open after 6 months because there cashier has to make a "livable wage".

I'm pretty sure the prevalent belief is that wages have been kept down due to monopsony, which is, in part, a product of government intervention and non-intervention. It's also what's driving out small businesses, rather than regulations forcing them to pay whatever wage.
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scar the 1
09/26/18 8:57:10 AM
#143:


Isoflurane posted...
Have you ever started a business? They scrape by for the first years. This is the type of legislation that would develop more monopolies by allowing the the bigger companies to try out new ideas than an entrepreneur who can't stay open after 6 months because there cashier has to make a "livable wage".

And you had the term correct, I just don't understand how it's defined. Livable according to who? Enough to rent a van to sleep in and make ramen on a hot plate? Well this person has 6 kids, they've got to make a lot more than a single person. Do we ship people out to the cheapest parts of the country? People love to shout people down with their moral buzzwords with no way of implementing them without disastrous effects

If you're not paying someone a living wage for full-time work, you're exploiting them. You're actively perpetuating their poverty. I don't think that should be allowed. If the entrepreneur can't stay open when he pays a living wage, it's a bad business.
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REMercsChamp
09/26/18 9:00:22 AM
#144:


scar the 1 posted...
Isoflurane posted...
Have you ever started a business? They scrape by for the first years. This is the type of legislation that would develop more monopolies by allowing the the bigger companies to try out new ideas than an entrepreneur who can't stay open after 6 months because there cashier has to make a "livable wage".

And you had the term correct, I just don't understand how it's defined. Livable according to who? Enough to rent a van to sleep in and make ramen on a hot plate? Well this person has 6 kids, they've got to make a lot more than a single person. Do we ship people out to the cheapest parts of the country? People love to shout people down with their moral buzzwords with no way of implementing them without disastrous effects

If you're not paying someone a living wage for full-time work, you're exploiting them. You're actively perpetuating their poverty. I don't think that should be allowed. If the entrepreneur can't stay open when he pays a living wage, it's a bad business.

"Living wage"

>Detached house
>Nice car
>Netflix, latest video game consoles with newest game library, movies
>Eating at nice restaurants

etc etc
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scar the 1
09/26/18 9:04:25 AM
#146:


REMercsChamp posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Isoflurane posted...
Have you ever started a business? They scrape by for the first years. This is the type of legislation that would develop more monopolies by allowing the the bigger companies to try out new ideas than an entrepreneur who can't stay open after 6 months because there cashier has to make a "livable wage".

And you had the term correct, I just don't understand how it's defined. Livable according to who? Enough to rent a van to sleep in and make ramen on a hot plate? Well this person has 6 kids, they've got to make a lot more than a single person. Do we ship people out to the cheapest parts of the country? People love to shout people down with their moral buzzwords with no way of implementing them without disastrous effects

If you're not paying someone a living wage for full-time work, you're exploiting them. You're actively perpetuating their poverty. I don't think that should be allowed. If the entrepreneur can't stay open when he pays a living wage, it's a bad business.

"Living wage"

>Detached house
>Nice car
>Netflix, latest video game consoles with newest game library, movies
>Eating at nice restaurants

etc etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_wage
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REMercsChamp
09/26/18 9:09:00 AM
#147:


scar the 1 posted...
REMercsChamp posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Isoflurane posted...
Have you ever started a business? They scrape by for the first years. This is the type of legislation that would develop more monopolies by allowing the the bigger companies to try out new ideas than an entrepreneur who can't stay open after 6 months because there cashier has to make a "livable wage".

And you had the term correct, I just don't understand how it's defined. Livable according to who? Enough to rent a van to sleep in and make ramen on a hot plate? Well this person has 6 kids, they've got to make a lot more than a single person. Do we ship people out to the cheapest parts of the country? People love to shout people down with their moral buzzwords with no way of implementing them without disastrous effects

If you're not paying someone a living wage for full-time work, you're exploiting them. You're actively perpetuating their poverty. I don't think that should be allowed. If the entrepreneur can't stay open when he pays a living wage, it's a bad business.

"Living wage"

>Detached house
>Nice car
>Netflix, latest video game consoles with newest game library, movies
>Eating at nice restaurants

etc etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_wage

You don't deserve anything man. No one's obligated to pay you whatever wage you deem acceptable. You need to work and apply yourself to have a successful life. There's a success story in this thread among the 100+ posts complaining that life isn't fair and how we need communism.
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BlackWoman462-X
09/26/18 9:13:53 AM
#148:


These young adults need to make better choices in life.

If minwage is all you can get, time to live accordingly.
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Darksaber310
09/26/18 9:19:46 AM
#149:


DarkProto05 posted...
ModLogic posted...
same millennials think they are entitled to tips when they sign up for random wage jobs then throw stupid tantrums when rng doesn't go their way.

Thank you someone gets it.
Edit: Including tips waiters make at least 50k in New York while fast food workers make no more than 30k. Yet this board defends tipping to no end and acts entitled when they don't get 20%. And they have the nerve to bitch at fast food workers who want more. Both jobs are in the same class, waiters aren't better.


I'm sure every waiter in nyc averages that amount, lol. Certainly none make 22 baseline and are lucky to see another 4-5 in the year. Double down that the tip issue isn't for or about New York. It's about the 26 other states where you're paid 2.13 an hour and your weekly checks range from cents to negative. Where the entirety of your money comes from tips, and people like you advocate for the nationwide abolishment of the practice so you can save $4 when you eat out, lol.
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SweetieBelle462
09/26/18 9:20:13 AM
#150:


scar the 1 posted...
It'll always baffle me that there are some who seriously think that people who work a full time job don't deserve a livable wage.


Why isn't your wage livable? What is your budget like?

Oh right, you don't budget and spend every dollar immediately, still cry for socialism.

Ugh
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scar the 1
09/26/18 9:32:30 AM
#152:


SweetieBelle462 posted...
scar the 1 posted...
It'll always baffle me that there are some who seriously think that people who work a full time job don't deserve a livable wage.


Why isn't your wage livable? What is your budget like?

Oh right, you don't budget and spend every dollar immediately, still cry for socialism.

Ugh

I get a living wage. Actually I get more than a living wage. But I live in a country where full-time jobs give living wages. So IDK what you're talking about
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