Current Events > Millennials think they deserve $20 an hour to flip burgers at Wendys

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EdgeMaster posted...

I dont like hands on government but this is the one case I feel like it is acceptable for the government to step in and tell private businesses fuck you, you cant charge $6 for a loaf of bread because minimum wage is now a living wage. Try it and well fuck you so hard with fines and taxes you wont have $2 to buy bread.

This is exactly why Venezuela is a disastrous mess right now.

Valesa posted...

Caution999 posted...

If you're gonna get paid $20.00 an hour then I expect my order to be right tbh

They'd probably care to get your order right if they made that much tbh.

All my management classes keep making an emphasis that money is not a motivator. Once you get used to $20/hr you go right back to fucking around. Money incentives only work for jobs with commission.
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Here's my thing:

Let's say we get $20 minimum wage for Wendys. Ok, so, now everyone is currently making $15-19 an hour at some office is now going to be applying for a job at Wendys.

Congratulations. You just worked yourself out of a job.
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It'll always baffle me that there are some who seriously think that people who work a full time job don't deserve a livable wage.
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The robots, they're coming for your jobs!

Get ready world, you'll need high intelligence, hard work capabilities, diligence, and creativity to beat the robot
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scar the 1 posted...

It'll always baffle me that there are some who seriously think that people who work a full time job don't deserve a livable wage.

Define livable wage
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John_Galt posted...

scar the 1 posted...

It'll always baffle me that there are some who seriously think that people who work a full time job don't deserve a livable wage.

Define livable wage

No
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scar the 1 posted...

It'll always baffle me that there are some who seriously think that people who work a full time job don't deserve a livable wage.

So a fast food worker should be able to get paid the same as an entry level tech worker just to keep up with inflation.

FFVII_REMAKE posted...

Didn't they just get a $15/he minimum wage law pass?

no? maybe where you live but not nationally no. $7.25/hr
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FFVII_REMAKE posted...

scar the 1 posted...

It'll always baffle me that there are some who seriously think that people who work a full time job don't deserve a livable wage.

So a fast food worker should be able to get paid the same as an entry level tech worker just to keep up with inflation.

A full time worker should be able to make a living wage.
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scar the 1 posted...

It'll always baffle me that there are some who seriously think that people who work a full time job don't deserve a livable wage.

Its wild to me
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It's really weird watching people seriously advocating for wage slavery.
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EzeDoesIt posted...

Min. Wage *should* be $20+, the corporations are fucking us as usual. Its called a livable wage, anything less than that is just theft of life.

it's a double edged sword. increase worker wages everything goes up even rent. doesn't even fix the issue there's no reasonable places to live. there's even that guy in vancouver seeing his rent go up because of goddamn foreign nationals. he's probably going to have to go farther north to escape em.
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FrisbeeDude posted...

Imagine being such a bootlicker, you troll people who advocate for a livable wage for full time employees.

When flipping burgers becomes an unique and bankable skill, they can ask for more money. Also every wage is livable. iPhone bills and internet dont factor into livable.
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Fenrimis posted...

All my management classes keep making an emphasis that money is not a motivator. Once you get used to $20/hr you go right back to fucking around. Money incentives only work for jobs with commission.

Or fear of being fired / replaced
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FFVII_REMAKE posted...

DarkProto05 posted...

Those attacking people who want $20 an hour for a fast food job. How do you feel about waiters demanding a 20% tip?

Let's look at this from the perspective of someone living in a city and not the middle of no where.

Big difference between getting paid $20 an hour vs. Having the option to tip 20%

It's not because a tip isn't very optional these days. People are ostracized and ridiculed and are made to feel guilty about not tipping.

I live in New York and have friends who work in fast food and who are waiters. The fast food workers who work overtime get about $30,000 a year. The average waiter gets $50,000. The average waiter gets much more that highest earning fast food guy. Let's face it waiters are overpaid because of tips.
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kingdrake2 posted...

EzeDoesIt posted...

Min. Wage *should* be $20+, the corporations are fucking us as usual. Its called a livable wage, anything less than that is just theft of life.

it's a double edged sword. increase worker wages everything goes up even rent. doesn't even fix the issue there's no reasonable places to live. there's even that guy in vancouver seeing his rent go up because of goddamn foreign nationals. he's probably going to have to go farther north to escape em.

As it is right now, both edges are hilt deep in the American worker's ribcage.
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Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

Imagine being such a bootlicker, you troll people who advocate for a livable wage for full time employees.

When flipping burgers becomes an unique and bankable skill, they can ask for more money. Also every wage is livable. iPhone bills and internet dont factor into livable.

Frankly, I'd rather that the people who handle my food weren't overworked, underpaid and disgruntled.
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Kineth posted...

Frankly, I'd rather that the people who handle my food weren't overworked, underpaid and disgruntled.

Don't worry, we'll slowly replace them all with robots
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Kineth posted...

Frankly, I'd rather that the people who handle my food weren't overworked, underpaid and disgruntled.

Don't worry, we'll slowly replace them all with robots

And here comes more welfare.

Also, people still gotta cook the food.
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spudger posted...

*yawns*

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Kineth posted...

Frankly, I'd rather that the people who handle my food weren't overworked, underpaid and disgruntled.

Don't worry, we'll slowly replace them all with robots

Good fucking lazy losers thinking they deserve to live like the cast of friends cause they never achieved something and work a meaningless job.

Questionmarktarius posted...

EdgeMaster posted...

I dont like hands on government but this is the one case I feel like it is acceptable for the government to step in and tell private businesses fuck you, you cant charge $6 for a loaf of bread because minimum wage is now a living wage. Try it and well fuck you so hard with fines and taxes you wont have $2 to buy bread.

This is exactly why Venezuela is a disastrous mess right now.

I know Venezuela is a shit hole with a crashed economy but Ill be honest, Im unfamiliar with the specifics.

Im skeptical on this though, seeing as a banana costs as much as a fucking car. Or Im being lied to from venezualians who make videos describing their country on the internet.

Either way I have no intention of visiting.
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This topic seems unprovoked and knee-jerk.
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Wendy's to now require college degree to flip burgers
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AvlButtslam posted...

Wendy's to now require college degree to flip burgers

Exactly.

"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."

1. I think pushing for more technology for doing these jobs is a bad idea. Kineth had a point with more people being on Welfare.

2. By pushing up the hourly rate to $20.00/hr for this job, suddenly, people that aren't getting paid that much with College degrees elsewhere are going to line up to fill out job applications for Wendys. This, essentially, would make a Wendys job ...requiring a College degree.
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Supposedly there's a minimum wage worker shortage

https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-taco-bell-fast-food-turnover-technology-2018-4

Maybe they should pay 20$ instead of having a massive turnover rate.
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But see the problem is that Wendy's doesn't HAVE to pay their employees that low, considering how much profit they take in year after year and how much of those profits go towards corporate versus people at store level.

But Wendy's, like every other big corporation, exists solely to maximize profit and minimize cost short-term, even if that means their workers can't afford to live.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

Supposedly there's a minimum wage worker shortage

https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-taco-bell-fast-food-turnover-technology-2018-4

Maybe they should pay 20$ instead of having a massive turnover rate.

Who would have thought that paying your workers like shit while expecting them to do 4 jobs would cause them to not want to work there for long.
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Kineth posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

Supposedly there's a minimum wage worker shortage

https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-taco-bell-fast-food-turnover-technology-2018-4

Maybe they should pay 20$ instead of having a massive turnover rate.

Who would have thought that paying your workers like shit while expecting them to do 4 jobs would cause them to not want to work there for long.

Retail functions off of a revolving door of workers. They can pay shit wages while demanding the most from their employees, with the knowledge that anybody who's unhappy with it can easily be replaced by some Joe Schmoe off the street.

Unfortunately, they didn't account for the fact that their poor reputation would turn people away, and minimum wage shit jobs are literally a dime a dozen so there's nothing stopping them from just outright leaving the minute they reach their breaking point.
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EdgeMaster posted...

I know Venezuela is a shit hole with a crashed economy but Ill be honest, Im unfamiliar with the specifics.

Wage floors alongside price controls are a potentially disastrous combination, and usually are.
It's a catastrophic combination when runaway hyperinflation causes currency to lose half its value in about a day and a half.

EdgeMaster posted...

Im skeptical on this though, seeing as a banana costs as much as a fucking car. Or Im being lied to from venezualians who make videos describing their country on the internet.

You're only getting half the details. A banana today costs what a car did about two weeks ago or so.

FrisbeeDude posted...

scar the 1 posted...

It'll always baffle me that there are some who seriously think that people who work a full time job don't deserve a livable wage.

Its wild to me

Every single job, no matter what it is, should make "a livable wage" (whatever that means) if they work 40 hours?
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Kineth posted...

And here comes more welfare.

This is a significant cause for concern.
If robots chase away all the unskilled labor, who now have nothing really to do but be poor, that's just setting up a french-revolution-style mass uprising, if not worse.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Kineth posted...

And here comes more welfare.

This is a significant cause for concern.
If robots chase away all the unskilled labor, who now have nothing really to do but be poor, that's just setting up a french-revolution-style mass uprising, if not worse.

The two ways to deal with that are

1. Universal Basic Income

2. A.I. kill drones
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Kineth posted...

And here comes more welfare.

This is a significant cause for concern.
If robots chase away all the unskilled labor, who now have nothing really to do but be poor, that's just setting up a french-revolution-style mass uprising, if not worse.

It's already happening today

There aren't mass uprisings of any affect

This isn't the 1700s anymore.
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Let me try to understand the thought process here

>Didn't get any in demand skills for current time period they live in
>End up making minimum wage or being automated
>Threaten to revolt or kill people because of this

And they wonder why they're in poverty. Gee, I can't figure out why.
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If anything, I can see the imprisonment industry booming. When these guys try to kill people because they got automated out of a job we'll need lots of prisons to house them in.
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I can't believe y'all let this weak ass bait get to 90+ posts
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REMercsChamp posted...

It's already happening today

There aren't mass uprisings of any affect

This isn't the 1700s anymore.

Well, okay.
Democracies do it slightly slower, I guess. When the takers outnumber the makers, the takers vote to confiscate more and more from everyone else, until wealth just disappears via some combination of flight, corruption, and collapsed productivity.

Just go look at Greece.

Questionmarktarius posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

It's already happening today

There aren't mass uprisings of any affect

This isn't the 1700s anymore.

Well, okay.
Democracies do it slightly slower, I guess. When the takers outnumber the makers, the takers vote to confiscate more and more from everyone else, until wealth just disappears via some combination of flight, corruption, and collapsed productivity.

Just go look at Greece.

The USA isn't like Greece. Not even close.

Any violent uprisers will just be thrown in prison where they belong
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REMercsChamp posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

It's already happening today

There aren't mass uprisings of any affect

This isn't the 1700s anymore.

Well, okay.
Democracies do it slightly slower, I guess. When the takers outnumber the makers, the takers vote to confiscate more and more from everyone else, until wealth just disappears via some combination of flight, corruption, and collapsed productivity.

Just go look at Greece.

The USA isn't like Greece. Not even close.

Any violent uprisers will just be thrown in prison where they belong

STFU you racist.
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Honestly, when I was working at my first job doing retail at Mervyn's, I expected like $12 - 14/hour just based on the experience of working at Mervyn's.

When I got absolutely no call backs from tons of applications, I had to stop and consider what tangible skills I had from working at Mervyn's. Different companies have different PoS systems, so would have still needed to get trained on the basics at a new retail job.

That's when I started looking at different kinds of jobs. I went to telemarketing... HATED IT. On top of that, a dude in my training class threatened to kill people. Went back to retail because "holy crap, retail is better than telemarketing." Second retail job was worse the 1st by far and they hardly gave me any hours. Went back to a different telemarketing job for a week, then got hired at Dell as a material handler in a factory for $9/hour.

I thought I'd try to stick it out a Dell for a while. Then like a month or two in one of my bosses told me people had been there for 10+ years and still weren't making $12/hour. Dell career plans dashed. Still didn't really have tangible skills.

I then moved to a data entry position for $11/hour. This was super simple and I was REALLY good at it because I typed about 110wpm back then. They wanted us to process 120 records per day, and when I got used to the system I was processing 200 by lunch time. The computers were for business use only, but I'd still be an idiot and browse the internet to take a break. One lady who sat behind me asked my boss out loud, "Does he do his work?" "Very well!" was his response. They fired me for continuing to browse the internet, though, lol. I deserved it.

Then I got a tech support position for $8/hour starting off. I ended up being really good at it and got a few promotions in the 1st year. Starting month 13, I was making $12/hour as a level 2 tech support rep and thought I was moving on up in the world like elevators. I eventually got another raise to $12.50/hour and was in strong consideration to be a level 3 rep for $14/hour. They made a decision to stop promoting people to level 3 and give the level 2s all the level 3's work. $12.50 became the pay ceiling for me there.

I quit that job after 4.25 years and went to a desktop support job for $11/hour + commission. I averaged about $12.20/hour and it was a lot better stress-wise. I could dive in and fix a lot more problems than you're allowed to with ISP support, and I was one of the top tech support agents in our call center.

After about a year and a half of that, I got hired at another company as an entry level NOC tech for $13/hour. I thought I had it made. The job was super low stress because I was working graveyard shifts, and I was learning networking like I had been wanting to do for years. About 6 months into this job, I started studying for Cisco certs.

I got my CCENT and got a raise to $16/hour. I got my CCNA and got a raise to $17/hour. I got my CCNA security and got a raise to $20/hour. They promoted me to network engineer for $50k/year salary. This was my 1st salaried position. I went on to get my CCNP route/switch cert back in 2016 and got hired at my current job as a contractor for $35/hour.

Fast forward two years later, I finally got hired on full time and now I'm at $85k base salary, which is pretty nice.

Long story short, I had to grow the eff up and get some tangible skills to make a decent income.
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CableZL posted...

Long story short, I had to grow the eff up and get some tangible skills to make a decent come.

And now I go to work every day, griping about how far I have to drive and how all the time I could use to spend my wealth is being sucked dry by my crushing career.

Life will never be fun.
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SolidSonicEX posted...

CableZL posted...

Long story short, I had to grow the eff up and get some tangible skills to make a decent come.

And now I go to work every day, griping about how far I have to drive and how all the time I could use to spend my wealth is being sucked dry by my crushing career.

Life will never be fun.

I like my job a lot, actually. It's stressful sometimes, like when the internet goes down, but... The super stressful times are relatively rare. It's so much better than churning through call after call in a tech support environment or churning through trouble ticket after trouble ticket as a NOC tech.
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This topic would have been exponentially more interesting if the topic title was "fart" and the opening post was "nt"
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I work as a development lab manager and unofficial IA systems analyst for a Fortune 500 company.

Sometimes I wonder if I really have the fortitude for working in IT given how easily I get burnt out by things going wrong.
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CableZL posted...

Honestly, when I was working at my first job doing retail at Mervyn's, I expected like $12 - 14/hour just based on the experience of working at Mervyn's.

When I got absolutely no call backs from tons of applications, I had to stop and consider what tangible skills I had from working at Mervyn's. Different companies have different PoS systems, so would have still needed to get trained on the basics at a new retail job.

That's when I started looking at different kinds of jobs. I went to telemarketing... HATED IT. On top of that, a dude in my training class threatened to kill people. Went back to retail because "holy crap, retail is better than telemarketing." Second retail job was worse the 1st by far and they hardly gave me any hours. Went back to a different telemarketing job for a week, then got hired at Dell as a material handler in a factory for $9/hour.

I thought I'd try to stick it out a Dell for a while. Then like a month or two in one of my bosses told me people had been there for 10+ years and still weren't making $12/hour. Dell career plans dashed. Still didn't really have tangible skills.

I then moved to a data entry position for $11/hour. This was super simple and I was REALLY good at it because I typed about 110wpm back then. They wanted us to process 120 records per day, and when I got used to the system I was processing 200 by lunch time. The computers were for business use only, but I'd still be an idiot and browse the internet to take a break. One lady who sat behind me asked my boss out loud, "Does he do his work?" "Very well!" was his response. They fired me for continuing to browse the internet, though, lol. I deserved it.

Then I got a tech support position for $8/hour starting off. I ended up being really good at it and got a few promotions in the 1st year. Starting month 13, I was making $12/hour as a level 2 tech support rep and thought I was moving on up in the world like elevators. I eventually got another raise to $12.50/hour and was in strong consideration to be a level 3 rep for $14/hour. They made a decision to stop promoting people to level 3 and give the level 2s all the level 3's work. $12.50 became the pay ceiling for me there.

I quit that job after 4.25 years and went to a desktop support job for $11/hour + commission. I averaged about $12.20/hour and it was a lot better stress-wise. I could dive in and fix a lot more problems than you're allowed to with ISP support, and I was one of the top tech support agents in our call center.

After about a year and a half of that, I got hired at another company as an entry level NOC tech for $13/hour. I thought I had it made. The job was super low stress because I was working graveyard shifts, and I was learning networking like I had been wanting to do for years. About 6 months into this job, I started studying for Cisco certs.

I got my CCENT and got a raise to $16/hour. I got my CCNA and got a raise to $17/hour. I got my CCNA security and got a raise to $20/hour. They promoted me to network engineer for $50k/year salary. This was my 1st salaried position. I went on to get my CCNP route/switch cert back in 2016 and got hired at my current job as a contractor for $35/hour.

Fast forward two years later, I finally got hired on full time and now I'm at $85k base salary, which is pretty nice.

Long story short, I had to grow the eff up and get some tangible skills to make a decent income.

Great story - really shows the absurdity of people who want to drop out of high school in grade 9 and flip burgers thinking it entitles them to a detached house and a nice car.
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REMercsChamp posted...

Great story - really shows the absurdity of people who want to drop out of high school in grade 9 and flip burgers thinking it entitles them to a detached house and a nice car.

So when do you have the right to complain about your money and how you deserve better than what you have? When can you say you work harder for what you're getting back in life?
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