Current Events > Queer teens are now the majority. Goodbye straight people

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https://mic.com/articles/137713/queer-teens-are-now-the-majority-goodbye-straight-people#.Kn8YWb821

We are moving towards a genderless world.

yes more traps and andro girls
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Good
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Metro2 posted...

https://mic.com/articles/137713/queer-teens-are-now-the-majority-goodbye-straight-people#.Kn8YWb821

We are moving towards a genderless world.

So? Why do you care? Does it affect you personally in some way?
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the scaling bad
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Only X number identified as completely at one extreme of the scale? OH NOES!
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I'll just pack my bags

*boards straight train*
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I dont believe that for a second
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Dubious.
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BRB moving to Latin America where things are still right.

I'm just messing around
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I'm kinda surprised that it's acceptable to call gay people "queer" now...

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

yes more traps and andro girls

I hope not... ;_;
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The poll only counts you as straight if you say you're a zero (100% hetero). I would put myself as a one (the scale is out of six where six is super gay) but to claim I'm LGBTQ for that seems inaccurate.
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Do you know how many guys and girls I went to school with that claimed to be gay and are now in a straight relationship? Once they reach adulthood they tend to grow out of it.
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I also do know a person that goes by "they" only and it's extremely annoying, our language has us hardcoded to call someone a girl if they look like a girl and vise versa
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The only thing I have an issue with is sex changes at early ages. I think there is a good argument to be made that younger then 18 could be an option to make the transition easier growing up, but there has to be an age bar at some point, but where is it?

I would really like to hear the opinions of people that have spoken about this because I want to know how many people at the age of 16 wanted a sex change, but then changed their mind. Both kinds. I want to hear from the people that didn't have the change and the people that did. I mean really, how many are there that changed their minds? It has to be really low. 16 seems like a logical bar, but could it be lower?

People really need to start being honest about this stuff, I think. I think it's really good that so many children right now are labeling themselves that, because then we will have more facts on the subject to make better judgements. We will know how many children change their minds growing up and how many don't. I bet a lot of them don't change their minds. but there still has to be an age limit because I don't want this to becoming a choice that parents get to make post-birth. If they get ways to alter the sex pre-birth, then that's a whole other subject, lol

But I don't want a parent to jump to conclusions when their 5-year old male child starts playing with "girl" things and gives him a sex change. And I also don't want children to get sex changes because it's a trend, and that's what people do. It's not an exaggeration that kids do a lot of things when they were younger and thought was something fun to do and regret it later in life, and unlike in the past, this is a huge thing to do.

tl;dr -

I'm happy that we're getting this information because, imo, it will help everyone better understand this subject and find out when it's a good age to allow them to make the change. I think this because I don't think many teenagers are going to change their minds once it's made up, but we need numbers to back that up. We need to know how many people who wanted a sex change while they were still teenagers and still wanted to or did when they became an adult. Same with younger children. Let them be open and honest and he will get a better understanding of growing up
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Age 25, when your brain stops developing and is a full adult brain.
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KlRBEH posted...

I dont believe that for a second

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I don't think teens are the best demographic to measure.
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Here's an interesting article about using the pronoun they from a parent's perspective:

https://tinyurl.com/yauyatle

Esrac posted...

I don't think teens are the best demographic to measure.

I disagree

I think we should really find out about this, do good study on it, and then match the numbers and see if they still match up latter in life. I think this is information we need to better understand when it would be okay to let them make this choice. And which age
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Bad_Mojo posted...

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From my recollection, studies showed a 90%-60% detransition rate for people who transitioned as pre-pubescent to teens, decreases to 20% for people who transition after they hit their 20s.
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Parents need to stick to the Binary He/She terminology.

If the progeny / child persists in their desires to be a Trans past the age of 25, then let them legally start taking the hormone therapy / treatments / surgery at that point in their lives.

Until then, they are to grow up as normal Binary Children.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Parents need to stick to the Binary He/She terminology.

If the progeny / child persists in their desires to be a Trans past the age of 25, then let them legally start taking the hormone therapy / treatments / surgery at that point in their lives.

Until then, they are to grow up as normal Binary Children.

You are legally an Adult at 18 so go with that instead of arbaterally going with 25.
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Nobody is giving kids sex changes, fucking listen to trans people about the steps involved and ages necessary for those steps instead of spreading false information

@Bad_Mojo
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spikethedevil posted...

You are legally an Adult at 18 so go with that instead of arbaterally going with 25.

Legal restrictions can be placed on any person, adult or not.

The age of 25 wasn't chosen arbitrarily.
https://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/02/18/at-what-age-is-the-brain-fully-developed/
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24173194

That's why I want legal restrictions on what biological procedures / drugs / treatments can be done until a person has gone past the age of 25.

If they still feel that they need to transition, so be it once they are >= 25.
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Welp, there goes the population
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@gunplagirl posted...

Nobody is giving kids sex changes, fucking listen to trans people about the steps involved and ages necessary for those steps instead of spreading false information

@Bad_Mojo

Bad_Mojo posted...

I would really like to hear the opinions of people that have spoken about this

I'm trying to

Did you even read what I said? You took one thing that I said I hope dosen't happen (didn't say it is), said it isn't happening in a way that seems like you think I'm a bad person for thinking that. I'm on your side, why does it feel like you're treating me like a piece of shit?

My God, I used to think it would be cool to meet you, but you seem like a toxic person
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Cis people trying to dictate to trans people how to live their lives. Classic. Y'all need to believe trans youth more when they come out.

This is based off the Kinsey scale and Kinsey was full of shit.
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Metro2 posted...

Cis people trying to dictate to trans people how to live their lives. Classic. Y'all need to believe trans youth more when they come out.

Basically. Fear mongering when cis people years ago created a massive system of gate keeping that prevents adult trans people from getting the care they need just for transition.
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Bad_Mojo posted...

@gunplagirl posted...

Nobody is giving kids sex changes, fucking listen to trans people about the steps involved and ages necessary for those steps instead of spreading false information

@Bad_Mojo

Bad_Mojo posted...

I would really like to hear the opinions of people that have spoken about this

I'm trying to

Did you even read what I said? You took one thing that I said I hope dosen't happen (didn't say it is), said it isn't happening in a way that seems like you think I'm a bad person for thinking that. I'm on your side, why does it feel like you're treating me like a piece of shit?

My God, I used to think it would be cool to meet you, but you seem like a toxic person

There's already plenty of studies showing that the rate that people detransition is low and most of those are people who ARE trans but can't handle being discriminated against so they go back in the closet because they can't get a job and afford to live otherwise. The rate of people who detransition is under 5%, and of that 5% population those who regretted it is under 3% and most of those are people who transitioned late in life, didn't bother with any of the gatekeeping to make sure they're actually trans, and basically a year to the day of them starting hormones they get GCS in Thailand where the work is phenomenal, but the requirements are less strict.
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Bad_Mojo posted...

but you seem like a toxic person

Took you that long to realize?
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Deciding your sexuality too early in your life doesn't seem right to me. Like people said here, the rate of changing their mind later on in their lives is low, but that's probably because they decided upon a certain path of life at an impressionable age. People need to chill a bit, get a wider variety of experiences, see what feels better to them at the end of the road, because so much knowledge is locked away when you're a teen
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I think in the future having such binary descriptions to describe people's sexuality will be considered outdated.
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legendarylemur posted...

Deciding your sexuality too early in your life doesn't seem right to me. Like people said here, the rate of changing their mind later on in their lives is low, but that's probably because they decided upon a certain path of life at an impressionable age. People need to chill a bit, get a wider variety of experiences, see what feels better to them at the end of the road, because so much knowledge is locked away when you're a teen

You don't decide your sexuality.
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spikethedevil posted...

legendarylemur posted...

Deciding your sexuality too early in your life doesn't seem right to me. Like people said here, the rate of changing their mind later on in their lives is low, but that's probably because they decided upon a certain path of life at an impressionable age. People need to chill a bit, get a wider variety of experiences, see what feels better to them at the end of the road, because so much knowledge is locked away when you're a teen

You don't decide your sexuality.

I hear a lot of people say this too and it just sounds like semantics. It's not as if I'm claiming sexuality is a choice or whatever when my post as a whole was about when the person, say, discovers themselves as one sexuality (which the declaration of discovery is an act of choosing). It only comes across to me as an attempt at derailing an entire conversation in a few words
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dave_is_slick posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

but you seem like a toxic person

Took you that long to realize?

Wanting cis people to shut up and actually listen to trans people on trans issues is toxic?
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gunplagirl posted...

There's already plenty of studies showing that the rate that people detransition is low and most of those are people who ARE trans but can't handle being discriminated against so they go back in the closet because they can't get a job and afford to live otherwise. The rate of people who detransition is under 5%, and of that 5% population those who regretted it is under 3% and most of those are people who transitioned late in life, didn't bother with any of the gatekeeping to make sure they're actually trans, and basically a year to the day of them starting hormones they get GCS in Thailand where the work is phenomenal, but the requirements are less strict.

Which is what I agreed with. I think that once they make the choice early in life, that not a lot of them change their minds. So I don't get why you attacked me the way you did. It was hateful, even though so far I've been in agreement with you and your opinions.
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Metro2 posted...

https://mic.com/articles/137713/queer-teens-are-now-the-majority-goodbye-straight-people#.Kn8YWb821

We are moving towards a genderless world.

Yeah, that looks like a totally reliable source and not a blog where someone pulled something out of their ass.
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Bad_Mojo posted...

gunplagirl posted...

There's already plenty of studies showing that the rate that people detransition is low and most of those are people who ARE trans but can't handle being discriminated against so they go back in the closet because they can't get a job and afford to live otherwise. The rate of people who detransition is under 5%, and of that 5% population those who regretted it is under 3% and most of those are people who transitioned late in life, didn't bother with any of the gatekeeping to make sure they're actually trans, and basically a year to the day of them starting hormones they get GCS in Thailand where the work is phenomenal, but the requirements are less strict.

Which is what I agreed with. I think that once they make the choice early in life, that not a lot of them change their minds. So I don't get why you attacked me the way you did. It was hateful, even though so far I've been in agreement with you and your opinions.

The problem is your wording is still incorrect and harmful. "once they make the choice early in life" is explicitly saying it's a choice when it's really not. It's more like "choose between having a broken leg and being in constant pain the rest of your life or get it treated and be able to walk, but people stare at you funny."
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gunplagirl posted...

The problem is your wording is still incorrect and harmful. "once they make the choice early in life" is explicitly saying it's a choice when it's really not. It's more like "choose between having a broken leg and being in constant pain the rest of your life or get it treated and be able to walk, but people stare at you funny."

The choice to have the operation, not the choice to who they are
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I'm still dealing with gatekeeping myself, being a trans person. It's frustrating dealing with the legal bureaucracy to get my treatment.

Bad_Mojo posted...

gunplagirl posted...

The problem is your wording is still incorrect and harmful. "once they make the choice early in life" is explicitly saying it's a choice when it's really not. It's more like "choose between having a broken leg and being in constant pain the rest of your life or get it treated and be able to walk, but people stare at you funny."

The choice to have the operation, not the choice to feel that way

That's still not a choice, it's more like

Camp A: people who need surgery and can afford it
Camp B: people who need it and can't afford it
Camp C: people who need it but give up on ever getting it because they can't afford it
Camp D: people who don't need it or want it
And camp E: people who don't need or want it but got forced into it

It's still not a choice which camp you end up in. Seriously.
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replace "super" with ":special snowflake"
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I call it population control.
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gunplagirl posted...

That's still not a choice, it's more like

Camp A: people who need surgery and can afford it
Camp B: people who need it and can't afford it
Camp C: people who need it but give up on ever getting it because they can't afford it
Camp D: people who don't need it or want it
And camp E: people who don't need or want it but got forced into it

It's still not a choice which camp you end up in. Seriously.

Yep, you're from Portland alright. Offended at every little thing

I am 100% on your side, but you're still offended by me. This is the last conversation we have. I wish you luck in your life
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gunplagirl posted...

Camp A: people who need surgery and can afford it
Camp B: people who need it and can't afford it
Camp C: people who need it but give up on ever getting it because they can't afford it

Camp's A/B/C should be able to start some sort of group buy in "Trans Health Insurance" to help make the procedures cheaper for all Trans who can legally transition.
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This is perfectly fine and acceptable...but the TC just had to make it ugly. Why are you so angry at "straight" people?
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Bad_Mojo posted...

gunplagirl posted...

That's still not a choice, it's more like

Camp A: people who need surgery and can afford it
Camp B: people who need it and can't afford it
Camp C: people who need it but give up on ever getting it because they can't afford it
Camp D: people who don't need it or want it
And camp E: people who don't need or want it but got forced into it

It's still not a choice which camp you end up in. Seriously.

Yep, you're from Portland alright. Offended at every little thing

I am 100% on your side, but you're still offended by me. This is the last conversation we have. I wish you luck in your life

"I'm on your side but I insist that even though I have zero experience being trans, I know better than you. And by knowing better than you I'm actually a hero and on your side."

Oh, now where have I heard that "you don't want to lose a fan like me it'll be your biggest mistake" line before? That's right, Stan by Eminem.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Camp A: people who need surgery and can afford it
Camp B: people who need it and can't afford it
Camp C: people who need it but give up on ever getting it because they can't afford it

Camp's A/B/C should be able to start some sort of group buy in "Trans Health Insurance" to help make the procedures cheaper for all Trans who can legally transition.

"Why don't these people who are still legally able to be discriminated against and thus often below extreme poverty levels simply create an insurance company that's expensive to start and requires hiring people with years of experience to do so?"
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