Poll of the Day > Johannson will not play transgender character after some backlash

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she has said she won't play that transgender man after backlash. Do you agree with her doing this?

I wouldnt have a problem with her playing one, but I am okay with her not wanting to play one

This completely ruins my "Scarlett Johansson with a dick" fantasy.
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They want a real Johansson with a Johnson
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movie that was already gonna flop will flop harder now lol

does the LGBTQ community realize that transgenders are such a minority that no matter what they do there will always be a microscopic amount of them in the grand scheme of things?
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Problem now is that theyll go with a trans actor to try and do right by the person the film is based on but without a big name it likely wont make much money

So executives will look at that result for years and come to the conclusion that they shouldnt hire trans actors for major roles because they dont draw audiences
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How does pose handle it? Are all their actors transgendered?

NightMareBunny posted...

does the LGBTQ community realize that transgenders are such a minority that no matter what they do there will always be a microscopic amount of them in the grand scheme of things?

And out of those, how many are actors? How many of those trans actors are even any good?
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KaptainKiro posted...

movie that was already gonna flop will flop harder now

Mead posted...

Problem now is that theyll go with a trans actor to try and do right by the person the film is based on but without a big name it likely wont make much money

So executives will look at that result for years and come to the conclusion that they shouldnt hire trans actors for major roles because they dont draw audiences

Both of these.

With an added dash of "Casting for real life genitals and life circumstances rather than for talent will almost certainly result in a vastly inferior performance, which in turn will be a negative for the implied cause", because it's not as if there's a plethora of top-tier trans actors running around in Hollywood at the moment.


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It's obviously going to hurt the movie, but that's what you get when go that route. And the LGBT activists who pushed for this are idiots because ultimately fewer films about LGBT issues are going to result in less acceptance. And the complaint is stupid on a fundamental level since this can also just come down to a matter of what a person identifies as rather than anything really concrete where there might be an issue
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I think real tans folk should play trans characters but with that said I don't care.
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Mead posted...

Problem now is that theyll go with a trans actor to try and do right by the person the film is based on but without a big name it likely wont make much money

So executives will look at that result for years and come to the conclusion that they shouldnt hire trans actors for major roles because they dont draw audiences

But they wouldnt have hired any trans actors anyway if it did well with Johansson.

If anything, any future products about trans people will cast them because the backlash was THAT bad
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I think it's stupid that she should bow down to the SJW assholes that give everyone they try to "help" a petty whiner label. Fringe people with debatable sanity should not be making any decisions until they can function without the need for a safe space or their parents' money.

I'm not talking about trans people. I'm talking about SJWs.
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I think, if you were ok with a white woman (Scarlett Johansson) playing an Asian character (the Major) you are a racist.
Also, if you had a problem with a black man (Idris Elba) playing a white character (the gunslinger) you are a racist.
Wait... Something about that doesn't sound right.

Hollywood is too white.
Bollywood is too ...
No, that's not right either.

Maybe, people need to lighten the fuck up. Who cares if we got a black gunslinger, white Major, female Ghostbusters or a "diverse" version of star wars.
The fact that all of those movies were mediocre at best is why they should have been panned. Not some prissy left or right wing agenda.

Can you guess how I feel about SJ playing a trans character?
The answer would have been, is the movie good?

PK_Spam posted...

Mead posted...

Problem now is that theyll go with a trans actor to try and do right by the person the film is based on but without a big name it likely wont make much money

So executives will look at that result for years and come to the conclusion that they shouldnt hire trans actors for major roles because they dont draw audiences

But they wouldnt have hired any trans actors anyway if it did well with Johansson.

If anything, any future products about trans people will cast them because the backlash was THAT bad

Hollywood is very risk adverse so if anything this backlash is gonna make a lot of studios want to avoid the subject of trans individuals in film altogether
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Unrepentant posted...

I think, if you were ok with a white woman (Scarlett Johansson) playing an Asian character (the Major) you are a racist.
Also, if you had a problem with a black man (Idris Elba) playing a white character (the gunslinger) you are a racist.
Wait... Something about that doesn't sound right.

But The Major is supposed to be Asian. Like its even a thing in the movie that we see shes supposed to be Asian.

The Gunslinger is just a guy. His race has nothing to do with his character or where hes from, so he could be played by anyone.

Yall always get upset when a black character takes what would be thought of as a traditionally white character, but then you all ignore the shoehorned in white protagonists (looking at you Gods of Egypt) or the white actors who take roles that are LITERALLY Asian people.
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PK_Spam posted...

Unrepentant posted...

I think, if you were ok with a white woman (Scarlett Johansson) playing an Asian character (the Major) you are a racist.
Also, if you had a problem with a black man (Idris Elba) playing a white character (the gunslinger) you are a racist.
Wait... Something about that doesn't sound right.

But The Major is supposed to be Asian. Like its even a thing in the movie that we see shes supposed to be Asian.

The Gunslinger is just a guy. His race has nothing to do with his character or where hes from, so he could be played by anyone.

Yall always get upset when a black character takes what would be thought of as a traditionally white character, but then you all ignore the shoehorned in white protagonists (looking at you Gods of Egypt) or the white actors who take roles that are LITERALLY Asian people.

I get the impression you didn't read or comprehend what I wrote.
Despite your dismissal of the gunslinger being a white character, it is a fact, that he was.
You also insinuate that I, "y'all", got upset about Idris playing the gunslinger. I like Idris Elba and thought he was possibly the only redeaming quality of the gunslinger.
My post was that whiny left wingers (you) and whiny right wingers (the ones that were upset about Idris before the movie even came out) should start judging art on its merits and not based on race or sex.
Do you understand now?

What even is this. No one cares about her.
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Only real Jedis should play a Jedi. Mork Hamill is a fraud Jedi.
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Imagine my disbelief when I found out Scarlet was not a Black Widow nor superhero in real life!!
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At the very least, they should hire a man to play a trans man. Preferably a trans man, but a cis man at the bare minimum.

Those of you complaining that trans actors are hard to find are missing that part: they should not hire a woman to play a man. Some people will still complain if they hire a cis man, yes, but that's far better than hiring a woman for the part.
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PK_Spam posted...

Unrepentant posted...

I think, if you were ok with a white woman (Scarlett Johansson) playing an Asian character (the Major) you are a racist.
Also, if you had a problem with a black man (Idris Elba) playing a white character (the gunslinger) you are a racist.
Wait... Something about that doesn't sound right.

But The Major is supposed to be Asian. Like its even a thing in the movie that we see shes supposed to be Asian.

The Gunslinger is just a guy. His race has nothing to do with his character or where hes from, so he could be played by anyone.

Yall always get upset when a black character takes what would be thought of as a traditionally white character, but then you all ignore the shoehorned in white protagonists (looking at you Gods of Egypt) or the white actors who take roles that are LITERALLY Asian people.

Just for the record there is actually a pretty important relationship with another major character in The Dark Tower that does involve race, mainly him being a white male.

Unrepentant posted...

I think, if you were ok with a white woman (Scarlett Johansson) playing an Asian character (the Major) you are a racist.
Also, if you had a problem with a black man (Idris Elba) playing a white character (the gunslinger) you are a racist.
Wait... Something about that doesn't sound right.

Hollywood is too white.
Bollywood is too ...
No, that's not right either.

Maybe, people need to lighten the fuck up. Who cares if we got a black gunslinger, white Major, female Ghostbusters or a "diverse" version of star wars.
The fact that all of those movies were mediocre at best is why they should have been panned. Not some prissy left or right wing agenda.

Can you guess how I feel about SJ playing a trans character?
The answer would have been, is the movie good?

I refuse to take any part of this post seriously
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PK_Spam posted...

If anything, any future products about trans people will cast them because the backlash was THAT bad

Highly unlikely. In reality, nobody will want to touch the projects at all. You're strictly worse off for that result since, if it became more mainstream, the roles would open up because more roles would be available. However, thanks to this, fewer movies are likely to be made and thus fewer roles become available.

And, again, something like transgenderism or sexuality is far, far less of a casting issue than race.
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PK_Spam posted...

The Gunslinger is just a guy. His race has nothing to do with his character or where hes from, so he could be played by anyone.

Big White Daddy.
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guess beggars really can be choosers.
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Mead posted...

Unrepentant posted...

I think, if you were ok with a white woman (Scarlett Johansson) playing an Asian character (the Major) you are a racist.
Also, if you had a problem with a black man (Idris Elba) playing a white character (the gunslinger) you are a racist.
Wait... Something about that doesn't sound right.

Hollywood is too white.
Bollywood is too ...
No, that's not right either.

Maybe, people need to lighten the fuck up. Who cares if we got a black gunslinger, white Major, female Ghostbusters or a "diverse" version of star wars.
The fact that all of those movies were mediocre at best is why they should have been panned. Not some prissy left or right wing agenda.

Can you guess how I feel about SJ playing a trans character?
The answer would have been, is the movie good?

I refuse to take any part of this post seriously

why, though? it's all art open to interpretation isn't it? are people not allowed to have their own vision of something anymore?

..is the movie good?
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Unrepentant posted...

I think, if you were ok with a white woman (Scarlett Johansson) playing an Asian character (the Major) you are a racist.
Also, if you had a problem with a black man (Idris Elba) playing a white character (the gunslinger) you are a racist.
Wait... Something about that doesn't sound right.

Hollywood is too white.
Bollywood is too ...
No, that's not right either.

Maybe, people need to lighten the fuck up. Who cares if we got a black gunslinger, white Major, female Ghostbusters or a "diverse" version of star wars.
The fact that all of those movies were mediocre at best is why they should have been panned. Not some prissy left or right wing agenda.

Can you guess how I feel about SJ playing a trans character?
The answer would have been, is the movie good?

The only people who have a problem with Heimdall being black are comic book fans who don't think anything should be different. It is never about racism.
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Revelation34 posted...

Unrepentant posted...

I think, if you were ok with a white woman (Scarlett Johansson) playing an Asian character (the Major) you are a racist.
Also, if you had a problem with a black man (Idris Elba) playing a white character (the gunslinger) you are a racist.
Wait... Something about that doesn't sound right.

Hollywood is too white.
Bollywood is too ...
No, that's not right either.

Maybe, people need to lighten the fuck up. Who cares if we got a black gunslinger, white Major, female Ghostbusters or a "diverse" version of star wars.
The fact that all of those movies were mediocre at best is why they should have been panned. Not some prissy left or right wing agenda.

Can you guess how I feel about SJ playing a trans character?
The answer would have been, is the movie good?

The only people who have a problem with Heimdall being black are comic book fans who don't think anything should be different. It is never about racism.

I think you're partially right. There are always outliers, though.
I think it exasperates the whole situation when people notice the hypocrisy of saying you should never cast white people to roles that are not traditionally white and you need to cast other races into traditionally white roles. It seems like different rules for different colours of people. Which could easily be taken as bigotry.
Which is part of what I was pointing out in my initial post.
To your point though, and I'm probably biased, I liked Heimdall's portrayal in the Thor movies. Had Scarlett Johansson done a better job, in a better movie, I would have been fine with Ghost in the shell.

FatalAccident posted...

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Zelda
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Revelation34 posted...

Unrepentant posted...

I think, if you were ok with a white woman (Scarlett Johansson) playing an Asian character (the Major) you are a racist.
Also, if you had a problem with a black man (Idris Elba) playing a white character (the gunslinger) you are a racist.
Wait... Something about that doesn't sound right.

Hollywood is too white.
Bollywood is too ...
No, that's not right either.

Maybe, people need to lighten the fuck up. Who cares if we got a black gunslinger, white Major, female Ghostbusters or a "diverse" version of star wars.
The fact that all of those movies were mediocre at best is why they should have been panned. Not some prissy left or right wing agenda.

Can you guess how I feel about SJ playing a trans character?
The answer would have been, is the movie good?

The only people who have a problem with Heimdall being black are comic book fans who don't think anything should be different. It is never about racism.

the same people that get upset if you made a black character white, wouldn't get upset about making a white character black.
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NightMareBunny posted...

does the LGBTQ community realize that transgenders are such a minority that no matter what they do there will always be a microscopic amount of them in the grand scheme of things?

The ones that don't go around causing trouble for everyone else do. Their not on Twitter though. Probably too busy actually contributing to society
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NightMareBunny posted...

does the LGBTQ community realize that transgenders are such a minority that no matter what they do there will always be a microscopic amount of them in the grand scheme of things?

Stop actin like vocal minority's speak for a group.
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NightMareBunny posted...

does the LGBTQ community realize that transgenders are such a minority that no matter what they do there will always be a microscopic amount of them in the grand scheme of things?

This, exactly.....

This is going to be a case of "Get Woke, Go Broke" again....

So the LGBTQP groups wants a real trans acting in this movie, but honestly of all the A-list (even B-list actors) there isn't any "real" trans actors who could sell this movie to the masses. Scarlett Johansson would've brought some star power to the movie, could've been an Oscar nod of a role and movie itself; and still would've gave the "representation" these groups wanted.

Now because of this fake outrage from SJWs, the studio is in a bind..... The director can't scrap the film because then the outrage would continue citing prejudices. And they can't find a WORTHY actor to tackle the role and fulfill the vision the director had for the film.

So now they're going to crank this movie out, with a no name actor that isn't going to sell the movie. At best they'll fish someone out of the E-Hollywood tabloid circuit to fill the role, and turn the whole film into a propganda for these LGBTQP fringe groups.

THEN you're going to get these market analyzers that's going to come to the conclusion that this film will bring in a paltry few million (barely breaking even with the budget of the film, at best), but also predict that they could've brought in revenue that doubles the production budget at best if Scarlett Johansson was in the film.
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Unrepentant posted...

Maybe, people need to lighten the fuck up

What did you just say?!
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

the same people that get upset if you made a black character white, wouldn't get upset about making a white character black.

Nope.
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Golden Road posted...

At the very least, they should hire a man to play a trans man. Preferably a trans man, but a cis man at the bare minimum.

Those of you complaining that trans actors are hard to find are missing that part: they should not hire a woman to play a man. Some people will still complain if they hire a cis man, yes, but that's far better than hiring a woman for the part.

Maybe they should hire Seth Rogen. They love him!
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Alternate title...

Johansson doesn't want a johnson because it will flop
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because it's ok if she plays gay, a spy, a genius, an ai, a dog, a snake, etc... but playing a trans man, that's not ok, ok?

Revelation34 posted...

The only people who have a problem with Heimdall being black are comic book fans who don't think anything should be different. It is never about racism.

Or at least being different with no explanation.

They're essentially the gods of the Norse, who pretty explicitly look LIKE the Norse did in their mythology. Hogun (one of the Warriors Three) is pretty clearly Asian, but most comic fans don't care a) because he's Asian/Eastern European in the comics, and b) because there is a literal canon in-universe explanation for why he's there in the comics.

In the movies, it's literally never explained or even commented upon by anyone that one of the most important people in their social structure looks radically different than everyone else there (a similar scenario that happens again with Valkyrie later). A single throwaway line about how Heimdall was originally from a different one of the Nine Worlds, or a reference to being from a different pantheon (ie, the exact same reason Hogun is different) could have justified it pretty easily, but instead everyone just pretends it shouldn't matter because no one wants to talk about it.

Even most comic fans can accept things in the movies being different from the comics if there's a good reason why, that has more substance than "It's for diversity, also, shut up". Often, fans can even latch on to explanations or justifications in the movies so ardently they wind up bleeding back into the comics and becoming canon there as well.

The fact that they cast Idris Elba (who is awesome) helped defuse some of the flack, but honestly, it's not inherently racist to say you'd like a character to either look like they do in the comics, or at least justify why they don't look like you'd expect them to.



PK_Spam posted...

But The Major is supposed to be Asian. Like its even a thing in the movie that we see shes supposed to be Asian.

But with that particular issue, you run into an entirely different problem. Namely, that anime uses a very particular style (originally based on Disney cartoons). In way too many anime, even the most Asian of characters look like they're from Western Europe.

So you can SAY that she's Asian within the context of the story, but if almost every visual ever drawn of the character makes her look white as fuck, why would casting her as an actual Asian fit better than casting someone who looks like the way the character is drawn? It might be more culturally appropriate, but you aren't likely to find any Asian actress who LOOKS like the Major does in the manga or anime unless they're themselves at least Eurasian to some degree.

That being said, the irony is that Ghost in the Shell is one of the few franchises where this shouldn't matter in any way, because the entire point of the story is that the meat isn't the person. The "Ghost" is the real person, and the body is the "shell" - and is absolutely interchangeable, replaceable, and modifiable. She's NOT in her real body, so it shouldn't matter who or what she looks like anyway, because the shell can literally look like anything.

You could cast a golden retriever in the role and just imply she's an Asian woman's mind in the body of a robot dog and it would be just as thematically appropriate. Her "ghost" could be inside a car, or a Roomba, or a man's body, and it would still be HER.


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The Major is Asian except her cyborg body is white so it's a completely different situation.
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Revelation34 posted...

The Major is Asian except her cyborg body is white so it's a completely different situation.

how is this a different situation though?

CwebbMichSac4 posted...

how is this a different situation though?

Because the body is white so it doesn't matter if a white person played her.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

That being said, the irony is that Ghost in the Shell is one of the few franchises where this shouldn't matter in any way, because the entire point of the story is that the meat isn't the person. The "Ghost" is the real person, and the body is the "shell" - and is absolutely interchangeable, replaceable, and modifiable. She's NOT in her real body, so it shouldn't matter who or what she looks like anyway, because the shell can literally look like anything.

PO... are you arguing about transhumanism?

I should run an Eclipse Phase game for you to show you how great it is.
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hmm
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Revelation34 posted...

CwebbMichSac4 posted...

how is this a different situation though?

Because the body is white so it doesn't matter if a white person played her.

oh the body is white, there you go, you've solved it dude

TES_Nut posted...

NightMareBunny posted...

does the LGBTQ community realize that transgenders are such a minority that no matter what they do there will always be a microscopic amount of them in the grand scheme of things?

The ones that don't go around causing trouble for everyone else do. Their not on Twitter though. Probably too busy actually contributing to society

again they are too small of a group to be represented much in any media....their existence requires expensive surgery to get where thy wish to be
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I love the amount of "it will clearly hurt the movie," from people who were never going to see the movie under any circumstances anyway.

Literally none of you know if the movie will be any good (no matter who the actor was) or if it would make any money (no matter who the actor was).

If you exclude marvel movies, she hasn't appeared in a live action movie that grossed over 50 million in America since 2014. The idea that movie stars bring people to the movies isn't nearly as accurate as it once was.
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