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NibeIungsnarf
07/10/18 7:51:19 PM
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Can you just explain to me like a normal person without going into absurd rhetoric why someone shouldn't be fired for openly disparaging their consumerbase?
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Mal_Fet
07/10/18 7:52:11 PM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
Nobody at Arenanet is safe from the hand of Reddit. Were literally running the company now, theyre in fear of the very users they seek to consort with ... The moment a dev steps out of line or try to talk back to a player, guess what, theyll know we got their hands on their throat and we can squeeze any time we like.

Lol she fucking insulted a customer who disagreed with a public tweet of hers.

Imagine if a Starbucks employee yelled at a customer and called him a sexist because he suggested a better way to froth milk. Imagine if she later went on her social media account and blasted the guy for "telling her how to do her job" when all he did was politely offer input.

Imagine then that a bunch of losers on a blogsite released two articles about this incident and said Starbucks was the unreasonable one for firing this obviously unhinged person.

Prices response to his tweet was more aggressive than the situation called for, but Deroirs tweet doesnt exist in a vacuum. Prices anger is the result of a long history of men in gaming who try to explain the jobs of women in development to them, and makes perfect sense in that context. While Deroir may not have been the worst example of that trend, his tweet definitely exists in the proud tradition of male gamers talking down to the women who make their games. Prices response makes perfect sense in that context, and is the sort of social media venting that is hardly seen as scandalous in 2018.

"If a man did something bad to you in the past, then it is reasonable to treat all men like shit"

Just fuck off.
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devilminion
07/10/18 7:53:19 PM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
devilminion posted...
Fluttershy462 posted...
Huh? Why is there still drama about this?


Because Polygon decided to double-down and post another article about it today, specifically to defend their damsel in distress.


the neckbeard is strong in this post


I'm sorry that I'm not the type of person to post multiple lengthy articles to defend a person who was clearly in the wrong simply because of their anatomy.
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FLUFFYGERM
07/10/18 7:53:43 PM
#55:


look at Buzzfeed's toxic and dishonest garbage article

https://www.buzzfeed.com/krishrach/people-are-uninstalling-this-game-after-it-fired-a-woman

they found a couple tweets with like two Likes and made it into a headline. LMFAO at how desperate Buzzfeed is for people to uninstall the game.

all the more reason why ima buy the game when i get home.
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FrisbeeDude
07/10/18 8:01:11 PM
#56:


"every journalism outfit that doesn't slam her like the good old boys at reddit did is corrupt!"
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Rimmer_Dall
07/10/18 8:01:17 PM
#57:


Reminder that Price has been fired from every previous job she's had for being an abusive asshole. Including Paizo.
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DarthAragorn
07/10/18 8:02:38 PM
#59:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Anyone else going to buy Guild Wars 2 and all the expansions after seeing how professional and effective ArenaNet is?

I already own GW2 and the expansions but I might shell out for some character slots or something.
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FLUFFYGERM
07/10/18 8:04:51 PM
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Rimmer_Dall posted...
Reminder that Price has been fired from every previous job she's had for being an abusive asshole. Including Paizo.


source?
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halomonkey1_3_5
07/10/18 8:05:26 PM
#61:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Anyone else going to buy Guild Wars 2 and all the expansions after seeing how professional and effective ArenaNet is?

GW2 is thoroughly mediocre

If you like MMOs it's good enough but it doesnt do anything particularly interesting in that space
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FLUFFYGERM
07/10/18 8:05:34 PM
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You know you're a complete embarrassment when you cause me to agree wholeheartedly with Mal.


lol'd

Yeah I don't think I've ever seen most of yall agree with each other

Even Delirious_Beard slammed TC. I'd have expected you two to side with TC.
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FLUFFYGERM
07/10/18 8:06:08 PM
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halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Anyone else going to buy Guild Wars 2 and all the expansions after seeing how professional and effective ArenaNet is?

GW2 is thoroughly mediocre

If you like MMOs it's good enough but it doesnt do anything particularly interesting in that space


That's perfectly fine, I just want to give ArenaNet money. I might even buy a few copies.
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jborgan
07/10/18 8:06:11 PM
#64:


FrisbeeDude posted...
"every journalism outfit that doesn't slam her like the good old boys at reddit did is corrupt!"

Don't know why you're choosing her hill to die on. She tweeted that she was relieved when TotalBiscuit died. She can go fuck herself.
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cjsdowg
07/10/18 8:09:18 PM
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This is so funny, a guy says something so gentle and calls him names. And people defend her. Honestly this is what gave GG steam.

Dammit I sound like those people who say this is why Trump was elected .
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FrisbeeDude
07/10/18 8:09:58 PM
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jborgan posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
"every journalism outfit that doesn't slam her like the good old boys at reddit did is corrupt!"

Don't know why you're choosing her hill to die on. She tweeted that she was relieved when TotalBiscuit died. She can go fuck herself.


and totalbiscuit was team gamergate. he was not above reproach
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Delirious_Beard
07/10/18 8:10:07 PM
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like even a sizable portion of kotaku commentors weren't siding with price

that's when you know you fucked up
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DarthAragorn
07/10/18 8:11:44 PM
#69:


FrisbeeDude posted...
jborgan posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
"every journalism outfit that doesn't slam her like the good old boys at reddit did is corrupt!"

Don't know why you're choosing her hill to die on. She tweeted that she was relieved when TotalBiscuit died. She can go fuck herself.


and totalbiscuit was team gamergate. he was not above reproach

He was certainly a better human being than this woman is
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NibeIungsnarf
07/10/18 8:11:45 PM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
and totalbiscuit was team gamergate. he was not above reproach

How is "I'm glad he's dead" reproach and not toxicity?
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ThePrinceFish
07/10/18 8:15:20 PM
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Really been an eye opener over the past few days about the gaming industry, that's for sure yanma.

Yeah, there sure are a lot of assholes like Price in it.
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Rimmer_Dall
07/10/18 8:21:56 PM
#75:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Rimmer_Dall posted...
Reminder that Price has been fired from every previous job she's had for being an abusive asshole. Including Paizo.


source?

Here's some of her Paizo-related tweets.

https://archive.fo/wCI8T
https://archive.fo/2SgLx
https://archive.fo/o4S4s
https://archive.fo/W3vzm
https://archive.fo/4l8Ed
https://archive.fo/ngwEk
https://archive.fo/X4o6X
https://archive.fo/hSYj8

As you can probably tell, she's the exact same now as she was then.
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Mal_Fet
07/10/18 8:25:08 PM
#76:


Rimmer_Dall posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Rimmer_Dall posted...
Reminder that Price has been fired from every previous job she's had for being an abusive asshole. Including Paizo.


source?

Here's some of her Paizo-related tweets.

https://archive.fo/wCI8T
https://archive.fo/2SgLx
https://archive.fo/o4S4s
https://archive.fo/W3vzm
https://archive.fo/4l8Ed
https://archive.fo/ngwEk
https://archive.fo/X4o6X
https://archive.fo/hSYj8

As you can probably tell, she's the exact same now as she was then.

And Paizo is a pretty left-leaning company. I worked for them running games at ComicCon for 4 years, so I know it for a fact..

Meaning, Price must be a REALLY screwed-up person in general if even they can't put up with her shit.
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gmanthebest
07/10/18 8:25:19 PM
#77:


FrisbeeDude posted...
devilminion posted...
Fluttershy462 posted...
Huh? Why is there still drama about this?


Because Polygon decided to double-down and post another article about it today, specifically to defend their damsel in distress.


You're right and I don't have a counter argument

And?
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WaffIeElite
07/10/18 8:26:21 PM
#78:


Any removal of feminism from any aspect of life is a welcome one.
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Ryo_the_Inferno
07/10/18 8:29:18 PM
#80:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Anyone else going to buy Guild Wars 2 and all the expansions after seeing how professional and effective ArenaNet is?

I already have both expansions, but this pretty much decided for me that I'm getting the next one. I was honestly pretty on the fence before this.
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gmanthebest
07/10/18 8:30:49 PM
#81:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Anyone else going to buy Guild Wars 2 and all the expansions after seeing how professional and effective ArenaNet is?

GW2 is thoroughly mediocre

If you like MMOs it's good enough but it doesnt do anything particularly interesting in that space


That's perfectly fine, I just want to give ArenaNet money. I might even buy a few copies.

If you wanna gift one, I wouldn't say no
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FrisbeeDude
07/10/18 8:34:52 PM
#82:


"totalbiscuit support an anti-feminist movement. his death does not absolve him of criticism"

"why do you think totalbiscuit is trash because he was team gamergate"

...and yall continue to wonder why women and minorities in general how such low regard for the gaming community from a social perspective. sad really
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DarthAragorn
07/10/18 8:36:10 PM
#83:


Well if this topic is any indication it's because they're illiterate morons
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FLUFFYGERM
07/10/18 8:36:32 PM
#84:


But anyway this topic is phenomenal for showing how off the rails SJWs are. They will literally peddle, through violence if possible, any far left narrative. There is nothing off limits for SJWs. Nothing too far to the left. Hopefully this shows some of the left leaning CEmen why people mock SJWs and why "SJW" even exists as an acronym.
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Vyrulisse
07/10/18 8:37:55 PM
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FrisbeeDude what are you doing? You can't be this ignorant. I refuse to believe it.

Anyway, I love how Price tried to say people at A.net are scared now and there's been a "chilling effect" when it's been business as usual. The actual humans there with some sense are still talking to us like they always have and joking around like normal.

She's gone now and it actually feels lighter. I strongly suspect she was toxic to work with as well.
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NibeIungsnarf
07/10/18 8:39:20 PM
#87:


FrisbeeDude posted...
"totalbiscuit support an anti-feminist movement. his death does not absolve him of criticism"

"why do you think totalbiscuit is trash because he was team gamergate"

...and yall continue to wonder why women and minorities in general how such low regard for the gaming community from a social perspective. sad really


SHE DIDN'T CRITICIZE HIM. SHE SAID SHE WAS HAPPY HE WAS DEAD.
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Vyrulisse
07/10/18 8:40:43 PM
#88:


TB didn't even support GG. He said the idea that videogame journalism needs standards is a good one but he didn't agree with the other nonsense.

That's called nuance, Frisbee. Look it up if you don't understand it.
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Delirious_Beard
07/10/18 8:41:17 PM
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totalbiscuit only supported GG initially before the whackos hijacked it
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Esrac
07/10/18 8:43:06 PM
#91:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
look at Buzzfeed's toxic and dishonest garbage article

https://www.buzzfeed.com/krishrach/people-are-uninstalling-this-game-after-it-fired-a-woman

they found a couple tweets with like two Likes and made it into a headline. LMFAO at how desperate Buzzfeed is for people to uninstall the game.

all the more reason why ima buy the game when i get home.


#GamergateDidNothingWrong

But seriously, that and the Polygon article in the OP are pretty much entirely bullshit.
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Esrac
07/10/18 8:45:26 PM
#92:


gmanthebest posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Anyone else going to buy Guild Wars 2 and all the expansions after seeing how professional and effective ArenaNet is?

GW2 is thoroughly mediocre

If you like MMOs it's good enough but it doesnt do anything particularly interesting in that space


That's perfectly fine, I just want to give ArenaNet money. I might even buy a few copies.

If you wanna gift one, I wouldn't say no


I, too, would accept a copy if he's looking to buy a round.
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Vyrulisse
07/10/18 8:46:58 PM
#93:


One good thing came from the Buzzfeed article, this comment:


Megan Fraser
People don't seem to understand: Jessica's visceral reaction to anyone daring to say anything other than complete agreement with her didn't happen in a vacuum. She wasn't fired for this one incident. All one has to do is go through Jessica Price's history to see a type of douchey behavior and anger-filled hypocrisy and lashing out that spans years. She spends her whole time on social media decrying the very type of behavior she herself exhibits, and has no situational awareness to that fact.

We're talking about a woman who cheered TotalBiscuit dying. We're talking about a woman who went on a crusade to try to shut down a charity that used gaming to raise money to feed the homeless because the owners of the club kept their group apolitical and wouldn't allow ultra-prog agenda driving that had nothing to do with their hobby by advertising some 3rd wave feminist convention. Think about that: She attacked a ==CHARITY==. We're talking about a woman that basically with every post insults somebody or denigrates the entire industry for harmless reasons she blows out of proportions. By any measure, she's an abjectly terrible human being. Her latest salvo was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

She doesn't speak for all women, and she sure as hell doesn't speak for me. If anything, her diatribes and spewing of hatred just harms the very cause she claims to represent. She's a nasty, terrible, worthless person, and karma finally scored a point. Anybody who uninstalled Guild Wars as a result of this (all 4 of them amongst the entire player base), I'm sure this is a win for every other player. Because for all the talk she makes about toxicity in gaming, she's just about the most toxic thing in it herself.

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Rimmer_Dall
07/10/18 8:49:56 PM
#94:


AHAHAHAHA! Check this out!

https://archive.fo/XUvn5#selection-1645.0-1651.1
Links to:
https://archive.fo/UIZ5N

CAUGHT RED-HANDED LYING! They quote the troll-post as though it was serious, but they accidentally link to the archived post where he admits it was a troll post instead of the troll-post itself!
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Vyrulisse
07/10/18 8:51:19 PM
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I knew that post was a troll when I first saw it. It's so dramatic and reads like a Bond villain how could anyone fall for it? lol
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Cookie Bag
07/10/18 8:51:37 PM
#96:


Yeah but checking her whole twitter history takes effort and is actual research and not "muh feels" kind of reaction the people that are defending her are having lol.

Anyways glad this trash got fired after her shitty attitude leaked into the professional field, hopefully sets an example.
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voldothegr8
07/10/18 8:51:53 PM
#97:


Vyrulisse posted...
One good thing came from the Buzzfeed article, this comment:


Megan Fraser
People don't seem to understand: Jessica's visceral reaction to anyone daring to say anything other than complete agreement with her didn't happen in a vacuum. She wasn't fired for this one incident. All one has to do is go through Jessica Price's history to see a type of douchey behavior and anger-filled hypocrisy and lashing out that spans years. She spends her whole time on social media decrying the very type of behavior she herself exhibits, and has no situational awareness to that fact.

We're talking about a woman who cheered TotalBiscuit dying. We're talking about a woman who went on a crusade to try to shut down a charity that used gaming to raise money to feed the homeless because the owners of the club kept their group apolitical and wouldn't allow ultra-prog agenda driving that had nothing to do with their hobby by advertising some 3rd wave feminist convention. Think about that: She attacked a ==CHARITY==. We're talking about a woman that basically with every post insults somebody or denigrates the entire industry for harmless reasons she blows out of proportions. By any measure, she's an abjectly terrible human being. Her latest salvo was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

She doesn't speak for all women, and she sure as hell doesn't speak for me. If anything, her diatribes and spewing of hatred just harms the very cause she claims to represent. She's a nasty, terrible, worthless person, and karma finally scored a point. Anybody who uninstalled Guild Wars as a result of this (all 4 of them amongst the entire player base), I'm sure this is a win for every other player. Because for all the talk she makes about toxicity in gaming, she's just about the most toxic thing in it herself.

I hope she gets blackballed from the industry.
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NeonOctopus
07/10/18 8:52:11 PM
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Delirious_Beard
07/10/18 8:52:49 PM
#99:


Vyrulisse posted...
I knew that post was a troll when I first saw it. It's so dramatic and reads like a Bond villain how could anyone fall for it? lol


i mean after the unironic "they targeted gamers" reddit post anything is possible

that said the post in question was downvoted and mocked

using it as a representation of the fanbase is all kinds of comical
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cjsdowg
07/10/18 8:55:18 PM
#100:


NeonOctopus posted...
This is why Trump won


Dammit
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Vyrulisse
07/10/18 8:56:10 PM
#101:


I guess Frisbee abandoned ship. You tried fella.
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Doe
07/10/18 8:56:35 PM
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They really used that edgy meme reddit post for their article. Who the hell actually game journalists seriously anymore?
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