Poll of the Day > GW2: Another example of "Get Woke, Go Broke" RIP Jessica Price

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Lil69Leo posted...

She did admit it wasn't misogynistic which was funny.

Yeah, it sounds more now like she knows she fucked up with dropping the identity politics, but instead of full out apologizing to all the REAL women out there for piggy-backing on their real struggles, she uses classic misdirection and blames Anet's HR policy and procedures.

This girl has no shame whatsoever, it's getting comical.

"Going on vacation now"

...yeah, right? Where? The Unemployment Line? lol
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Joker_X_II posted...

...yeah, right? Where? The Unemployment Line? lol

There are plenty of converged companies that will be eager to snap her up for the sake of virtue signalling.
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Lil69Leo posted...

When you have your company info listed and go on social media you are a representative of that company.

You literally sign a code of conduct to behave like a proper adult if it's listed.

Moreso when most of your posts are literally discussing your work at that company, and the person you're shitting on is a major fan/customer of that company, who is trying to discuss that exact same work with you.

Worse - one thing people aren't really talking about is that the guy in question has been a major fan of the game and company for so long, and so tied into their media presence, that they've literally named a character in the game after him.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deroir

So being forced to choose between one psychotic game writer who is flinging shit at everything that moves on her Twitter, and who seems incapable of anything resembling introspection or self-awareness, or a content creator who has been nothing but complimentary of the game and who has arguably been far better at marketing the game than she ever has, and who clearly seems to have been genuinely attempting to be polite and respectful in his responses, I'm probably picking him over her every single time.

She's a PR nightmare. Even if this particular situation could have been damped down and she kept her job, it was only a matter of time before the next bombshell got set off and started the next fire. She pretty much HAD to go.


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Rimmer_Dall posted...

Joker_X_II posted...

...yeah, right? Where? The Unemployment Line? lol

There are plenty of converged companies that will be eager to snap her up for the sake of virtue signalling.

Probably Gearbox.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Rimmer_Dall posted...

Joker_X_II posted...

...yeah, right? Where? The Unemployment Line? lol

There are plenty of converged companies that will be eager to snap her up for the sake of virtue signalling.

Probably Gearbox.

Or BioWare these days.

At least until EA dismantles them after Anthem tanks.


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ParanoidObsessive posted...

No, but 100% of what he said was factually wrong, at a time he really shouldn't have been saying it. That's what hurt him more than anything.

He stepped into a situation that didn't concern him, and it blew up in his face. In and of itself, without context and completely isolated from all other factors, no, what he said wasn't really worth firing. But in context, it helped exacerbate the situation and made him a target, while the other person involved was/is constantly throwing gasoline on to an already blazing fire and screaming her own self-perceived martyrdom.

There is literally no way he was walking away from this unscathed. And honestly, there's no real way he could have walked away from it unscathed without hurting the company's public image. He was doomed the moment he posted that message, and it's very much a "fair, next" situation.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again - if people don't like the idea that one stray thought or comment can destroy their entire life as the masses turn against them for it, they need to stay the fuck off Twitter. Like it or not, there is an implicit responsibility and acceptance of potential consequences when you post publicly on social media, especially when you do so in a capacity that reflects upon your employer. And yes, that employer is absolutely justified in cutting you the fuck loose if your own behavior has made you a PR liability in a business that is like 90% PR-driven.

If he'd posted as "Peter Fries, private individual" he probably would have been fine. But he posted as "Peter Fries, Guild Wars writer" (while she herself was creating the firestorm as "Jessica Price, Guild Wars writer", he was effectively representing the company in a public space.

Perhaps next time, he'll think harder before throwing himself on the grenade for someone causing a massive PR shitstorm almost entirely by her own actions. It will be valuable life experience for his next job.

How is saying "they didn't ask for an opinon" factually wrong at all?

Lil69Leo posted...

When you have your company info listed and go on social media you are a representative of that company.

Citation needed.
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https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1000045432007938048?lang=en
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Kimbos_Egg posted...

https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1000045432007938048?lang=en

We know.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

At least until EA dismantles them after Anthem tanks.

You act as if you don't have much faith in "Destiny - but not in space"

Revelation34 posted...

How is saying "they didn't ask for an opinon" factually wrong at all?

By saying things in a place where other people can get to it you're asking for an opinion. No one could possibly be daft enough to think otherwise. If you don't want an opinion on it, lock that diary in a drawer or encrypt it. Not to mention he's a hypocrite, no one asked for his opinion, yet there he is. Hypocrisy being even worse than any idiocy she was displaying, that's probably what got him shitcanned.

Red_Frog posted...

By saying things in a place where other people can get to it you're asking for an opinion. No one could possibly be daft enough to think otherwise. If you don't want an opinion on it, lock that diary in a drawer or encrypt it. Not to mention he's a hypocrite, no one asked for his opinion, yet there he is. Hypocrisy being even worse than any idiocy she was displaying, that's probably what got him shitcanned.

That's not how anything works. Anybody can respond but it doesn't mean people are actually asking them to respond unless somebody actually does.
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Revelation34 posted...

Red_Frog posted...

By saying things in a place where other people can get to it you're asking for an opinion. No one could possibly be daft enough to think otherwise. If you don't want an opinion on it, lock that diary in a drawer or encrypt it. Not to mention he's a hypocrite, no one asked for his opinion, yet there he is. Hypocrisy being even worse than any idiocy she was displaying, that's probably what got him shitcanned.

That's not how anything works. Anybody can respond but it doesn't mean people are actually asking them to respond unless somebody actually does.

Of course it is. Denying it won't make it any less true.

Revelation34 posted...

How is saying "they didn't ask for an opinon" factually wrong at all?

Because like it or not, when you are posting in a public space where literally everyone on the planet has the option to respond to everything you say, you're abso-fucking-lutely asking for opinions, even if only implicitly. Emphasized by the fact that, when she GOT those opinions in the past and they either agreed with what she was saying or outright praised her, she was perfectly willing to accept those opinions and continue to interact with those people. It wasn't until she (wrongfully) considered a response to be personally insulting and contrary that she flipped her shit, threw her tantrum, and whined about people who have the audacity to respond to her posts (and acted like everyone who dared to disagree with her or even question her ideas in any way was talking down to her).

And you're missing the second part, where he explicitly said "these are our private social media accounts" (which they very much aren't), with the implication that no one else really has the right to response to their posts - when Twitter is pretty much the quintessential opposite of that.

And if that was what she (or he) actually wanted, she could easily have set her Twitter to private, or stuck to posting on private forums or other non-public forms of social media. Conversely, she could have written up her ideas as an article and posted them on some static form of media rather than posting them in a format that literally exists solely to facilitate the ebb and flow of discussion between multiple people in a public space.

It's exactly the same as when people make a topic on PotD, get responses they don't like, and then complain about not asking people for their opinions - and then get absolutely shit on for it. We all implicitly understand that by posting in a place like this, you are inviting response from others - whether you like that response or not. And that demanding people only reply if they agree with what you're saying or otherwise want to praise your ideas or be supporting is pretty much an invitation to have your teeth kicked in.

If you don't want people responding to your posts, you should probably STOP POSTING ON THE INTERNET.

Again, solely without context and within their own isolated sphere, his posts weren't that bad. But they were wrong, tone-deaf as fuck, and posted at precisely the wrong time and in the wrong place. And thus he got caught up in the backlash when if he'd just kept his head down and his mouth shut, he would still be working there. Like it or not, actions have consequences. Those consequences don't always seem fair, or even proportional, but that's life.


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Red_Frog posted...

Of course it is. Denying it won't make it any less true.

Nope. Not how it works.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Because like it or not, when you are posting in a public space where literally everyone on the planet has the option to respond to everything you say, you're abso-fucking-lutely asking for opinions, even if only implicitly. Emphasized by the fact that, when she GOT those opinions in the past and they either agreed with what she was saying or outright praised her, she was perfectly willing to accept those opinions and continue to interact with those people. It wasn't until she (wrongfully) considered a response to be personally insulting and contrary that she flipped her shit, threw her tantrum, and whined about people who have the audacity to respond to her posts (and acted like everyone who dared to disagree with her or even question her ideas in any way was talking down to her).

And you're missing the second part, where he explicitly said "these are our private social media accounts" (which they very much aren't), with the implication that no one else really has the right to response to their posts - when Twitter is pretty much the quintessential opposite of that.

And if that was what she (or he) actually wanted, she could easily have set her Twitter to private, or stuck to posting on private forums or other non-public forms of social media. Conversely, she could have written up her ideas as an article and posted them on some static form of media rather than posting them in a format that literally exists solely to facilitate the ebb and flow of discussion between multiple people in a public space.

It's exactly the same as when people make a topic on PotD, get responses they don't like, and then complain about not asking people for their opinions - and then get absolutely shit on for it. We all implicitly understand that by posting in a place like this, you are inviting response from others - whether you like that response or not. And that demanding people only reply if they agree with what you're saying or otherwise want to praise your ideas or be supporting is pretty much an invitation to have your teeth kicked in.

If you don't want people responding to your posts, you should probably STOP POSTING ON THE INTERNET.

Again, solely without context and within their own isolated sphere, his posts weren't that bad. But they were wrong, tone-deaf as fuck, and posted at precisely the wrong time and in the wrong place. And thus he got caught up in the backlash when if he'd just kept his head down and his mouth shut, he would still be working there. Like it or not, actions have consequences. Those consequences don't always seem fair, or even proportional, but that's life.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/76785963/905038549
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TL;DR version: Normies need to get off the internet.
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The account might be owned by a private individual, but when you speak in a public forum expect to get a response.
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Revelation34 posted...

Red_Frog posted...

Of course it is. Denying it won't make it any less true.

Nope. Not how it works.

You're literally participating in a thread about how it works, showing that's how it works, and you're still clinging to your wrongness.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Rimmer_Dall posted...

Joker_X_II posted...

...yeah, right? Where? The Unemployment Line? lol

There are plenty of converged companies that will be eager to snap her up for the sake of virtue signalling.

Probably Gearbox.

Or BioWare these days.

At least until EA dismantles them after Anthem tanks.

Maybe for small indy games like Undertale....sold cheap on Steam next to Hentai puzzle games....

But in the AAA or MMO scene, she probably shot herself in the foot doing anything bigger than being on Guild Wars 2.

To EA's credit though, they wouldn't take Price in since not to long ago the staff there hated the fact that Antia Sarkessian was touring the office. Everyone was worried she was going to make them look bad, making the public believe EA is joining in on the SJW agendas and Antia was "overseeing" their progress.

Price is essentially poison...
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Red_Frog posted...

You're literally participating in a thread about how it works, showing that's how it works, and you're still clinging to your wrongness.

You clearly never read my post so you can't talk about somebody being wrong.

Joker_X_II posted...

Maybe for small indy games like Undertale....sold cheap on Steam next to Hentai puzzle games....

But in the AAA or MMO scene, she probably shot herself in the foot doing anything bigger than being on Guild Wars 2.

To EA's credit though, they wouldn't take Price in since not to long ago the staff there hated the fact that Antia Sarkessian was touring the office. Everyone was worried she was going to make them look bad, making the public believe EA is joining in on the SJW agendas and Antia was "overseeing" their progress.

Price is essentially poison...

EA makes itself look bad just by being EA.
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Reading the OP...

She didn't ask for these people's criticisms. Sounds like they were in the wrong to me.
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WarGreymon77 posted...

Reading the OP...

She didn't ask for these people's criticisms. Sounds like they were in the wrong to me.

and they didn't ask for your criticism, either. so who are you to say they're wrong?
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Revelation34 posted...

Nope. Not how it works.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/76785963/905038549

You can keep repeating or reposting the premise, but that doesn't actually make it less wrong.



Red_Frog posted...

You're literally participating in a thread about how it works, showing that's how it works, and you're still clinging to your wrongness.

This is a very interesting point. No one in this thread asked him specifically for his personal opinion, so every single post he makes is literally proving the point he's trying to refute.

So should he continue to post (thus invalidating his argument), or stop posting entirely (effectively conceding his argument)?

It's almost as if the Internet can be inherently unfair sometimes...



KnoxKorner posted...

The account might be owned by a private individual, but when you speak in a public forum expect to get a response.

Moreso when you explicitly label that account with the name of your employer and your role within said company, and also use the account to discuss work-related ideas and concepts 90% of the time.

It would be one thing if she was just talking about her dog and someone came along and told her it was a shit breed and she's terrible at picking dogs, but when you're literally posting about what you do for a living, and someone responds to your specific post and politely discuss what you've said in context, and your response is basically "STOP CONDESCENDING TO ME MOTHERFUCKER!", you are absolutely reflecting poorly on your employer.

You may also need to seek professional psychiatric help, but that's an entirely different discussion.

To be perfectly frank, I consider it no different from going to a local McDonalds and seeing someone wearing a McDonalds uniform standing in the parking lot yelling racial slurs or some other offensive or unacceptable things. It doesn't matter if that employee is off-the-clock at the time, they are absolutely coloring my perception of that particular franchise, and it could easily lead me to start avoiding that specific location in the future.



Amuseum posted...

and they didn't ask for your criticism, either. so who are you to say they're wrong?

So what we're learning here is that everyone on the Internet is wrong 100% of the time.

That actually sounds accurate. Another case solved!


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ParanoidObsessive posted...

You can keep repeating or reposting the premise, but that doesn't actually make it less wrong.

Oh it definitely does. The only time somebody is actually asking for an opinion is when they are actually asking for one. Anybody can still respond since it is in public.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

they are absolutely coloring my perception of that particular franchise, and it could easily lead me to start avoiding that specific location in the future.

Why avoid? Enjoy the show.
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WarGreymon77 posted...

She didn't ask for these people's criticisms. Sounds like they were in the wrong to me.

This is such a weak-ass cop out.....and totally wrong too.

You're on social media, a public....saying again, "PUBLIC" forum.......that point of fact alone, suspends her right to ask for criticism or not.

It was Price's vanity that was ultimately her undoing. She could've just set her Twitter account to private so she can keep her opinions confined solely to her own echo-box, while inviting that few 'friends' and some industry shakers to see what her opinions are and enable the god-hood of her own little world. Instead she left it open, to show the world that so-called 'empowered' women can have fancy jobs working on popular videogames. She shouted at the world, and the world shouted back at her.

....reality popped her bubble, and threatened that display of empowerment.
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