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Roshon
07/05/18 2:52:38 PM
#51:


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Isnt China the racist country that censors out black people from promos? I dont give a shit what those backwards people think.


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KamenRiderBlade
07/05/18 2:54:26 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
He sees this kid who's being tempted by the dark side and thinks "fuck it I'm gonna kill this bitch"? Nuh uh, not buying that.
EXACTLY!!!

This kid, happens to be his Nephew & Star Padawan Protege.

And he's going to judge him before he can turn evil?

When he literally gave his father more of a chance to turn good and was tempted himself?

The writers seriously didn't pay attention to the original trilogy.
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Squall28
07/05/18 2:59:41 PM
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Thinking about something is not the same as doing it. He thought about killing Vader too,and decided not to.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy
07/05/18 3:00:33 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
It's been 30 years and he was absolutely traumatized by how bad Vader got by turning to the dark side. He saw the same power again and worried that it would happen all over again. Considering it actually did, his fears were at least a little bit justified.


See I disagree with that. Luke saw good in Vader, literally saw him turn back to the light. Luke himself was tempted, he almost turned in his final fight with Vader. He personally was on the brink and was able to resist (under a lot more duress as well). He sees this kid who's being tempted by the dark side and thinks "fuck it I'm gonna kill this bitch"? Nuh uh, not buying that.


He was being mentally manipulated by Snoke the entire time. Why do people always forget that?
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darkjedilink
07/05/18 3:03:44 PM
#55:


Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
It's been 30 years and he was absolutely traumatized by how bad Vader got by turning to the dark side. He saw the same power again and worried that it would happen all over again. Considering it actually did, his fears were at least a little bit justified.


See I disagree with that. Luke saw good in Vader, literally saw him turn back to the light. Luke himself was tempted, he almost turned in his final fight with Vader. He personally was on the brink and was able to resist (under a lot more duress as well). He sees this kid who's being tempted by the dark side and thinks "fuck it I'm gonna kill this bitch"? Nuh uh, not buying that.


He was being mentally manipulated by Snoke the entire time. Why do people always forget that?

It's not that we forget it. It's that Ben being manipulated by Snoke. has nothing to do with Luke.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy
07/05/18 3:06:26 PM
#56:


... Luke was being manipulated by Snoke too.

Remember, Luke has had weakness to mind manipulation. So did his father. It's a weakness with the Skywalkers
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MC_BatCommander
07/05/18 3:19:26 PM
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I get the whole mental manipulation thing, I just don't like it being the easy excuse to throw out 3 films of character development. It felt like cheap and lazy writing.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy
07/05/18 3:24:07 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
I get the whole mental manipulation thing, I just don't like it being the easy excuse to throw out 3 films of character development. It felt like cheap and lazy writing.


Just because a character is strong doesn't negate their weaknesses. Luke even said he got arrogant and just assumed that he would be this amazing awesome Jedi Master teaching a new crop of Jedi apprentices. He didn't even think about someone being able to infiltrate his thoughts.

I almost feel like the movie does a great job of showing that even a heroic figure can have failures and faults. It's also incredibly reflective of the weaknesses of his father. You can argue that Luke should have learned from those mistakes and overcome them, but then you get into Mary Sue territory like they did in the Extended Universe where he was almost a god.
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Hulkasaurusrex
07/05/18 3:29:05 PM
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The chosen one saga ended by sjw's congrats morons. Why cant you hateful dumbasses create your own things.
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Sephiroth1288
07/05/18 3:29:17 PM
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
Just because a character is strong doesn't negate their weaknesses. Luke even said he got arrogant and just assumed that he would be this amazing awesome Jedi Master teaching a new crop of Jedi apprentices. He didn't even think about someone being able to infiltrate his thoughts.

I almost feel like the movie does a great job of showing that even a heroic figure can have failures and faults. It's also incredibly reflective of the weaknesses of his father. You can argue that Luke should have learned from those mistakes and overcome them, but then you get into Mary Sue territory like they did in the Extended Universe where he was almost a god.

It doesn't matter, because "Mary Sue" and "child killer" aren't the only two options here.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy
07/05/18 3:31:37 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
Just because a character is strong doesn't negate their weaknesses. Luke even said he got arrogant and just assumed that he would be this amazing awesome Jedi Master teaching a new crop of Jedi apprentices. He didn't even think about someone being able to infiltrate his thoughts.

I almost feel like the movie does a great job of showing that even a heroic figure can have failures and faults. It's also incredibly reflective of the weaknesses of his father. You can argue that Luke should have learned from those mistakes and overcome them, but then you get into Mary Sue territory like they did in the Extended Universe where he was almost a god.

It doesn't matter, because "Mary Sue" and "child killer" aren't the only two options here.


His father was manipulated into murdering a bunch of children. Luke Skywalker was manipulated into seeing another Darth Vader, not feeling like he had the power to stop him, and thus contemplating FOR A MOMENT making sure it didn't happen.

People creating a narrative just to shit all over something they don't like.
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darkjedilink
07/05/18 3:36:52 PM
#62:


Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
... Luke was being manipulated by Snoke too.

Since when?

If Snoke could do that, he'd be the most powerful Force user in history, and we know precisely fuck-all about him, meaning the movie STILL sucks.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
07/05/18 3:37:02 PM
#63:


RebelElite791 posted...
Veggeta X posted...
TC has an awesome link to source

Shh dont interrupt the incel hatejerk


Nah the only people defending it are white knighting the female lead or celebrating diversity.

The people hating realize it's possible to have those things in a good movie.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy
07/05/18 3:39:07 PM
#64:


darkjedilink posted...
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
... Luke was being manipulated by Snoke too.

Since when?

If Snoke could do that, he'd be the most powerful Force user in history, and we know precisely fuck-all about him, meaning the movie STILL sucks.


Snoke specifically said he was manipulating them both. Also, Snoke created a Force Connection between two relatively new force sensitive users a galaxy apart, without at least one of them even wanting it. They couldn't stop it.

How does that not insinuate the kind of power Snoke has with mental manipulation and the Force? Of course he's one of the most powerful force users in the history of the series. His energies are put into mental manipulation, and he does it exceptionally well.
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ehhwhatever
07/05/18 3:40:10 PM
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China just capped the salary of a celebrity, they don't want money to be the only control, so long as the movie makes money and the producers and directors get away with spitting on Americans this will continue. Look at all the end- of the- world movies out there, start capping salaries and watch hollywood's cynical attitude change.
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TommyG663513
07/05/18 3:40:51 PM
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
Just because a character is strong doesn't negate their weaknesses. Luke even said he got arrogant and just assumed that he would be this amazing awesome Jedi Master teaching a new crop of Jedi apprentices. He didn't even think about someone being able to infiltrate his thoughts.

I almost feel like the movie does a great job of showing that even a heroic figure can have failures and faults. It's also incredibly reflective of the weaknesses of his father. You can argue that Luke should have learned from those mistakes and overcome them, but then you get into Mary Sue territory like they did in the Extended Universe where he was almost a god.

It doesn't matter, because "Mary Sue" and "child killer" aren't the only two options here.


His father was manipulated into murdering a bunch of children. Luke Skywalker was manipulated into seeing another Darth Vader, not feeling like he had the power to stop him, and thus contemplating FOR A MOMENT making sure it didn't happen.

People creating a narrative just to shit all over something they don't like.


If only everyone was as smart and objective as you. Where did you get that Snoke was manipulating Luke?

I swear, TLJ defenders tend to just fill in the gaps with their own made up plot elements to justify this film.
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TommyG663513
07/05/18 3:42:55 PM
#67:


Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
... Luke was being manipulated by Snoke too.

Since when?

If Snoke could do that, he'd be the most powerful Force user in history, and we know precisely fuck-all about him, meaning the movie STILL sucks.


Snoke specifically said he was manipulating them both. Also, Snoke created a Force Connection between two relatively new force sensitive users a galaxy apart, without at least one of them even wanting it. They couldn't stop it.

How does that not insinuate the kind of power Snoke has with mental manipulation and the Force? Of course he's one of the most powerful force users in the history of the series. His energies are put into mental manipulation, and he does it exceptionally well.


A lot of good that supposedly did him in the throne room scene. Are we supposed to wait for an explanation for that in the third movie or Snoke: a star wars story?
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Fahren
07/05/18 3:43:03 PM
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If you don't think that the hyperspace ramming completely destroys every semblance of sense that Star Wars made you're a complete idiot.
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KillerKhan420
07/05/18 3:44:22 PM
#69:


I love China
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TommyG663513
07/05/18 3:45:49 PM
#70:


darkjedilink posted...
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
... Luke was being manipulated by Snoke too.

Since when?

If Snoke could do that, he'd be the most powerful Force user in history, and we know precisely fuck-all about him, meaning the movie STILL sucks.


Yeah he is just making that up. Supreme leader said no such thing. Even if true, it'd only make it worse as we have a character that is so obscenely powerful without any explanation who makes Boba Fett's death look dignified.
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darkjedilink
07/05/18 3:57:57 PM
#71:


Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
... Luke was being manipulated by Snoke too.

Since when?

If Snoke could do that, he'd be the most powerful Force user in history, and we know precisely fuck-all about him, meaning the movie STILL sucks.


Snoke specifically said he was manipulating them both. Also, Snoke created a Force Connection between two relatively new force sensitive users a galaxy apart, without at least one of them even wanting it. They couldn't stop it.

How does that not insinuate the kind of power Snoke has with mental manipulation and the Force? Of course he's one of the most powerful force users in the history of the series. His energies are put into mental manipulation, and he does it exceptionally well.

Snoke said he was manipulating Ben and Rey. He never claimed he was manipulating Luke.
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Coffeebeanz
07/05/18 4:37:36 PM
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I got the vibe that Snoke was just full of shit. He swapped from "this is where Rey takes over from Ben! I have forseen it!' to "this is where Ben grows stronger in the dark side, I have forseen it!" in less than 5 minutes.
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spanky1
07/05/18 5:01:46 PM
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I have a bigger problem with the other issue this fine Chinese reviewer pointed out over the Luke thing: the bad guys. They fail as bad guys, and by that I mean they're not convincing. They come off as a joke. Hux is a comedy routine, and Snoke is undeveloped. Kylo is interesting but one guy can only do so much. The new trilogy doesn't have good enough antagonists to deliver the desired level of conflict and drama. It feels so stale and impersonal.
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EnragedSlith
07/05/18 5:10:00 PM
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spanky1 posted...
I have a bigger problem with the other issue this fine Chinese reviewer pointed out over the Luke thing: the bad guys. They fail as bad guys, and by that I mean they're not convincing. They come off as a joke. Hux is a comedy routine, and Snoke is undeveloped. Kylo is interesting but one guy can only do so much. The new trilogy doesn't have good enough antagonists to deliver the desired level of conflict and drama. It feels so stale and impersonal.

The conflict also makes zero sense
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
07/05/18 5:12:52 PM
#76:


TLJ is a shitty movie, its fucking garbage and a shit stain on the SW franchise that disrespects the lore and the characters.

Fuck that movie
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squarion
07/05/18 5:15:34 PM
#77:


KillerKhan420 posted...
I love China


read that in trumps voice
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Jiek_Fafn
07/05/18 5:16:10 PM
#78:


spanky1 posted...
I have a bigger problem with the other issue this fine Chinese reviewer pointed out over the Luke thing: the bad guys. They fail as bad guys, and by that I mean they're not convincing. They come off as a joke. Hux is a comedy routine, and Snoke is undeveloped. Kylo is interesting but one guy can only do so much. The new trilogy doesn't have good enough antagonists to deliver the desired level of conflict and drama. It feels so stale and impersonal.


This is a valid critique of most of the Marvel films as well. Villains often make a movie and the new Star Wars and the MCU struggle with making good ones.
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Coffeebeanz
07/05/18 6:05:50 PM
#79:


EnragedSlith posted...
spanky1 posted...
I have a bigger problem with the other issue this fine Chinese reviewer pointed out over the Luke thing: the bad guys. They fail as bad guys, and by that I mean they're not convincing. They come off as a joke. Hux is a comedy routine, and Snoke is undeveloped. Kylo is interesting but one guy can only do so much. The new trilogy doesn't have good enough antagonists to deliver the desired level of conflict and drama. It feels so stale and impersonal.

The conflict also makes zero sense


The First Order seems less like a legitimate military political force and more like a really advanced terrorist group.
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KamenRiderBlade
07/05/18 10:21:27 PM
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@Coffeebeanz posted...
The First Order seems less like a legitimate military political force and more like a really advanced terrorist group.
Wouldn't they be more like a rogue nation state?
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HorrorJudasGoat
07/05/18 10:32:58 PM
#81:


It's odd that China claims higher IQ when they have never put a man on the moon, invented a new way to fly, or even a new way to move cars.
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Milkman5
07/05/18 10:33:37 PM
#82:


HorrorJudasGoat posted...
It's odd that China claims higher IQ when they have never put a man on the moon, invented a new way to fly, or even a new way to move cars.


China actually has a higher IQ as a nation than America
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07/05/18 10:47:45 PM
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Milkman5
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DeadSite
07/05/18 10:51:21 PM
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Chinese people also hated TDK so
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Milkman5
07/05/18 10:52:03 PM
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Being "educated" has nothing to do with IQ or intelligence.

You can have a 50 IQ and get a degree, what does that mean in terms of intelligence?

IQ is raw thinking ability, not how much you know about liberal arts or whatever the fuck you studied
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Milkman5
07/05/18 10:55:09 PM
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America actually has high IQ states.

States like Montana and North Dakota almost have 105 IQs

but a lot of states like California and Alabama, bring it down.

A lot of people live in Cali and the IQ there is 95...
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Milkman5
07/05/18 10:56:28 PM
#88:


The dumbest states are California, Alabama, New Mexico, Louisiana, Nevada and Missouri
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DeadSite
07/05/18 10:57:34 PM
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DeadSite posted...
Chinese people also hated TDK so
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DoGCyN
07/05/18 11:04:25 PM
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Movie was terrible.

End of story.
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DarthAragorn
07/05/18 11:12:00 PM
#91:


Jiek_Fafn posted...
spanky1 posted...
I have a bigger problem with the other issue this fine Chinese reviewer pointed out over the Luke thing: the bad guys. They fail as bad guys, and by that I mean they're not convincing. They come off as a joke. Hux is a comedy routine, and Snoke is undeveloped. Kylo is interesting but one guy can only do so much. The new trilogy doesn't have good enough antagonists to deliver the desired level of conflict and drama. It feels so stale and impersonal.


This is a valid critique of most of the Marvel films as well. Villains often make a movie and the new Star Wars and the MCU struggle with making good ones.

There's not that many MCU villains that come across as incompetent jokes, though
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jumi
07/05/18 11:40:11 PM
#92:


spanky1 posted...
I have a bigger problem with the other issue this fine Chinese reviewer pointed out over the Luke thing: the bad guys. They fail as bad guys, and by that I mean they're not convincing. They come off as a joke. Hux is a comedy routine, and Snoke is undeveloped. Kylo is interesting but one guy can only do so much. The new trilogy doesn't have good enough antagonists to deliver the desired level of conflict and drama. It feels so stale and impersonal.


The OT had three main bad guys. Tarkin died in the first movie, and the emperor isn't seen until the third movie (and even then, his entire character is "mwahaha, I'm evil!"). Vader was interesting but one guy can only do so much.
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HylianFox
07/05/18 11:41:56 PM
#93:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
When even China hates your movie, you KNOW you fucked up.

really, they even love the Transformers movies
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Tactical_Spork
07/05/18 11:47:22 PM
#94:


Roshon posted...
Roshon posted...
Isnt China the racist country that censors out black people from promos? I dont give a shit what those backwards people think.


Yes, I was right.

Dj5ybut
G9j6zpT

Fuck them.

China doesnt do this, Disney does it for the Chinese market. Both are bad, but know who is really to blame for playing into it.
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HylianFox
07/05/18 11:49:16 PM
#95:


Tactical_Spork posted...
China doesnt do this, Disney does it for the Chinese market. Both are bad, but know who is really to blame for playing into it.


Bingo, gotta cater to the racists for that sweet sweet $$$
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Sad_Face
07/05/18 11:52:05 PM
#96:


Milkman5 posted...
You can have a 50 IQ and get a degree, what does that mean in terms of intelligence?


If your degree is in physics, it means a lot.
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cjsdowg
07/06/18 5:10:47 AM
#97:


Dash_Harber posted...

I don't get how Luke was 'ruined' either.


Luke almost killed a kid in his sleep. Then when his actions blow up in his face he did nothing while millions died. These deaths are all on his hands. Then he comes back as hologram just to die on a rock.
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spanky1
07/06/18 10:29:31 AM
#98:


jumi posted...
spanky1 posted...
I have a bigger problem with the other issue this fine Chinese reviewer pointed out over the Luke thing: the bad guys. They fail as bad guys, and by that I mean they're not convincing. They come off as a joke. Hux is a comedy routine, and Snoke is undeveloped. Kylo is interesting but one guy can only do so much. The new trilogy doesn't have good enough antagonists to deliver the desired level of conflict and drama. It feels so stale and impersonal.


The OT had three main bad guys. Tarkin died in the first movie, and the emperor isn't seen until the third movie (and even then, his entire character is "mwahaha, I'm evil!"). Vader was interesting but one guy can only do so much.

I know you posted this to counter my point, but you kinda proved it honestly by reminding me the OT had better villains. Tarkin was a better, more serious, believable version of Hux with a classic, great actor, Palpatine is one of my favorite movie villains of all time, with an amazingly entertaining performance, and tons of build up to him even if we don't see him until later in the series, and Vader is Vader.

Also, just as a side note here, just wanted to chat about Snoke. Defenders compare him to the Emperor and say that he didn't have a lot of explanation either. But the thing about that, is that when the OT came out, we didn't know what happened in the years before. So we were free to dwell on it, to come up with our own ideas, to bask in the mystery of this character and wonder how he came to be. But with Snoke, we DO know what happened int he years before hand! Darth Vader, the Emperor, the Clone Wars, the rebellion, the Siths, the rule of two, Darth Maul, we know so much! So it's just annoying and frustrating how this guy popped up out of nowhere. Instead of being mysterious, it's just dumb, like, "oh, I guess this super strong force dude was just hanging out in the shadows during all those events?" It's not the same as the Emperor at all.
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Sephiroth1288
07/06/18 12:02:21 PM
#99:


Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
His father was manipulated into murdering a bunch of children. Luke Skywalker was manipulated into seeing another Darth Vader, not feeling like he had the power to stop him, and thus contemplating FOR A MOMENT making sure it didn't happen.

So when Luke later in the movie says that there's no good in Kylo at all and earnestly tries to kill him with his Force-self, was he being manipulated? By who?
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Deadpool_18
07/06/18 4:45:46 PM
#100:


No one cares what China thinks. The country is racist and xenophobic as fuck.
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