Current Events > Chinese fans described The Last Jedi as an insult to the IQ of the audience.

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the Chinese audience weren't at all happy with the movie and think it to be an insult to intelligence.
the most up-voted review having complained that the whole film really insults the IQ of its audience, and the review questions how the universe could possibly be ruled by such an incompetent Galactic Empire: In Star Wars, it seems only Darth Vader had a brain its such a shame hes already dead."

described the new film as visually appealing but riddled with issues such as atypical behavior from established characters. Luke Skywalker was particularly disappointing to Wang, who felt that the characters brooding behavior didnt jibe with the resilience and fearless optimism of the young Luke he had come to know from the original trilogy.

Most chinese fans thought the movie was complete garbage and for brain-dead dummies.

Do you agree with China? Are these accurate statements?

The movie was awful.
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Wasnt Terminator Genesys the biggest movie of all time in China?
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For once the Chinese got it right.
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Chicken posted...

Wasnt Terminator Genesys the biggest movie of all time in China?

no?

and that movie's plot makes more sense than episode 7/8

Milkman5 posted...

Chicken posted...

Wasnt Terminator Genesys the biggest movie of all time in China?

no?

and that movie's plot makes more sense than episode 7/8

Qft
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inb4 insulting China for matters irrelevant to Star Wars
inb4 angry TLJ defense
inb4 insulting the prequels in an effort to make TLJ look better
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Can't wait for KK to explain how the Chinese wouldn't understand due to culture or something equally stupid
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When even China hates your movie, you KNOW you fucked up.
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I disagree, but the obsession and bitterness over this movie on here is insane. Bad movies come out all the time, yet this one apparently is worth talking about for a year.

Dash_Harber posted...

I disagree, but the obsession and bitterness over this movie on here is insane. Bad movies come out all the time, yet this one apparently is worth talking about for a year.

Because Star Wars is one the the longest running franchise out there.
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Dash_Harber posted...

I disagree, but the obsession and bitterness over this movie on here is insane. Bad movies come out all the time, yet this one apparently is worth talking about for a year.

Because it's Star Wars

And it managed to ruin not only the protagonist of the best of the trilogies, but also the logic of all space battles in the series
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

And it managed to ruin not only the protagonist of the best of the trilogies, but also the logic of all space battles in the series

The first is subjective (and I disagree) and the second is false as far as I'm concerned. I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's definitely of similar caliber to the original trilogy, and still miles better than the prequels.

I don't get how Luke was 'ruined' either.

Dash_Harber posted...

The first is subjective (and I disagree) and the second is false as far as I'm concerned. I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's definitely of similar caliber to the original trilogy, and still miles better than the prequels.

Being better than the prequels is nothing to cheer about.

And yes, it absolutely ruined space battle logic. If you could always destroy multiple Star Destroyers by ramming a ship into them at hyperspace, then why did no one ever think to kamikaze droid-controlled ships at enemy battlestations before? That would have made the Battle of Yavin really easy, wouldn't it? And since it's such a useful tactic that was used in the previous film, we should expect everyone to be doing that in Star Wars 9, right?

Dash_Harber posted...

I don't get how Luke was 'ruined' either.

Luke Skywalker was the guy who multiple times stood face-to-face with the second most evil guy in the galaxy, the guy who cut off his hand, who kidnapped Leia, who killed his friends, and insisted there was still some good inside him. And in the end, he was right for believing that when Vader turned on the Emperor.

But in the NT, when Luke thinks that his nephew is going to turn to the dark side, he tries to murder the kid in his sleep.

I don't know about you, but that was just about the best way you could take a character who once stood for hope and make him completely unlikable.
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TLJ is the only SW movie I haven't seen. I'm burnt out on SW. And with a lot of people hating on it I'll probably won't see it.

You should make a Chinese knock off version it would probably be better
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Dash_Harber posted...

I disagree, but the obsession and bitterness over this movie on here is insane. Bad movies come out all the time, yet this one apparently is worth talking about for a year.

People are legitimately convinced it'll be another ESB in retrospect and people are trying to make sure it doesn't become vindicated by history
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

People are legitimately convinced it'll be another ESB

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Sephiroth1288 posted...

But in the NT, when Luke thinks that his nephew is going to turn to the dark side, he tries to murder the kid in his sleep.

I don't know about you, but that was just about the best way you could take a character who once stood for hope and make him completely unlikable.

That also completely broke with the character that he built up in the original trilogy; which makes me wonder if Mark Hamil should've just refused to play his character if they were literally going to kill the logic behind his character through deliberate Plot / Character Assassination.

Luke, as the Uncle & Mentor; shouldn't be written so badly that he would try to kill his own student / nephew.

He should be WAY past that.
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Slayer posted...

TLJ is the only SW movie I haven't seen. I'm burnt out on SW. And with a lot of people hating on it I'll probably won't see it.

You're not missing anything, trust us.
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The prequels are fantastic compared to Nu-Wars, no joke.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

But in the NT, when Luke thinks that his nephew is going to turn to the dark side, he tries to murder the kid in his sleep.

I don't know about you, but that was just about the best way you could take a character who once stood for hope and make him completely unlikable.

That also completely broke with the character that he built up in the original trilogy; which makes me wonder if Mark Hamil should've just refused to play his character if they were literally going to kill the logic behind his character through deliberate Plot / Character Assassination.

Luke, as the Uncle & Mentor; shouldn't be written so badly that he would try to kill his own student / nephew.

He should be WAY past that.

He couldn't refuse, he was under contract. He's publicly fought it as much as possible without breaking his contract. This is another reason real fans started boycotting -- they aren't stupid and respect Hamill enough to read between the lines.
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CreekCo posted...

KamenRiderBlade posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

But in the NT, when Luke thinks that his nephew is going to turn to the dark side, he tries to murder the kid in his sleep.

I don't know about you, but that was just about the best way you could take a character who once stood for hope and make him completely unlikable.

That also completely broke with the character that he built up in the original trilogy; which makes me wonder if Mark Hamil should've just refused to play his character if they were literally going to kill the logic behind his character through deliberate Plot / Character Assassination.

Luke, as the Uncle & Mentor; shouldn't be written so badly that he would try to kill his own student / nephew.

He should be WAY past that.

He couldn't refuse, he was under contract. He's publicly fought it as much as possible without breaking his contract. This is another reason real fans started boycotting -- they aren't stupid and respect Hamill enough to read between the lines.

QFT

Mark Hamills initial reaction was the one that most people eventually felt when watching the movie and he only retracted what he said after it became viral.

Even on his Twitter he only mentions TLJ through memes mostly.
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St0rmFury posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

I disagree, but the obsession and bitterness over this movie on here is insane. Bad movies come out all the time, yet this one apparently is worth talking about for a year.

Because Star Wars is one the the longest running franchise out there.

A franchise where all but 2 films have either been mediocre or complete shit.
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I get they wanted to retire "Luke Skywalker" but they should have put more effort in it.
I get that they wanted to focus on their new people but showing some respect for the old ones would have probably bridged the gap between the old fans and the new series.
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Milkman5 posted...

Do you agree with China?

No. They're being far too kind to the movie.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

CreekCo posted...

KamenRiderBlade posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

But in the NT, when Luke thinks that his nephew is going to turn to the dark side, he tries to murder the kid in his sleep.

I don't know about you, but that was just about the best way you could take a character who once stood for hope and make him completely unlikable.

That also completely broke with the character that he built up in the original trilogy; which makes me wonder if Mark Hamil should've just refused to play his character if they were literally going to kill the logic behind his character through deliberate Plot / Character Assassination.

Luke, as the Uncle & Mentor; shouldn't be written so badly that he would try to kill his own student / nephew.

He should be WAY past that.

He couldn't refuse, he was under contract. He's publicly fought it as much as possible without breaking his contract. This is another reason real fans started boycotting -- they aren't stupid and respect Hamill enough to read between the lines.

QFT

Mark Hamills initial reaction was the one that most people eventually felt when watching the movie and he only retracted what he said after it became viral.

Even on his Twitter he only mentions TLJ through memes mostly.

Then you haven't been paying attention. He's been as forwardly passive aggressive as you can he without breaking contract (he legally can't bad mouth the film).
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Being better than the prequels is nothing to cheer about.

And yes, it absolutely ruined space battle logic. If you could always destroy multiple Star Destroyers by ramming a ship into them at hyperspace, then why did no one ever think to kamikaze droid-controlled ships at enemy battlestations before? That would have made the Battle of Yavin really easy, wouldn't it? And since it's such a useful tactic that was used in the previous film, we should expect everyone to be doing that in Star Wars 9, right?

Useful tactic in the previous films? Oh, you mean like when they stopped Leia or the Death Star plans from getting away by blowing them up? Or when they sent drones to attack the Death Star trenches? Or when they used drones on Hoth from orbit?

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Luke Skywalker was the guy who multiple times stood face-to-face with the second most evil guy in the galaxy, the guy who cut off his hand, who kidnapped Leia, who killed his friends, and insisted there was still some good inside him. And in the end, he was right for believing that when Vader turned on the Emperor.

But in the NT, when Luke thinks that his nephew is going to turn to the dark side, he tries to murder the kid in his sleep.

I don't know about you, but that was just about the best way you could take a character who once stood for hope and make him completely unlikable.

It's been 30 years and he was absolutely traumatized by how bad Vader got by turning to the dark side. He saw the same power again and worried that it would happen all over again. Considering it actually did, his fears were at least a little bit justified.

Seriously, though, you'd prefer Luke went into exile for a non-dramatic reason? Like, they ran out of blue milk and Tattooine and he was just like, "fuck it, I'm not training anymore Jedi"? Or would you prefer he had just showed up and killed the First Order in the first scene of TFA?

Fluttershy462 posted...

The movie was awful.

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Dash_Harber posted...

It's been 30 years and he was absolutely traumatized by how bad Vader got by turning to the dark side.

What the hell? No he wasn't. He wasn't traumatized after the events of the OT, and Vader was absolved in the end. If anything, his experience with Vader would have shown him to never stop trying to turn someone to the light side

Dash_Harber posted...

Seriously, though, you'd prefer Luke went into exile for a non-dramatic reason?

How about a dramatic reason that actually makes sense and is in-line with the character that was built up in 3 movies, is that too much to ask?
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Yeah the movie sucked, but we've been over that a thousand times.
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As someone who has seen tons of Chinese shows, they expect Gary Stu leaders and their heroes to be paragons of virtue. So it's no wonder they take issue with flawed characters. Their characters are garbage most of the time.
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TC has an awesome link to source
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Veggeta X posted...

TC has an awesome link to source

Shh dont interrupt the incel hatejerk
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Asherlee10 posted...

Milkman5 posted...

Luke Skywalker was particularly disappointing to Wang, who felt that the characters brooding behavior didnt jibe with the resilience and fearless optimism of the young Luke he had come to know from the original trilogy.

I mean, it seems like decent character development to me considering Skywalker's past. He was deeply flawed and knew it.

It's not character development unless you show how and why he changed.
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I enjoyed TLJ. Luke sucked tho.
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Chicken posted...

Wasnt Terminator Genesys the biggest movie of all time in China?

then they know what they're doing and i respect them. Shame most american movie goers didn't see how good genysis was.

I like how we're supposed to sympathise with the admiral whose ability to raise morale is so shit that literally everyone wants to mutiny.
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I've seen star wars porn parodies with more consistent plotlines and better writing than the more recent films...

theres a reason why a lot of american fans like it, and the state of politics in the usa shows why.
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RebelElite791 posted...

Veggeta X posted...

TC has an awesome link to source

Shh dont interrupt the incel hatejerk

Why do you mindlessly defend literally everything that comes from an established brand

The new movies suck shit. You can be a real fan and still admit that. TFA was good despite its glaring flaws but TLJ was a complete fucking trainwreck in both concept and execution. Absolutely nothing about that movie displays quality or talent for film making, and even worse, it retroactively made TFA bad by essentially declaring everything in it pointless. After TLJ, nothing about TFA matters and entire major plot archs were wiped clean.

It is sincerely one of the worst sequels of all time.
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yeah solo was better than tlj

JJ Abrams is all "well, I tried"
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Milkman5 posted...

Luke Skywalker was particularly disappointing to Wang, who felt that the characters brooding behavior didnt jibe with the resilience and fearless optimism of the young Luke he had come to know from the original trilogy.

I mean, it seems like decent character development to me considering Skywalker's past. He was deeply flawed and knew it.

It's not character development unless you show how and why he changed.

This is something that bothers me about all of these Disney properties/the rabid fandoms around them. HE USED TO ACT LIKE THIS IN THE FIRST MOVIE BUT NOW HE ACTS LIKE THIS IN THIS ONE isnt character development, its using charactrs as blank slate, amorphous blob, cardboard cutouts that you can adapt to lazily fill any role or tonal shift in the movie. Its dumb, dumb, DUMB writing and even the most surface level analysis of the movies will show that.
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Isnt China the racist country that censors out black people from promos? I dont give a shit what those backwards people think.
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CwebbMichSac4 posted...

yeah solo was better than tlj

Solo is more of a shitshow tbh

It also does a similar thing to TLJ retroactively making TFA bad, by completely shattering Hans character arc in the OT
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I find it interesting when people complain about the First Order.

Of course they are a shit show, they have 3 people vying for power and trying to play each other for fools. They are the destroyed remnants of the Empire, why should they be anywhere near as powerful as the Empire was? Hell, the only reason they were at all effective is they created a new Death Star type weapon and murdered 5 planets that housed the Republic.
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Dash_Harber posted...

It's been 30 years and he was absolutely traumatized by how bad Vader got by turning to the dark side. He saw the same power again and worried that it would happen all over again. Considering it actually did, his fears were at least a little bit justified.

See I disagree with that. Luke saw good in Vader, literally saw him turn back to the light. Luke himself was tempted, he almost turned in his final fight with Vader. He personally was on the brink and was able to resist (under a lot more duress as well). He sees this kid who's being tempted by the dark side and thinks "fuck it I'm gonna kill this bitch"? Nuh uh, not buying that.
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