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Samurontai 07/03/18 2:35:11 PM #101:	Sephiroth1288 posted... FrisbeeDude posted... darkjedilink posted... Why do lefties think that the solution to racism in America is more racism in America? why does flyover america only care about discrimination when white people are disadvantaged? Asians and indians are both disadvantaged more than white people in AA Did you misread his post, or are you intentionally ignoring what he said? --- https://imgur.com/Scl5rwX https://imgur.com/Fjgt7Qq https://imgur.com/NidhAni https://imgur.com/IGIbQPk <cite>Samurontai posted [p:904426739] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Why do lefties think that the solution to racism in America is more racism in America?</quote> why does flyover america only care about discrimination when white people are disadvantaged?</quote> Asians and indians are both disadvantaged more than white people in AA</quote> Did you misread his post, or are you intentionally ignoring what he said?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 07/03/18 2:35:45 PM #102:	Samurontai posted... Im not talking about racist college admission policies, Im talking about something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. Full stop. For the third time now My post has nothing to do with affirmative action and everything to do with what another poster said (which also wasnt about affirmative action in particular). So then why did you bring it up? Explain to me how you think the prison system is relevant in a topic about college admissions guidelines. Because all your post does is imply that a biased admissions system is something less bad because other injustices exist. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:904426771] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Samurontai posted...</cite> <quote>Im not talking about racist college admission policies, Im talking about something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. Full stop. For the third time now My post has nothing to do with affirmative action and everything to do with what another poster said (which also wasnt about affirmative action in particular). </quote> So then why did you bring it up? Explain to me how you think the prison system is relevant in a topic about college admissions guidelines. Because all your post does is imply that a biased admissions system is something less bad because other injustices exist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 07/03/18 2:35:59 PM #103:	"liberals need to stop using the race card" "the college admissions process is racist and needs to be fixed asap" lmao ok --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:904426776] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote>"liberals need to stop using the race card" "the college admissions process is racist and needs to be fixed asap" lmao ok</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/03/18 2:36:13 PM #104:	COVxy posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... You want to try that first sentence one more time? Not the most elegant sentence, but proper and readable. I'll assume you were positing that income is already taken as a factor when admitting students then. Well if that were the case, and economically disadvantaged students are already given help by most universities, then what use do we have for AA? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904426794] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>You want to try that first sentence one more time? </quote> Not the most elegant sentence, but proper and readable.</quote> I'll assume you were positing that income is already taken as a factor when admitting students then. Well if that were the case, and economically disadvantaged students are already given help by most universities, then what use do we have for AA?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 07/03/18 2:38:01 PM #105:	Blue_Inigo posted... Youre so intent on being an angry SJW you aren't comprehending anything. Removing Race from admission applications increases the chance of merit based acceptance, it doesn't decrease it. And what youre saying is just giving yourself an excuse to fail in life. It's never because you didn't make the right choices or because you didn't work hard, it's because the mean white world is against you. It's a shitty defeatist attitude and it is way too fucking common these days for people of all races. Poor blacks with a better mindset find ways to succeed and earn it. You on the other hand don't deserve success. <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:904426897] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blue_Inigo posted...</cite> Youre so intent on being an angry SJW you aren't comprehending anything. Removing Race from admission applications increases the chance of merit based acceptance, it doesn't decrease it. And what youre saying is just giving yourself an excuse to fail in life. It's never because you didn't make the right choices or because you didn't work hard, it's because the mean white world is against you. It's a shitty defeatist attitude and it is way too fucking common these days for people of all races. Poor blacks with a better mindset find ways to succeed and earn it. You on the other hand don't deserve success.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 07/03/18 2:39:21 PM #106:	FrisbeeDude posted... "liberals need to stop using the race card" "the college admissions process is racist and needs to be fixed asap" lmao ok Using race as a basis of admission is absolutely using the race card. You have no faith in black people to succeed on merit. <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:904426973] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>"liberals need to stop using the race card" "the college admissions process is racist and needs to be fixed asap" lmao ok</quote> Using race as a basis of admission is absolutely using the race card. You have no faith in black people to succeed on merit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/03/18 2:42:33 PM #107:	COVxy posted... _RETS_ posted... Which is why i am saying merit should be what matters. We don't live in a society where purely merit based systems are really possible. Only because cultural Marxists stupidly think equal opportunity means equal outcome. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904427165] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote>Which is why i am saying merit should be what matters.</quote> We don't live in a society where purely merit based systems are really possible.</quote> Only because cultural Marxists stupidly think equal opportunity means equal outcome.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 07/03/18 2:42:53 PM #108:	Sephiroth1288 posted... COVxy posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... You want to try that first sentence one more time? Not the most elegant sentence, but proper and readable. I'll assume you were positing that income is already taken as a factor when admitting students then. Well if that were the case, and economically disadvantaged students are already given help by most universities, then what use do we have for AA? I'm saying that there are places for this to be highlighted. I don't think this process is systematic across universities. I don't think any single factor determines these things. Application processes are really a system of filters. I think one of the issues is to try to ensure that applications that deserve a closer look don't get filtered out at an early stage by simple things like a GPA or SAT filter. Applications are determined more by opportunity than anything else. It's not like you are filtering based on innate ability when looking at HS grades or SAT scores. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:904427185] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>You want to try that first sentence one more time? </quote> Not the most elegant sentence, but proper and readable.</quote> I'll assume you were positing that income is already taken as a factor when admitting students then. Well if that were the case, and economically disadvantaged students are already given help by most universities, then what use do we have for AA?</quote> I'm saying that there are places for this to be highlighted. I don't think this process is systematic across universities. I don't think any single factor determines these things. Application processes are really a system of filters. I think one of the issues is to try to ensure that applications that deserve a closer look don't get filtered out at an early stage by simple things like a GPA or SAT filter. Applications are determined more by opportunity than anything else. It's not like you are filtering based on innate ability when looking at HS grades or SAT scores.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 07/03/18 2:43:21 PM #109:	darkjedilink posted... COVxy posted... _RETS_ posted... Which is why i am saying merit should be what matters. We don't live in a society where purely merit based systems are really possible. Only because cultural Marxists stupidly think equal opportunity means equal outcome. No. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:904427215] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote>Which is why i am saying merit should be what matters.</quote> We don't live in a society where purely merit based systems are really possible.</quote> Only because cultural Marxists stupidly think equal opportunity means equal outcome.</quote> No.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/03/18 2:44:08 PM #110:	COVxy posted... darkjedilink posted... COVxy posted... _RETS_ posted... Which is why i am saying merit should be what matters. We don't live in a society where purely merit based systems are really possible. Only because cultural Marxists stupidly think equal opportunity means equal outcome. No. Yes. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904427269] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote>Which is why i am saying merit should be what matters.</quote> We don't live in a society where purely merit based systems are really possible.</quote> Only because cultural Marxists stupidly think equal opportunity means equal outcome.</quote> No.</quote> Yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BWLurker 07/03/18 2:44:46 PM #111:	darkjedilink posted... cultural Marxists <cite>BWLurker posted [p:904427299] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>cultural Marxists</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 07/03/18 2:45:00 PM #112:	darkjedilink posted... COVxy posted... darkjedilink posted... COVxy posted... _RETS_ posted... Which is why i am saying merit should be what matters. We don't live in a society where purely merit based systems are really possible. Only because cultural Marxists stupidly think equal opportunity means equal outcome. No. Yes. I can beat you in a race if you start from 500 meters behind me. Who is better at running? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:904427313] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote>Which is why i am saying merit should be what matters.</quote> We don't live in a society where purely merit based systems are really possible.</quote> Only because cultural Marxists stupidly think equal opportunity means equal outcome.</quote> No.</quote> Yes.</quote> I can beat you in a race if you start from 500 meters behind me. Who is better at running?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/03/18 2:45:03 PM #113:	FrisbeeDude posted... darkjedilink posted... Why do lefties think that the solution to racism in America is more racism in America? why does flyover america only care about discrimination when white people are disadvantaged? Why can't you explain why your racism is warranted, but nobody else's is? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904427318] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Why do lefties think that the solution to racism in America is more racism in America?</quote> why does flyover america only care about discrimination when white people are disadvantaged?</quote> Why can't you explain why your racism is warranted, but nobody else's is?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 07/03/18 2:46:35 PM #114:	COVxy posted... darkjedilink posted... COVxy posted... darkjedilink posted... COVxy posted... _RETS_ posted... Which is why i am saying merit should be what matters. We don't live in a society where purely merit based systems are really possible. Only because cultural Marxists stupidly think equal opportunity means equal outcome. No. Yes. I can beat you in a race if you start from 500 meters behind me. Who is better at running? Then the solution is small scale in communities and locally, not mandating equal outcome. <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:904427404] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote>Which is why i am saying merit should be what matters.</quote> We don't live in a society where purely merit based systems are really possible.</quote> Only because cultural Marxists stupidly think equal opportunity means equal outcome.</quote> No.</quote> Yes.</quote> I can beat you in a race if you start from 500 meters behind me. Who is better at running?</quote> Then the solution is small scale in communities and locally, not mandating equal outcome.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/03/18 2:46:46 PM #115:	COVxy posted... darkjedilink posted... COVxy posted... darkjedilink posted... COVxy posted... _RETS_ posted... Which is why i am saying merit should be what matters. We don't live in a society where purely merit based systems are really possible. Only because cultural Marxists stupidly think equal opportunity means equal outcome. No. Yes. I can beat you in a race if you start from 500 meters behind me. Who is better at running? That's the system you're advocating for. Except when the guy 500 meeters back still wins, it's somehow still imbalanced FOR that guy, so you gotta start him a Kilometer back. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904427416] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote>Which is why i am saying merit should be what matters.</quote> We don't live in a society where purely merit based systems are really possible.</quote> Only because cultural Marxists stupidly think equal opportunity means equal outcome.</quote> No.</quote> Yes.</quote> I can beat you in a race if you start from 500 meters behind me. Who is better at running?</quote> That's the system you're advocating for. Except when the guy 500 meeters back still wins, it's somehow still imbalanced FOR that guy, so you gotta start him a Kilometer back.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 07/03/18 2:48:05 PM #116:	_RETS_ posted... Then the solution is small scale in communities and locally, not mandating equal outcome. I don't know who is mandating equal outcome. Seems to be to attempt to equalize opportunity. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:904427505] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote>Then the solution is small scale in communities and locally, not mandating equal outcome. </quote> I don't know who is mandating equal outcome. Seems to be to attempt to equalize opportunity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Inigo 07/03/18 2:51:31 PM #117:	_RETS_ posted... FrisbeeDude posted... "liberals need to stop using the race card" "the college admissions process is racist and needs to be fixed asap" lmao ok Using race as a basis of admission is absolutely using the race card. You have no faith in black people to succeed on merit. Merit based admissions dont exist --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:904427704] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>"liberals need to stop using the race card" "the college admissions process is racist and needs to be fixed asap" lmao ok</quote> Using race as a basis of admission is absolutely using the race card. You have no faith in black people to succeed on merit.</quote> Merit based admissions dont exist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/03/18 2:53:02 PM #118:	Blue_Inigo posted... _RETS_ posted... FrisbeeDude posted... "liberals need to stop using the race card" "the college admissions process is racist and needs to be fixed asap" lmao ok Using race as a basis of admission is absolutely using the race card. You have no faith in black people to succeed on merit. Merit based admissions dont exist Then what's the point of admission exams? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904427779] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blue_Inigo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>"liberals need to stop using the race card" "the college admissions process is racist and needs to be fixed asap" lmao ok</quote> Using race as a basis of admission is absolutely using the race card. You have no faith in black people to succeed on merit.</quote> Merit based admissions dont exist</quote> Then what's the point of admission exams?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 07/03/18 2:53:11 PM #119:	Blue_Inigo posted... Merit based admissions dont exist Source? --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:904427788] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blue_Inigo posted...</cite> <quote>Merit based admissions dont exist</quote> Source?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/03/18 2:53:53 PM #120:	COVxy posted... _RETS_ posted... Then the solution is small scale in communities and locally, not mandating equal outcome. I don't know who is mandating equal outcome. Seems to be to attempt to equalize opportunity. AA literally doesn't make equal opportunity. That has been proven time and time again. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904427839] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote>Then the solution is small scale in communities and locally, not mandating equal outcome. </quote> I don't know who is mandating equal outcome. Seems to be to attempt to equalize opportunity.</quote> AA literally doesn't make equal opportunity. That has been proven time and time again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 07/03/18 2:54:52 PM #121:	darkjedilink posted... COVxy posted... _RETS_ posted... Then the solution is small scale in communities and locally, not mandating equal outcome. I don't know who is mandating equal outcome. Seems to be to attempt to equalize opportunity. AA literally doesn't make equal opportunity. That has been proven time and time again. I don't really know how you are evaluating that... --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:904427902] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote>Then the solution is small scale in communities and locally, not mandating equal outcome. </quote> I don't know who is mandating equal outcome. Seems to be to attempt to equalize opportunity.</quote> AA literally doesn't make equal opportunity. That has been proven time and time again.</quote> I don't really know how you are evaluating that...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/03/18 2:56:36 PM #122:	COVxy posted... darkjedilink posted... COVxy posted... _RETS_ posted... Then the solution is small scale in communities and locally, not mandating equal outcome. I don't know who is mandating equal outcome. Seems to be to attempt to equalize opportunity. AA literally doesn't make equal opportunity. That has been proven time and time again. I don't really know how you are evaluating that... Average SAT scores by race. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904427995] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote>Then the solution is small scale in communities and locally, not mandating equal outcome. </quote> I don't know who is mandating equal outcome. Seems to be to attempt to equalize opportunity.</quote> AA literally doesn't make equal opportunity. That has been proven time and time again.</quote> I don't really know how you are evaluating that...</quote> Average SAT scores by race.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 07/03/18 2:57:45 PM #123:	darkjedilink posted... FrisbeeDude posted... darkjedilink posted... Why do lefties think that the solution to racism in America is more racism in America? why does flyover america only care about discrimination when white people are disadvantaged? Why can't you explain why your racism is warranted, but nobody else's is? the bar for racism becomes very low when white people are the alleged victims. I thought yall were tired of everyone playing the race card. isnt that how trump got elected? --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:904428067] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Why do lefties think that the solution to racism in America is more racism in America?</quote> why does flyover america only care about discrimination when white people are disadvantaged?</quote> Why can't you explain why your racism is warranted, but nobody else's is?</quote> the bar for racism becomes very low when white people are the alleged victims. I thought yall were tired of everyone playing the race card. isnt that how trump got elected?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 07/03/18 2:57:48 PM #124:	darkjedilink posted... COVxy posted... darkjedilink posted... COVxy posted... _RETS_ posted... Then the solution is small scale in communities and locally, not mandating equal outcome. I don't know who is mandating equal outcome. Seems to be to attempt to equalize opportunity. AA literally doesn't make equal opportunity. That has been proven time and time again. I don't really know how you are evaluating that... Average SAT scores by race. Those who do best on SAT are those who had SAT tutoring. Wanna bet SAT tutoring opportunity is different across races and incomes? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:904428073] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote>Then the solution is small scale in communities and locally, not mandating equal outcome. </quote> I don't know who is mandating equal outcome. Seems to be to attempt to equalize opportunity.</quote> AA literally doesn't make equal opportunity. That has been proven time and time again.</quote> I don't really know how you are evaluating that...</quote> Average SAT scores by race.</quote> Those who do best on SAT are those who had SAT tutoring. Wanna bet SAT tutoring opportunity is different across races and incomes?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 07/03/18 3:00:08 PM #125:	darkjedilink posted... Blue_Inigo posted... _RETS_ posted... FrisbeeDude posted... "liberals need to stop using the race card" "the college admissions process is racist and needs to be fixed asap" lmao ok Using race as a basis of admission is absolutely using the race card. You have no faith in black people to succeed on merit. Merit based admissions dont exist Then what's the point of admission exams? they're factors in the overall application, not the end all, be all. interviews, college essays, extracurricular activities, community services, awards received. --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:904428214] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Blue_Inigo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>"liberals need to stop using the race card" "the college admissions process is racist and needs to be fixed asap" lmao ok</quote> Using race as a basis of admission is absolutely using the race card. You have no faith in black people to succeed on merit.</quote> Merit based admissions dont exist</quote> Then what's the point of admission exams?</quote> they're factors in the overall application, not the end all, be all. interviews, college essays, extracurricular activities, community services, awards received.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/03/18 3:02:02 PM #126:	COVxy posted... Those who do best on SAT are those who had SAT tutoring. Bullshit. You can't tutor your way to an extra 300 points on the SAT. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904428330] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Those who do best on SAT are those who had SAT tutoring. </quote> Bullshit. You can't tutor your way to an extra 300 points on the SAT.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 07/03/18 3:04:14 PM #127:	FrisbeeDude posted... darkjedilink posted... Blue_Inigo posted... _RETS_ posted... FrisbeeDude posted... "liberals need to stop using the race card" "the college admissions process is racist and needs to be fixed asap" lmao ok Using race as a basis of admission is absolutely using the race card. You have no faith in black people to succeed on merit. Merit based admissions dont exist Then what's the point of admission exams? they're factors in the overall application, not the end all, be all. interviews, college essays, extracurricular activities, community services, awards received. And yet Asians got screwed by Harvard even though they did well in all those factors, well if they were allowed an interview. They were given a shitty personality score without ever meeting them to tank their scores so people who did average in all those could get in. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:904428475] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Blue_Inigo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>"liberals need to stop using the race card" "the college admissions process is racist and needs to be fixed asap" lmao ok</quote> Using race as a basis of admission is absolutely using the race card. You have no faith in black people to succeed on merit.</quote> Merit based admissions dont exist</quote> Then what's the point of admission exams?</quote> they're factors in the overall application, not the end all, be all. interviews, college essays, extracurricular activities, community services, awards received.</quote> And yet Asians got screwed by Harvard even though they did well in all those factors, well if they were allowed an interview. They were given a shitty personality score without ever meeting them to tank their scores so people who did average in all those could get in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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COVxy 07/03/18 3:06:06 PM #129:	Sephiroth1288 posted... COVxy posted... Those who do best on SAT are those who had SAT tutoring. Bullshit. You can't tutor your way to an extra 300 points on the SAT. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/05/09/can-coaching-truly-boost-sat-scores-for-years-the-college-board-said-no-now-it-says-yes It has an extremely large study and practice effect. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:904428590] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Those who do best on SAT are those who had SAT tutoring. </quote> Bullshit. You can't tutor your way to an extra 300 points on the SAT.</quote> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/05/09/can-coaching-truly-boost-sat-scores-for-years-the-college-board-said-no-now-it-says-yes It has an extremely large study and practice effect.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 07/03/18 3:07:18 PM #130:	COVxy posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... COVxy posted... Those who do best on SAT are those who had SAT tutoring. Bullshit. You can't tutor your way to an extra 300 points on the SAT. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/05/09/can-coaching-truly-boost-sat-scores-for-years-the-college-board-said-no-now-it-says-yes It has an extremely large study and practice effect. To be fair, that article says the average boost is 115 points, and that's using their completely free and available to everyone online Khan academy. EDIT: They also explicitly say that the current SAT is actively designed around making it harder to "study to the test" and cheat the system to boost scores the way traditional SAT prep was laid out. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:904428660] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Those who do best on SAT are those who had SAT tutoring. </quote> Bullshit. You can't tutor your way to an extra 300 points on the SAT.</quote> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/05/09/can-coaching-truly-boost-sat-scores-for-years-the-college-board-said-no-now-it-says-yes It has an extremely large study and practice effect.</quote> To be fair, that article says the average boost is 115 points, and that's using their completely free and available to everyone online Khan academy. EDIT: They also explicitly say that the current SAT is actively designed around making it harder to "study to the test" and cheat the system to boost scores the way traditional SAT prep was laid out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BWLurker 07/03/18 3:07:56 PM #131:	Sephiroth1288 posted... COVxy posted... Those who do best on SAT are those who had SAT tutoring. Bullshit. You can't tutor your way to an extra 300 points on the SAT. The hell kind of logic is this? Of course you can. Especially if the tutor is actually teaching you things that were never taught in your garbage curriculum <cite>BWLurker posted [p:904428696] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Those who do best on SAT are those who had SAT tutoring. </quote> Bullshit. You can't tutor your way to an extra 300 points on the SAT.</quote> The hell kind of logic is this? Of course you can. Especially if the tutor is actually teaching you things that were never taught in your garbage curriculum</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 07/03/18 3:09:03 PM #132:	FrisbeeDude posted... darkjedilink posted... Blue_Inigo posted... _RETS_ posted... FrisbeeDude posted... "liberals need to stop using the race card" "the college admissions process is racist and needs to be fixed asap" lmao ok Using race as a basis of admission is absolutely using the race card. You have no faith in black people to succeed on merit. Merit based admissions dont exist Then what's the point of admission exams? they're factors in the overall application, not the end all, be all. interviews, college essays, extracurricular activities, community services, awards received. I should clarify, that all that is what I would consider to be merits. <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:904428752] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Blue_Inigo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>"liberals need to stop using the race card" "the college admissions process is racist and needs to be fixed asap" lmao ok</quote> Using race as a basis of admission is absolutely using the race card. You have no faith in black people to succeed on merit.</quote> Merit based admissions dont exist</quote> Then what's the point of admission exams?</quote> they're factors in the overall application, not the end all, be all. interviews, college essays, extracurricular activities, community services, awards received.</quote> I should clarify, that all that is what I would consider to be merits.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 07/03/18 3:09:54 PM #133:	Best President ever. --- "Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye West <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:904428803] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote>Best President ever.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/03/18 3:12:22 PM #134:	BWLurker posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... COVxy posted... Those who do best on SAT are those who had SAT tutoring. Bullshit. You can't tutor your way to an extra 300 points on the SAT. The hell kind of logic is this? Of course you can. Especially if the tutor is actually teaching you things that were never taught in your garbage curriculum As others just pointed out, the SAT is designed specifically that you cannot study for it. You can get a higher grade is you study, but the material you would learn is nothing you wouldn't learn from high school. If you didn't learn your times tables in high school, but you go to a tutor for the SAT where you do learn them, then yeah obviously you'll see your score rise a lot. But rich kids, obviously, would know their times tables by the end of high school. And like that source said, 115 is the average increase from tutoring. It's well below the gap that asian kids need to score in order to make up for the penalty they get from AA. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904428928] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>BWLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Those who do best on SAT are those who had SAT tutoring. </quote> Bullshit. You can't tutor your way to an extra 300 points on the SAT.</quote> The hell kind of logic is this? Of course you can. Especially if the tutor is actually teaching you things that were never taught in your garbage curriculum</quote> As others just pointed out, the SAT is designed specifically that you cannot study for it. You can get a higher grade is you study, but the material you would learn is nothing you wouldn't learn from high school. If you didn't learn your times tables in high school, but you go to a tutor for the SAT where you do learn them, then yeah obviously you'll see your score rise a lot. But rich kids, obviously, would know their times tables by the end of high school. And like that source said, 115 is the average increase from tutoring. It's well below the gap that asian kids need to score in order to make up for the penalty they get from AA.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 07/03/18 3:13:13 PM #135:	COVxy posted... _RETS_ posted... Then the solution is small scale in communities and locally, not mandating equal outcome. I don't know who is mandating equal outcome. Seems to be to attempt to equalize opportunity. The outcome in this case is college acceptance. Having diversity quotas is pushing equal outcome. <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:904428981] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote>Then the solution is small scale in communities and locally, not mandating equal outcome. </quote> I don't know who is mandating equal outcome. Seems to be to attempt to equalize opportunity.</quote> The outcome in this case is college acceptance. Having diversity quotas is pushing equal outcome.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 07/03/18 3:15:17 PM #136:	FrisbeeDude posted... the bar for racism becomes very low when white people are the alleged victims. I thought yall were tired of everyone playing the race card. isnt that how trump got elected? The racism whites complain about here is written into official policy. The racism you seem to complain about requires mind reading, assumptions based on statistics ignoring causality, etc How the fuck do you not see the difference? --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:904429086] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>the bar for racism becomes very low when white people are the alleged victims. I thought yall were tired of everyone playing the race card. isnt that how trump got elected?</quote> The racism whites complain about here is written into official policy. The racism you seem to complain about requires mind reading, assumptions based on statistics ignoring causality, etc How the fuck do you not see the difference?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 07/03/18 3:17:41 PM #137:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... FrisbeeDude posted... the bar for racism becomes very low when white people are the alleged victims. I thought yall were tired of everyone playing the race card. isnt that how trump got elected? The racism whites complain about here is written into official policy. The racism you seem to complain about requires mind reading, assumptions based on statistics ignoring causality, etc How the fuck do you not see the difference? He does, he is just happy to be manipulated by victim narratives. <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:904429252] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>the bar for racism becomes very low when white people are the alleged victims. I thought yall were tired of everyone playing the race card. isnt that how trump got elected?</quote> The racism whites complain about here is written into official policy. The racism you seem to complain about requires mind reading, assumptions based on statistics ignoring causality, etc How the fuck do you not see the difference?</quote> He does, he is just happy to be manipulated by victim narratives.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 07/03/18 3:21:52 PM #138:	Sephiroth1288 posted... And like that source said, 115 is the average increase from tutoring. It's well below the gap that asian kids need to score in order to make up for the penalty they get from AA. This was a specific test with self driven study material from Khan. The point was to show that the test was susceptible to study effects (which should really be surprising to nobody), not to demonstrate the exact estimate of an effect of a tutor. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:904429531] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>And like that source said, 115 is the average increase from tutoring. It's well below the gap that asian kids need to score in order to make up for the penalty they get from AA.</quote> This was a specific test with self driven study material from Khan. The point was to show that the test was susceptible to study effects (which should really be surprising to nobody), not to demonstrate the exact estimate of an effect of a tutor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 07/03/18 3:22:31 PM #139:	Can someone remind me why the left supports affirmative action, is it because they think black people are less capable of an education or that white people are less deserving? <cite>Annihilated posted [p:904429576] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote>Can someone remind me why the left supports affirmative action, is it because they think black people are less capable of an education or that white people are less deserving?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 07/03/18 3:23:25 PM #140:	Annihilated posted... Can someone remind me why the left supports affirmative action, is it because they think black people are less capable of an education or that white people are less deserving? lmao what lulzy loaded questions --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:904429639] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>Can someone remind me why the left supports affirmative action, is it because they think black people are less capable of an education or that white people are less deserving?</quote> lmao what lulzy loaded questions</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 07/03/18 3:24:10 PM #141:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... FrisbeeDude posted... the bar for racism becomes very low when white people are the alleged victims. I thought yall were tired of everyone playing the race card. isnt that how trump got elected? The racism whites complain about here is written into official policy. The racism you seem to complain about requires mind reading, assumptions based on statistics ignoring causality, etc How the fuck do you not see the difference? LOL to quote the former board member sArm "its only racist when Becky doesn't get into the University of Texas" --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:904429675] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>the bar for racism becomes very low when white people are the alleged victims. I thought yall were tired of everyone playing the race card. isnt that how trump got elected?</quote> The racism whites complain about here is written into official policy. The racism you seem to complain about requires mind reading, assumptions based on statistics ignoring causality, etc How the fuck do you not see the difference?</quote> LOL to quote the former board member sArm "its only racist when Becky doesn't get into the University of Texas"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 07/03/18 3:24:48 PM #142:	FrisbeeDude posted... Annihilated posted... Can someone remind me why the left supports affirmative action, is it because they think black people are less capable of an education or that white people are less deserving? lmao what lulzy loaded questions There are no other possibilities, so it's time to face up to it... <cite>Annihilated posted [p:904429712] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>Can someone remind me why the left supports affirmative action, is it because they think black people are less capable of an education or that white people are less deserving?</quote> lmao what lulzy loaded questions</quote> There are no other possibilities, so it's time to face up to it...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 07/03/18 3:25:44 PM #143:	FrisbeeDude posted... lmao what lulzy loaded questions The question of why leftists support AA is perfectly valid. If you had a good answer, you would have ignored what he offered up and given your own. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:904429773] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>lmao what lulzy loaded questions</quote> The question of why leftists support AA is perfectly valid. If you had a good answer, you would have ignored what he offered up and given your own.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spincr 07/03/18 3:25:45 PM #144:	Piersons_Fox posted... Would you rather have your surgery by the most qualified surgeon or by the guy who you can virtue signal over his race? Quality, logic and science over dumbass guidelines --- In 2000, Norad had 67 Intercepts, 100% accuracy. On 9/11 they failed 4 times in 1 day. In 2015 over 162 000 refugee's entered Sweden, 494 of them got a job. <cite>spincr posted [p:904429774] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Piersons_Fox posted...</cite> <quote>Would you rather have your surgery by the most qualified surgeon or by the guy who you can virtue signal over his race?</quote> Quality, logic and science over dumbass guidelines</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 07/03/18 3:26:08 PM #145:	Annihilated posted... FrisbeeDude posted... Annihilated posted... Can someone remind me why the left supports affirmative action, is it because they think black people are less capable of an education or that white people are less deserving? lmao what lulzy loaded questions There are no other possibilities, so it's time to face up to it... slow down on the coors. the 4th is tomorrow and I'd rather not have to get another case --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:904429800] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>Can someone remind me why the left supports affirmative action, is it because they think black people are less capable of an education or that white people are less deserving?</quote> lmao what lulzy loaded questions</quote> There are no other possibilities, so it's time to face up to it...</quote> slow down on the coors. the 4th is tomorrow and I'd rather not have to get another case</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 07/03/18 3:28:29 PM #146:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... FrisbeeDude posted... lmao what lulzy loaded questions The question of why leftists support AA is perfectly valid. If you had a good answer, you would have ignored what he offered up and given your own. why would I entertain a question so brazenly hostile "which one is is? the left thinks blacks are stupid or whites dont deserve to go college?" Fuck outta here --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:904429935] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>lmao what lulzy loaded questions</quote> The question of why leftists support AA is perfectly valid. If you had a good answer, you would have ignored what he offered up and given your own.</quote> why would I entertain a question so brazenly hostile "which one is is? the left thinks blacks are stupid or whites dont deserve to go college?" Fuck outta here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 07/03/18 3:29:13 PM #147:	FrisbeeDude posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... FrisbeeDude posted... lmao what lulzy loaded questions The question of why leftists support AA is perfectly valid. If you had a good answer, you would have ignored what he offered up and given your own. why would I entertain a question so brazenly hostile "which one is is? the left thinks blacks are stupid or whites dont deserve to go college?" Fuck outta here How's it feel to be on the defensive? <cite>Annihilated posted [p:904429980] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>lmao what lulzy loaded questions</quote> The question of why leftists support AA is perfectly valid. If you had a good answer, you would have ignored what he offered up and given your own.</quote> why would I entertain a question so brazenly hostile "which one is is? the left thinks blacks are stupid or whites dont deserve to go college?" Fuck outta here</quote> How's it feel to be on the defensive?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 07/03/18 3:30:26 PM #148:	Annihilated posted... FrisbeeDude posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... FrisbeeDude posted... lmao what lulzy loaded questions The question of why leftists support AA is perfectly valid. If you had a good answer, you would have ignored what he offered up and given your own. why would I entertain a question so brazenly hostile "which one is is? the left thinks blacks are stupid or whites dont deserve to go college?" Fuck outta here How's it feel to be on the defensive? maybe you'll get someone to bite --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:904430043] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>lmao what lulzy loaded questions</quote> The question of why leftists support AA is perfectly valid. If you had a good answer, you would have ignored what he offered up and given your own.</quote> why would I entertain a question so brazenly hostile "which one is is? the left thinks blacks are stupid or whites dont deserve to go college?" Fuck outta here</quote> How's it feel to be on the defensive?</quote> maybe you'll get someone to bite</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KStateKing17 07/03/18 3:33:03 PM #149:	Annihilated posted... Can someone remind me why the left supports affirmative action, is it because they think black people are less capable of an education or that white people are less deserving? Less capable no. I do believe that there are a higher percentage of minorities in areas where the resources provided and the way courses are taught is poor and not equal to middle and upper class areas. That to me is unacceptable when your school is based soley on your neighborhood for yje most part. --- The 17th King of the State of K <cite>KStateKing17 posted [p:904430179] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>Can someone remind me why the left supports affirmative action, is it because they think black people are less capable of an education or that white people are less deserving?</quote> Less capable no. I do believe that there are a higher percentage of minorities in areas where the resources provided and the way courses are taught is poor and not equal to middle and upper class areas. That to me is unacceptable when your school is based soley on your neighborhood for yje most part.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 07/03/18 3:33:19 PM #150:	Nobody ever addresses the Asian problem. It just instantly becomes, literally, blacks vs whites when it comes to AA. The fact is that the current implementation of AA actively discriminates against certain minorities and there is zero justification, legally or morally, for encoding skin color into university admissions. As others have said, if you want tiered support, split it by income bracket. It completely eliminates the race factor while ALSO helping legitimately disadvantaged people. I cannot for the life of me understand why so many people choose AA as the hill to die on. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:904430195] in Trump Admi... [t:76773994]...</cite> <quote>Nobody ever addresses the Asian problem. It just instantly becomes, literally, blacks vs whites when it comes to AA. The fact is that the current implementation of AA actively discriminates against certain minorities and there is zero justification, legally or morally, for encoding skin color into university admissions. As others have said, if you want tiered support, split it by income bracket. It completely eliminates the race factor while ALSO helping legitimately disadvantaged people. I cannot for the life of me understand why so many people choose AA as the hill to die on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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