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smoliske
07/03/18 6:20:28 AM
#52:


oh look someone who isn't American and doesn't even live here thinks they know best about our economy

how cute
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Rika_Furude
07/03/18 6:32:38 AM
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smoliske posted...
oh look someone who isn't American and doesn't even live here thinks they know best about our economy

how cute

why are you bringing up america?
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Kaliesto
07/03/18 6:37:44 AM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
why's everyone obsessed with increasing wages and not lowering the absurd value of stuff


You know, I never really thought of that angle because I remember something about how certain companies actually mark up items way more than it's worth.

Example are Laptops being sent to Bestbuy, but Bestbuy bumps up the price way more than it is actually worth.
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Kaliesto
07/03/18 6:42:00 AM
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Personally, I wonder what would happen if everyone working for McDonalds just walks out at the same time and I mean every one of them across the states to protest about wages. Would McDonalds Corporate turn into a more scum method by hiring illegal workers to fill the huge void quickly and pay them less? Because that is usually what Corporations will try to do, and break the law at the same time to get their way with people lower than them.

Mind this is a hypothetical scenario, and also to add in such a hypothetical world that people at the lower end will not want to work at Mcdonalds due to such controversy, so McDs will need to hire illegals. Also I want to see how many spoiled and unhealthy slobs will bitch and moan that they can't get their burger fix, how about cooking your burgers at home you lazy fuck? hahahaha. Care more about stuffing their face than other people. Seriously, if that were to happen I know for a fact it will bring the truth to light about some people in general in this country. What's the chant? The "Me" generation some degenerates like to throw around? Seems like when people can't have their way with restaurants that it seems to apply to the customer rather than the worker.

Straight to the point conclusion, if there is no equal respect then there is a problem.
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REMercsChamp
07/03/18 6:51:03 AM
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>People thinking they deserve a car because they flip burgers for minimum wage

Must be on CE
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SSJCAT
07/03/18 6:54:43 AM
#57:


REMercsChamp posted...
>People thinking they dont deserve to be able to afford basic human necessities for minimum wage.

Must be on CE

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YOUHAVENOHOPE
07/03/18 6:59:38 AM
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Kaliesto posted...
Personally, I wonder what would happen if everyone working for McDonalds just walks out at the same time and I mean every one of them across the states to protest about wages. Would McDonalds Corporate turn into a more scum method by hiring illegal workers to fill the huge void quickly and pay them less? Because that is usually what Corporations will try to do, and break the law at the same time to get their way with people lower than them.

Mind this is a hypothetical scenario, and also to add in such a hypothetical world that people at the lower end will not want to work at Mcdonalds due to such controversy, so McDs will need to hire illegals. Also I want to see how many spoiled and unhealthy slobs will bitch and moan that they can't get their burger fix, how about cooking your burgers at home you lazy fuck? hahahaha. Care more about stuffing their face than other people. Seriously, if that were to happen I know for a fact it will bring the truth to light about some people in general in this country. What's the chant? The "Me" generation some degenerates like to throw around? Seems like when people can't have their way with restaurants that it seems to apply to the customer rather than the worker.

Straight to the point conclusion, if there is no equal respect then there is a problem.

society literally places a dollar amount to your human being
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REMercsChamp
07/03/18 7:02:17 AM
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SSJCAT posted...
REMercsChamp posted...
>People thinking they dont deserve to be able to afford basic human necessities for minimum wage.

Must be on CE

A car isn't a basic human necessity, it's a luxury
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Annihilated
07/03/18 7:04:51 AM
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Generally speaking, minimum wage jobs are for lazy people. If that's all you want to do, don't complain about the pay. Otherwise learn a skill or learn how to do something the other 99% of the population can't do.
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Sativa_Rose
07/03/18 7:05:14 AM
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earned-income tax credit
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Kaliesto
07/03/18 7:09:10 AM
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Annihilated posted...
Generally speaking, minimum wage jobs are for lazy people. If that's all you want to do, don't complain about the pay. Otherwise learn a skill or learn how to do something the other 99% of the population can't do.


Lazy huh? Something tells me you haven't work enough minimum wage jobs, I know a restaurant near me that will likely make you change your mind really quickly lol.

For someone to be truly lazy, they would have to be doing nothing.
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Annihilated
07/03/18 7:10:30 AM
#63:


Kaliesto posted...
Annihilated posted...
Generally speaking, minimum wage jobs are for lazy people. If that's all you want to do, don't complain about the pay. Otherwise learn a skill or learn how to do something the other 99% of the population can't do.


Lazy huh? Something tells me you haven't work enough minimum wage jobs.


Doesn't matter what you actually do on the job, it just matters that the job itself is so accessible you don't even bother to seek anything else. I've worked jobs across all spectrums of income.
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CyricZ
07/03/18 7:12:03 AM
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I don't think anyone was suggesting someone with a skill 99% of the population can't do shouldn't be paid more for that skill.

And I don't think such an argument goes against the idea that any person working should be paid a livable wage. Whether that means increasing the wage or lowering the price of goods, one should still be able to live healthily off of forty hours of work.
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Kaliesto
07/03/18 7:13:08 AM
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Besides all this, someone pointed out a reasonable point.

The real issue is why are companies allowed to mark up as high as it is for products when that is not even the real value? To me that is criminal all by itself.
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Sativa_Rose
07/03/18 7:14:04 AM
#66:


Kaliesto posted...
Besides all this, someone pointed out a reasonable point.

The real issue is why are companies allowed to mark up as high as it is when that is not even the real value?


You need to watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEMkfgrifDw" data-time="

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YOUHAVENOHOPE
07/03/18 7:15:34 AM
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REMercsChamp posted...
A car isn't a basic human necessity, it's a luxury

Transportation is a necessity - maybe not specifically a car, but having the ability to move around is a necessity in 21st century America

and in some parts of america, it absolutely IS necessary to own a car
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iClockwork
07/03/18 7:16:50 AM
#69:


Kaliesto posted...
Example are Laptops being sent to Bestbuy, but Bestbuy bumps up the price way more than it is actually worth.

This is literally one of the most basic principles of economics called supply and demand. If people are willing to pay it Best Buy will bump it up to whatever is the most profitable...

Kaliesto posted...
The real issue is why are companies allowed to mark up as high as it is for products when that is not even the real value? To me that is criminal all by itself.

Because consumers still purchase the product...

You have to be trolling right?
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Darkrobotisback
07/03/18 7:18:25 AM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
REMercsChamp posted...
A car isn't a basic human necessity, it's a luxury

Transportation is a necessity - maybe not specifically a car, but having the ability to move around is a necessity in 21st century America

and in some parts of america, it absolutely IS necessary to own a car

There are other alternatives...
Trains, busses...
Even bikes...
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SSJCAT
07/03/18 7:18:26 AM
#71:


YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
REMercsChamp posted...
A car isn't a basic human necessity, it's a luxury

Transportation is a necessity - maybe not specifically a car, but having the ability to move around is a necessity in 21st century America

and in some parts of america, it absolutely IS necessary to own a car

Yea seriously wtf to this dude I live in the rural south if you dont have a car, you dont go anywhere.
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Dat_Cracka_Jax
07/03/18 7:19:24 AM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
what the fuck are you even talking about lmfao

Essentially, raising minimum wage to a livable wage (whatever that is in your eyes), could and should cause many other jobs wages to rise.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
07/03/18 7:21:57 AM
#74:


Darkrobotisback posted...
There are other alternatives...
Trains, busses...
Even bikes...

and that's true

but that doesn't change the fact that you literally would not be able to survive in some places without a car
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Kaliesto
07/03/18 7:23:12 AM
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iClockwork posted...
Kaliesto posted...
Example are Laptops being sent to Bestbuy, but Bestbuy bumps up the price way more than it is actually worth.

This is literally one of the most basic principles of economics called supply and demand. If people are willing to pay it Best Buy will bump it up to whatever is the most profitable...

Kaliesto posted...
The real issue is why are companies allowed to mark up as high as it is for products when that is not even the real value? To me that is criminal all by itself.

Because consumers still purchase the product...

You have to be trolling right?


Prices should be based on the actual value rather than a artificial value, that is the only reason why there is so many people that can't afford some necessities. To add you can buy straight from the manufacturer without having to deal with middleman, and not a lot of people are taking advantage of that.

I know some people that saved a lot on really good laptops because they ordered straight from the manufacturer rather than dealing with companies like Bestbuy or anything similar.
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CyricZ
07/03/18 7:23:18 AM
#76:


Kaliesto posted...
The real issue is why are companies allowed to mark up as high as it is for products when that is not even the real value?

I'm pretty sure it's because no one ever said they couldn't.
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Rika_Furude
07/03/18 7:23:52 AM
#77:


Darkrobotisback posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
REMercsChamp posted...
A car isn't a basic human necessity, it's a luxury

Transportation is a necessity - maybe not specifically a car, but having the ability to move around is a necessity in 21st century America

and in some parts of america, it absolutely IS necessary to own a car

There are other alternatives...
Trains, busses...
Even bikes...

trains might work for people in tokyo, london and new york city, but everywhere else in the world doesnt have convenient public transport
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ArchiePeck
07/03/18 7:27:21 AM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
what the fuck are you even talking about lmfao

Essentially, raising minimum wage to a livable wage (whatever that is in your eyes), could and should cause many other jobs wages to rise.


But that would cause inflation of the cost of goods which would put the low earners back to square one and defeat the entire purpose.

It's not about being "fair" to the people in the next worst tier of earnings, it's just about allowing the worst affected people that do essential minimum wage job have a slightly better quality of life.

If you already make a living wage and feel you are worth more, then by all means go out there and earn it.
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REMercsChamp
07/03/18 7:29:49 AM
#79:


Remember when your parents and teachers said stay in school so you don't end up working manual labor for minimum wage?

This is what they were warning you about.

Instead you chose to ignore it and come and complain on GameFAQs 20 years later.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
07/03/18 7:31:11 AM
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i always thought it was funny you would poke fun at universal basic income all the time @REMercsChamp because personally I think UBI would work and will actually be necessary some day
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Rika_Furude
07/03/18 7:35:37 AM
#81:


REMercsChamp posted...
Remember when your parents and teachers said stay in school so you don't end up working manual labor for minimum wage?

This is what they were warning you about.

Instead you chose to ignore it and come and complain on GameFAQs 20 years later.

well for starters i have a bachelors degree from an internationally accredited university
secondly i have a stable, salaried job at a growing company
thirdly i earn far more than minimum wage

so how about you shut the fuck up.
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Kaliesto
07/03/18 7:37:46 AM
#82:


Oh Snap
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tennisdude818
07/03/18 7:39:44 AM
#83:


A wage should be determined by what somebody voluntarily pays for your labor.
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MetaMajik
07/03/18 7:40:53 AM
#84:


Rika_Furude posted...
well for starters i have a bachelors degree from an internationally accredited university.


Shut the fuck up.
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Sativa_Rose
07/03/18 7:46:30 AM
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Kaliesto posted...
Prices should be based on the actual value rather than a artificial value, that is the only reason why there is so many people that can't afford some necessities. To add you can buy straight from the manufacturer without having to deal with middleman, and not a lot of people are taking advantage of that.

I know some people that saved a lot on really good laptops because they ordered straight from the manufacturer rather than dealing with companies like Bestbuy or anything similar.


You are throwing around terms like "actual value" and "artificial value" that don't actually mean anything. Go watch the video I linked earlier. You actually don't understand how prices work.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
07/03/18 7:46:52 AM
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Rika_Furude
07/03/18 7:47:23 AM
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remercs rubs me the wrong way. i'll stop tho, just for you buddy
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Kaliesto
07/03/18 7:51:35 AM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
Kaliesto posted...
Prices should be based on the actual value rather than a artificial value, that is the only reason why there is so many people that can't afford some necessities. To add you can buy straight from the manufacturer without having to deal with middleman, and not a lot of people are taking advantage of that.

I know some people that saved a lot on really good laptops because they ordered straight from the manufacturer rather than dealing with companies like Bestbuy or anything similar.


You are throwing around terms like "actual value" and "artificial value" that don't actually mean anything. Go watch the video I linked earlier. You actually don't understand how prices work.


Troll post detected.

wooOOOOOOooo, herp derp you don't know anything, herp derp!!! TROLL 13337 leetspeAk N00b.

Go back to your hole (or next time chill out before you start throwing your e-peen around else I would have taken you seriously, CE can't seem to talk to people on here without first throwing a rock).
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darkjedilink
07/03/18 8:36:43 AM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
Bad_Mojo posted...
The only real issue with this is that if you can earn a livable wage flipper burgers, what makes people want to go out and get the better, but harder jobs?

why does livable = wealthy in your eyes

you really think everyone would be satisfied living in a 1 bdrm townhouse in a dilapidated neighborhood for the rest of their lives?

That hasn't been the definition of 'livable' for quite some time.

Every time people want to show how hard it is to live on a minimum wage job, they point to a 2-bedroom apartment, adding in child care, internet, and cable.
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Rika_Furude
07/03/18 8:41:42 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
Bad_Mojo posted...
The only real issue with this is that if you can earn a livable wage flipper burgers, what makes people want to go out and get the better, but harder jobs?

why does livable = wealthy in your eyes

you really think everyone would be satisfied living in a 1 bdrm townhouse in a dilapidated neighborhood for the rest of their lives?

That hasn't been the definition of 'livable' for quite some time.

Every time people want to show how hard it is to live on a minimum wage job, they point to a 2-bedroom apartment, adding in child care, internet, and cable.

childcare and cable i agree with, but whats wrong with considering the internet a necessity? its a primary form of communication, and required for many things in life (such as applying for jobs at larger companies)
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SweetieBelle462
07/03/18 8:48:36 AM
#92:


It is a completely livable wage and is more than most people make around the world.
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SweetieBelle462
07/03/18 8:56:09 AM
#93:


The23rdMagus posted...
Bad_Mojo posted...
The only real issue with this is that if you can earn a livable wage flipper burgers, what makes people want to go out and get the better, but harder jobs?

Better than just a "livable" wage.

Kolibri X posted...
High school tier jobs are meant to be temporary. Get roommates or get a real job.

So the jobs are necessary, but the people who do them deserve poverty?


People like you frame this issue incorrectly.

When you work a minimum wage job, even if it is full time, you are doing the least critical work for the company.

You will be compensated accordingly. If it doesn't combat your needs, like for some reason you would have kids, then you meet somebody halfway. The solution is to do things like get roommates and take public transit.
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Rika_Furude
07/03/18 9:00:28 AM
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reliable public transit isnt available everywhere. in fact, its available in surprisingly few places. and renting a 1 bedroom apartment shouldn't be considered a luxury reserved only for those who earn far above minimum wage
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Majin_Buuhan
07/03/18 9:03:40 AM
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SweetieBelle462 posted...
The23rdMagus posted...
Bad_Mojo posted...
The only real issue with this is that if you can earn a livable wage flipper burgers, what makes people want to go out and get the better, but harder jobs?

Better than just a "livable" wage.

Kolibri X posted...
High school tier jobs are meant to be temporary. Get roommates or get a real job.

So the jobs are necessary, but the people who do them deserve poverty?


People like you frame this issue incorrectly.

When you work a minimum wage job, even if it is full time, you are doing the least critical work for the company.

You will be compensated accordingly. If it doesn't combat your needs, like for some reason you would have kids, then you meet somebody halfway. The solution is to do things like get roommates and take public transit.


???

no burger flippers, cashiers, or custodians and the company goes under.

how is that not critical?
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scorpion41
07/03/18 9:13:48 AM
#96:


Majin_Buuhan posted...
SweetieBelle462 posted...
The23rdMagus posted...
Bad_Mojo posted...
The only real issue with this is that if you can earn a livable wage flipper burgers, what makes people want to go out and get the better, but harder jobs?

Better than just a "livable" wage.

Kolibri X posted...
High school tier jobs are meant to be temporary. Get roommates or get a real job.

So the jobs are necessary, but the people who do them deserve poverty?


People like you frame this issue incorrectly.

When you work a minimum wage job, even if it is full time, you are doing the least critical work for the company.

You will be compensated accordingly. If it doesn't combat your needs, like for some reason you would have kids, then you meet somebody halfway. The solution is to do things like get roommates and take public transit.


???

no burger flippers, cashiers, or custodians and the company goes under.

how is that not critical?


I think he means expendable and/or easily replaced. These jobs require very little training and you can literally replace your whole staff with no drop in productivity. These are not jobs you should pay $12-15 an hour for. They are entry level jobs for kids in school.
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Rika_Furude
07/03/18 9:16:59 AM
#97:


scorpion41 posted...
Majin_Buuhan posted...
SweetieBelle462 posted...
The23rdMagus posted...
Bad_Mojo posted...
The only real issue with this is that if you can earn a livable wage flipper burgers, what makes people want to go out and get the better, but harder jobs?

Better than just a "livable" wage.

Kolibri X posted...
High school tier jobs are meant to be temporary. Get roommates or get a real job.

So the jobs are necessary, but the people who do them deserve poverty?


People like you frame this issue incorrectly.

When you work a minimum wage job, even if it is full time, you are doing the least critical work for the company.

You will be compensated accordingly. If it doesn't combat your needs, like for some reason you would have kids, then you meet somebody halfway. The solution is to do things like get roommates and take public transit.


???

no burger flippers, cashiers, or custodians and the company goes under.

how is that not critical?


I think he means expendable and/or easily replaced. These jobs require very little training and you can literally replace your whole staff with no drop in productivity. These are not jobs you should pay $12-15 an hour for. They are entry level jobs for kids in school.

yet if someone does land one of these jobs with full time hours, they should be paid a livable wage.
in fact, the part-timers and casuals should be paid the same by the hour. They would get less than livable wage overall due to less hours worked, but an hour is an hour.
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rexcrk
07/03/18 9:28:12 AM
#98:


Kolibri X posted...
High school tier jobs are meant to be temporary. Get roommates or get a real job.

Theres always that one jackass who says this bullshit in these types of threads.

Drives me crazy.
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MedzXVIII
07/03/18 9:29:18 AM
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you can live off minimum wage if you stop going to starbucks
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Rika_Furude
07/03/18 9:30:53 AM
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MedzXVIII posted...
you can live off minimum wage if you stop going to starbucks

explain how someone pays for the following in america on minimum wage

Shelter, clothing, food, water, transportation, electricity, internet, cheap hobby/entertainment
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scorpion41
07/03/18 9:30:57 AM
#101:


Rika_Furude posted...
scorpion41 posted...
Majin_Buuhan posted...
SweetieBelle462 posted...
The23rdMagus posted...
Bad_Mojo posted...
The only real issue with this is that if you can earn a livable wage flipper burgers, what makes people want to go out and get the better, but harder jobs?

Better than just a "livable" wage.

Kolibri X posted...
High school tier jobs are meant to be temporary. Get roommates or get a real job.

So the jobs are necessary, but the people who do them deserve poverty?


People like you frame this issue incorrectly.

When you work a minimum wage job, even if it is full time, you are doing the least critical work for the company.

You will be compensated accordingly. If it doesn't combat your needs, like for some reason you would have kids, then you meet somebody halfway. The solution is to do things like get roommates and take public transit.


???

no burger flippers, cashiers, or custodians and the company goes under.

how is that not critical?


I think he means expendable and/or easily replaced. These jobs require very little training and you can literally replace your whole staff with no drop in productivity. These are not jobs you should pay $12-15 an hour for. They are entry level jobs for kids in school.

yet if someone does land one of these jobs with full time hours, they should be paid a livable wage.
in fact, the part-timers and casuals should be paid the same by the hour. They would get less than livable wage overall due to less hours worked, but an hour is an hour.


Even if you managed to get a full-time schedule(unlikely in the fast food business), it doesnt change the dynamic of the job. These jobs exist solely as temp jobs and are currently, and correctly, compensated for being such.
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