Poll of the Day > Had to call the paramedics on my brother today. FUCK.

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likehelly posted...

LinkPizza posted...

likehelly posted...

synthetic weed isn't going to show up on a tox screen, and it sounds like that's what he was on

You seem to want it to be drugs for some reason...

cuz it usually always is, js

everything he keeps describing sounds exactly like what synthetic weed can do to you

i mean, obviously if it's still happening while he's in a hospital then it's not it

Sure. Though, based on certain facts from TC, it seemed it was unlikely that it was drugs, though.

T0ffee posted...

Jen0125 posted...

psych hospitals aren't bad at all. it won't be harsh for him so don't worry. they'll help him a lot.

Thanks Jen.

Though I still can't help feeling like maybe I shouldn't have called 911 and started this whole mess in the first place.

I keep wondering if maybe he really would have been alright if I just left him to finish his weird meditation.

A few hours after we got home, he immediately called us and he was crying and distraught about everything that happened, so much so that he wasn't eating.

We kept trying to convince him to eat over the phone. We kept saying that everything will be all right. We kept saying "let them help you," "you need to get better," all while he himself kept saying that he wasn't insane.

It's fucking tough and I want to cry and scream, but I have to be the strong older brother and tell him that he can get through this. I need to be strong so that my mom, who's raised us all by herself, doesn't just give up and break down. I need to be strong so that my younger brother, who actually stands a chance at a good future, doesn't get worried while he's at school.

Youre doing better than me. I couldnt have left anyone. Id feel really bad. Like, I feel like they could help. But I would also still be scared, thinking the worse. Like I would feel like thenstaff wild still treat them like they were insane, even though hes not. And stuff like that. And I know it would just be mynoveractive imagination, but still...
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The first time you realize that there is zero difference between your thoughts and the brightness of the Sun can be an enlightening and harrowing experience.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

The first time you realize that there is zero difference between your thoughts and the brightness of the Sun can be an enlightening and harrowing experience.

Shut the fuck up.
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Damn man, hope he gets better bro

When you say psych ward is that the same as a... I wanna say asylum but thats obviously the wrong word... mental health institute? You know what I mean. Is that where theyre putting him? Or is it literally just a diff wing of a normal ass hospital?

Also you shouldnt feel bad for calling 911 and disturbing his trance. The responsible thing to do was to call your mother and call an ambulance. Not knowing what was going on, he could very well have been on a bad trip and ended up hurting himself or worse for all you knew.

So yeah you did the best you could with what you knew, no reason to feel bad
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I hope he gets to a place where you'll be able to visit soon. This has got to be hard for everyone. Especially him since he doesn't have you all with him. But at least you can still talk to him. Here's hoping for the best!
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FatalAccident posted...

When you say psych ward is that the same as a... I wanna say asylum but thats obviously the wrong word... mental health institute? You know what I mean. Is that where theyre putting him? Or is it literally just a diff wing of a normal ass hospital?

usually they're their own hospitals but sometimes they're wings of regular hospitals. they look just like regular hospitals but with more safety precautions.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

The first time you realize that there is zero difference between your thoughts and the brightness of the Sun can be an enlightening and harrowing experience.

legit can't tell if you're being serious anymore.
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Cacciato posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

The first time you realize that there is zero difference between your thoughts and the brightness of the Sun can be an enlightening and harrowing experience.

Shut the fuck up.

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Tell him if he doesn't snap out of it and conform, they'll put him on permanent meds and he'll be stuck in the hospital until he conforms. Happened to me, i spent a year total in various psych wards because i wouldn't fake being allright, i actually wanted to get better. Some of the people you meet in there are all right, but it is a very traumatic experience for most people.

okay that makes sense

must be terrifying for him though esp for someone who's adamant he's not mentally ill. hopefully they look after him
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minervo posted...

Tell him if he doesn't snap out of it and conform, they'll put him on permanent meds and he'll be stuck in the hospital until he conforms. Happened to me, i spent a year total in various psych wards because i wouldn't fake being allright, i actually wanted to get better. Some of the people you meet in there are all right, but it is a very traumatic experience for most people.

what? that's not true at all and your experience is not the norm. there is no "conforming" and if that happened to you you should have asked to be transferred to a different facility. they will only continue to hold you if you're a danger to yourself or others or you are consistently suicidal.

if not they'll assess you, diagnose you, get you started on medication, develop a treatment plan and help you find a team of doctors on the outside to help you with your long term care and then release you.
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Sounds scary.
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Jen0125 posted...

minervo posted...

Tell him if he doesn't snap out of it and conform, they'll put him on permanent meds and he'll be stuck in the hospital until he conforms. Happened to me, i spent a year total in various psych wards because i wouldn't fake being allright, i actually wanted to get better. Some of the people you meet in there are all right, but it is a very traumatic experience for most people.

what? that's not true at all and your experience is not the norm. there is no "conforming" and if that happened to you you should have asked to be transferred to a different facility. they will only continue to hold you if you're a danger to yourself or others or you are consistently suicidal.

if not they'll assess you, diagnose you, get you started on medication, develop a treatment plan and help you find a team of doctors on the outside to help you with your long term care and then release you.

If the doctor decides self-imposing a catatonic state is a danger to yourself then they will keep him there until he snaps out of it and conforms. I've seen people for years in psych wards, many of them were harmless but doing or thinking what's considered abnormal. They restrict your freedom, label you with a mental illness, and put you on meds. Certain meds can fuck up your brain chemistry for the rest of your life. But what can ya do?

you're using the word conform in a way that isn't correct. how do you expect someone in a catatonic state to function properly outside of a hospital setting? if you are in a catatonic state constantly no wonder they held you. they need to get medications correctly. who cares if you have a mental illness? it's not a negative trait. it's a chemical imbalance. there's nothing wrong with having to take medication to correct it.

they're not going to hold you in an psychiatric hospital because you have non-conforming opinions about society or some bs like that like you're making it seem. it needs to be pretty serious for you to be involuntarily held in a hospital of that nature.
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All i'm saying is yes, they will keep you there for as long as they feel like it or until he snaps out of it and conforms to them. You're looking at this as an outsider but to him, what he's doing probably seems ok in his mind. If it's a physical condition like a stroke then i see what you mean, but this may just be a personality thing. If they put you on meds, it's often a lifelong thing and being called crazy for what you consider a spiritual thing can be crushing.

no they won't keep you there "as long as they feel like it." they'll keep you there as long as medically necessary. you're misrepresenting the situation to someone who is already scared. stop using scare tactics to frighten the TC.

i'm on lifelong meds for mental illness. i'm not an "outsider" whatever the fuck that means. i've been in a psychiatric facility. i was just in one in april.

if you're having delusions and you believe they're spiritual it's unfortunate if being told otherwise will "crush" you but you need to be brought back to reality.
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I'm trying to inform the tc to be vigilant and talk to his bro about the reality of what happens at psych wards and afterwards. I'm concerned about his bro because i've been in a similar situation.

minervo posted...

I'm trying to inform the tc to be vigilant and talk to his bro about the reality of what happens at psych wards and afterwards. I'm concerned about his bro because i've been in a similar situation.

She's right, you are prematurely painting a worst case scenario.
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Okay but you're not talking about the reality. You're talking about some extreme situation that isn't likely to happen unless his brother is severely mentally ill. The only thing that may be likely if he is diagnosed that you've said is potentially lifelong medication which isn't really a big deal.
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Sorry this whole incident is happening; hopefully things will turn for the better soon.
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How much is the hospital bill?
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Jen0125 posted...

psych hospitals aren't bad at all. it won't be harsh for him so don't worry. they'll help him a lot.

They won't do anything for him and they'll shove him with a huge US medical bill.

The second he gets out, if he gained anything from being in there he'll want to go back and simply go back to what he was doing before.

Basically I see him paying $5000 to try to convince his brother to stop taking recreational drugs.
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US psych wards are great if you want to be unable to leave until you choke down the pills they make you take for 3 days...7..

Then the pills make you have violent visions and the stuff they pushed on you often isnt even in your best interest, but what companies have paid for docs to push your meds.

To those that actually have gone through the mental healthcare here you start to realize you have to doctor shop, jump through hoops, perform mystic rituals and shit to MAYBE get someone that listens and actually wants to help you. Even then shit is fucked.

What was that statistic? 90 percent of school shootings in the past decade were from people who were on meds their doc gave em? Something like that.

Holy ramble
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I hate psych wards. The doctor spends like 10 seconds with you and then holds you for longer or adjusts your meds. Like really, you got a read on what was wrong with me from that? It's a damn joke.

Its pretty clearly acid. And yes that would be easy to take without you noticing

SunWuKung420 posted...

The first time you realize that there is zero difference between your thoughts and the brightness of the Sun can be an enlightening and harrowing experience.

The sun doesn't think you're an asshole though.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

The first time you realize that there is zero difference between your thoughts and the brightness of the Sun can be an enlightening and harrowing experience.

Lmao omg

OhhhJa posted...

Its pretty clearly acid. And yes that would be easy to take without you noticing

LSD never made me drool uncontrollably.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Its pretty clearly acid. And yes that would be easy to take without you noticing

LSD never made me drool uncontrollably.

Probably because you kept your mouth shut for once.
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Cacciato posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Its pretty clearly acid. And yes that would be easy to take without you noticing

LSD never made me drool uncontrollably.

Probably because you kept your mouth shut for once.

Oh shit LOL!
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Jen0125 posted...

no they won't keep you there "as long as they feel like it." they'll keep you there as long as medically necessary. you're misrepresenting the situation to someone who is already scared. stop using scare tactics to frighten the TC.

i'm on lifelong meds for mental illness. i'm not an "outsider" whatever the fuck that means. i've been in a psychiatric facility. i was just in one in april.

if you're having delusions and you believe they're spiritual it's unfortunate if being told otherwise will "crush" you but you need to be brought back to reality.

Psychiatric facilities can be radically different. I've been in multiple and they treated the patients very differently.
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Ok so I can see where minervo, The_Numerous and some other people are coming from.

It is a fact that some hospitals are quick to just prescribe meds and call it a day, without truly taking their time to analyze all the nuances of their patent's case.

But at the same time I am definitely worried that he might just act like he's alright, without really allowing himself to be healed or expressing his emotions so that the therapists can get to the underlying cause of WHY he started doing his meditations in the first place. And Jen has it right that that's something only time in the hospital and medicine can fix.

Fortunately he responded very well to the ativan he took before he got the mri, and that was the part where I talked about him being lucid in the afternoon when we were there. It was only after it wore off that he started insisting on doing his weird hand waving things again.

So with that the doctor said that her plan was to get him to be in a position where he feels like he doesn't need to do his rituals for a while, since those are what make him go catatonic, and then try to see if he can be helped with therapy or at least try to uncover some sort of deeper problems that caused this.

The good news is that he was able to be processed very quickly and he should be able to be moved to a proper ward that allows him to have visitors by tomorrow.
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DrPrimemaster posted...

Jen0125 posted...

no they won't keep you there "as long as they feel like it." they'll keep you there as long as medically necessary. you're misrepresenting the situation to someone who is already scared. stop using scare tactics to frighten the TC.

i'm on lifelong meds for mental illness. i'm not an "outsider" whatever the fuck that means. i've been in a psychiatric facility. i was just in one in april.

if you're having delusions and you believe they're spiritual it's unfortunate if being told otherwise will "crush" you but you need to be brought back to reality.

Psychiatric facilities can be radically different. I've been in multiple and they treated the patients very differently.

Yeah I understand that. That's why I said to minervo if you feel a hospital is holding you for an entire year against your will for no reason... Maybe ask for a transfer.
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Also, quick side note, this whole incident must have been more emotionally draining to me than I thought because I just cried when I was watching a video of some guy analyzing the empowering aspect of Bravely Default's ost.

And I almost never cry.

I tend to think of myself as a not very emotional type of person, more often suggesting ways and steps to help solve a person's problems rather than offering emotional support.

But man, I don't know why, when the video guy was talking about the game using music to highlight the player's experience of overcoming challenges and all that stuff, I started crying.

I wasn't all-out blubbering or anything like that, but there were tears streaming down my face.

I need to try and get my shit together, before I make my family worry even more.
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Hey, it's okay to cry. Stop acting like you need to be a string tough guy. If you don't want your family to see take a few minutes privately in your room or in the bathroom and cry. But if you're feeling upset talk to your mom about it. Bottling feelings and stuffing emotions can be harmful for your own mental health. There's nothing wrong with being emotionally vulnerable. You can still be there for your family while expressing that this is affecting you too.
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For anyone that says it must be drugs

https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/8xaq8g/meditating-can-lead-you-to-dark-places

Hang in there. Your feelings are valid. Don't be afraid to express them.
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I didn't know meditation could be such scary stuff

I definitely have to second the idea that it's a psychotic episode. Which can happen for so many different reasons that it can happen to almost anyone. But of course I still have that on my mind since it hasn't been that long since I was psychotic.

In my case the prevailing theory is that my MS caused a lesion in my brain in a bad spot and away I went.

Having visions of being near Nirvana is sure as hell close to what was going on in my mind.

Also I really hate when people demonize all mental health care facilities just because some people have bad experiences. You know what, if you end up in one, you probably belong in one. For the safety of everyone. And yeah, you lose freedoms and get pissed off about how little the actual doctor talks to you. Yeah, you get medicated and kept until they think it's working. Yeah, some people have bad reactions to meds.

But you know what also happens, at least in decent facilities that should remain open? You get counseling and group therapy. You get art time and music time. You get to know the other people who are in there and watch them slowly feel better. I watched a completely catatonic girl not even react to stimuli for three days but by the time I left she was starting to play and laugh and talk. These places exist for a reason.

I spent a week in the mental hospital on two different occasions last year, and while I am not on the medication they prescribed me there, they helped keep me safe until I got a good doctor and got on the right meds.

And I really really fucking hate it when people demonize all psych meds. Because again, yes, some people have bad reactions to them. I personally almost killed myself because of one med. But fuck you if you think there isn't a real need for it and that it doesn't save the lives of the people meds work for. My current medication has me more stable and calm than I've ever been in my life. To the point where I regret most of my life being wasted without it.

Anyway, TC... If he's in a nice facility, I wouldn't worry about him. He may be pissed off and bored before they let him go, but they'll try to help him as much as possible.

Most likely he'll end up having to see a psychiatrist or something after he gets out.

Whatever it is that's happened to him, I hope that he recovers well. Being different from yourself is strange and scary.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

For anyone that says it must be drugs

https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/8xaq8g/meditating-can-lead-you-to-dark-places

Hang in there. Your feelings are valid. Don't be afraid to express them.

It's possible. But it's also more possible that a kid decided to try acid. The same type of people that are interested in meditating are often interested in psychedelics

OhhhJa posted...

The same type of people that are interested in meditating are often interested in psychedelics

LMFAO!!

OhhhJa posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

For anyone that says it must be drugs

https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/8xaq8g/meditating-can-lead-you-to-dark-places

Hang in there. Your feelings are valid. Don't be afraid to express them.

It's possible. But it's also more possible that a kid decided to try acid. The same type of people that are interested in meditating are often interested in psychedelics

You keep insisting that the answer is something you already know about. You're implying you know everything there is to know about the brain. People who spend their entire lives studying the brain don't know as much as you, apparently.

I have a hard time believing meditation can drive you insane. I can't even make it work for me.

I saw a video of an obese woman going crazy spouting demon language before someone did an exorcism on her. Does it count as losing your mind if you're just a total fool?

Drugs actually work whether you want them to or not.
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green dragon posted...

OhhhJa posted...

The same type of people that are interested in meditating are often interested in psychedelics

LMFAO!!

I cant tell if you're agreeing or laughing at what I'm saying but in assuming you're laughing at it because of our prior encounters

DrunkCaveman posted...

You keep insisting that the answer is something you already know about. You're implying you know everything there is to know about the brain. People who spend their entire lives studying the brain don't know as much as you, apparently.

Vice News knows about the brain?

Yellow posted...

I have a hard time believing meditation can drive you insane. I can't even make it work for me.

I saw a video of an obese woman going crazy spouting demon language before someone did an exorcism on her. Does it count as losing your mind if you're just a total fool?

Drugs actually work whether you want them to or not.

Well I'd say it's more foolish to do an exorcism.
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The exorcism was what got her to shut up, lol.
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Yellow posted...

The exorcism was what got her to shut up, lol.

Was probably a video for the views then.
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Eh, we know people like that exist, so it didn't seem too fake.
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Yellow posted...

Eh, we know people like that exist, so it didn't seem too fake.

Yes crazy people exist.
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I'm sorry to hear about all this. Some of the situation hits close to home for me. All I can do is offer my condolences, prayer, and wait and see your next update.
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