Poll of the Day > So I saw Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom, pretty good, but 2 really stupid parts

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Spoilers obviously

First was near the beginning, several smaller things like, the "paleoveteranarian" never seeing a dinosaur before. Like how are you a vet on something you have never seen? How could you possibly be able to help an animal so drastically different from everything you could practice on? And how hard would it have been to just have made her character someone who had worked at the park before and managed to escape?

And then later, they said Blu you smell you from a mile away, and they would NEVER be able to catch her without Owen, but Owen managed to look at her location, go there, park like 500 feet away and walk the rest of the way and be like, "oh wow, she's right here and hasn't moved at all" AND she gets surrounded by like 20 of the other dudes somehow, without picking up their scent from a mile away. Like wooowww, that seemed so hard, and Owen was soooo necessary. Then the sudden turn of events where the guy helping them was a traitor all along, which had like no foreshadowing and just came off as more confusing than shocking.

Lastly, the price they sold the friking dinosaurs at. The dude was happy with a measely$128 milli for half the dinos, INCLUDING THE SECRET ULTIMATE KILLER DEATH WEAPON DINO PROTOTYPE. After it took like 2 huge ass cargo ships, 50-100 huge ass cargo trucks, 10-20 helicopters, and however many hundreds of people to operate that whole thing for the long ass time they were there.

ONE FUCKING APACHE COSTS LIKE 35 MILLION, THAT'S ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE PRICE FOR HALF OF THE FUCKING DINOSAURS. Like really, it just felt insulting for them to pretend like that was a lot of money, no one other than a little kid would think that was a lot of money for the billions it took to get the dinosaurs there. That was the part that pissed me off the most by far. Legit made it feel like a little kids movie with that bullshit alone.

And the ending was kinda anticlimactic, just "well, fuck you humans, you live with dinosaurs now, get over it, the end"

But in general, it was pretty good. I'd say I'd give it an 8/10, but that absolute bullshit child's play money situation was just so stupid to me that it alone makes me lean closer to a 7/10. Cuz again just to recap, this rich ass dude in a big ass mansion with a bigass multi level underground laboratory filled to the brim with cunning edge technology to revive dinosaurs, is bringing back a handful of the last dinosaurs on Earth with the help of a small army, and is selling them to the richest people in the world for, if I had to guess and end price for them all based on how the auction was going, no more than a quarter million dollars. Pocket change for anyone in a situation like him. So stupid
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Also, just noticed a put 3 major points lol, first was supposed to be a smaller like mini point
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The movie is really dumb on the island, but when it gets to the mansion, does it start getting really good again.

TheWorstPoster posted...

The movie is really dumb on the island, but when it gets to the mansion, does it start getting really good again.

Yea, it's really good there, stuff starts to actually happen, the dumbass auction is dumb and right in the middle of the good parts, but still, especially after the auction is really cool.
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Yeah I definitely saw myself going that shit isnt realistic a bunch of times and then having to remind myself movie with dinosaurs

Even the part at the start where he is passed out next to the lava. Lava that close to your body and face and clothed would fuck you up

I'm pretty sure you can't give T-Rex blood to a Velociraptor and expect it to survive.

The movie was kinda dumb but it was still an ok film.
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SirPikachu posted...

Lastly, the price they sold the friking dinosaurs at. The dude was happy with a measely$128 milli for half the dinos, INCLUDING THE SECRET ULTIMATE KILLER DEATH WEAPON DINO PROTOTYPE. After it took like 2 huge ass cargo ships, 50-100 huge ass cargo trucks, 10-20 helicopters, and however many hundreds of people to operate that whole thing for the long ass time they were there.

ONE FUCKING APACHE COSTS LIKE 35 MILLION, THAT'S ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE PRICE FOR HALF OF THE FUCKING DINOSAURS. Like really, it just felt insulting for them to pretend like that was a lot of money, no one other than a little kid would think that was a lot of money for the billions it took to get the dinosaurs there. That was the part that pissed me off the most by far. Legit made it feel like a little kids movie with that bullshit alone.

You think that is bad Dennis Nedry agreed to steal a bunch of embryos for $1.5 million dollars. Or about $2,583,092 today.

He probably could've gotten a easy 10 million for the job.
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Instead of the volcanic eruptions happening naturally, the plot should have been that the President doesn't publicly acknowledge the existence of the park, but nuking it as part of a "military operations", which would have caused the eruptions to begin with, with the intent of killing the dinosaurs before they become a public threat.

Not nearly as scientific, but it would have justified that the islands would not have been destroyed by volcanoes by themselves.

Zangulus posted...

People bitch when there are no shocking turn of events.

People bitch when there are.

You have to earn twists, though. Otherwise they just come across like bullshit asspulls.

Anyone can write a twist. The true skill is being able to seed clues to that twist in earlier scenes, so that the audience feels stupid for not figuring it out and impressed that you set things up so they could have (especially if they watch and pick up on all the things they missed on a second viewing).


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SirPikachu posted...

And then later, they said Blu you smell you from a mile away, and they would NEVER be able to catch her without Owen, but Owen managed to look at her location, go there, park like 500 feet away and walk the rest of the way and be like, "oh wow, she's right here and hasn't moved at all" AND she gets surrounded by like 20 of the other dudes somehow, without picking up their scent from a mile away. Like wooowww, that seemed so hard, and Owen was soooo necessary.

I guess they were trying to sell the fact that Blue wouldn't feel in danger as long as Owen was there, no matter which other smells she had felt, but it didn't work that well.

Then the sudden turn of events where the guy helping them was a traitor all along, which had like no foreshadowing and just came off as more confusing than shocking.

Honestly, I knew this was going to happen the moment I laid my eyes on the guy...

Zangulus posted...

I disagree. Why would they have wanted Blue to begin with? Shes a single animal. No mates. Saving her would have been nigh on pointless. And the guy was obviously up to something from the beginning.

I saw it coming a mile away.

Yeah but weren't they all single animals? I don't think they saved multiples of any of them, aside from the fact that they're not supposed to be able to breed.

The whole story was stupid. "Should we go through all this effort to save the dinosaurs from extinction?" Who tf cares, just make more. Apparently it's not that hard to do.

And if you're gonna try to tell me they didn't have their DNA, I'm just gonna get more mad.
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Yea, no I like twists normally, but we had like one experience with the dude, and it just felt kinda odd, and then once he didn't listen to Owen and tranqued him, I still thought he was just a douche, didn't realize til after they left Owen to the lava that, oh shit, he was a bad guy all along.

I dunno, just feel like there could have been just a little more leading up to that.

And no, there's no justifying that pitiful amount of money. No one involved in the selling of the dinosaurs should have been happy with a measely 128 million. They all would have wanted more than a tiny sliver of the cost it took to bring them there. No one in their right mind would be like, yea I can sell these at a negative 1000% profit, it's ok, I have other money
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Zangulus posted...

I disagree.

You're free to disagree with what I said, but if you do you're objectively wrong.

Now, you CAN debate whether or not the twist was earned in the movie (something which I have no opinion on, because I haven't seen the movie and have no real intention to ever see the movie), but that's an entirely different discussion.

My point is simply that any twist, in any medium, needs to be earned, or it's bullshit. Any goober can whip out new characters or completely conceal evidence from the audience to make themselves seem smarter when they pull the reveal, but that sort of twist is meaningless and unsatisfying. A good writer needs to build to the twist effectively, and establish the building blocks in previous moments to lead up to that twist.


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@Zangulus
Even if you have the vehicles they will still cost additional money to operate though. The drivers need salary for driving them and the vehicles themselves need gas, etc.
I think that was what he meant.
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I guess you're right but honestly though, why wouldn't they sell one dinosaur alone for hundreds of millions of dollars though?
They're still freaking dinosaurs which are animals that used to be extinct.
And I'm sure those rich people still could've bought them even if they did jack up the prices for them.
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Zangulus posted...

SirPikachu posted...

And no, there's no justifying that pitiful amount of money. No one involved in the selling of the dinosaurs should have been happy with a measely 128 million. They all would have wanted more than a tiny sliver of the cost it took to bring them there. No one in their right mind would be like, yea I can sell these at a negative 1000% profit, it's ok, I have other money

Missing.

The.

Point.

They probably already owned the ships, helicopters, and other equipment. The guy was a literal billionaire with established businesses. They weren't offsetting the cost of equipment against the auction. They weren't even offsetting the cost of the people against the auction, because they were being paid by Lockwood to begin with.

Hell, they even used Lockwood's money to set up the lab and the sales area.

It was seed money, that they would have, that Lockwood wouldn't have to fund.

They didn't go out and buy brand new vehicles and ships in order to do this. Your idea of spending millions upon millions for that is flawed to begin with.

Edit: Overall, I enjoyed the movie. But there were some pretty bad parts. It was derivative of Lost World anyway. Hell, both movies so far have been basically slightly more successful derivatives of Park and Lost World.

You didn't like it, it's cool. I just think your idea of the money situation is wrong. But no worries.

I never said I didn't like it, I did like it, a lot. But I still don't think your reasoning explains the cost of the dinosaurs. It still would have a fuck ton of money to send those guys out if they did own it all, and then that money aint jack shit to start up anything compared to what he already has.

I'm sorry, but no matter how I look at it, that amount of money would be minuscule to that guy, and no matter how you spin it, the last handful of dinosaurs on Earth should be worth more than normal military vehicles. Why would the last living triceratops cost as much as an Apache?
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The problem is that the latest installment fails to punctuated on the series strong point which is scenes that quite obviously revolve around certain predators. This may last movie didn't use that formula and I think it's suffered as a result of it. I came to watch a movie about dinosaurs eating people and what do I get? I get a big scheme about how rich people are assholes with some dinosaur coverage here and there and while people do get eaten it's like somehow only selectively the bad people? What the f***?

I thought it was ok
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dioxxys posted...

The problem is that the latest installment fails to punctuated on the series strong point which is scenes that quite obviously revolve around certain predators. This may last movie didn't use that formula and I think it's suffered as a result of it. I came to watch a movie about dinosaurs eating people and what do I get? I get a big scheme about how rich people are assholes with some dinosaur coverage here and there and while people do get eaten it's like somehow only selectively the bad people? What the f***?

Nah, the strong parts are those tense moments where it really makes you wonder if they are going to get eaten or not, and the movie delivered on that, even tho none of the good guys died this time (tho I felt bad for that one guy in the beginning).

LeetCheet posted...

I'm pretty sure you can't give T-Rex blood to a Velociraptor and expect it to survive.

I checked and it turns out you can

They love it
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VixYW posted...

dioxxys posted...

The problem is that the latest installment fails to punctuated on the series strong point which is scenes that quite obviously revolve around certain predators. This may last movie didn't use that formula and I think it's suffered as a result of it. I came to watch a movie about dinosaurs eating people and what do I get? I get a big scheme about how rich people are assholes with some dinosaur coverage here and there and while people do get eaten it's like somehow only selectively the bad people? What the f***?

Nah, the strong parts are those tense moments where it really makes you wonder if they are going to get eaten or not, and the movie delivered on that, even tho none of the good guys died this time (tho I felt bad for that one guy in the beginning).

Even the 3rd movie in the installment is better then the lastest movie.

It follows a very simple pattern.

Its almost a showcasing for how to make the dinosaurs look the coolest they can. You can tell the movie centers around them. We have clear decisive scenes in the 3rd movie featuring Pteranodons, Spinosaurus, and of course velociraptors.

Its like the whole movie was built up from the ground up because it wanted to center around these dinos. Jurassic World felt more like the dinosaurs took a backseat until the very end of the movie and even then it was meh. I mean the killer weaponized dinosaur was cool but could have been implemented better.

Imagine if almost the whole movie had taken place on the island, there would be SO MANY juicy things going against the protagonists. There would be the hired mercenaries against them. It was have been a lot cooler if the eruption was a slow overflow, that way as the movie progress it would slowly closed off parts of the island. Then when the rich people got tired of the mercenaries failing, theyd give the okay to release the weaponized dinosaur on them. Mixed in with some other dinosaurs on the island this could have been a stellar movie but it was so squandered.

Instead we get the tree huggers crying about dinos being made money off of and the "oh look rich people are evil bs". And somehow inexplicably the only main characters that get eaten by dinosaurs are the evil people, lol go figure. Thats another aspect of the movie missed out on. The old trilogy was more kind of the typical horror flick where you know half the cast is going to get eaten even if they're good people or interesting characters you dont want to die.

MICHALECOLE posted...

Yeah I definitely saw myself going that shit isnt realistic a bunch of times and then having to remind myself movie with dinosaurs

Even the part at the start where he is passed out next to the lava. Lava that close to your body and face and clothed would fuck you up

There is nothing wrong with complaining about a movie breaking suspension of disbelief.

Just because a story is fictional doesn't mean it has to be poorly written.
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dioxxys posted...

VixYW posted...

dioxxys posted...

The problem is that the latest installment fails to punctuated on the series strong point which is scenes that quite obviously revolve around certain predators. This may last movie didn't use that formula and I think it's suffered as a result of it. I came to watch a movie about dinosaurs eating people and what do I get? I get a big scheme about how rich people are assholes with some dinosaur coverage here and there and while people do get eaten it's like somehow only selectively the bad people? What the f***?

Nah, the strong parts are those tense moments where it really makes you wonder if they are going to get eaten or not, and the movie delivered on that, even tho none of the good guys died this time (tho I felt bad for that one guy in the beginning).

Even the 3rd movie in the installment is better then the lastest movie.

It follows a very simple pattern.

Its almost a showcasing for how to make the dinosaurs look the coolest they can. You can tell the movie centers around them. We have clear decisive scenes in the 3rd movie featuring Pteranodons, Spinosaurus, and of course velociraptors.

Its like the whole movie was built up from the ground up because it wanted to center around these dinos. Jurassic World felt more like the dinosaurs took a backseat until the very end of the movie and even then it was meh. I mean the killer weaponized dinosaur was cool but could have been implemented better.

Imagine if almost the whole movie had taken place on the island, there would be SO MANY juicy things going against the protagonists. There would be the hired mercenaries against them. It was have been a lot cooler if the eruption was a slow overflow, that way as the movie progress it would slowly closed off parts of the island. Then when the rich people got tired of the mercenaries failing, theyd give the okay to release the weaponized dinosaur on them. Mixed in with some other dinosaurs on the island this could have been a stellar movie but it was so squandered.

Instead we get the tree huggers crying about dinos being made money off of and the "oh look rich people are evil bs". And somehow inexplicably the only main characters that get eaten by dinosaurs are the evil people, lol go figure. Thats another aspect of the movie missed out on. The old trilogy was more kind of the typical horror flick where you know half the cast is going to get eaten even if they're good people or interesting characters you dont want to die.

They were definitively going for a different approach for whatever reason, and more than a couple of interesting things came out of it (one of them being the build up for the next movie, which has a lot of potential). But yeah, weird that only the bad guys died. I could swear that the glasses guy was going to be the first one to get eaten. XD