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KhanJohnny
06/27/18 5:58:10 PM
#202:


DarkTransient posted...
KhanJohnny posted...
Yeah evidence that they might have similar brains in some way or another, is very strong evidence that they can feel like the other sex, but to say that it makes them the other sex, presumes that we base our definition of male and female on the basis of what your brain looks like. That has never been the case in Western history, nor do I think that it should logically be the case now. Again, science does not provide the answer for how we define man and woman.


Basically, what's going on is that the body's sex, doesn't match the brain's sex.

You're ultimately saying "the body is right". But arguably, wouldn't the brain be more critical to determining one's identity than the body?

Imo no. Because this is not a question of identity at all. And making it about identity, actually renders the concept of gender incomprehensible, because we no longer have a consistent definition for what a man or woman is, because there are no longer any identifiable traits for what those words mean.

Man or woman no longer means person with testes or ovaries, but instead become traitless words.

If you were to look into a dictionary written by progressives, the entry for man would read "A person who identifies as a man".
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DarkTransient
06/27/18 5:59:07 PM
#203:


Conflict posted...
Pro-lifers are universally immature and unable to grasp several concepts

1. Women having the right to their own body
2. Most terminated pregnancies are not for "shits and giggles". Health reasons and generally not being able to afford it. Not being able to afford take care of the baby results in shitty living conditions and development for said baby.
3. Birth control is not 100% effective no matter what dumb percentage rates you want to pull out of your rectum.
4. Adoption is not an effective alternative unless you actually think it's good for a child to have absolutely no family
5. You need to get over your dumbass feelings and assess situations from an objective point of view instead of screaming bloody murder every time this subject comes up


1. Their own, sure. That right ends once someone else's is involved.
2. Do you also consider those acceptable excuses for neglect or abuse, then?
3. The statement is true but it does not in any way justify abortion.
4. They do have family, just not family that they're blood-related to. Which generally doesn't matter.
5. Projecting much?
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DarkTransient
06/27/18 5:59:55 PM
#204:


KhanJohnny posted...
DarkTransient posted...
KhanJohnny posted...
Yeah evidence that they might have similar brains in some way or another, is very strong evidence that they can feel like the other sex, but to say that it makes them the other sex, presumes that we base our definition of male and female on the basis of what your brain looks like. That has never been the case in Western history, nor do I think that it should logically be the case now. Again, science does not provide the answer for how we define man and woman.


Basically, what's going on is that the body's sex, doesn't match the brain's sex.

You're ultimately saying "the body is right". But arguably, wouldn't the brain be more critical to determining one's identity than the body?

Imo no. Because this is not a question of identity at all. And making it about identity, actually renders the concept of gender incomprehensible, because we no longer have a consistent definition for what a man or woman is, because there are no longer any identifiable traits for what those words mean.

Man or woman no longer means person with testes or ovaries, but instead become traitless words.

If you were to look into a dictionary written by progressives, the entry for man would read "A person who identifies as a man".


But what's wrong with defining it as "someone who has brain structure features including <insert male-specific structures here>"?
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hockeybub89
06/27/18 6:00:47 PM
#205:


KhanJohnny posted...
DarkTransient posted...
KhanJohnny posted...
Yeah evidence that they might have similar brains in some way or another, is very strong evidence that they can feel like the other sex, but to say that it makes them the other sex, presumes that we base our definition of male and female on the basis of what your brain looks like. That has never been the case in Western history, nor do I think that it should logically be the case now. Again, science does not provide the answer for how we define man and woman.


Basically, what's going on is that the body's sex, doesn't match the brain's sex.

You're ultimately saying "the body is right". But arguably, wouldn't the brain be more critical to determining one's identity than the body?

Imo no. Because this is not a question of identity at all. And making it about identity, actually renders the concept of gender incomprehensible, because we no longer have a consistent definition for what a man or woman is, because there are no longer any identifiable traits for what those words mean.

Man or woman no longer means person with testes or ovaries, but instead become traitless words.

If you were to look into a dictionary written by progressives, the entry for man would read "A person who identifies as a man".

You said it's a philosophical question, so easy on the "Nothing means anything if it isn't concrete."
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Mist_Turnips
06/27/18 6:02:35 PM
#206:


Ending the right to gay marriage would be stupid. But knocking out abortion sounds hilarious.
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hockeybub89
06/27/18 6:03:12 PM
#207:


DarkTransient posted...
1. Their own, sure. That right ends once someone else's is involved

Nope. No one ever has a right to anyone else's body. The fetus can develop itself If it doesn't want to be held to the whims of its mother.
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BWLurker2
06/27/18 6:04:11 PM
#208:


Mist_Turnips posted...
Ending the right to gay marriage would be stupid. But knocking out abortion sounds hilarious.

Why hilarious? Really dumb choice of words. Though I shouldn't expect more from a guy who told Doom_Art he got his cancer from shitposting.
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Damn_Underscore
06/27/18 6:05:54 PM
#210:


Religious opinion: Abortion should be legal, but it is literally homicide. If you get an abortion you will have to answer for that when you are judged by God.
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BWLurker2
06/27/18 6:07:06 PM
#211:


Damn_Underscore posted...
Religious opinion: Abortion should be legal, but it is literally homicide. If you get an abortion you will have to answer for that when you are judged by God.

Separation of church and state. Who cares what God (who may or may not even exist) thinks?
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Abyssea
06/27/18 6:07:22 PM
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I do think that transgender stuff needs more research before we can definitively say what is going on with it. I don't see anything wrong with guys being feminine or girls being masculine, but gender reassignment surgery has always seemed such a barbaric way of "fixing" the problem. I think a healthier approach would be to help the person learn to live comfortably in their own body.

Because at the end of the day, no amount of surgery and hormones is going to truly change your biological sex. Fighting a war against your own body just sounds so unhealthy. And we don't even know the long term effects of these hormones and surgeries. :/ Like what if your trans vagina just falls off once you're 90+ years old? It all just sounds so risky to me, and this is coming from a gay man.

It makes me uncomfortable that people are voluntarily getting a "treatment" that was originally used to try and fix gay men, often by force. But then again, who am I to say what they should do with their bodies?
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SnoicFactor
06/27/18 6:08:05 PM
#214:


gay rights is a shame. Abortion is fair next.
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Jergensmeat
06/27/18 6:08:18 PM
#215:


What about special ed? Or agency for the elderly? Or hiring the age of driving to 21(youth rights)?
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KhanJohnny
06/27/18 6:09:32 PM
#216:


DarkTransient posted...
KhanJohnny posted...
DarkTransient posted...
KhanJohnny posted...
Yeah evidence that they might have similar brains in some way or another, is very strong evidence that they can feel like the other sex, but to say that it makes them the other sex, presumes that we base our definition of male and female on the basis of what your brain looks like. That has never been the case in Western history, nor do I think that it should logically be the case now. Again, science does not provide the answer for how we define man and woman.


Basically, what's going on is that the body's sex, doesn't match the brain's sex.

You're ultimately saying "the body is right". But arguably, wouldn't the brain be more critical to determining one's identity than the body?

Imo no. Because this is not a question of identity at all. And making it about identity, actually renders the concept of gender incomprehensible, because we no longer have a consistent definition for what a man or woman is, because there are no longer any identifiable traits for what those words mean.

Man or woman no longer means person with testes or ovaries, but instead become traitless words.

If you were to look into a dictionary written by progressives, the entry for man would read "A person who identifies as a man".


But what's wrong with defining it as "someone who has brain structure features including <insert male-specific structures here>"?

Because having similar brains doesn't mean all that much to me. Lots of people are born with brains that are screwed up in a lot of harmful ways. I wouldn't be surprised if people suffering from body integrity disorder had brains similar to amputees, but that doesn't make them amputees, in my opinion nor justify cutting off limbs. In most

cases normally acknolwedge such things as disorders. If we don't do it here, then I don't see what distinguishes this particular form of cognitive dissonance from so many others. A person can strongly, absolutely feel that something is true, and this may even be outside of their control, without rendering it absolutely true.

When your "man" brain causes you significant psychological stress, causes you to undergo extensive medical treatments and surgery to reach your desired state, you are probably suffering from a disorder.
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Damn_Underscore
06/27/18 6:13:19 PM
#217:


BWLurker2 posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Religious opinion: Abortion should be legal, but it is literally homicide. If you get an abortion you will have to answer for that when you are judged by God.

Separation of church and state. Who cares what God (who may or may not even exist) thinks?


You should care if God or a god exists and thinks that homicide is wrong.

Even if God doesn't exist, it's still about morality and weighing the pros and cons of getting an abortion. Very few people would say that that getting an abortion for fun is morally OK.
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TheCrimsonAngel
06/27/18 6:14:20 PM
#218:


Fuck this stupid country.
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BWLurker2
06/27/18 6:14:39 PM
#219:


Damn_Underscore posted...
BWLurker2 posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Religious opinion: Abortion should be legal, but it is literally homicide. If you get an abortion you will have to answer for that when you are judged by God.

Separation of church and state. Who cares what God (who may or may not even exist) thinks?


You should care if God or a god exists and thinks that homicide is wrong.

Even if God doesn't exist, it's still about morality and weighing the pros and cons of getting an abortion. Very few people would say that that getting an abortion for fun is morally OK.

Now this is a fucking strawman if ever there was one. Find me one person arguing for the right to have abortions for fun
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Damn_Underscore
06/27/18 6:19:22 PM
#220:


People get them. They part of abortion being legal. So are abortions that happen because the pregnancy was a mistake and you have no other reason to get one other than the person feels like it.

Those are things that you'll have to answer for when you are judged by God.
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DavidWong
06/27/18 6:20:06 PM
#221:


Most people in Australia don't believe in God so we're sweet here
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Abyssea
06/27/18 6:20:41 PM
#222:


Damn_Underscore posted...
People get them. They part of abortion being legal. So are abortions that happen because the pregnancy was a mistake and you have no other reason to get one other than the person feels like it.

Those are things that you'll have to answer for when you are judged by God.


I doubt God cares that much about dead babies. He killed hundreds of them in the old testament.
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BWLurker2
06/27/18 6:21:04 PM
#223:


Damn_Underscore posted...
People get them. They part of abortion being legal. So are abortions that happen because the pregnancy was a mistake and you have no other reason to get one other than the person feels like it.

Those are things that you'll have to answer for when you are judged by God.

What the fuck? You're making even less sense than usual. A genuine accomplishment. If the pregnancy was a mistake, that's a reason other than "the person feels like it"
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itachi15243
06/27/18 6:25:17 PM
#224:


The republicans will now control every branch of our government. We are so fucked as a country.
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Damn_Underscore
06/27/18 6:25:50 PM
#225:


BWLurker2 posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
People get them. They part of abortion being legal. So are abortions that happen because the pregnancy was a mistake and you have no other reason to get one other than the person feels like it.

Those are things that you'll have to answer for when you are judged by God.

If the pregnancy was a mistake, that's a reason other than "the person feels like it"


Ok... once again you'll have to answer for that when you are judged by God, but that's not a reason to make abortion illegal.

Many people who are pro-life aren't 100% pro-life. There are certain situations, such as the mother's life being at risk, where they believe abortion is justified.
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Cthulhu_Fhtagn
06/27/18 6:27:23 PM
#226:


itachi15243 posted...
The republicans will now control every branch of our government. We are so fucked as a country.


Who exactly is fucked?
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Webmaster4531
06/27/18 6:28:14 PM
#227:


Damn_Underscore posted...
BWLurker2 posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
People get them. They part of abortion being legal. So are abortions that happen because the pregnancy was a mistake and you have no other reason to get one other than the person feels like it.

Those are things that you'll have to answer for when you are judged by God.

If the pregnancy was a mistake, that's a reason other than "the person feels like it"


Ok... once again you'll have to answer for that when you are judged by God, but that's not a reason to make abortion illegal.

Many people who are pro-life aren't 100% pro-life. There are certain situations, such as the mother's life being at risk, where they believe abortion is justified.

How about if a women is desperate enough for a dangerous back alley abortion?
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TheCrimsonAngel
06/27/18 6:29:31 PM
#228:


Cthulhu_Fhtagn posted...
itachi15243 posted...
The republicans will now control every branch of our government. We are so fucked as a country.


Who exactly is fucked?

Everyone who's not white, male christian and wealthy
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Mist_Turnips
06/27/18 6:30:05 PM
#229:


BWLurker2 posted...
Mist_Turnips posted...
Ending the right to gay marriage would be stupid. But knocking out abortion sounds hilarious.

Why hilarious? Really dumb choice of words. Though I shouldn't expect more from a guy who told Doom_Art he got his cancer from shitposting.

Keep your meltdown to one topic, mysterybumper.
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MrPeppers
06/27/18 6:30:31 PM
#230:


shockthemonkey posted...
MrPeppers posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Cthulhu_Fhtagn posted...
Does anyone know the statistics on reasons why women get abortions? I'm legitimately asking. Between rape, just don't want to be an adult, and health reasons. Health issues I definitely get and they're pretty much why I'm in the middle and would vote in favor of abortions if I needed to.

Its generally people who didnt want to get pregnant, dont have the means to raise a child, and dont want to or cant physically handle the stress of pregnancy.


Medically indicated abortions (High likelihood of maternal mortality or fetal anomaly not compatible with lif) should not be included in your list.

Why should a statistically relevant reason why women get abortions not be included on a list of reasons why women get abortions?


Because an abortion ban would definitively not include that category of abortion
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BWLurker2
06/27/18 6:31:37 PM
#231:


Mist_Turnips posted...
BWLurker2 posted...
Mist_Turnips posted...
Ending the right to gay marriage would be stupid. But knocking out abortion sounds hilarious.

Why hilarious? Really dumb choice of words. Though I shouldn't expect more from a guy who told Doom_Art he got his cancer from shitposting.

Keep your meltdown to one topic, mysterybumper.

You've lost me. Mysterybumper?
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Webmaster4531
06/27/18 6:33:02 PM
#232:


MrPeppers posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
MrPeppers posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Cthulhu_Fhtagn posted...
Does anyone know the statistics on reasons why women get abortions? I'm legitimately asking. Between rape, just don't want to be an adult, and health reasons. Health issues I definitely get and they're pretty much why I'm in the middle and would vote in favor of abortions if I needed to.

Its generally people who didnt want to get pregnant, dont have the means to raise a child, and dont want to or cant physically handle the stress of pregnancy.


Medically indicated abortions (High likelihood of maternal mortality or fetal anomaly not compatible with lif) should not be included in your list.

Why should a statistically relevant reason why women get abortions not be included on a list of reasons why women get abortions?


Because an abortion ban would definitively not include that category of abortion

It's not definite at all. Entirely possible.
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MrPeppers
06/27/18 6:35:03 PM
#233:


Webmaster4531 posted...
MrPeppers posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
MrPeppers posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Cthulhu_Fhtagn posted...
Does anyone know the statistics on reasons why women get abortions? I'm legitimately asking. Between rape, just don't want to be an adult, and health reasons. Health issues I definitely get and they're pretty much why I'm in the middle and would vote in favor of abortions if I needed to.

Its generally people who didnt want to get pregnant, dont have the means to raise a child, and dont want to or cant physically handle the stress of pregnancy.


Medically indicated abortions (High likelihood of maternal mortality or fetal anomaly not compatible with lif) should not be included in your list.

Why should a statistically relevant reason why women get abortions not be included on a list of reasons why women get abortions?


Because an abortion ban would definitively not include that category of abortion

It's not definite at all. Entirely possible.


You do realize that hospitals that do not perform abortions, in even the strictest southern states, perform medically indicated abortions.
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SuperMariano3
06/27/18 6:35:14 PM
#234:


Damn. This is all because Trump won. If Hillary had won it would be 6-3 in favor of liberals. Now it gonna be 6-3 conservatives for several decades. Thanks a lot all those people who stayed home.
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Abyssea
06/27/18 6:36:47 PM
#235:


MrPeppers posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
MrPeppers posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
MrPeppers posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Cthulhu_Fhtagn posted...
Does anyone know the statistics on reasons why women get abortions? I'm legitimately asking. Between rape, just don't want to be an adult, and health reasons. Health issues I definitely get and they're pretty much why I'm in the middle and would vote in favor of abortions if I needed to.

Its generally people who didnt want to get pregnant, dont have the means to raise a child, and dont want to or cant physically handle the stress of pregnancy.


Medically indicated abortions (High likelihood of maternal mortality or fetal anomaly not compatible with lif) should not be included in your list.

Why should a statistically relevant reason why women get abortions not be included on a list of reasons why women get abortions?


Because an abortion ban would definitively not include that category of abortion

It's not definite at all. Entirely possible.


You do realize that hospitals that do not perform abortions, in even the strictest southern states, perform medically indicated abortions.


those crazy right to life people don't want abortions to be legal under any circumstance.
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Webmaster4531
06/27/18 6:37:46 PM
#236:


MrPeppers posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
MrPeppers posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
MrPeppers posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Cthulhu_Fhtagn posted...
Does anyone know the statistics on reasons why women get abortions? I'm legitimately asking. Between rape, just don't want to be an adult, and health reasons. Health issues I definitely get and they're pretty much why I'm in the middle and would vote in favor of abortions if I needed to.

Its generally people who didnt want to get pregnant, dont have the means to raise a child, and dont want to or cant physically handle the stress of pregnancy.


Medically indicated abortions (High likelihood of maternal mortality or fetal anomaly not compatible with lif) should not be included in your list.

Why should a statistically relevant reason why women get abortions not be included on a list of reasons why women get abortions?


Because an abortion ban would definitively not include that category of abortion

It's not definite at all. Entirely possible.


You do realize that hospitals that do not perform abortions, in even the strictest southern states, perform medically indicated abortions.

And? They'll stop.
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DevsBro
06/27/18 6:38:39 PM
#237:


BWLurker2 posted...
PiOverlord posted...
I'll cheer and throw a party when Roe v. Wade is eliminated.

It'll just mean more women dead from botched back alley abortions

Why hello again teleological ethics, it's been AGES since I wisened up and left you.
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Funbazooka
06/27/18 6:39:13 PM
#238:


Cthulhu_Fhtagn posted...
itachi15243 posted...
The republicans will now control every branch of our government. We are so fucked as a country.


Who exactly is fucked?

Left-wing believes America is ruled over by the reincarnation of Hitler, for all intents and purposes. Their sense of reality is that warped.
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MrPeppers
06/27/18 6:40:19 PM
#239:


Abyssea posted...


those crazy right to life people don't want abortions to be legal under any circumstance.

I dont doubt that. And I dont doubt that people will try to push for more restrictive abortion laws, especially for elective ones. Even with a predominantly right-wing Supreme Court, a complete 100% abortion ban for all abortions blanket statement is pure fearmongering. Literally people would not be allowed to have life saving emergency surgeries for ectopic pregnancies if this were the case.
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DarkTransient
06/27/18 6:42:47 PM
#240:


SuperMariano3 posted...
Damn. This is all because Trump won. If Hillary had won it would be 6-3 in favor of liberals. Now it gonna be 6-3 conservatives for several decades. Thanks a lot all those people who stayed home.


To be fair, this is a symptom of the weird way US politics works. If you're going to have a system where it's decided by (with some proportional adjustments) how each state voted, rather than the overall national vote, you're going to get a lot of people who think their state is solidly going one way or the other not bothering to vote.

I would not agree with retroactively applying "popular vote decides" in any case, because how the candidates would need to campaign will be different under such a system. Even just applying it to future cases, indeed, gives undue power to particularly large states. But perhaps ditching the "winner takes all" and instead each state distributing its EC votes based on the proportions of popular vote within the state...
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BWLurker2
06/27/18 6:44:21 PM
#241:


DevsBro posted...
BWLurker2 posted...
PiOverlord posted...
I'll cheer and throw a party when Roe v. Wade is eliminated.

It'll just mean more women dead from botched back alley abortions

Why hello again teleological ethics, it's been AGES since I wisened up and left you.

You're using that wrong. I'm not using ends to justify means. I'm just pointing out what will logically follow. I justify abortions by believing it's a woman's right to decide if she wants to carry to term.
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Prestoff
06/27/18 6:46:28 PM
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It would be political suicide to make gay marriage illegal, but i can Iefinitely see Roe vs Wade being undone, considering what administration we're in.
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ThePieReborn
06/27/18 6:48:47 PM
#243:


Would seem to me to be an odd walking back of the privacy liberty interest insofar as bodily integrity goes, as well as being at odds with the common law regarding personhood.
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TheCrimsonAngel
06/27/18 6:49:37 PM
#244:


Prestoff posted...
It would be political suicide to make gay marriage illegal

Why do people say this?

This administration continuously does things that should be political suicide and nothing happens.

If we've learned nothing it's that Trump can say or do whatever he wants up to and including insult POWs and his followers don't give a shit.
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DevsBro
06/27/18 6:50:01 PM
#245:


BWLurker2 posted...
DevsBro posted...
BWLurker2 posted...
PiOverlord posted...
I'll cheer and throw a party when Roe v. Wade is eliminated.

It'll just mean more women dead from botched back alley abortions

Why hello again teleological ethics, it's been AGES since I wisened up and left you.

You're using that wrong. I'm not using ends to justify means. I'm just pointing out what will logically follow. I justify abortions by believing it's a woman's right to decide if she wants to carry to term.

No I'm using it correctly. Teleological ethics is the broad umbrella over beliefs that the driving force of right and wrong is the result. The "ends justify the means" philosophy is more specific.
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Abyssea
06/27/18 6:52:17 PM
#246:


TheCrimsonAngel posted...
Prestoff posted...
It would be political suicide to make gay marriage illegal

Why do people say this?

This administration continuously does things that should be political suicide and nothing happens.

If we've learned nothing it's that Trump can say or do whatever he wants up to and including insult POWs and his followers don't give a shit.


legislatively, they haven't done anything all that bad besides try to cripple the ACA. I think a lot of people have just stopped taking Trump's ridiculous commentary on things seriously.
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BWLurker2
06/27/18 6:54:45 PM
#247:


DevsBro posted...
BWLurker2 posted...
DevsBro posted...
BWLurker2 posted...
PiOverlord posted...
I'll cheer and throw a party when Roe v. Wade is eliminated.

It'll just mean more women dead from botched back alley abortions

Why hello again teleological ethics, it's been AGES since I wisened up and left you.

You're using that wrong. I'm not using ends to justify means. I'm just pointing out what will logically follow. I justify abortions by believing it's a woman's right to decide if she wants to carry to term.

No I'm using it correctly. Teleological ethics is the broad umbrella over beliefs that the driving force of right and wrong is the result. The "ends justify the means" philosophy is more specific.

And I'm telling you that I'm not basing my beliefs on "women will do it anyway and get hurt" that's just an effect that will happen.
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BLAKUboy
06/27/18 6:57:40 PM
#248:


TheCrimsonAngel posted...
Why do people say this?

This administration continuously does things that should be political suicide and nothing happens.

If we've learned nothing it's that Trump can say or do whatever he wants up to and including insult POWs and his followers don't give a shit.

Nothing ever seems to hit Trump (yet) sure, but other people in his orbit have not been nearly so lucky. And here, you'll note, we're talking about Supreme Court Justices. Not Trump.
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DevsBro
06/27/18 6:59:55 PM
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I'll cheer and throw a party when Roe v. Wade is eliminated.

It'll just mean more women dead from botched back alley abortions

Why hello again teleological ethics, it's been AGES since I wisened up and left you.

You're using that wrong. I'm not using ends to justify means. I'm just pointing out what will logically follow. I justify abortions by believing it's a woman's right to decide if she wants to carry to term.

No I'm using it correctly. Teleological ethics is the broad umbrella over beliefs that the driving force of right and wrong is the result. The "ends justify the means" philosophy is more specific.

And I'm telling you that I'm not basing my beliefs on "women will do it anyway and get hurt" that's just an effect that will happen.

I see.

My mistake.
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SodomInsane
06/27/18 7:09:11 PM
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Feel bad for Merrick Garland. He might never get nominated again.
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UnholyMudcrab
06/27/18 7:10:09 PM
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Feel bad for Merrick Garland. He might never get nominated again.

McConnell should be in prison for what he did
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Tropicalwood
06/27/18 7:11:18 PM
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SodomInsane posted...
Feel bad for Merrick Garland. He might never get nominated again.

Not as bad as millions of Americans would be when he overturned the results of Heller.
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