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Im_JustMe0129 06/27/18 5:10:45 PM #152:	And both sides will continue their eternal squabbling. If you all care so damn about politics.....throw your hats in the ring.....oh wait, that requires actual time, effort, and work.....its easier to posture, grand stand, and appear intellectually superior behind a keyboard than it is to get up and get outside to do this. <cite>Im_JustMe0129 posted [p:904077550] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote>And both sides will continue their eternal squabbling. If you all care so damn about politics.....throw your hats in the ring.....oh wait, that requires actual time, effort, and work.....its easier to posture, grand stand, and appear intellectually superior behind a keyboard than it is to get up and get outside to do this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 06/27/18 5:11:42 PM #153:	UnholyMudcrab posted... Zeeak4444 posted... Opposers of it are the vast minority. The Republicans have been working against public opinion for basically their entire agenda. They don't give a shit what the people think, just their donors. Agreed but this is a big blow with no "legal justification" that would be overturning what is viewed as a fundamental right to the vast majority of the nation. One often viewed as a law geared towards the betterment of society. While it might not be, I wouldn't be surprised if this decision was the first to draw blood. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:904077605] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnholyMudcrab posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>Opposers of it are the vast minority.</quote> The Republicans have been working against public opinion for basically their entire agenda. They don't give a shit what the people think, just their donors.</quote> Agreed but this is a big blow with no "legal justification" that would be overturning what is viewed as a fundamental right to the vast majority of the nation. One often viewed as a law geared towards the betterment of society. While it might not be, I wouldn't be surprised if this decision was the first to draw blood.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cthulhu_Fhtagn 06/27/18 5:11:59 PM #154:	Im_JustMe0129 posted... And both sides will continue their eternal squabbling. If you all care so damn about politics.....throw your hats in the ring.....oh wait, that requires actual time, effort, and work.....its easier to posture, grand stand, and appear intellectually superior behind a keyboard than it is to get up and get outside to do this. What nonsense is this? This is a place for discussion and that's what everyone is doing. You can talk about without having to go run for office. --- Last night I saw a superhero, he was black He said this is for the street... https://imgtc.com/i/1xVSRqT.png <cite>Cthulhu_Fhtagn posted [p:904077624] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>Im_JustMe0129 posted...</cite> <quote>And both sides will continue their eternal squabbling. If you all care so damn about politics.....throw your hats in the ring.....oh wait, that requires actual time, effort, and work.....its easier to posture, grand stand, and appear intellectually superior behind a keyboard than it is to get up and get outside to do this.</quote> What nonsense is this? This is a place for discussion and that's what everyone is doing. You can talk about without having to go run for office.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/27/18 5:12:20 PM #155:	Im_JustMe0129 posted... And both sides will continue their eternal squabbling. If you all care so damn about politics.....throw your hats in the ring.....oh wait, that requires actual time, effort, and work.....its easier to posture, grand stand, and appear intellectually superior behind a keyboard than it is to get up and get outside to do this. You conveniently didn't mention money. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:904077645] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>Im_JustMe0129 posted...</cite> <quote>And both sides will continue their eternal squabbling. If you all care so damn about politics.....throw your hats in the ring.....oh wait, that requires actual time, effort, and work.....its easier to posture, grand stand, and appear intellectually superior behind a keyboard than it is to get up and get outside to do this.</quote> You conveniently didn't mention money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/27/18 5:12:32 PM #156:	Zeeak4444 posted... Roe vs wade being repealed would cause chaos. I'd argue it would be the start of a real revolt. Outside of truly dickish "for the purpose of" state legislation, there'd still be the option of buying a greyhound ticket. States actively undoing Obergefell in the wake of an overturn, however, would be like an abortion law mandating someone who's had an abortion in the past be compelled to immediately become pregnant. Rika_Furude posted... I have mixed feelings about aborting but i support giving aid to whoever needs it, not just families If only there were a way to accomplish that without confiscating it from someone else. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:904077656] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>Roe vs wade being repealed would cause chaos. I'd argue it would be the start of a real revolt. </quote> Outside of truly dickish "for the purpose of" state legislation, there'd still be the option of buying a greyhound ticket. States actively undoing Obergefell in the wake of an overturn, however, would be like an abortion law mandating someone who's had an abortion in the past be compelled to immediately become pregnant. <cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>I have mixed feelings about aborting but i support giving aid to whoever needs it, not just families</quote> If only there were a way to accomplish that without confiscating it from someone else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 06/27/18 5:12:53 PM #157:	brb running for President --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:904077680] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote>brb running for President</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cthulhu_Fhtagn 06/27/18 5:13:23 PM #158:	hockeybub89 posted... brb running for President lmao --- Last night I saw a superhero, he was black He said this is for the street... https://imgtc.com/i/1xVSRqT.png <cite>Cthulhu_Fhtagn posted [p:904077721] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>brb running for President</quote> lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 06/27/18 5:13:55 PM #159:	Zeeak4444 posted... Roe vs wade being repealed would cause chaos. I'd argue it would be the start of a real revolt. Opposers of it are the vast minority. This is objectively false. There is exactly the same percentage of pro-lifers as there are pro-choicers. https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx 48% on both sides. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Howl posted [p:904077756] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>Roe vs wade being repealed would cause chaos. I'd argue it would be the start of a real revolt. Opposers of it are the vast minority.</quote> This is objectively false. There is exactly the same percentage of pro-lifers as there are pro-choicers. https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx 48% on both sides.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/27/18 5:14:35 PM #160:	Hey everyone. Howl said it won't happen so feel better. I'll keep my eyes open, all the same, thanks. KhanJohnny posted... Sound reasoning isn't the same as relying on feelings. That I am a man, is based on more than my feelings about it. There is scientific evidence for how we should define men and women, but that only provides the material for us to form our conceptions about the two genders.The progressive understanding of gender, based on the available evidence, is self-contradictory and irrational. That is why it's a bad definition. Not because I feel differently about it. All you have is evidence to back up your feeling that you're a man. Not proof. Things you have been taught that have told you "you are a man because..." We keep learning. We evolve our understanding of science. Biological sex is not an immutable "one or the other" and we've known about that for quite some time. What is self-contradictory about "the progressive understanding of gender"? --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:904077782] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote>Hey everyone. Howl said it won't happen so feel better. I'll keep my eyes open, all the same, thanks. <cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote>Sound reasoning isn't the same as relying on feelings. That I am a man, is based on more than my feelings about it. There is scientific evidence for how we should define men and women, but that only provides the material for us to form our conceptions about the two genders.The progressive understanding of gender, based on the available evidence, is self-contradictory and irrational. That is why it's a bad definition. Not because I feel differently about it.</quote> All you have is evidence to back up your feeling that you're a man. Not proof. Things you have been taught that have told you "you are a man because..." We keep learning. We evolve our understanding of science. Biological sex is not an immutable "one or the other" and we've known about that for quite some time. What is self-contradictory about "the progressive understanding of gender"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DavidWong 06/27/18 5:15:35 PM #161:	America all about freedom yet trying to take freedoms away --- When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will. Frederic Bastiat, French economist (1801-1850) <cite>DavidWong posted [p:904077844] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote>America all about freedom yet trying to take freedoms away </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KhanJohnny 06/27/18 5:15:59 PM #162:	CyricZ posted... Hey everyone. Howl said it won't happen so feel better. I'll keep my eyes open, all the same, thanks. KhanJohnny posted... Sound reasoning isn't the same as relying on feelings. That I am a man, is based on more than my feelings about it. There is scientific evidence for how we should define men and women, but that only provides the material for us to form our conceptions about the two genders.The progressive understanding of gender, based on the available evidence, is self-contradictory and irrational. That is why it's a bad definition. Not because I feel differently about it. All you have is evidence to back up your feeling that you're a man. Not proof. Things you have been taught that have told you "you are a man because..." We keep learning. We evolve our understanding of science. Biological sex is not an immutable "one or the other" and we've known about that for quite some time. What is self-contradictory about "the progressive understanding of gender"? I can't go into detail because GameFAQs might ban me. But you can search for yourself arguments against transgender identity quite easily using Google. <cite>KhanJohnny posted [p:904077872] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>Hey everyone. Howl said it won't happen so feel better. I'll keep my eyes open, all the same, thanks. <cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote>Sound reasoning isn't the same as relying on feelings. That I am a man, is based on more than my feelings about it. There is scientific evidence for how we should define men and women, but that only provides the material for us to form our conceptions about the two genders.The progressive understanding of gender, based on the available evidence, is self-contradictory and irrational. That is why it's a bad definition. Not because I feel differently about it.</quote> All you have is evidence to back up your feeling that you're a man. Not proof. Things you have been taught that have told you "you are a man because..." We keep learning. We evolve our understanding of science. Biological sex is not an immutable "one or the other" and we've known about that for quite some time. What is self-contradictory about "the progressive understanding of gender"?</quote> I can't go into detail because GameFAQs might ban me. But you can search for yourself arguments against transgender identity quite easily using Google.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cthulhu_Fhtagn 06/27/18 5:16:25 PM #163:	I dislike when someone says "everyone is against or everyone is for" whatever the thing is that there's this huge never-ending debate over. If that were the case there wouldn't be a constant debate, no? --- Last night I saw a superhero, he was black He said this is for the street... https://imgtc.com/i/1xVSRqT.png <cite>Cthulhu_Fhtagn posted [p:904077907] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote>I dislike when someone says "everyone is against or everyone is for" whatever the thing is that there's this huge never-ending debate over. If that were the case there wouldn't be a constant debate, no?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 06/27/18 5:18:02 PM #164:	Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 3 (2) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:904078007] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote>Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 06/27/18 5:18:19 PM #165:	CyricZ posted... I'll keep my eyes open, all the same, thanks. I know that you are the kind of person who lacks logical reasoning skills and believes when he hears a bump in his room at night that that means there is literally a Boogeyman in his closet. You don't have to remind everyone else of that fact, I'm pretty sure they all know that as well. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Howl posted [p:904078030] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote> I'll keep my eyes open, all the same, thanks. </quote> I know that you are the kind of person who lacks logical reasoning skills and believes when he hears a bump in his room at night that that means there is literally a Boogeyman in his closet. You don't have to remind everyone else of that fact, I'm pretty sure they all know that as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 06/27/18 5:20:05 PM #166:	voldothegr8 posted... Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case. Republicans can very easily force an abortion case very easily. Southern states have already been trying to restrict abortions as is and the whole tax bill having added bit to define when life starts. I wouldn't be so dismissive about the abortion part. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:904078156] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case.</quote> Republicans can very easily force an abortion case very easily. Southern states have already been trying to restrict abortions as is and the whole tax bill having added bit to define when life starts. I wouldn't be so dismissive about the abortion part.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Letron_James 06/27/18 5:20:53 PM #167:	Gonna make use of Roe V Wade while i can --- Ask me if I would eat da booty. <cite>Letron_James posted [p:904078199] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote>Gonna make use of Roe V Wade while i can </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BWLurker2 06/27/18 5:21:07 PM #168:	voldothegr8 posted... Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case. It's been one of Trump's running talking points to overturn Roe v Wade. What makes you think he won't jump at the actual chance to do so? <cite>BWLurker2 posted [p:904078218] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case.</quote> It's been one of Trump's running talking points to overturn Roe v Wade. What makes you think he won't jump at the actual chance to do so?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/27/18 5:21:50 PM #169:	voldothegr8 posted... Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case. https://newrepublic.com/minutes/137950/trump-vows-will-overturn-roe-v-wade-automatically --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:904078271] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case.</quote> https://newrepublic.com/minutes/137950/trump-vows-will-overturn-roe-v-wade-automatically</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 06/27/18 5:22:18 PM #170:	Tmaster148 posted... voldothegr8 posted... Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case. Republicans can very easily force an abortion case very easily. Southern states have already been trying to restrict abortions as is and the whole tax bill having added bit to define when life starts. I wouldn't be so dismissive about the abortion part. The SCOTUS rarely touches a case twice. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 3 (2) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:904078299] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case.</quote> Republicans can very easily force an abortion case very easily. Southern states have already been trying to restrict abortions as is and the whole tax bill having added bit to define when life starts. I wouldn't be so dismissive about the abortion part.</quote> The SCOTUS rarely touches a case twice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 06/27/18 5:23:19 PM #171:	Webmaster4531 posted... voldothegr8 posted... Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case. https://newrepublic.com/minutes/137950/trump-vows-will-overturn-roe-v-wade-automatically Where's our wall?!? --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 19; PiO ATTN: 2 RotM wins 1, https://imgur.com/a/JTCCy JUST MONIKA JUST MONIKA JUST MONIKA JUST MONIKA <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:904078369] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case.</quote> https://newrepublic.com/minutes/137950/trump-vows-will-overturn-roe-v-wade-automatically</quote> Where's our wall?!?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voldothegr8 06/27/18 5:23:35 PM #173:	Webmaster4531 posted... voldothegr8 posted... Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case. https://newrepublic.com/minutes/137950/trump-vows-will-overturn-roe-v-wade-automatically "We believe everything Trump says now" --- Oda break tracker 2018- 3 (2) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:904078391] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case.</quote> https://newrepublic.com/minutes/137950/trump-vows-will-overturn-roe-v-wade-automatically</quote> "We believe everything Trump says now"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/27/18 5:23:36 PM #174:	voldothegr8 posted... Tmaster148 posted... voldothegr8 posted... Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case. Republicans can very easily force an abortion case very easily. Southern states have already been trying to restrict abortions as is and the whole tax bill having added bit to define when life starts. I wouldn't be so dismissive about the abortion part. The SCOTUS rarely touches a case twice. They constantly get abortion ban cases. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:904078394] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case.</quote> Republicans can very easily force an abortion case very easily. Southern states have already been trying to restrict abortions as is and the whole tax bill having added bit to define when life starts. I wouldn't be so dismissive about the abortion part.</quote> The SCOTUS rarely touches a case twice.</quote> They constantly get abortion ban cases.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BWLurker2 06/27/18 5:24:09 PM #175:	M_Live posted... ItsVinceRusso posted... Need to term limit these fucking judges Seriously What was the original logic behind lifetime appointments? <cite>BWLurker2 posted [p:904078437] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>M_Live posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ItsVinceRusso posted...</cite> <quote>Need to term limit these fucking judges</quote> Seriously</quote> What was the original logic behind lifetime appointments?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/27/18 5:24:19 PM #176:	Howl posted... CyricZ posted... I'll keep my eyes open, all the same, thanks. I know that you are the kind of person who lacks logical reasoning skills and believes when he hears a bump in his room at night that that means there is literally a Boogeyman in his closet. You don't have to remind everyone else of that fact, I'm pretty sure they all know that as well. And I know that you're the kind that if a liberal told you you were on fire, you'd spend your last agonizing minutes in a CE topic denying it. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:904078443] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote> I'll keep my eyes open, all the same, thanks. </quote> I know that you are the kind of person who lacks logical reasoning skills and believes when he hears a bump in his room at night that that means there is literally a Boogeyman in his closet. You don't have to remind everyone else of that fact, I'm pretty sure they all know that as well.</quote> And I know that you're the kind that if a liberal told you you were on fire, you'd spend your last agonizing minutes in a CE topic denying it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/27/18 5:24:24 PM #177:	voldothegr8 posted... Webmaster4531 posted... voldothegr8 posted... Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case. https://newrepublic.com/minutes/137950/trump-vows-will-overturn-roe-v-wade-automatically "We believe everything Trump says now" Why would he lie about that? --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:904078454] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case.</quote> https://newrepublic.com/minutes/137950/trump-vows-will-overturn-roe-v-wade-automatically</quote> "We believe everything Trump says now"</quote> Why would he lie about that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 06/27/18 5:25:02 PM #178:	Webmaster4531 posted... voldothegr8 posted... Webmaster4531 posted... voldothegr8 posted... Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case. https://newrepublic.com/minutes/137950/trump-vows-will-overturn-roe-v-wade-automatically "We believe everything Trump says now" Why would he lie about that? According to you guys he lies about everything. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 3 (2) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:904078500] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case.</quote> https://newrepublic.com/minutes/137950/trump-vows-will-overturn-roe-v-wade-automatically</quote> "We believe everything Trump says now"</quote> Why would he lie about that?</quote> According to you guys he lies about everything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KhanJohnny 06/27/18 5:25:18 PM #179:	BWLurker2 posted... M_Live posted... ItsVinceRusso posted... Need to term limit these fucking judges Seriously What was the original logic behind lifetime appointments? So that they couldn't be politically influenced once on the bench, and won't just take on whatever position happens to be popular in 2018 or whenever they're up for reappointment/reelection. <cite>KhanJohnny posted [p:904078516] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>BWLurker2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>M_Live posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ItsVinceRusso posted...</cite> <quote>Need to term limit these fucking judges</quote> Seriously</quote> What was the original logic behind lifetime appointments?</quote> So that they couldn't be politically influenced once on the bench, and won't just take on whatever position happens to be popular in 2018 or whenever they're up for reappointment/reelection.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/27/18 5:25:48 PM #180:	voldothegr8 posted... Webmaster4531 posted... voldothegr8 posted... Webmaster4531 posted... voldothegr8 posted... Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case. https://newrepublic.com/minutes/137950/trump-vows-will-overturn-roe-v-wade-automatically "We believe everything Trump says now" Why would he lie about that? According to you guys he lies about everything. What guys? --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:904078541] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Liberals acting like the sky is falling again. Neither will be overturned and probably neither will even get a case.</quote> https://newrepublic.com/minutes/137950/trump-vows-will-overturn-roe-v-wade-automatically</quote> "We believe everything Trump says now"</quote> Why would he lie about that?</quote> According to you guys he lies about everything.</quote> What guys?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/27/18 5:27:03 PM #181:	KhanJohnny posted... I can't go into detail because GameFAQs might ban me. But you can search for yourself arguments against transgender identity quite easily using Google. "I don't want to argue!" argues gets responded to "I don't want to argue!" Please to piss or get off thine pot. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:904078605] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote>I can't go into detail because GameFAQs might ban me. But you can search for yourself arguments against transgender identity quite easily using Google.</quote> "I don't want to argue!" argues gets responded to "I don't want to argue!" Please to piss or get off thine pot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkTransient 06/27/18 5:27:09 PM #183:	shockthemonkey posted... Cthulhu_Fhtagn posted... I can't see this happening, at all. I'm pro gay marriage and don't care either way about abortion. I just don't see it. This is typical overreaction. People come out and cry things like this "wah this is the end of America" every day over every thing. Trump has labeled his administration as the most anti-abortion administration in history. He wants this to be part of his legacy. Red states have passed strict abortion laws that they know will be shot down just in hopes of bringing them before the Supreme Court and overturning Roe v Wade. This is a stated goal of the people currently in charge of the company. Okay, y'kno. I am 100% on board with banning abortion (very strictly with an exception if the mother's life is in danger otherwise - I would choose "fully legal" over "that exception doesn't exist", despite absolutely hating the idea of it being legal). The rest of this post is not addressing abortion specifically. Just the way they're going about trying to make that change. But in general, the fact that THAT is how the American system needs to work - pass illegal laws, to get them challenged up to Supreme Court level, and retroactively legalized - does that not indicate that the system is, y'kno, kinda really messed up in general? --- http://www.facebook.com/loaocos/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAfJB3KYYDg <cite>DarkTransient posted [p:904078610] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cthulhu_Fhtagn posted...</cite> <quote>I can't see this happening, at all. I'm pro gay marriage and don't care either way about abortion. I just don't see it. This is typical overreaction. People come out and cry things like this "wah this is the end of America" every day over every thing.</quote> Trump has labeled his administration as the most anti-abortion administration in history. He wants this to be part of his legacy. Red states have passed strict abortion laws that they know will be shot down just in hopes of bringing them before the Supreme Court and overturning Roe v Wade. This is a stated goal of the people currently in charge of the company.</quote> Okay, y'kno. I am 100% on board with banning abortion (very strictly with an exception if the mother's life is in danger otherwise - I would choose "fully legal" over "that exception doesn't exist", despite absolutely hating the idea of it being legal). The rest of this post is not addressing abortion specifically. Just the way they're going about trying to make that change. But in general, the fact that THAT is how the American system needs to work - pass illegal laws, to get them challenged up to Supreme Court level, and retroactively legalized - does that not indicate that the system is, y'kno, kinda really messed up in general?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 06/27/18 5:27:50 PM #184:	CyricZ posted... Howl posted... CyricZ posted... I'll keep my eyes open, all the same, thanks. I know that you are the kind of person who lacks logical reasoning skills and believes when he hears a bump in his room at night that that means there is literally a Boogeyman in his closet. You don't have to remind everyone else of that fact, I'm pretty sure they all know that as well. And I know that you're the kind that if a liberal told you you were on fire, you'd spend your last agonizing minutes in a CE topic denying it. Jumping to wild conclusions like you do is nowhere near the same as denying factual evidence. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Howl posted [p:904078650] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote> I'll keep my eyes open, all the same, thanks. </quote> I know that you are the kind of person who lacks logical reasoning skills and believes when he hears a bump in his room at night that that means there is literally a Boogeyman in his closet. You don't have to remind everyone else of that fact, I'm pretty sure they all know that as well.</quote> And I know that you're the kind that if a liberal told you you were on fire, you'd spend your last agonizing minutes in a CE topic denying it.</quote> Jumping to wild conclusions like you do is nowhere near the same as denying factual evidence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BWLurker2 06/27/18 5:29:17 PM #185:	DarkTransient posted... Okay, y'kno. I am 100% on board with banning abortion (very strictly with an exception if the mother's life is in danger otherwise - I would choose "fully legal" over "that exception doesn't exist", despite absolutely hating the idea of it being legal). The rest of this post is not addressing abortion specifically. Just the way they're going about trying to make that change. But in general, the fact that THAT is how the American system needs to work - pass illegal laws, to get them challenged up to Supreme Court level, and retroactively legalized - does that not indicate that the system is, y'kno, kinda really messed up in general? So being on board like this, once the child is born, are you supportive of the mother getting aid if she needs it? <cite>BWLurker2 posted [p:904078743] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote>Okay, y'kno. I am 100% on board with banning abortion (very strictly with an exception if the mother's life is in danger otherwise - I would choose "fully legal" over "that exception doesn't exist", despite absolutely hating the idea of it being legal). The rest of this post is not addressing abortion specifically. Just the way they're going about trying to make that change. But in general, the fact that THAT is how the American system needs to work - pass illegal laws, to get them challenged up to Supreme Court level, and retroactively legalized - does that not indicate that the system is, y'kno, kinda really messed up in general?</quote> So being on board like this, once the child is born, are you supportive of the mother getting aid if she needs it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KhanJohnny 06/27/18 5:29:29 PM #186:	CyricZ posted... KhanJohnny posted... I can't go into detail because GameFAQs might ban me. But you can search for yourself arguments against transgender identity quite easily using Google. "I don't want to argue!" argues gets responded to "I don't want to argue!" Please to piss or get off thine pot. shrugs Tell the mods that they are affecting your GameFAQs experience, because they clearly don't want debate on this topic. <cite>KhanJohnny posted [p:904078754] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote>I can't go into detail because GameFAQs might ban me. But you can search for yourself arguments against transgender identity quite easily using Google.</quote> "I don't want to argue!" argues gets responded to "I don't want to argue!" Please to piss or get off thine pot.</quote> shrugs Tell the mods that they are affecting your GameFAQs experience, because they clearly don't want debate on this topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkTransient 06/27/18 5:29:50 PM #187:	KhanJohnny posted... CyricZ posted... Hey everyone. Howl said it won't happen so feel better. I'll keep my eyes open, all the same, thanks. KhanJohnny posted... Sound reasoning isn't the same as relying on feelings. That I am a man, is based on more than my feelings about it. There is scientific evidence for how we should define men and women, but that only provides the material for us to form our conceptions about the two genders.The progressive understanding of gender, based on the available evidence, is self-contradictory and irrational. That is why it's a bad definition. Not because I feel differently about it. All you have is evidence to back up your feeling that you're a man. Not proof. Things you have been taught that have told you "you are a man because..." We keep learning. We evolve our understanding of science. Biological sex is not an immutable "one or the other" and we've known about that for quite some time. What is self-contradictory about "the progressive understanding of gender"? I can't go into detail because GameFAQs might ban me. But you can search for yourself arguments against transgender identity quite easily using Google. There's actually pretty good evidence to back up transgenderism in the case of male-to-female or female-to-male. On the other hand, stuff like "bi-gender" or "genderfluid" or <insert something completely unrelated to male vs female here> has literally zero scientific backing, unless you count sociological studies based on "this is how people told us they feel" or "this is what certain groups have accepted" (ie: nothing based in actual biology, or brain scans, etc). Though of course, the fact that science backs up that it exists also doesn't mean everyone who claims it applies to them, really is transgender. But you can usually tell those who are vs those who are just playing it for attention, by whether they actively draw attention to that they're trans or try to just blend in as a normal member of their (new) gender. --- http://www.facebook.com/loaocos/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAfJB3KYYDg <cite>DarkTransient posted [p:904078782] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>Hey everyone. Howl said it won't happen so feel better. I'll keep my eyes open, all the same, thanks. <cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote>Sound reasoning isn't the same as relying on feelings. That I am a man, is based on more than my feelings about it. There is scientific evidence for how we should define men and women, but that only provides the material for us to form our conceptions about the two genders.The progressive understanding of gender, based on the available evidence, is self-contradictory and irrational. That is why it's a bad definition. Not because I feel differently about it.</quote> All you have is evidence to back up your feeling that you're a man. Not proof. Things you have been taught that have told you "you are a man because..." We keep learning. We evolve our understanding of science. Biological sex is not an immutable "one or the other" and we've known about that for quite some time. What is self-contradictory about "the progressive understanding of gender"?</quote> I can't go into detail because GameFAQs might ban me. But you can search for yourself arguments against transgender identity quite easily using Google.</quote> There's actually pretty good evidence to back up transgenderism in the case of male-to-female or female-to-male. On the other hand, stuff like "bi-gender" or "genderfluid" or <insert something completely unrelated to male vs female here> has literally zero scientific backing, unless you count sociological studies based on "this is how people told us they feel" or "this is what certain groups have accepted" (ie: nothing based in actual biology, or brain scans, etc). Though of course, the fact that science backs up that it exists also doesn't mean everyone who claims it applies to them, really is transgender. But you can usually tell those who are vs those who are just playing it for attention, by whether they actively draw attention to that they're trans or try to just blend in as a normal member of their (new) gender.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KhanJohnny 06/27/18 5:30:51 PM #188:	DarkTransient posted... KhanJohnny posted... CyricZ posted... Hey everyone. Howl said it won't happen so feel better. I'll keep my eyes open, all the same, thanks. KhanJohnny posted... Sound reasoning isn't the same as relying on feelings. That I am a man, is based on more than my feelings about it. There is scientific evidence for how we should define men and women, but that only provides the material for us to form our conceptions about the two genders.The progressive understanding of gender, based on the available evidence, is self-contradictory and irrational. That is why it's a bad definition. Not because I feel differently about it. All you have is evidence to back up your feeling that you're a man. Not proof. Things you have been taught that have told you "you are a man because..." We keep learning. We evolve our understanding of science. Biological sex is not an immutable "one or the other" and we've known about that for quite some time. What is self-contradictory about "the progressive understanding of gender"? I can't go into detail because GameFAQs might ban me. But you can search for yourself arguments against transgender identity quite easily using Google. There's actually pretty good evidence to back up transgenderism in the case of male-to-female or female-to-male. On the other hand, stuff like "bi-gender" or "genderfluid" or <insert something completely unrelated to male vs female here> has literally zero scientific backing, unless you count sociological studies based on "this is how people told us they feel" or "this is what certain groups have accepted" (ie: nothing based in actual biology, or brain scans, etc). Though of course, the fact that science backs up that it exists also doesn't mean everyone who claims it applies to them, really is transgender. But you can usually tell those who are vs those who are just playing it for attention, by whether they actively draw attention to that they're trans or try to just blend in as a normal member of their (new) gender. There is evidence that a male can feel like a female subjectively. None that a male is a female on the basis of such feelings. <cite>KhanJohnny posted [p:904078836] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>Hey everyone. Howl said it won't happen so feel better. I'll keep my eyes open, all the same, thanks. <cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote>Sound reasoning isn't the same as relying on feelings. That I am a man, is based on more than my feelings about it. There is scientific evidence for how we should define men and women, but that only provides the material for us to form our conceptions about the two genders.The progressive understanding of gender, based on the available evidence, is self-contradictory and irrational. That is why it's a bad definition. Not because I feel differently about it.</quote> All you have is evidence to back up your feeling that you're a man. Not proof. Things you have been taught that have told you "you are a man because..." We keep learning. We evolve our understanding of science. Biological sex is not an immutable "one or the other" and we've known about that for quite some time. What is self-contradictory about "the progressive understanding of gender"?</quote> I can't go into detail because GameFAQs might ban me. But you can search for yourself arguments against transgender identity quite easily using Google.</quote> There's actually pretty good evidence to back up transgenderism in the case of male-to-female or female-to-male. On the other hand, stuff like "bi-gender" or "genderfluid" or <insert something completely unrelated to male vs female here> has literally zero scientific backing, unless you count sociological studies based on "this is how people told us they feel" or "this is what certain groups have accepted" (ie: nothing based in actual biology, or brain scans, etc). Though of course, the fact that science backs up that it exists also doesn't mean everyone who claims it applies to them, really is transgender. But you can usually tell those who are vs those who are just playing it for attention, by whether they actively draw attention to that they're trans or try to just blend in as a normal member of their (new) gender.</quote> There is evidence that a male can feel like a female subjectively. None that a male is a female on the basis of such feelings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
QueenCarly 06/27/18 5:36:36 PM #189:	lets grant that abortion is killing an unborn baby so what? is it better for that child to be born and raised by an unprepared family who won't be able to provide properly for them? is it better for that child to be placed into the foster care system and be subjected to the abuse that would mean? no. so sure, its "killing a baby," but that doesn't mean its still not the best outcome for some shitty situations --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26AHNHoZ6XnXX2fhC/giphy.gif <cite>QueenCarly posted [p:904079150] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote>lets grant that abortion is killing an unborn baby so what? is it better for that child to be born and raised by an unprepared family who won't be able to provide properly for them? is it better for that child to be placed into the foster care system and be subjected to the abuse that would mean? no. so sure, its "killing a baby," but that doesn't mean its still not the best outcome for some shitty situations</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkTransient 06/27/18 5:37:41 PM #190:	KhanJohnny posted... DarkTransient posted... KhanJohnny posted... CyricZ posted... Hey everyone. Howl said it won't happen so feel better. I'll keep my eyes open, all the same, thanks. KhanJohnny posted... Sound reasoning isn't the same as relying on feelings. That I am a man, is based on more than my feelings about it. There is scientific evidence for how we should define men and women, but that only provides the material for us to form our conceptions about the two genders.The progressive understanding of gender, based on the available evidence, is self-contradictory and irrational. That is why it's a bad definition. Not because I feel differently about it. All you have is evidence to back up your feeling that you're a man. Not proof. Things you have been taught that have told you "you are a man because..." We keep learning. We evolve our understanding of science. Biological sex is not an immutable "one or the other" and we've known about that for quite some time. What is self-contradictory about "the progressive understanding of gender"? I can't go into detail because GameFAQs might ban me. But you can search for yourself arguments against transgender identity quite easily using Google. There's actually pretty good evidence to back up transgenderism in the case of male-to-female or female-to-male. On the other hand, stuff like "bi-gender" or "genderfluid" or <insert something completely unrelated to male vs female here> has literally zero scientific backing, unless you count sociological studies based on "this is how people told us they feel" or "this is what certain groups have accepted" (ie: nothing based in actual biology, or brain scans, etc). Though of course, the fact that science backs up that it exists also doesn't mean everyone who claims it applies to them, really is transgender. But you can usually tell those who are vs those who are just playing it for attention, by whether they actively draw attention to that they're trans or try to just blend in as a normal member of their (new) gender. There is evidence that a male can feel like a female subjectively. None that a male is a female on the basis of such feelings. Look up studies on brain scans of transgender vs cisgender people, and in particular, whether transgender brain structure is closer to their biological sex or their desired sex. Though at the end of the day, whether you actually see them as their preferred gender doesn't matter that much, as long as you aren't an asshole to them about it. --- http://www.facebook.com/loaocos/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAfJB3KYYDg <cite>DarkTransient posted [p:904079220] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>Hey everyone. Howl said it won't happen so feel better. I'll keep my eyes open, all the same, thanks. <cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote>Sound reasoning isn't the same as relying on feelings. That I am a man, is based on more than my feelings about it. There is scientific evidence for how we should define men and women, but that only provides the material for us to form our conceptions about the two genders.The progressive understanding of gender, based on the available evidence, is self-contradictory and irrational. That is why it's a bad definition. Not because I feel differently about it.</quote> All you have is evidence to back up your feeling that you're a man. Not proof. Things you have been taught that have told you "you are a man because..." We keep learning. We evolve our understanding of science. Biological sex is not an immutable "one or the other" and we've known about that for quite some time. What is self-contradictory about "the progressive understanding of gender"?</quote> I can't go into detail because GameFAQs might ban me. But you can search for yourself arguments against transgender identity quite easily using Google.</quote> There's actually pretty good evidence to back up transgenderism in the case of male-to-female or female-to-male. On the other hand, stuff like "bi-gender" or "genderfluid" or <insert something completely unrelated to male vs female here> has literally zero scientific backing, unless you count sociological studies based on "this is how people told us they feel" or "this is what certain groups have accepted" (ie: nothing based in actual biology, or brain scans, etc). Though of course, the fact that science backs up that it exists also doesn't mean everyone who claims it applies to them, really is transgender. But you can usually tell those who are vs those who are just playing it for attention, by whether they actively draw attention to that they're trans or try to just blend in as a normal member of their (new) gender.</quote> There is evidence that a male can feel like a female subjectively. None that a male is a female on the basis of such feelings.</quote> Look up studies on brain scans of transgender vs cisgender people, and in particular, whether transgender brain structure is closer to their biological sex or their desired sex. Though at the end of the day, whether you actually see them as their preferred gender doesn't matter that much, as long as you aren't an asshole to them about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkTransient 06/27/18 5:38:53 PM #191:	BWLurker2 posted... DarkTransient posted... Okay, y'kno. I am 100% on board with banning abortion (very strictly with an exception if the mother's life is in danger otherwise - I would choose "fully legal" over "that exception doesn't exist", despite absolutely hating the idea of it being legal). The rest of this post is not addressing abortion specifically. Just the way they're going about trying to make that change. But in general, the fact that THAT is how the American system needs to work - pass illegal laws, to get them challenged up to Supreme Court level, and retroactively legalized - does that not indicate that the system is, y'kno, kinda really messed up in general? So being on board like this, once the child is born, are you supportive of the mother getting aid if she needs it? Absolutely, as long as it's a genuine need and not an abusing-the-welfare-system situation. And no, I don't think any use at all counts as "abuse" - and I would dare to say, chances are those who would have otherwise gotten an abortion, and those who abuse welfare intended for children, would be two groups with very little, if any, overlap. --- http://www.facebook.com/loaocos/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAfJB3KYYDg <cite>DarkTransient posted [p:904079280] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>BWLurker2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote>Okay, y'kno. I am 100% on board with banning abortion (very strictly with an exception if the mother's life is in danger otherwise - I would choose "fully legal" over "that exception doesn't exist", despite absolutely hating the idea of it being legal). The rest of this post is not addressing abortion specifically. Just the way they're going about trying to make that change. But in general, the fact that THAT is how the American system needs to work - pass illegal laws, to get them challenged up to Supreme Court level, and retroactively legalized - does that not indicate that the system is, y'kno, kinda really messed up in general?</quote> So being on board like this, once the child is born, are you supportive of the mother getting aid if she needs it?</quote> Absolutely, as long as it's a genuine need and not an abusing-the-welfare-system situation. And no, I don't think any use at all counts as "abuse" - and I would dare to say, chances are those who would have otherwise gotten an abortion, and those who abuse welfare intended for children, would be two groups with very little, if any, overlap.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KhanJohnny 06/27/18 5:40:24 PM #192:	DarkTransient posted... KhanJohnny posted... DarkTransient posted... KhanJohnny posted... CyricZ posted... Hey everyone. Howl said it won't happen so feel better. I'll keep my eyes open, all the same, thanks. KhanJohnny posted... Sound reasoning isn't the same as relying on feelings. That I am a man, is based on more than my feelings about it. There is scientific evidence for how we should define men and women, but that only provides the material for us to form our conceptions about the two genders.The progressive understanding of gender, based on the available evidence, is self-contradictory and irrational. That is why it's a bad definition. Not because I feel differently about it. All you have is evidence to back up your feeling that you're a man. Not proof. Things you have been taught that have told you "you are a man because..." We keep learning. We evolve our understanding of science. Biological sex is not an immutable "one or the other" and we've known about that for quite some time. What is self-contradictory about "the progressive understanding of gender"? I can't go into detail because GameFAQs might ban me. But you can search for yourself arguments against transgender identity quite easily using Google. There's actually pretty good evidence to back up transgenderism in the case of male-to-female or female-to-male. On the other hand, stuff like "bi-gender" or "genderfluid" or <insert something completely unrelated to male vs female here> has literally zero scientific backing, unless you count sociological studies based on "this is how people told us they feel" or "this is what certain groups have accepted" (ie: nothing based in actual biology, or brain scans, etc). Though of course, the fact that science backs up that it exists also doesn't mean everyone who claims it applies to them, really is transgender. But you can usually tell those who are vs those who are just playing it for attention, by whether they actively draw attention to that they're trans or try to just blend in as a normal member of their (new) gender. There is evidence that a male can feel like a female subjectively. None that a male is a female on the basis of such feelings. Look up studies on brain scans of transgender vs cisgender people, and in particular, whether transgender brain structure is closer to their biological sex or their desired sex. Though at the end of the day, whether you actually see them as their preferred gender doesn't matter that much, as long as you aren't an asshole to them about it. Yeah evidence that they might have similar brains in some way or another, is very strong evidence that they can feel like the other sex, but to say that it makes them the other sex, presumes that we base our definition of male and female on the basis of what your brain looks like. That has never been the case in Western history, nor do I think that it should logically be the case now. Again, science does not provide the answer for how we define man and woman. <cite>KhanJohnny posted [p:904079369] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>Hey everyone. Howl said it won't happen so feel better. I'll keep my eyes open, all the same, thanks. <cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote>Sound reasoning isn't the same as relying on feelings. That I am a man, is based on more than my feelings about it. There is scientific evidence for how we should define men and women, but that only provides the material for us to form our conceptions about the two genders.The progressive understanding of gender, based on the available evidence, is self-contradictory and irrational. That is why it's a bad definition. Not because I feel differently about it.</quote> All you have is evidence to back up your feeling that you're a man. Not proof. Things you have been taught that have told you "you are a man because..." We keep learning. We evolve our understanding of science. Biological sex is not an immutable "one or the other" and we've known about that for quite some time. What is self-contradictory about "the progressive understanding of gender"?</quote> I can't go into detail because GameFAQs might ban me. But you can search for yourself arguments against transgender identity quite easily using Google.</quote> There's actually pretty good evidence to back up transgenderism in the case of male-to-female or female-to-male. On the other hand, stuff like "bi-gender" or "genderfluid" or <insert something completely unrelated to male vs female here> has literally zero scientific backing, unless you count sociological studies based on "this is how people told us they feel" or "this is what certain groups have accepted" (ie: nothing based in actual biology, or brain scans, etc). Though of course, the fact that science backs up that it exists also doesn't mean everyone who claims it applies to them, really is transgender. But you can usually tell those who are vs those who are just playing it for attention, by whether they actively draw attention to that they're trans or try to just blend in as a normal member of their (new) gender.</quote> There is evidence that a male can feel like a female subjectively. None that a male is a female on the basis of such feelings.</quote> Look up studies on brain scans of transgender vs cisgender people, and in particular, whether transgender brain structure is closer to their biological sex or their desired sex. Though at the end of the day, whether you actually see them as their preferred gender doesn't matter that much, as long as you aren't an asshole to them about it.</quote> Yeah evidence that they might have similar brains in some way or another, is very strong evidence that they can feel like the other sex, but to say that it makes them the other sex, presumes that we base our definition of male and female on the basis of what your brain looks like. That has never been the case in Western history, nor do I think that it should logically be the case now. Again, science does not provide the answer for how we define man and woman.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/27/18 5:42:24 PM #193:	KhanJohnny posted... Again, science does not provide the answer for how we define man and woman. Then what does? --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:904079497] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote>Again, science does not provide the answer for how we define man and woman. </quote> Then what does?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 06/27/18 5:42:49 PM #194:	Khan over here bringing up that "feelings" point but it's not that trans people go "I feel like a woman so I am one" It's "I am a woman and feel I need to reflect that reality inside and out" --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:904079527] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote>Khan over here bringing up that "feelings" point but it's not that trans people go "I feel like a woman so I am one" It's "I am a woman and feel I need to reflect that reality inside and out"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 06/27/18 5:44:19 PM #195:	KhanJohnny posted... DarkTransient posted... KhanJohnny posted... DarkTransient posted... KhanJohnny posted... CyricZ posted... Hey everyone. Howl said it won't happen so feel better. I'll keep my eyes open, all the same, thanks. KhanJohnny posted... Sound reasoning isn't the same as relying on feelings. That I am a man, is based on more than my feelings about it. There is scientific evidence for how we should define men and women, but that only provides the material for us to form our conceptions about the two genders.The progressive understanding of gender, based on the available evidence, is self-contradictory and irrational. That is why it's a bad definition. Not because I feel differently about it. All you have is evidence to back up your feeling that you're a man. Not proof. Things you have been taught that have told you "you are a man because..." We keep learning. We evolve our understanding of science. Biological sex is not an immutable "one or the other" and we've known about that for quite some time. What is self-contradictory about "the progressive understanding of gender"? I can't go into detail because GameFAQs might ban me. But you can search for yourself arguments against transgender identity quite easily using Google. There's actually pretty good evidence to back up transgenderism in the case of male-to-female or female-to-male. On the other hand, stuff like "bi-gender" or "genderfluid" or <insert something completely unrelated to male vs female here> has literally zero scientific backing, unless you count sociological studies based on "this is how people told us they feel" or "this is what certain groups have accepted" (ie: nothing based in actual biology, or brain scans, etc). Though of course, the fact that science backs up that it exists also doesn't mean everyone who claims it applies to them, really is transgender. But you can usually tell those who are vs those who are just playing it for attention, by whether they actively draw attention to that they're trans or try to just blend in as a normal member of their (new) gender. There is evidence that a male can feel like a female subjectively. None that a male is a female on the basis of such feelings. Look up studies on brain scans of transgender vs cisgender people, and in particular, whether transgender brain structure is closer to their biological sex or their desired sex. Though at the end of the day, whether you actually see them as their preferred gender doesn't matter that much, as long as you aren't an asshole to them about it. Yeah evidence that they might have similar brains in some way or another, is very strong evidence that they can feel like the other sex, but to say that it makes them the other sex, presumes that we base our definition of male and female on the basis of what your brain looks like. That has never been the case in Western history, nor do I think that it should logically be the case now. Again, science does not provide the answer for how we define man and woman. At one point in history, the science that was used to determine if someone was a witch was such that if they were able to swim and not drown, they were a witch, but if they did drown, they were innocent... --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:904079633] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>Hey everyone. Howl said it won't happen so feel better. I'll keep my eyes open, all the same, thanks. <cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote>Sound reasoning isn't the same as relying on feelings. That I am a man, is based on more than my feelings about it. There is scientific evidence for how we should define men and women, but that only provides the material for us to form our conceptions about the two genders.The progressive understanding of gender, based on the available evidence, is self-contradictory and irrational. That is why it's a bad definition. Not because I feel differently about it.</quote> All you have is evidence to back up your feeling that you're a man. Not proof. Things you have been taught that have told you "you are a man because..." We keep learning. We evolve our understanding of science. Biological sex is not an immutable "one or the other" and we've known about that for quite some time. What is self-contradictory about "the progressive understanding of gender"?</quote> I can't go into detail because GameFAQs might ban me. But you can search for yourself arguments against transgender identity quite easily using Google.</quote> There's actually pretty good evidence to back up transgenderism in the case of male-to-female or female-to-male. On the other hand, stuff like "bi-gender" or "genderfluid" or <insert something completely unrelated to male vs female here> has literally zero scientific backing, unless you count sociological studies based on "this is how people told us they feel" or "this is what certain groups have accepted" (ie: nothing based in actual biology, or brain scans, etc). Though of course, the fact that science backs up that it exists also doesn't mean everyone who claims it applies to them, really is transgender. But you can usually tell those who are vs those who are just playing it for attention, by whether they actively draw attention to that they're trans or try to just blend in as a normal member of their (new) gender.</quote> There is evidence that a male can feel like a female subjectively. None that a male is a female on the basis of such feelings.</quote> Look up studies on brain scans of transgender vs cisgender people, and in particular, whether transgender brain structure is closer to their biological sex or their desired sex. Though at the end of the day, whether you actually see them as their preferred gender doesn't matter that much, as long as you aren't an asshole to them about it.</quote> Yeah evidence that they might have similar brains in some way or another, is very strong evidence that they can feel like the other sex, but to say that it makes them the other sex, presumes that we base our definition of male and female on the basis of what your brain looks like. That has never been the case in Western history, nor do I think that it should logically be the case now. Again, science does not provide the answer for how we define man and woman.</quote> At one point in history, the science that was used to determine if someone was a witch was such that if they were able to swim and not drown, they were a witch, but if they did drown, they were innocent...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkTransient 06/27/18 5:46:09 PM #196:	KhanJohnny posted... Yeah evidence that they might have similar brains in some way or another, is very strong evidence that they can feel like the other sex, but to say that it makes them the other sex, presumes that we base our definition of male and female on the basis of what your brain looks like. That has never been the case in Western history, nor do I think that it should logically be the case now. Again, science does not provide the answer for how we define man and woman. Basically, what's going on is that the body's sex, doesn't match the brain's sex. You're ultimately saying "the body is right". But arguably, wouldn't the brain be more critical to determining one's identity than the body? --- http://www.facebook.com/loaocos/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAfJB3KYYDg <cite>DarkTransient posted [p:904079748] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah evidence that they might have similar brains in some way or another, is very strong evidence that they can feel like the other sex, but to say that it makes them the other sex, presumes that we base our definition of male and female on the basis of what your brain looks like. That has never been the case in Western history, nor do I think that it should logically be the case now. Again, science does not provide the answer for how we define man and woman.</quote> Basically, what's going on is that the body's sex, doesn't match the brain's sex. You're ultimately saying "the body is right". But arguably, wouldn't the brain be more critical to determining one's identity than the body?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 06/27/18 5:47:12 PM #197:	Having a conservative in power stifles progress and they attempt to take away rights from women and minorities. We need someone who is centrist. --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:904079825] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote>Having a conservative in power stifles progress and they attempt to take away rights from women and minorities. We need someone who is centrist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/27/18 5:48:13 PM #198:	DarkTransient posted... Though at the end of the day, whether you actually see them as their preferred gender doesn't matter that much, as long as you aren't an asshole to them about it. His very first post said he wanted no progress for trans rights. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:904079895] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote>Though at the end of the day, whether you actually see them as their preferred gender doesn't matter that much, as long as you aren't an asshole to them about it.</quote> His very first post said he wanted no progress for trans rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 06/27/18 5:48:47 PM #200:	LightningAce11 posted... Having a conservative in power stifles progress and they attempt to take away rights from women and minorities. We need someone who is centrist. Centrists are still too far right. What we need is to make "radical" leftists the new left, and liberalism the new right. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:904079936] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>Having a conservative in power stifles progress and they attempt to take away rights from women and minorities. We need someone who is centrist.</quote> Centrists are still too far right. What we need is to make "radical" leftists the new left, and liberalism the new right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 06/27/18 5:57:13 PM #201:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXDpUa2hrhE" data-time=" --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:904080502] in With Supre... [t:76755858]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXDpUa2hrhE" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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