Board 8 > Phoenix Wright Mafia Topic 12: Post-Turnabout Beginnings

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Corrik posted...

VeryInsane posted...

Ending day early also didn't really help

FD, DYL, NewDonker all didn't really participate during those days. Town's good players (Like Scare and Leo) didn't really get to go get some insight knowing that the lynch was going to be scum. Usually when you have scum wrapped up, it's good to figure out with other players who are alive "ok, now who is next amongst the players?" because you can't communicate that when you're dead

Problem is. That is not how wrapped up days work. Look at the one we let linger on. No one was posting!

It ends up just being 48 hours with 12 posts total in it. If they are inactive normally, why would they be more active when nothing is going on in a day!

The issue here is the the "day that lingered" was end game with very few people left. And the days that were cut short had 18/17/15 (iirc) alive. Thats a lot of people who can be forced to participate or at least be much more obvious about the fact that they are just skirting by.

You can't use a lingering end game day to justify ending days 2/3/4 early. Im sorry that you personally were growing bored, but the game isnt all about you and what you want. Its about what course of action will be best for town.

It wad particularly shitty knowing you were as confirmed town as someone could be and you still had such anti town tendencies. Your ego was a pretty hard detriment to town.
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"Amazingly terrible"

lol

turbopuns2 posted...

You are scum.

Town cop scanned you guilty.

Have fun.

duh

It's still a suicide

Just like that bp miller princess claim from years ago that ended up still winning the game (after having mafia shoot themselves, which I just remembered)
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Days should only be ended early when everyone has checked in and said they are done saying what they have to say.

Also when lynch is set dont claim doctor as doctor.
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I like how Puns is the only one who feared me at all

and it was mostly after he died!

My role was kind of cool and I probably should have just brought back Red after Chris died for a day, but I also thought MI kill was imminent and bringing him back for scan info would be ideal

The thing is I would not have been able to post for a game day when Iused it and I felt I was a better voice most of the time, and couldnt guarentee someone who died was following the game still
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I was following but saving the power to bring back a dead power was probably the right play.
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It was you or MI only in my mind, unless Chris flipped town

which I actually basically hinted at my role telling Chris "if you are town I promise we will hear your voice"
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Dark Young Link posted...

I want every town to burn this shit into their memory. There was absolutely no damn reason for town players to be helping scum by ending day early, and you absolutely deserved to get reverse swept for getting cocky because "We're ahead guys!".

^This. 1000% this^

Yeah scum helped end the days early, but there are still significantly less scum than town in the game. Obviously scum would want to stifle discussion because that results in less opportunity for them to say something incriminating.

Thats 72 hours we tossed down the drain. Imagine how many times colzach could have referred to town as "them" during that time.

I honestly want to believe that it was only final day jitters that led to those typing mistakes. Maybe I wasnt getting as closely examined during final 4, but I dont remember making mistakes like that asides from today

Hey guys
I scanned Arti innocent
<.<

Kinda mad that modkills cost us the game (probably)

also
I knew MI was town the moment Crescent flipped
It was to painful to look at so I dont know if this point was raised but

did nobody think that a scum MI would want to scan Crescent innocent as soon as possible!!!!

argfgsahfsa
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also two godfathers is bloody stupid and I never want to see such nonsense again
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foolm0r0n posted...

and don't get me started on FD spending 75% of his posts crying about not being able to post.

I can see why ending days early normally is bad but here it would've just dragged things out for nothing. And there's no doubt the length of this game took a toll on the players. Especially after D5 which sent everyone's heads spinning. A longer game would not have helped.

I spent so much time complaining about it because you kept doing it. There was no point. It allowed the scum we weren't lynching to say as little as possible and it prevented me from getting to say as much as i wanted to. Most of which relied on being able to talk to other players and for them to reply to me. Because im working night shifts and because im west coast that means when im getting off work is 2 am on the east coast. The only way i can have a back and forth is if the day lasts long enough for me to post during my available times and for someone else to respond during their different available times, etc. But instead i spend time getting caught up and start to begin my inquiries and then the day is over before i can barely scratch the surface.

It would also result in a lot more posts in the logs. I felt like i read the entirety of day 1 at least four separate times and there was barely anything to delve into from the following days.
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ColZach posted...

I honestly want to believe that it was only final day jitters that led to those typing mistakes. Maybe I wasnt getting as closely examined during final 4, but I dont remember making mistakes like that asides from today

Right, but with days ending so early you (and sceptile before you) barely had any opportunity for such a gaffe. Im not trying to take anything away from your end game play or insinuate that you definitely would have made mistakes on earlier days. But maybe? Or some not quite as obvious inconsistency could have been discovered. Anything is more than the nothing we had during the 72 hours that weren't.
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htaeD posted...

did nobody think that a scum MI would want to scan Crescent innocent as soon as possible!!!!

The whole point of MI scum was that it would be a crazy gambit to confirm MI and possibly get a mislynch, not to scan other scum as inno.

And yeah the double godfather did not help
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ColZach posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Full disclosure I forgot some of my scum team day 1.

To be honest this seems like a good strategy. Dont check your scummates till after half of day 1. Makes your posts more genuine.

This is cheating and don't do that.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

It allowed the scum we weren't lynching to say as little as possible

Quiet town allowed this

Make no mistake, 10 more posts over 24 hours here and there would not have done shit to help town. You would have no back and forth. Check out thr scum board to see how they specifically took advantage of the inactivity.

The only valid argument here is that the last 30 minutes of each day produces the fast paced B8 special kind of activity. That is fair but I wish we could just skip to that.
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foolm0r0n posted...

htaeD posted...

did nobody think that a scum MI would want to scan Crescent innocent as soon as possible!!!!

The whole point of MI scum was that it would be a crazy gambit to confirm MI and possibly get a mislynch, not to scan other scum as inno.

And yeah the double godfather did not help

yes but even then scum MI would have no reason to leave Crescent inside the unscanned slots
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Meow1000 posted...

Doesn't sound like MI to have a total breakdown over just that, I'm betting there's an outside influence involved. A pretty big one, and something here is what triggered the self-destruct. Speaking of prophetic, I'm pretty sure Crescent warned the town a few times before she replaced out about towns getting complacent and eventually imploding.

"lol" you guys

I'm really sad to see him go as he was my mafia buddy, but he admitted that mafia wasn't good for his state of mind several times while I played with him. He takes it very seriously, and personally, and it can be compounded by IRL issues. Hopefully he's alright wherever he is.
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Here is a post from donk leading into my lynch btw:

NewDonker posted...

Fair point, it was only half serious lol. This day has stagnated. Now that Corrik has voted for FD, can one of my voters vote him just to end the day already? Thanks. If he flips town, you can go back to voting me tomorrow.

What a spectacularly anti town way to post. Not even scummy, just completely unconcerned about the fate of town.

He admits my points in defense of myself are fair ones, still wants me lynched and hinges his own life on someone who for all he knows is town and would effectively result in 1 myslynch becoming 2.

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Also for everyone who said it was hypocritical of me to support nl on one day and not the next. Or that it was hypocritical of me to want the early days to last longer but was willing to end day 7 sooner...

There was nothing wrong with my different stances there. They were two different stances for two very different scenarios.

When its raining outside i take my umbrella with me places.

When its sunny and clear i do not take my umbrella.

That is not hypocrisy, that is treating different scenarios in the way they are meant to be treated.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Make no mistake, 10 more posts over 24 hours here and there would not have done shit to help town.

Check the pace on day 2 and 3 before the day ended. It is incredibly disingenuous to suggest we were only missing 10 posts here and there.

And check this, no one is forcing you to play mafia to the exclusion of all other entertainment. So feel free to use the 25 hours to mostly do other shit.

Do you have so little going on in your life and so few demands on your time that the only thing keeping you going was knowing that the next day in mafia was coming soon? Please.

That stance was wrong during the game and its wrong now. You should at least be willing to believe the scum who benefited from it who are saying the same thing.
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red13n posted...

Also when lynch is set dont claim doctor as doctor.

I forgot about that :/

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Suprak the Stud posted...

ColZach posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Full disclosure I forgot some of my scum team day 1.

To be honest this seems like a good strategy. Dont check your scummates till after half of day 1. Makes your posts more genuine.

This is cheating and don't do that.

Is that cheating? Day 1 gets a lot of scrutiny. I see nothing wrong with scum ignoring the scum board until night 1 to give themselves genuine day 1 reactions. They can take scummates into consideration to model their opinions on later.
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its against the spirit of the game. Some do it but its frowned upon
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I don't see it as being very different than bussing. Heck even if i know all my scummates straight away if one of them says something indefensible ill let them know on the scum board that i can't just ignore their comment or it will reflect poorly on me going forward.
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Scum should have to check in a topic that says who their scummates are(Or have it stated in role PM).

The equivalent of AIMfia where scum confirms by taking the invite.
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You have to read your role and scum board. Its wrong to think/do otherwise.

Town had this but engaged in toxic behavior. This is just where you guys have gone. Its sad to watch.
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I still think double Godfather isnt too crazy, we get independent roles that scan innocent and I always see mafia as more of a game of wits that forces you to think instead of just lean on your power to do everything for you

That said, crescent/SE wasnt even scanned and scum still needed four mislynches even though there was technically three modkills. Scum didnt win this game because of The Godfathers alone, especially when Town willingly lynched a inno scanned vanilla right afterward
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Also kinda disappointed neither Arti nor Panthera looked at Zachs old posts, there was one IIRC that he called Crescent town and really struggled to explain why
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VeryInsane posted...

I still think double Godfather isnt too crazy, we get independent roles that scan innocent

Completely different beast. We could discern from the nightkills and roles we'd seem a good majority of what had happened. We knew with 99% certainty how many scum were left and we knew there wasn't a sk running around.

VeryInsane posted...

That said, crescent/SE wasnt even scanned

True which is why that was fairly blind luck that we didn't mislynch day6. But it didn't matter because BOTH of the final 2 scum scanned inno so whoever was scanned inno after the forst godfather flipped was going to be looking pretty good.

VeryInsane posted...

I always see mafia as more of a game of wits that forces you to think instead of just lean on your power to do everything for you

I don't feel like it was a problem of not thinking. We thought long and hard and came to the inexorable conclusion that dopple likely scanned as innocent and there was no sense to playing around a second such role. Obviously meta traps are within the realm of possibility, but you don't count on them. You shpuld be relying on your own reads but you also need to be realistic and realistically we didn't have a cause to expect it.

Of course i got lynched anyways because screw nana and arti and corrik for being unwilling to see the good sense in that.

Corrik was the worst among those. He saw and admitted to the good sense but was too impatient for days to end so he'd rather do the wrong thing. Seriously dude, don't play mafia if you are going to do shit like that

Or maybe nana was worse for opposing anything i said just because i was the one saying it. "I don't care if it makes sense i won't vote for anything fd says". Its petty AF and anti town.

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Ill be the first to admit that i didn't go around nailing scum to the wall this game. I didn't have any day 1 pro reads and didn't pursue much except a zam lynch. In the following days i didn't contribute much either and partially it was because tge days didn't last long enough, but even still i never had any impressive convictions about anyone except for the scum who had been sufficiently nailed by others. But what I did have was the good sense to support pro town behavior and oppose people for squandering the lead that town had built. You can say i did "nothing" but in addition to disagreeing i would ask what else i should have been doing in the sparse time i was given.

Anyways that'll be the end of my complaining. I'll simply say that I hope this isn't the kind of town play we can expect moving forward.
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Also I checked the scum board for the record.
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Also Chris, my "rawr fd won't take any bullshit arguments" on day 2 was inspired as sort of a What Would Town Chris Do. I assumed at that point you were dead town and thought we could use some of your righteous fury.
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The old doppelganger variants used to flip fake alignment too, I think there was a game SK won because scum doppelganger flipped town and they lynched the cop the next day. I thought it was less broken to bring in a completely new style, and I wanted to do some tinkering and experimenting instead of just using the same layout that I did in say, Hearthstone Mafia or Chrono Trigger mafia

I thought it made a lot of sense with Bobby to make him innocent but that probably was over the top. Oh well, whats done is done
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I am pleased, FD. You were so awesome.
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VeryInsane posted...

Also kinda disappointed neither Arti nor Panthera looked at Zachs old posts, there was one IIRC that he called Crescent town and really struggled to explain why

I looked at a few topics worth, I think I went back to the one before the one I replaced into. The problem was everything I found that made me question Zach was balanced out by something that made me feel better about him, or by something that seemed just as bad about Donker. idk I don't think it would have mattered how much shit I read, I was going to fuck it up regardless. I'm not good enough at figuring out mafia stuff not to have. Especially with Arti being pro-Zach, the fact that I couldn't think of any sort of decent argument to really make him doubt it helped convince me I must be wrong.
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VeryInsane posted...

Also kinda disappointed neither Arti nor Panthera looked at Zachs old posts, there was one IIRC that he called Crescent town and really struggled to explain why

Town seemed pretty hung up on only looking at Day 1 and Day 6 for some reason. Nobody actually looked into Colzach whatsoever since he was inactive Day 6. I'm also surprised nobody scrutinized his inactivity Day 6 given how much that lynch was looked at. Like if he had been around or he had thrown a vote down on Donk, maybe I don't get lynched as it requires a larger vote swing.

It was bizarre to watch and it wasn't just at endgame. People wanted to find scum entirely through what previous scum did or what a previous player did rather than actively looking at what the current players in game were doing. It wasn't just for Col either. I'm not saying you shouldn't look into those things, it just shouldn't be the only thing your basing your opinion on. Col made some pretty bad posts over the final few days that we thought for sure someone would notice and tear into him for.

Donk also went inactive for huge swathes of time whilst under suspicion and nobody even bothered to look at him or poke him. In a game going 5000+ posts you had Donk and Arti in the final four with like only 100-200 posts between them for the entire game. Like I get people are busy but for a game spanning a good chunk of the month, that's pretty low activity

ShatteredElysium posted...

Nobody actually looked into Colzach whatsoever since he was inactive Day 6. I'm also surprised nobody scrutinized his inactivity Day 6 given how much that lynch was looked at.

ShatteredElysium posted...

Donk also went inactive for huge swathes of time whilst under suspicion and nobody even bothered to look at him or poke him.

Yeah. Donk did. So how strange is it really, not realizing that Zach going inactive or not saying much of substance (which, incidentally, I repeatedly pointed out) was scummy but Donk going inactive or not saying much of substance (which, incidentally, I also repeatedly pointed out) wasn't? Of all the things about this game that make me regret playing, this is not one I'm going to give a shit about. I can't physically force people to post and if both viable lynch candidates go quiet for large stretches of time and don't offer much of substance when not directly prompted, I'm not going to feel too bad about not telling the difference between scummy silence and towny silence.
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ColZach posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Full disclosure I forgot some of my scum team day 1.

To be honest this seems like a good strategy. Dont check your scummates till after half of day 1. Makes your posts more genuine.

This is against the rules btw.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

VeryInsane posted...

Also kinda disappointed neither Arti nor Panthera looked at Zachs old posts, there was one IIRC that he called Crescent town and really struggled to explain why

Town seemed pretty hung up on only looking at Day 1 and Day 6 for some reason. Nobody actually looked into Colzach whatsoever since he was inactive Day 6. I'm also surprised nobody scrutinized his inactivity Day 6 given how much that lynch was looked at. Like if he had been around or he had thrown a vote down on Donk, maybe I don't get lynched as it requires a larger vote swing.

It was bizarre to watch and it wasn't just at endgame. People wanted to find scum entirely through what previous scum did or what a previous player did rather than actively looking at what the current players in game were doing. It wasn't just for Col either. I'm not saying you shouldn't look into those things, it just shouldn't be the only thing your basing your opinion on. Col made some pretty bad posts over the final few days that we thought for sure someone would notice and tear into him for.

Donk also went inactive for huge swathes of time whilst under suspicion and nobody even bothered to look at him or poke him. In a game going 5000+ posts you had Donk and Arti in the final four with like only 100-200 posts between them for the entire game. Like I get people are busy but for a game spanning a good chunk of the month, that's pretty low activity

Day 1 and 6 had the best information.

That said, it was wild that MI isoed day 6. Determined that yeah colzach likely had to be the last scum. Then his next post was back to Donker was scum and colzach was town.

Like ????? How wasn't MI so scummy argh!!!

FD I have played with these people a lot. I tried everything to swing that lynch off of you. They weren't going to budge.

Anyways, yes, the replaces did help freshness. Somewhere in the middle I got antsy/bored.
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Also I played predominantly from my phone so I never was able to use logs for looking back. Had to play by memory.
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Nanahara715 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

ColZach the GOAT!

Nana, you need to stop being so mad. You're a bad player so you don't have the right to yell at people.

And Corrik, playing with you can be unfun. You come across as a big jerk and that's why people say the things they do. I don't blame you, because I've done the same, but I tend to agree - that sort of attitude makes the game unfun.

Eaed and MI were steamrolling Scum. It's too bad Corrik got Eaed killed.

Fool was a blast to play against.

Shot .
Led a lynch on scum.
Moved a lynch off town in the last hour.
Played bad y'all shot me before the end Game.

Did you lead the lynch on SE? I'll admit I wasn't paying attention at that point.

You owe Alakazam an apology.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

ColZach the GOAT!

Nana, you need to stop being so mad. You're a bad player so you don't have the right to yell at people.

And Corrik, playing with you can be unfun. You come across as a big jerk and that's why people say the things they do. I don't blame you, because I've done the same, but I tend to agree - that sort of attitude makes the game unfun.

Eaed and MI were steamrolling Scum. It's too bad Corrik got Eaed killed.

Fool was a blast to play against.

Shot .
Led a lynch on scum.
Moved a lynch off town in the last hour.
Played bad y'all shot me before the end Game.

Did you lead the lynch on SE? I'll admit I wasn't paying attention at that point.

You owe Alakazam an apology.

Nani?
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Alakazamtrainer posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

ColZach the GOAT!

Nana, you need to stop being so mad. You're a bad player so you don't have the right to yell at people.

And Corrik, playing with you can be unfun. You come across as a big jerk and that's why people say the things they do. I don't blame you, because I've done the same, but I tend to agree - that sort of attitude makes the game unfun.

Eaed and MI were steamrolling Scum. It's too bad Corrik got Eaed killed.

Fool was a blast to play against.

Shot .
Led a lynch on scum.
Moved a lynch off town in the last hour.
Played bad y'all shot me before the end Game.

Did you lead the lynch on SE? I'll admit I wasn't paying attention at that point.

You owe Alakazam an apology.

Nani?

Glad we got through day 1 together, Alakazam!
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Hey guys I'd been at a party for a few hours when the game ended last night so I was drunk

I'm sorry for my tiltedness

I had fun playing with everyone this game

Corrik posted...

ColZach posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Full disclosure I forgot some of my scum team day 1.

To be honest this seems like a good strategy. Dont check your scummates till after half of day 1. Makes your posts more genuine.

This is against the rules btw.

Pls cite where in the rules this is banned
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

And check this, no one is forcing you to play mafia to the exclusion of all other entertainment. So feel free to use the 25 hours to mostly do other shit.

The majority of town did this throughout the game and it's why we lost.

Like I mentioned before, in forum mafia you can only play well by spending a lot of time reading and posting. Obviously I don't sit there for 25 hours, but every day that the game is up I spent 2-3 hours at least reading and posting. That's a lot. I would be anti town if i only spent like 30, or 0, mins.

My point is, raw day time is not magic. You need players to actually meaningfully post shit. One of D2/3 was probably ended too early, but the activity there was still just the same like 4 people, and it was not serious anymore. The day you were lynched was the absolute worst for sure, that should've gone longer.
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VeryInsane posted...

I always see mafia as more of a game of wits that forces you to think instead of just lean on your power to do everything for you

It is but you can't ignore that 2 godfathers turns Cop into a pro-scum role. Town power was woefully underpowered that game because of this alone. Remove GF and leave the Doppelganger and it would've been fine (if we had been explained what Doppelganger was).

Like wits are great yeah, but you're intentionally preventing us from using wits. It's not a meta trap, it's a meta fog where if you try to think too much, you lose.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

Town seemed pretty hung up on only looking at Day 1 and Day 6 for some reason

Yeah I wonder why in a game of 5000+ posts where you have to use a site that takes 15 seconds to load each page, people didn't feel like reading the entire game multiple times. That's 25 minutes of just staring at the screen waiting for pages to load btw. Forum mafia is dumb as hell.

Like FD made enormously valuable contributions by just... collecting info we all already knew into 1 place. I wouldn't have known many of the claims if not for that.

We need a logging site that is fast and allows advanced searching and indexing and note taking of the entire game to avoid this death-by-volume. Timeline analysis and shit. Entirely doable.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Flawless my ass, by not NLing we lynched scum.

Lynching scum > NL. Every. Fucking. Time.

That lynch also basically cleared Arti and Panthera and SHOULD have cleared Donk.

Lynching anyone was a risk that paid off. But it was a pointless risk that didn't need to be taken. And if not for the surprise SE lynch it WOULD have been a mislynch. You don't get to defend it wrong action just because it happened to have a good result this time.

I get to defend the action because we didn't get the wrong result and I was the one who started the movement off of the ML and onto scum.

Was NL better than "Lynch donker"? Yes. Did we execute plan "Lynch Donker"? No. I tried to execute plan "Lynch Colzach" and we settled on plan "Lynch SE", both of which were objectively superior. You say this like it was dumb luck, but it's not like we didn't make the decision to move based on a whim.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

ColZach the GOAT!

Nana, you need to stop being so mad. You're a bad player so you don't have the right to yell at people.

And Corrik, playing with you can be unfun. You come across as a big jerk and that's why people say the things they do. I don't blame you, because I've done the same, but I tend to agree - that sort of attitude makes the game unfun.

Eaed and MI were steamrolling Scum. It's too bad Corrik got Eaed killed.

Fool was a blast to play against.

Shot .
Led a lynch on scum.
Moved a lynch off town in the last hour.
Played bad y'all shot me before the end Game.

Did you lead the lynch on SE? I'll admit I wasn't paying attention at that point.

You owe Alakazam an apology.

Was referring to Day 4 where I started on you, but technically on Day 6 I tried to move the lynch onto ColZach and off of Donker, but Panthera settled on SE so *shrug*

Literally multiple posts above me talking about Day 6 information being good and key to the end Game and we get none of it if we had NLd.

I'm sorry I was abrasive to Zam.

I am not sorry that he claimed his role when he did. He's a strong independent man who don't need no Nana, so he is culpable to his decisions.

I'll emphasize that I seriously considered shooting him multiple times because his play was bad. I guess that's the risk when you play that way.
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foolm0r0n posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

Town seemed pretty hung up on only looking at Day 1 and Day 6 for some reason

Yeah I wonder why in a game of 5000+ posts where you have to use a site that takes 15 seconds to load each page, people didn't feel like reading the entire game multiple times. That's 25 minutes of just staring at the screen waiting for pages to load btw. Forum mafia is dumb as hell.

Like FD made enormously valuable contributions by just... collecting info we all already knew into 1 place. I wouldn't have known many of the claims if not for that.

We need a logging site that is fast and allows advanced searching and indexing and note taking of the entire game to avoid this death-by-volume. Timeline analysis and shit. Entirely doable.

One of the CE players was working on some code to do this, but sadly he quit playing mafia :(
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Suprak the Stud posted...

Meow1000 posted...

Doesn't sound like MI to have a total breakdown over just that, I'm betting there's an outside influence involved. A pretty big one, and something here is what triggered the self-destruct. Speaking of prophetic, I'm pretty sure Crescent warned the town a few times before she replaced out about towns getting complacent and eventually imploding.

"lol" you guys

I'm really sad to see him go as he was my mafia buddy, but he admitted that mafia wasn't good for his state of mind several times while I played with him. He takes it very seriously, and personally, and it can be compounded by IRL issues. Hopefully he's alright wherever he is.

Sounds similar to why I replaced out. I have a critical weakness when it comes to this game. It's why I was able to go 10 days in a game Zendikar, but collapsed early on here. I thought the issue having a "good" ending would lessen the effect it had.

When I have any major stress event occur in the proximity of a game (the lost cat I referenced in my first post.. Which I would've replaced out due to day 1 after a few more hours), the game prevents me from dealing with it. The game is frankly speaking terrible for me, too, but it's why my initial approach this game was going to be with a more natural "me" instead, to see what happened. It became impossible with how late to the game it made me.

I've seen enough evidence over the games I've played that I can last about two game days with an unresolved major stress event in my mind, and afterwards I gradually fall to pieces. It started taking me over an hour just to write single posts and I was being told to replace by several people, including my own team. I have a feeling MI had some major event as well, and has a similar trait of being unable to process such events while also dealing with the stress of the game. As we all know, I've had my own share of eruptions; it's just that nothing in this game triggered me into one. The previous game I was in... Was unpleasant. I cannot speak entirely for it, as I never even looked at the game post-night 4. I needed to detox immediately.

By the way if we speak technically do I still win the game? I see yet another town somehow found a way to lose. One of the things I've done since replacing out is playing the real Phoenix Wright. The identical name didn't seem to have any negative effect on me, though.

foolm0r0n posted...

Like FD made enormously valuable contributions by just... collecting info we all already knew into 1 place. I wouldn't have known many of the claims if not for that.

This is something scum could easily do to avoid giving actual contributions of their own.

Thank you Nana.
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