Current Events > Grinding in RPG's is kinda horrifying if you think about it.

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You carry your sword or whatever for defense on your long quest and get attacked by monsters and/or animals that take offense to your presence. Fine.

Enter the concept of grinding, where you actually hunt down said animals specifically to kill them. For money. For practice. Because there's a 1 in 30 chance that it has a shield for some reason.
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That's basically the concept behind Undertale
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DevsBro posted...

it has a shield for some reason.

Spoils of a previous meal.
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I've always loved getting treasure in towns

"Hello random stranger! Sure, just walk on into my house and loot my precious lifesaving Elixir and my stash of cash money. This isn't strange at all!"
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That's why Undertale exists.
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I never think of defeating random enemies as killing them as unless outright stated. Mainly because you often do like ten times the damage to plot important bosses and they're often only slightly injured after.
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I'm ridding the locals of a dangerous plague of monsters while honing my skills.
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VectorChaos posted...

I've always loved getting treasure in towns

"Hello random stranger! Sure, just walk on into my house and loot my precious lifesaving Elixir and my stash of cash money. This isn't strange at all!"

More like

*steals Elixir*
*steals life savings*
*talks to victim*
"Sometimes I can feel a draft by the city wall, near the item shop."
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I liked how in FF13-3 the enemies would actually go extinct if you killed them enough.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

That's basically the concept behind Undertale

Came in to say this
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undertale is definitely the first game to ever comment on the ethics of grinding
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Garioshi posted...

undertale is definitely the first game to ever comment on the ethics of grinding

That's not really true but it's the first game to have it as a core story focus.

Tonberries in Final Fantasy do a thing where they deal an amount of damage to you equal to the amount of damage you've done to every enemy the entire game. It just quickly caps to 9999 damage.
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world of warcraft has a mechanic where you can't steal other players' loot from dead bodies. your character will just kneel and get up and say "that would be stealing."
thank u WoW for teaching me ethics while i game
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bob742omb posted...

world of warcraft has a mechanic where you can't steal other players' loot from dead bodies. your character will just kneel and get up and say "that would be stealing."
thank u WoW for teaching me ethics while i game

They patched that out. Now multiple players can all loot the same corpse as long as they all contribute damage.
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I like to think of it as killing an invasive species. Is anyone really going to miss the undead zombies or bandits that attack people unprovoked?
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sobergermanguy posted...

I like to think of it as killing an invasive species. Is anyone really going to miss the undead zombies or bandits that attack people unprovoked?

What if the zombies can be cured?
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Tyranthraxus posted...

sobergermanguy posted...

I like to think of it as killing an invasive species. Is anyone really going to miss the undead zombies or bandits that attack people unprovoked?

What if the zombies can be cured?

Then none of the conflict in the story matters. If you can literally raise the dead, what difference does it make who you kill or who kills you?
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DevsBro posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

sobergermanguy posted...

I like to think of it as killing an invasive species. Is anyone really going to miss the undead zombies or bandits that attack people unprovoked?

What if the zombies can be cured?

Then none of the conflict in the story matters. If you can literally raise the dead, what difference does it make who you kill or who kills you?

That's a fairly narrow way of looking at things. In Breath of Fire 1, one of the first places you visit is the eponymous town of Romero and you cure the whole place.
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yeah but there's an infinite supply of monsters so its not like they'll go extinct or anything.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

yeah but there's an infinite supply of monsters so its not like they'll go extinct or anything.

That's not true in some games.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

yeah but there's an infinite supply of monsters so its not like they'll go extinct or anything.

That's not true in some games.

how is it possible to 'grind' with a finite set of enemies? o_o
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Tyranthraxus posted...

DevsBro posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

sobergermanguy posted...

I like to think of it as killing an invasive species. Is anyone really going to miss the undead zombies or bandits that attack people unprovoked?

What if the zombies can be cured?

Then none of the conflict in the story matters. If you can literally raise the dead, what difference does it make who you kill or who kills you?

That's a fairly narrow way of looking at things. In Breath of Fire 1, one of the first places you visit is the eponymous town of Romero and you cure the whole place.

It was a joke.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

yeah but there's an infinite supply of monsters so its not like they'll go extinct or anything.

That's not true in some games.

how is it possible to 'grind' with a finite set of enemies? o_o

You can still kill all the enemies available to you.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

yeah but there's an infinite supply of monsters so its not like they'll go extinct or anything.

That's not true in some games.

how is it possible to 'grind' with a finite set of enemies? o_o

You can still kill all the enemies available to you.

well, yeah, but i consider "grinding" to be killing the same mobs over and over and over and over and over in an effort to gain resources. the "over and over" part being important. killing an enemy one time in order to progress doesn't count as "grinding" imo.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

yeah but there's an infinite supply of monsters so its not like they'll go extinct or anything.

That's not true in some games.

how is it possible to 'grind' with a finite set of enemies? o_o

You can still kill all the enemies available to you.

well, yeah, but i consider "grinding" to be killing the same mobs over and over and over and over and over in an effort to gain resources. the "over and over" part being important. killing an enemy one time in order to progress doesn't count as "grinding" imo.

Sure but in games like Divinity 2 when you kill enemies they're just gone forever. You can hunt goblins for hours but eventually they're dead. And you become overleveled all the same.
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Sputnik1337 posted...

I liked how in FF13-3 the enemies would actually go extinct if you killed them enough.

Easily one of the most unique things that game did.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Garioshi posted...

undertale is definitely the first game to ever comment on the ethics of grinding

That's not really true but it's the first game to have it as a core story focus.

Tonberries in Final Fantasy do a thing where they deal an amount of damage to you equal to the amount of damage you've done to every enemy the entire game. It just quickly caps to 9999 damage.

whoosh
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Most times they are not animals, they are monsters. So you are helping to save the world. Take FFVII for example . If I don't kill those living motorcycles some someone walking to Kalm would get killed .
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I wonder how many monsters I've killed in Diablo II over the years. Cow Runs and Uber Levelling alone must make up a large chunk. Uber Levelling was insane in terms of the number of monsters killed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UKDGpPxVig#t=0m16s). It was patched out due to the lag caused on the servers. Then you have Mephi, Baal, CS, etc.

There's also grinding in the game aside from killing monsters (although that certainly is the main method). There are Lower Kurast runs that involve clicking a bunch of Chests, dead bodies / skeletons and other shit on the ground for drops (mainly Runes and Charms). Then you also have shopping at vendors. If you leave the area (usually via a portal next to the vendor), their inventories get reset. You can do this for hours to get the desired item.

I've been doing a shit ton of the last two recently.

good thing it's not real
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Goddamn, the Undertale dick-sucking is annoying. It wasn't making any statement about grinding in RPGs. It was just a bad ending, "villain" route, that's all.
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Sounds like if I wasn't out hunting dangerous monsters for their loot, they would be assaulting travelers who may not be as well equipped to handle them as I am.

Grinding is heroic.
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Emerald_Wyvern posted...

Sputnik1337 posted...

I liked how in FF13-3 the enemies would actually go extinct if you killed them enough.

Easily one of the most unique things that game did.

As a completionist who loves grinding to be stronger than necessary, that sounds fucking infuriating.

But it's part of the travesty that is FFXIII so I guess I'm not surprised.
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In the Dragon Quest games it's pretty obvious the defeated monsters don't actually die.
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Imagine if MMA fighters prepared for fights (and maybe some other skills) by walking around in a forest killing bush pigs.
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Darmik posted...

Imagine if MMA fighters prepared for fights (and maybe some other skills) by walking around in a forest killing bush pigs.

They probably end up so strong that you could train for a huge Multiversal tournament by going around beating up the guys that are running around the forest killing bush pigs.
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VectorChaos posted...

Emerald_Wyvern posted...

Sputnik1337 posted...

I liked how in FF13-3 the enemies would actually go extinct if you killed them enough.

Easily one of the most unique things that game did.

As a completionist who loves grinding to be stronger than necessary, that sounds fucking infuriating.

But it's part of the travesty that is FFXIII so I guess I'm not surprised.

It worked out there because you didn't level up from random battles. You only gained stats and whatnot from completing quests.
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Emerald_Wyvern posted...

VectorChaos posted...

Emerald_Wyvern posted...

Sputnik1337 posted...

I liked how in FF13-3 the enemies would actually go extinct if you killed them enough.

Easily one of the most unique things that game did.

As a completionist who loves grinding to be stronger than necessary, that sounds fucking infuriating.

But it's part of the travesty that is FFXIII so I guess I'm not surprised.

It worked out there because you didn't level up from random battles. You only gained stats and whatnot from completing quests.

That... actually sounds interesting.

I might try it for that. I never played XIII-2 or XIII-3 after XIII left such a bad taste in my mouth overall.

I know I'm in the minority but FFXII was the last one I really fucking liked.
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