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Dash_Harber
03/27/18 3:04:51 AM
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Dyinglegacy posted...
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No. All evidence shows it's normal. Every observation of nature says it's normal. I'm not sure why anyone would think that other than homophobia or some ridiculous backward philosophy.


Are there any diviations, or chemical differences in the brain?


What do you mean by 'diviations'? Also, I don't know if there are chemical differences, but even if there was, how does that make it something wrong?
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Dyinglegacy
03/27/18 3:10:57 AM
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Dash_Harber posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
No. All evidence shows it's normal. Every observation of nature says it's normal. I'm not sure why anyone would think that other than homophobia or some ridiculous backward philosophy.


Are there any diviations, or chemical differences in the brain?


What do you mean by 'diviations'? Also, I don't know if there are chemical differences, but even if there was, how does that make it something wrong?


Wrong? I didn't use that term. That term confuses me in this context.

Diviations. Differences. Anomalies. Specifically in the area of the brain, and chemical makeup.

Anything that appears different between a straight person and a gay person. Something that is evident. I would assume that nothing has been found yet, but I haven't researched it.
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Dash_Harber
03/27/18 3:14:33 AM
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Dyinglegacy posted...
Wrong? I didn't use that term. That term confuses me in this context.


Do you think there is something wrong with gay people?


I was responding to topic title when you questioned me.

Dyinglegacy posted...
Diviations. Differences. Anomalies. Specifically in the area of the brain, and chemical makeup.

Anything that appears different between a straight person and a gay person. Something that is evident. I would assume that nothing has been found yet, but I haven't researched it.


Deviations? Yeah, we all have differences. For example, some people have a gene that allows them to process opioids incredibly efficiently (such as Ozzy Osbourne). Due to how genes work, physical differences (even in the brain) are different in every single person.
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lesidesi
03/27/18 3:17:08 AM
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why invite the chance for people to be awful about your sexuality? i've dealt with more than my fair share of shit in my life just because i'm gay
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Ving_Rhames
03/27/18 3:20:02 AM
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No, wtf? Why would I?
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Dyinglegacy
03/27/18 3:22:49 AM
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I was more speaking on a broad spectrum level. Like a finding that shows gay people have an extra amount of (insert chemical).

I can understand that if something like that WAS found, it would come with controversy, because people would want to exploit that, and "cure" it.

Let's nip this in the bud, and clear the air... It doesn't need to be cured.

For the record, however, I don't actually think that sexuality is as simple as brain chemistry, but it is likely to play a part.
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CiIantro
03/27/18 3:23:03 AM
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@TheCyborgNinja posted...
Biologically speaking though, it is disadvantageous to the species "in the wild,"

Actually, most evolutionary biologists think it is a bonus to the species as a whole. Studies have shown that the more children a woman has, the greater the odds of each consecutive one being gay are. The theory is that it is a sort of built-in population control mechanism that also frees up the number of adults in the tribe to help raise kids ("Kin Selection", see below).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_selection
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HotMaladorianAI
03/27/18 3:27:13 AM
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Yeah, pretty much what I expected from this topic on CE.
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Dash_Harber
03/27/18 3:32:15 AM
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Dyinglegacy posted...
I was more speaking on a broad spectrum level. Like a finding that shows gay people have an extra amount of (insert chemical).

I can understand that if something like that WAS found, it would come with controversy, because people would want to exploit that, and "cure" it.

Let's nip this in the bud, and clear the air... It doesn't need to be cured.

For the record, however, I don't actually think that sexuality is as simple as brain chemistry, but it is likely to play a part.


I'm not really sure what you are getting at. Could it be genes that cause homosexuality? Sure, it's probable and most research I've seen seems to indicate some sort of link. However, the exact same could be said about your food preferences or what sort of hobbies you have. So you have two guys, one that loves spicy food and one that doesn't. They may have different genes or traits that influence that preference. No one would say, "I can cure my spicy food preference!", so I'm not sure why you even bring it up.

As for chemicals? No. Pretty sure they can measure those, at least enough to recognize a clear difference between homosexual and heterosexual people.

CiIantro posted...
@TheCyborgNinja posted...
Biologically speaking though, it is disadvantageous to the species "in the wild,"

Actually, most evolutionary biologists think it is a bonus to the species as a whole. Studies have shown that the more children a woman has, the greater the odds of each consecutive one being gay are. The theory is that it is a sort of built-in population control mechanism that also frees up the number of adults in the tribe to help raise kids ("Kin Selection", see below).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_selection


That's actually really interesting. I remember a friend saying that some researchers noticed that homosexuality in animals often occured in cramped conditions when populations were too large, so a natural population control is actually an interesting theory.

Also, 'in the wild' is a hilariously stupid argument. You know what else happens in the wild? People die of preventable diseases and infections that we have developed drugs to prevent. Natural is literally whatever situation we are in.
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Giblet_Enjoyer
03/27/18 3:33:13 AM
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Well yeah, it kind of hampers your chances of spreading your genes.

There's nothing morally wrong with it though, so both A and B I guess
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Dash_Harber
03/27/18 3:34:10 AM
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
Well yeah, it kind of hampers your chances of spreading your genes.


Except that can be better for the community in many situations. So I mean ...
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TheCyborgNinja
03/27/18 3:36:27 AM
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CiIantro posted...
@TheCyborgNinja posted...
Biologically speaking though, it is disadvantageous to the species "in the wild,"

Actually, most evolutionary biologists think it is a bonus to the species as a whole. Studies have shown that the more children a woman has, the greater the odds of each consecutive one being gay are. The theory is that it is a sort of built-in population control mechanism that also frees up the number of adults in the tribe to help raise kids ("Kin Selection", see below).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_selection

Cool, thanks for editing my post to remove the part where I already made the "overpopulation" point so you could tell it to me yourself
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Giblet_Enjoyer
03/27/18 3:38:02 AM
#63:


Dash_Harber posted...
Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
Well yeah, it kind of hampers your chances of spreading your genes.


Except that can be better for the community in many situations. So I mean ...

Well like I said, there's nothing morally wrong with it

Hell, anything that makes someone less likely to reproduce is fantastic as far as I'm concerned
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Dash_Harber
03/27/18 3:45:11 AM
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
Well yeah, it kind of hampers your chances of spreading your genes.


Except that can be better for the community in many situations. So I mean ...

Well like I said, there's nothing morally wrong with it

Hell, anything that makes someone less likely to reproduce is fantastic as far as I'm concerned


Yeah, I guess it just sort of sounded like that whole ridiculous good genes/bad genes narrative.
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Dyinglegacy
03/27/18 3:45:32 AM
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Dash_Harber posted...
I'm not really sure what you are getting at. Could it be genes that cause homosexuality? Sure, it's probable and most research I've seen seems to indicate some sort of link. However, the exact same could be said about your food preferences or what sort of hobbies you have. So you have two guys, one that loves spicy food and one that doesn't. They may have different genes or traits that influence that preference. No one would say, "I can cure my spicy food preference!", so I'm not sure why you even bring it up.

As for chemicals? No. Pretty sure they can measure those, at least enough to recognize a clear difference between homosexual and heterosexual people.


I'm not getting at anything. Your first post that I responded to seemed like you were knowledgable, so I asked questions lol.

As for the cure segment. That wasnt meant to be the focus of my post. It was more just a harsh realization.
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Dash_Harber
03/27/18 3:56:52 AM
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Dyinglegacy posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
I'm not really sure what you are getting at. Could it be genes that cause homosexuality? Sure, it's probable and most research I've seen seems to indicate some sort of link. However, the exact same could be said about your food preferences or what sort of hobbies you have. So you have two guys, one that loves spicy food and one that doesn't. They may have different genes or traits that influence that preference. No one would say, "I can cure my spicy food preference!", so I'm not sure why you even bring it up.

As for chemicals? No. Pretty sure they can measure those, at least enough to recognize a clear difference between homosexual and heterosexual people.


I'm not getting at anything. Your first post that I responded to seemed like you were knowledgable, so I asked questions lol.

As for the cure segment. That wasnt meant to be the focus of my post. It was more just a harsh realization.


Ah, my mistake.
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Esrac
03/27/18 4:12:26 AM
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Maybe in the sense that there may be some biological defect causing the aberrant behavior. I don't know if that's the kind of "wrong" you mean though.

Not in the sense that homosexuality is unforgivably immoral or that they should be denied the same rights as normal people.

Personally, the sight of men engaging in homosexual acts is repellent to me, but I still think they should be able to get married, adopt children, and generally not be abused, punished, or harassed over it.
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Tadamoto38
03/27/18 4:13:39 AM
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Havik
03/27/18 4:17:04 AM
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As an Asexual man. I find all of you non-asexuals to be quite inferior.
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No. Nothing is "wrong" with homosexual people.
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Crepes
03/27/18 4:19:04 AM
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Only in the way there's something wrong with people who prefer red as opposed to blue or are right handed vs left handed. Just deviation from statistical norm.

If you take what the majority of any particular trait is to be normal then everyone has something "wrong" in some regard. It's stupid to think it's a bad thing. People are different. Whether that difference is "bad" or "wrong" is down to societal norms and peer pressure.
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Dash_Harber
03/27/18 4:30:25 AM
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Esrac posted...
Maybe in the sense that there may be some biological defect causing the aberrant behavior.


See, no one would call preferring a particular type of woman over another 'aberrant behavior'.

Esrac posted...

Personally, the sight of men engaging in homosexual acts is repellent to me, but I still think they should be able to get married, adopt children, and generally not be abused, punished, or harassed over it.


This is always a weird comment to hear. Like, would you be into watching two fat, incredibly ugly people having sex? No? So do you feel the need to comment about it when you see two said fat, incredibly ugly people.

Otherwise I guess the rest is nice.

Crepes posted...
Only in the way there's something wrong with people who prefer red as opposed to blue or are right handed vs left handed. Just deviation from statistical norm.

If you take what the majority of any particular trait is to be normal then everyone has something "wrong" in some regard. It's stupid to think it's a bad thing. People are different. Whether that difference is "bad" or "wrong" is down to societal norms and peer pressure.


Yeah, that sort of nailed what I'm trying to say.
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Kineth
03/27/18 4:44:14 AM
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Sure, but only in that there's something wrong with people regardless of their sexuality.
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Esrac
03/27/18 4:56:01 AM
#73:


Dash_Harber posted...
Esrac posted...
Maybe in the sense that there may be some biological defect causing the aberrant behavior.


See, no one would call preferring a particular type of woman over another 'aberrant behavior'.

Esrac posted...

Personally, the sight of men engaging in homosexual acts is repellent to me, but I still think they should be able to get married, adopt children, and generally not be abused, punished, or harassed over it.


This is always a weird comment to hear. Like, would you be into watching two fat, incredibly ugly people having sex? No? So do you feel the need to comment about it when you see two said fat, incredibly ugly people.

Otherwise I guess the rest is nice.



Men preferring women, even having a particular type, isn't especially aberrant behavior. It'd have to be a pretty radical and specific preference. Men preferring other men is aberrant behaviour, by definition, when only ~4% or less of the population (in the US in this case) is homosexual.

I don't think many men have only one specific type of woman they're willing to sleep with.

When answering the question "Do you think there is something wrong with gay people?", I think voicing my personal feelings about gay people is appropriate in that context. It might be a weird comment if the topic were about something unrelated.
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Dash_Harber
03/27/18 5:16:58 AM
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Esrac posted...
Men preferring women, even having a particular type, isn't especially aberrant behavior. It'd have to be a pretty radical and specific preference. Men preferring other men is aberrant behaviour, by definition, when only ~4% or less of the population (in the US in this case) is homosexual.

I don't think many men have only one specific type of woman they're willing to sleep with.


It just seems weird when that definition would put a metric fuckton of common activities under the term aberrant, not to mention that it is sort of an inherently negatively loaded term.

Esrac posted...

When answering the question "Do you think there is something wrong with gay people?", I think voicing my personal feelings about gay people is appropriate in that context. It might be a weird comment if the topic were about something unrelated.


The point is not that you are voicing your opinion, the point is that you first thought is, "I'd find them having sex disgusting". Like, I don't ascribe to Christianity, but when someone asks for my opinion I don't go, "Well, the idea of two married Christians having monogamous sex really grosses me out! But they can do what they want".

It's sort of the whole weird, "Not that there is anything wrong with it" awkward response ala Seinfeld.
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the_cajun88
03/27/18 5:29:26 AM
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No. Theres nothing wrong with being gay.

The one thing that I dont really get about gay men in particular is the fake lisp some of them use. No one naturally talks like that.
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Esrac
03/27/18 5:36:42 AM
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Dash_Harber posted...
Esrac posted...
Men preferring women, even having a particular type, isn't especially aberrant behavior. It'd have to be a pretty radical and specific preference. Men preferring other men is aberrant behaviour, by definition, when only ~4% or less of the population (in the US in this case) is homosexual.

I don't think many men have only one specific type of woman they're willing to sleep with.


It just seems weird when that definition would put a metric fuckton of common activities under the term aberrant, not to mention that it is sort of an inherently negatively loaded term.

Esrac posted...

When answering the question "Do you think there is something wrong with gay people?", I think voicing my personal feelings about gay people is appropriate in that context. It might be a weird comment if the topic were about something unrelated.


The point is not that you are voicing your opinion, the point is that you first thought is, "I'd find them having sex disgusting". Like, I don't ascribe to Christianity, but when someone asks for my opinion I don't go, "Well, the idea of two married Christians having monogamous sex really grosses me out! But they can do what they want".

It's sort of the whole weird, "Not that there is anything wrong with it" awkward response ala Seinfeld.


Homosexual behavior is aberrant. By definition. If using words that correctly describe something is weird to you, I don't know what to tell you.

Yes, the word can also be applied to other activities. Though probably not "common activities", because common suggests the activities are prevalent and typical in the given population. That would mean they probably aren't aberrant, since that world specifically refers to things that are atypical/abnormal.

Ok. You observe that my immediate response to the sight of two men engaging in homosexual activities is reflexive disgust. What's your point? That isn't, by any means, an unusual reaction and is extremely common, regardless of levels of prejudice. The same response isn't typical of seeing hetersexual displays of affection. Your comparison isn't really valid.
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Akagami_Shanks
03/27/18 5:43:05 AM
#77:


everyone likes lesbian porn

personally I don't have a problem with gay people. Less competition for me.
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Dash_Harber
03/27/18 5:46:07 AM
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Esrac posted...
Homosexual behavior is aberrant. By definition. If using words that correctly describe something is weird to you, I don't know what to tell you.


There is no need to be condescending. You and I both understand how language works and that using that term combined with, "I find gay people disgusting" might send a specific kind of message. There are other words you can use and if you use loaded terminology it's going to raise some eyebrows.

Like, let's say your boss' parents weren't married. He may be, by definition, a bastard, but try calling him that and see how it goes. Context and tact are super important, even if the words themselves are correct.

Esrac posted...
Ok. You observe that my immediate response to the sight of two men engaging in homosexual activities is reflexive disgust. What's your point? That isn't, by any means, an unusual reaction and is extremely common, regardless of levels of prejudice. The same response isn't typical of seeing hetersexual displays of affection. Your comparison isn't really valid.


Again, the point is not that you have those feelings or not. The point is that you felt the need to comment when the topic wasn't asking you whether you were disgusted by watching homosexual activity or not.
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Cal12
03/27/18 5:54:09 AM
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Id say I was shocked by the poll results but considering some of the dialogue in the topic Im not. Being gay isnt something you get a choice in. Shame that in 2018 people still dont get it and/or allow religion to color that for them instead of thinking for themselves.
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GunmaN1905
03/27/18 6:00:00 AM
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From a biological point, sure, there's something wrong.
Every living thing has the primary task of reproduction and they're not doing it.

Is it wrong being gay?
No, I don't give a damn, anyone can do whatever they want with their lives.
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im not 13
03/27/18 6:01:14 AM
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No there's nothing wrong with them and I respect them as much as any other person I just don't get it is all.
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KillCommunism
03/27/18 6:02:10 AM
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There can be something wrong, while also being fine.
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CiIantro
03/27/18 6:02:16 AM
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the_cajun88 posted...
The one thing that I dont really get about gay men in particular is the fake lisp some of them use. No one naturally talks like that.

To be fair, most gay guys don't actually talk like that. It is a stereotype, but you notice it more because it stands out. For the vast majority of gay people you meet IRL, you wouldn't even know they were gay unless they told you.
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CiIantro
03/27/18 6:04:37 AM
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@GunmaN1905 posted...
From a biological point, sure, there's something wrong.
Every living thing has the primary task of reproduction and they're not doing it.

Not necessarily true. Kin Selection is the evolutionary phenomenon where certain members of a species do not reproduce in order to give the species as a whole a better chance at doing so. Gay people free up more adults to help raise kids in the tribe.
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03/27/18 6:08:18 AM
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ALIEN_WORK2HOP
03/27/18 6:10:05 AM
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I would say different, not wrong.
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the_cajun88
03/27/18 6:10:49 AM
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CiIantro posted...
the_cajun88 posted...
The one thing that I dont really get about gay men in particular is the fake lisp some of them use. No one naturally talks like that.

To be fair, most gay guys don't actually talk like that. It is a stereotype, but you notice it more because it stands out. For the vast majority of gay people you meet IRL, you wouldn't even know they were gay unless they told you.


I'm aware of that, that's why I said 'some' instead of 'most' or 'all.'
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do_ob_tpkillr
03/27/18 6:12:51 AM
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I voted yes. I find LGBT physically repulsive and morally abhorrent.
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KillCommunism
03/27/18 6:17:00 AM
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03/27/18 6:23:57 AM
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EffectAndCause
03/27/18 6:24:29 AM
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It is an abnormality biologically speaking, but other than that theyre very normal.
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BadJamNToast
03/27/18 6:32:48 AM
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Yeah uh, gay people are pretty...gay.

I got nothing.
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Dash_Harber
03/27/18 6:33:40 AM
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KillCommunism posted...
@do_ob_tpkillr

Lmao


Yeah, I'm going to assume that is a troll/alt, because otherwise I'd just feel sad.
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0TiamaT0
03/27/18 6:53:45 AM
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I dont have a problem with normal people who happen to be gay.

Its the people who make their entire lives revolve around who they want to fuck that I cant stand.
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RoboLaserGandhi
03/27/18 6:58:21 AM
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From a biological standpoint yeah, any time you have an individual who innately has desires that run directly against procreation, that would be considered abnormal.

From any other standpoint, no.
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V-E-G-Y-
03/27/18 7:14:15 AM
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LeadPipeCinche
03/27/18 7:52:13 AM
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Nope, dont care what they do or how they are, its their choice.
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CEs_EFG
03/27/18 8:04:23 AM
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...
From a biological standpoint yeah, any time you have an individual who innately has desires that run directly against procreation, that would be considered abnormal.


Its against nature to not want to procreate.

That a long with a lot of gays turning gay because of child hood abuse, spread of STDs, and overall promiscuity then yeah there is something wrong
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CEs_EFG
03/27/18 8:07:08 AM
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Ryven
03/27/18 8:08:28 AM
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Zero problem with it. I dont care what they identify as, as long as theyre not hurting other people.
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