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Howl
03/19/18 6:46:55 PM
#51:


cjsdowg posted...
_RETS_ posted...

That term doesn't refer to actual victims. It refers to people who perceive themselves to be victims and blame their own shortcomings on that idea.


Black people are literally in America on many different accounts. wealth is generational. The GI bill that built the white middle class after WWII was not given to many black people. Redlining made black people stay in bad areas and stop advancement. The effects of something like that can be felt today. And that is not even getting to stuff that still goes on.


So your argument is that all black people are victims then? Lol
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Solar_Crimson
03/19/18 6:47:15 PM
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Ganon19 posted...
In 2014, he claimed that the heterosexual AIDS crisis was something entirely manufactured by the Left

What an idiot.
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cjsdowg
03/19/18 6:48:43 PM
#53:


Howl posted...


So your argument is that all black people are victims then? Lol


Yet you didn't address anything that I posted LOL
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Axiom
03/19/18 6:48:58 PM
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Lmao PragerU
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Howl
03/19/18 6:50:09 PM
#55:


cjsdowg posted...
Howl posted...


So your argument is that all black people are victims then? Lol


Yet you didn't address anything that I posted LOL


Because none of what you posted actually is a detriment to the ability of black people to succeed today.
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The Admiral
03/19/18 6:51:08 PM
#56:


lesidesi posted...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/19/upshot/race-class-white-and-black-men.html

Black boys raised in America, even in the wealthiest families and living in some of the most well-to-do neighborhoods, still earn less in adulthood than white boys with similar backgrounds, according to a sweeping new study that traced the lives of millions of children.

White boys who grow up rich are likely to remain that way. Black boys raised at the top, however, are more likely to become poor than to stay wealthy in their own adult households.

Even when children grow up next to each other with parents who earn similar incomes, black boys fare worse than white boys in 99 percent of America. And the gaps only worsen in the kind of neighborhoods that promise low poverty and good schools.


This was discussed in a topic earlier today. Also important to note that the gap only exists for males.
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cjsdowg
03/19/18 6:52:49 PM
#57:


Howl posted...

Because none of what you posted actually is a detriment to the ability of black people to succeed today.


So your contention is that general wealth is not a thing ?
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_RETS_
03/19/18 6:52:53 PM
#58:


cjsdowg posted...
_RETS_ posted...

That term doesn't refer to actual victims. It refers to people who perceive themselves to be victims and blame their own shortcomings on that idea.


Black people are literally in America on many different accounts. wealth is generational. The GI bill that built the white middle class after WWII was not given to many black people. Redlining made black people stay in bad areas and stop advancement. The effects of something like that can be felt today. And that is not even getting to stuff that still goes on.


1) I didn't say anything about black people. I am referring to your mischaracterization of the term "victim complex" and reducing it to meaning that victims should shut up and take it.

2) as it applies to the topic, I'm sure plenty are victims. Plenty of victims in the black community also rise above it because they realize they have their own agency and no matter what has historically (or even presently) kept them down, they can still make a life for themselves. Many blacks do this. Many don't. Some that don't are actual victims that never quite make it out of the struggle. Some that don't are not victims and use perceived victimhood as a crutch and an excuse for never getting anywhere in life. This applies to victims and perceived victims of all races/walks of life.
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robellr13
03/19/18 6:53:01 PM
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lesidesi
03/19/18 6:54:00 PM
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The Admiral posted...
lesidesi posted...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/19/upshot/race-class-white-and-black-men.html

Black boys raised in America, even in the wealthiest families and living in some of the most well-to-do neighborhoods, still earn less in adulthood than white boys with similar backgrounds, according to a sweeping new study that traced the lives of millions of children.

White boys who grow up rich are likely to remain that way. Black boys raised at the top, however, are more likely to become poor than to stay wealthy in their own adult households.

Even when children grow up next to each other with parents who earn similar incomes, black boys fare worse than white boys in 99 percent of America. And the gaps only worsen in the kind of neighborhoods that promise low poverty and good schools.


This was discussed in a topic earlier today. Also important to note that the gap only exists for males.

even more important to note is that there remains a stark and statistically significant difference between white males and black males - in terms of opportunities - and it has less to do with class as many seem to posit
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Howl
03/19/18 6:59:02 PM
#61:


cjsdowg posted...
Howl posted...

Because none of what you posted actually is a detriment to the ability of black people to succeed today.


So your contention is that general wealth is not a thing ?


I think you meant generational wealth, and generational wealth only affects the very top of the top in society to begin with so it's irrelevant entirely to the vast vast majority of peiple of all races.
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cjsdowg
03/19/18 7:00:42 PM
#62:


Howl posted...


I think you meant generational wealth, and generational wealth only affects the very top of the top in society to begin with so it's irrelevant entirely to the vast vast majority of peiple of all races.


No it doesn't it effects top of society it effects people at every level.
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Howl
03/19/18 7:03:22 PM
#63:


cjsdowg posted...
Howl posted...


I think you meant generational wealth, and generational wealth only affects the very top of the top in society to begin with so it's irrelevant entirely to the vast vast majority of peiple of all races.


No it doesn't it effects top of society it effects people at every level.


How does generational wealth effect you in any tangible way? Do your parents have enough money to support you throughout your life even after they die?

No?

Well guess what the same is true of over 99% of people in this country of all demographics.
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Ving_Rhames
03/19/18 7:03:40 PM
#64:


Yes OP, im sure as a black person you know all about it
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_RETS_
03/19/18 7:10:27 PM
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The sooner everyone realizes the issue is nuanced and requires actual honest discussion the better.

It can no more be boiled down to just racism than It can just fatherless households or culture.

But the right can't talk about the reality of certain problems black Americans have without the left squawking about racism, and the left can't talk about the reality of racism without the right bitching about victim complexes.

Until that happens, nothing will change.

What is important is America has provided a way for there to be more rich and successful blacks than ever before in history. But there is always room for improvement across the board.

There is nothing exceptional about black people that climb out of the hole. They, like anyone else who overcomes obstacles, just grit their teeth and do it. They set a positive precedent for ones who are told it's near impossible because white history keeps them down.
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cjsdowg
03/19/18 7:11:04 PM
#66:


Howl posted...

How does generational wealth effect you in any tangible way? Do your parents have enough money to support you throughout your life even after they die?

No?

Well guess what the same is true of over 99% of people in this country of all demographics.


People born in the middle class are more likely to stay in the middle class compared to someone born poor. And this is just one example
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Howl
03/19/18 7:15:02 PM
#67:


cjsdowg posted...
Howl posted...

How does generational wealth effect you in any tangible way? Do your parents have enough money to support you throughout your life even after they die?

No?

Well guess what the same is true of over 99% of people in this country of all demographics.


People born in the middle class are more likely to stay in the middle class compared to someone born poor. And this is just one example


No one in the middle class has generational wealth. So no, it's not an example.
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_RETS_
03/19/18 7:15:14 PM
#68:


cjsdowg posted...
Howl posted...

How does generational wealth effect you in any tangible way? Do your parents have enough money to support you throughout your life even after they die?

No?

Well guess what the same is true of over 99% of people in this country of all demographics.


People born in the middle class are more likely to stay in the middle class compared to someone born poor. And this is just one example


And people born poor that 1) graduate high school 2) get a full time job 3) don't have kids out of wedlock have a very, very high chance of not spending their entire life poor.
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Annihilated
03/19/18 7:31:41 PM
#69:


Squall28 posted...
Where's racism?


You're catching on.
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Nomadic View
03/19/18 7:34:18 PM
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Squall28 posted...
Where's racism?


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iPhone_7
03/19/18 7:34:36 PM
#71:


Ganon19 posted...
Prager said that endorsing Trump was in line with his principles because "We hold that defeating Hillary Clinton, the Democrats, and the Left is also a principle. And that it is the greater principle

In 2014, he claimed that the heterosexual AIDS crisis was something entirely manufactured by the Left

lmaooo


JFC
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cjsdowg
03/19/18 7:34:44 PM
#72:


_RETS_ posted...

And people born poor that 1) graduate high school 2) get a full time job 3) don't have kids out of wedlock have a very, very high chance of not spending their entire life poor.


high school is poorer areas don't have the classes that many in richer areas do.

Next a white high school drop out has the same chance of getting a job as black person with some college.
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The Admiral
03/19/18 7:40:38 PM
#73:


cjsdowg posted...
_RETS_ posted...

And people born poor that 1) graduate high school 2) get a full time job 3) don't have kids out of wedlock have a very, very high chance of not spending their entire life poor.


high school is poorer areas don't have the classes that many in richer areas do.

Next a white high school drop out has the same chance of getting a job as black person with some college.


That statistic has been misused more then any other I've seen since the gender wage gap. All that the actual survey did was look at the data from the BLS and Census and conclude that the unemployment rates for white HS dropouts and black people with some some college were the same -- it never says that they're equally likely to be hired for the same jobs.

Effectively, the survey's conclusion is that graduating HS and attending college is a major help to blacks, since they have a higher overall unemployment rate than whites:

F0aLLFN

The HS graduation and college experience help them close that gap, which you would logically expect.
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CyricZ
03/19/18 7:41:23 PM
#74:


Saw the YT thumbnail and I'm like "Is this freakin' Prager?"

Man has a singular style. >_>
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Howl
03/19/18 7:46:55 PM
#75:


The Admiral posted...
cjsdowg posted...
_RETS_ posted...

And people born poor that 1) graduate high school 2) get a full time job 3) don't have kids out of wedlock have a very, very high chance of not spending their entire life poor.


high school is poorer areas don't have the classes that many in richer areas do.

Next a white high school drop out has the same chance of getting a job as black person with some college.


That statistic has been misused more then any other I've seen since the gender wage gap. All that the actual survey did was look at the data from the BLS and Census and conclude that the unemployment rates for white HS dropouts and black people with some some college were the same -- it never says that they're equally likely to be hired for the same jobs.

Effectively, the survey's conclusion is that graduating HS and attending college is a major help to blacks, since they have a higher overall unemployment rate than whites:

F0aLLFN

The HS graduation and college experience help them close that gap, which you would logically expect.


He'll never respond to this. There's no point in even responding to cjsdowg.
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Howl
03/19/18 7:54:40 PM
#76:


Howl posted...
Howl posted...

Vulgorn posted...

Howl posted...

mario2000 posted...

Howl posted...

Squall28 posted...

Where's racism?

Watch the video. He talks specifically about why it isn't as important as the 5 issues he listed.

"racism isn't as important as the stuff that lets me thumb my nose at the blacks"

A black guy is the one who said it lol. You didnt even click on the video.

Uncle Tom's do thumb their noses at other black people.

It's hilarious that you are literally so utterly racist that you unironically refer to a black guy you disagree with as an Uncle Tom.

Sure bud. Go find the 3 other videos on the Web that support your bad narrative and keep acting like you, as an outsider, know what's best for us black people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hATvvEYVVBM" data-time="

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3e60n2Tqw4" data-time="

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuJOGwloO6o" data-time="


I like how @Vulgorn just completely left this topic after I posted exactly what he asked for.
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Vulgorn
03/19/18 7:56:12 PM
#77:


Howl posted...

I like how @Vulgorn just completely left this topic after I posted exactly what he asked form

Maybe I didn't want to deal with a dude that doesn't understand what a rhetorical statement is.
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Zodd3224
03/19/18 7:59:02 PM
#78:


Offworlder1 posted...
Seems like a flopic.

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Resolution
03/19/18 8:03:39 PM
#79:


John_Galt posted...
Excellent video, tc.

I'm going to pass it on.


Your stormfront ilk has prob already seen it
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The Admiral
03/19/18 8:05:18 PM
#80:


Resolution posted...
John_Galt posted...
Excellent video, tc.

I'm going to pass it on.


Your stormfront ilk has prob already seen it


You know liberals on CE are triggered when they stop addressing the content and start tossing around StormFront accusations.
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_RETS_
03/19/18 8:06:20 PM
#81:


Vulgorn posted...
Howl posted...

I like how @Vulgorn just completely left this topic after I posted exactly what he asked form

Maybe I didn't want to deal with a dude that doesn't understand what a rhetorical statement is.


Hell of a backtrack. But this isn't rhetorical: why is your opinion any more valid than those of the black people posted about ITT?
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Resolution
03/19/18 8:08:23 PM
#82:


The Admiral posted...
Resolution posted...
John_Galt posted...
Excellent video, tc.

I'm going to pass it on.


Your stormfront ilk has prob already seen it


You know liberals on CE are triggered when they stop addressing the content and start tossing around StormFront accusations.


The video has already been torn apart and you guys aren't even discussing it anymore, what content is there to address?
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Howl
03/19/18 8:14:58 PM
#83:


Resolution posted...
The Admiral posted...
Resolution posted...
John_Galt posted...
Excellent video, tc.

I'm going to pass it on.


Your stormfront ilk has prob already seen it


You know liberals on CE are triggered when they stop addressing the content and start tossing around StormFront accusations.


The video has already been torn apart and you guys aren't even discussing it anymore, what content is there to address?


How was it torn apart? Literally the only thing that's been said about the video itself from the people who don't like it, is that guys an uncle tom.
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Taharqa_
03/19/18 8:16:08 PM
#85:


LOL PragerU
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Vulgorn
03/19/18 8:16:28 PM
#86:


_RETS_ posted...
Hell of a backtrack. But this isn't rhetorical: why is your opinion any more valid than those of the black people posted about ITT?

How is that a backtrack? I didn't ask for 3 more videos. I said go find "the 3 other videos on the Internet". Which is to say, "I'll let you believe your bullshit narrative and keep on cherry picking black people to make your points for you. "
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_RETS_
03/19/18 8:17:00 PM
#87:


Vulgorn posted...
_RETS_ posted...
Hell of a backtrack. But this isn't rhetorical: why is your opinion any more valid than those of the black people posted about ITT?

How is that a backtrack? I didn't ask for 3 more videos. I said go find "the 3 other videos on the Internet". Which is to say, "I'll let you believe your bullshit narrative and keep on cherry picking black people to make your points for you. "


Hell of a backtrack. So what makes your opinion more valid?
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Howl
03/19/18 8:20:48 PM
#88:


Vulgorn posted...
_RETS_ posted...
Hell of a backtrack. But this isn't rhetorical: why is your opinion any more valid than those of the black people posted about ITT?

How is that a backtrack? I didn't ask for 3 more videos. I said go find "the 3 other videos on the Internet". Which is to say, "I'll let you believe your bullshit narrative and keep on cherry picking black people to make your points for you. "


Dude there's countless videos like the one's I've posted. You're the one cherry picking black people's opinions and instantly dismissing anyone who's black and has an opinion other than your own as an uncle tom. You're the racist one.
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Vulgorn
03/19/18 8:23:11 PM
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Howl
03/19/18 8:24:28 PM
#91:


_RETS_ posted...
Vulgorn posted...
_RETS_ posted...
Hell of a backtrack. But this isn't rhetorical: why is your opinion any more valid than those of the black people posted about ITT?

How is that a backtrack? I didn't ask for 3 more videos. I said go find "the 3 other videos on the Internet". Which is to say, "I'll let you believe your bullshit narrative and keep on cherry picking black people to make your points for you. "


Hell of a backtrack. So what makes your opinion more valid?


I'm sure saying they're uncle toms literally means they aren't black enough in his opinion.
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muchdran
03/19/18 8:24:38 PM
#92:


Ld64LET
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Zodd3224
03/19/18 8:27:40 PM
#93:


Vulgorn posted...
Okay


Why are you wasting your time in this horrific thread? You have seen TC's other posts on this board have you not?
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Vulgorn
03/19/18 8:28:41 PM
#94:


Zodd3224 posted...
Vulgorn posted...
Okay


Why are you wasting your time in this horrific thread? You have seen TC's other posts on this board have you not?

I have the flu and I'm bored.
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Zodd3224
03/19/18 8:30:53 PM
#95:


Vulgorn posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Vulgorn posted...
Okay


Why are you wasting your time in this horrific thread? You have seen TC's other posts on this board have you not?

I have the flu and I'm bored.


Fair enough. Enjoy :-)
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cjsdowg
03/19/18 8:35:00 PM
#96:


Howl posted...


He'll never respond to this. There's no point in even responding to cjsdowg.


Respond to what, his post does change anything that I said.
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Howl
03/19/18 8:36:16 PM
#97:


cjsdowg posted...
Howl posted...


He'll never respond to this. There's no point in even responding to cjsdowg.


Respond to what, his post does change anything that I said.


I agree that it does change what you said because it completely invalidates it.
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De Evolution
03/19/18 8:42:54 PM
#98:


Spooking posted...
TC post truth and people hate truth. The realities of life are not easy, TC is just trying to give you some insight.


This. I'm black and I agree with those points.
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Howl
03/19/18 8:45:58 PM
#99:


De Evolution posted...
Spooking posted...
TC post truth and people hate truth. The realities of life are not easy, TC is just trying to give you some insight.


This. I'm black and I agree with those points.


Careful @Vulgorn has been quick to throw out the Uncle Tom slur pretty quickly for black people who don't agree with him.
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Vulgorn
03/19/18 8:46:39 PM
#100:


Do me a favor and stop @'ing me
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silentwing26x
03/19/18 8:47:48 PM
#101:


lemme guess

this topic is full of the usual suspects deflecting by saying "prager u" without addressing the arguments
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cjsdowg
03/19/18 8:48:09 PM
#102:


Howl posted...
cjsdowg posted...
Howl posted...


He'll never respond to this. There's no point in even responding to cjsdowg.


Respond to what, his post does change anything that I said.


I agree that it does change what you said because it completely invalidates it.


no it doesn't. The fact of my report still stands.
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