Poll of the Day > One gun control arugment I don't understand...

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Imo before we even consider banning guns, we should disarm the entirety of fhe government. Especially the police and military.

VeeVees posted...

For example, NRA is paying millions to keep outdated laws that benefit them.

what benefit is there for a normal citizen to give up their right to arm themselves?

CarefreeDude posted...

One argument for not taking guns away, is that "We need them in case the government becomes evil and we need to overthrow it."

Alright, say that's true. And say literally every man, woman, and child is equipped with an AR-15 and unlimited ammo, how exactly are we supposed to over throw one of the worlds largest armed forces? How are the common people, even armed with unlimited ammo supposed to go against drones, powerful bombs, aircraft, tanks, etc. Sure, a small handful of military vehicle are owned by civilians, but those aren't going to last long. The general population is hopeless to stand up against death from the skies; not to mention all the possibilities of bioweapons or simply shutting off the utilities the government controls.

Perhaps in the musket days the general population could overthrow the government via force, but I don't think it's possible in today's world.

You do realize that about half the states would probably defect, and those states have tanks, and drones, and bombs. Your argument holds no water. Under your logic, all the soldiers should stop carrying guns too. What's the point if they have tanks, and drones? Stupid. Small arms are the key asset to overtaking a larger force. You ambush key targets, steal all their shit, and go back into hiding. It's one of the oldest tactics on earth, and just as effective now as it was in the Bronze Age.
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Ozmose posted...

CarefreeDude posted...

One argument for not taking guns away, is that "We need them in case the government becomes evil and we need to overthrow it."

Alright, say that's true. And say literally every man, woman, and child is equipped with an AR-15 and unlimited ammo, how exactly are we supposed to over throw one of the worlds largest armed forces? How are the common people, even armed with unlimited ammo supposed to go against drones, powerful bombs, aircraft, tanks, etc. Sure, a small handful of military vehicle are owned by civilians, but those aren't going to last long. The general population is hopeless to stand up against death from the skies; not to mention all the possibilities of bioweapons or simply shutting off the utilities the government controls.

Perhaps in the musket days the general population could overthrow the government via force, but I don't think it's possible in today's world.

You do realize that about half the states would probably defect, and those states have tanks, and drones, and bombs. Your argument holds no water. Under your logic, all the soldiers should stop carrying guns too. What's the point if they have tanks, and drones? Stupid. Small arms are the key asset to overtaking a larger force. You ambush key targets, steal all their shit, and go back into hiding. It's one of the oldest tactics on earth, and just as effective now as it was in the Bronze Age.

Name me one revolution that's happened in the last 100 years where an armed populace defeated a dictator without military aid, internal or external (or, at the very least, the military sitting back and allowing said revolution to happen).

Go ahead, I'll wait.
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We would never have a revolution here, it would be a civil war. We would have military aid, from our own military. That's the point I'm trying to get across. This country would fracture, and what is now the current US military would become two separate forces. Don't believe me? Go ask some soldiers if they're willing to start kicking down people's doors to seize their weapons. Some might say yes, but I guarantee half or more will say they'll throw their uniform in the trash and fight alongside the people.
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We want to avoid that outcome, but be willing to embrace it if absolutely necessary.

Much like why our government keeps nuclear weapons around.

If you shoot hard enough, you can kill a tank.
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Foppe posted...

I think Ive asked this ten times this year on these boards without getting a serious responds...
Why would the whole military join Dictator Trump and slaughter their own brothers and sisters?

I dunno, I mean why did Nazi soldiers do it? Yeah a few refused, but if the majority didn't "follow orders", WWII wouldn't have happened.
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EvilMegas posted...

If you shoot hard enough, you can kill a tank.

Gotta hit the glowing weak spot though
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EvilMegas posted...

If you shoot hard enough, you can kill a tank.

Or just go to YouTube or somewhere and learn how to make a bomb
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I love how in these topics those on the right make logical, well thought out posts referencing history and the like while those on the left just make jokes and ridicule them... "LMAO just shoot hard to kill tanks"

Lay off the Trevor Noah and Stephen Colbert for a few weeks and do some critical thinking and formulate an argument

Thats the reason for the jokes.

What are you gonna do against tanks and jets with your AR-15?
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Leave it to the generation of outlet covers and cabinet locks to want to take arms away. If you pussies went so coddled you'd understand the world is not flowers and lambs with your mother at the gate, now there's rapists and robbers at the gate but you are too afraid of guns... Enjoy sodomy than death
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So that's why I havent been raped yet...
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EvilMegas posted...

So that's why I havent been raped yet...

Undesireability and not leaving your moms breast?
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why would our armed forces be against us if we wanted to overthrow all these shithead politicians??
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ferko420 posted...

EvilMegas posted...

So that's why I havent been raped yet...

Undesireability and not leaving your moms breast?

Nah, cuz you guys have guns, apparently.
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EvilMegas posted...

ferko420 posted...

EvilMegas posted...

So that's why I havent been raped yet...

Undesireability and not leaving your moms breast?

Nah, cuz you guys have guns, apparently.

You're welcome
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I love my guns but I doubt they will do much against a trained military
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CarefreeDude posted...

I love my guns but I doubt they will do much against a trained military

dont have to engage strictly in direct combat against the military. attack supply lines. attack their infrastructure. attack their families. attack the families of tyrannical politicians.

KaptainKiro posted...

CarefreeDude posted...

I love my guns but I doubt they will do much against a trained military

dont have to engage strictly in direct combat against the military. attack supply lines. attack their infrastructure. attack their families. attack the families of tyrannical politicians.

If the state of the country has gotten so bad that the general population is killing families, the military is probably doing the right thing.
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CarefreeDude posted...

If the state of the country has gotten so bad that the general population is killing families, the military is probably doing the right thing.

targeting families of politicians would only be something done in event a tyrant induced civil war tho. why r u such a bootlicker lol

KaptainKiro posted...

CarefreeDude posted...

If the state of the country has gotten so bad that the general population is killing families, the military is probably doing the right thing.

targeting families of politicians would only be something done in event a tyrant induced civil war tho. why r u such a bootlicker lol

I'm just against murdering innocent people.
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CarefreeDude posted...

I'm just against murdering innocent people.

not exactly a smart wartime maneuver to spare the allies of your enemies

KaptainKiro posted...

CarefreeDude posted...

I love my guns but I doubt they will do much against a trained military

dont have to engage strictly in direct combat against the military. attack supply lines. attack their infrastructure. attack their families. attack the families of tyrannical politicians.

Yeah, bob from accounting and cleetus the redneck are gonna flank the trained military units and do all that.
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I forgot mat the neckbeard.
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EvilMegas posted...

Yeah, bob from accounting and cleetus the redneck are gonna flank the trained military units and do all that.

you are absolutely right, some people arent suited for war so we better disarm the entire populace

EvilMegas posted...

KaptainKiro posted...

CarefreeDude posted...

I love my guns but I doubt they will do much against a trained military

dont have to engage strictly in direct combat against the military. attack supply lines. attack their infrastructure. attack their families. attack the families of tyrannical politicians.

Yeah, bob from accounting and cleetus the redneck are gonna flank the trained military units and do all that.

Umm... Bob from accounting and Cleetus the Redneck ARE the "trained" military units. The military isn't storm troopers, it's randos from buttfuck nowhere prodded and shouted at until they're submissive.
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Nah, just poking holes in your logic that you think youll be able to beat the fucking military with guerrilla warfare.

Also, stop using the stupid logic:
"oh, these guys dont want fucking crazy people to have guns, that must mean he doesnt want anyone to have guns. Ever!"

Doof.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

EvilMegas posted...

KaptainKiro posted...

CarefreeDude posted...

I love my guns but I doubt they will do much against a trained military

dont have to engage strictly in direct combat against the military. attack supply lines. attack their infrastructure. attack their families. attack the families of tyrannical politicians.

Yeah, bob from accounting and cleetus the redneck are gonna flank the trained military units and do all that.

Umm... Bob from accounting and Cleetus the Redneck ARE the "trained" military units. The military isn't storm troopers, it's randos from buttfuck nowhere prodded and shouted at until they're submissive.

A guy off the street and a trained military personnel are nowhere near the same. Stop being that guy.
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I love how this board thinks that every member of the military is an elite commando instead of a regular joe that will buckle the first time they are in a live fire scenario.
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CarefreeDude posted...

One argument for not taking guns away, is that "We need them in case the government becomes evil and we need to overthrow it."

Alright, say that's true. And say literally every man, woman, and child is equipped with an AR-15 and unlimited ammo, how exactly are we supposed to over throw one of the worlds largest armed forces? How are the common people, even armed with unlimited ammo supposed to go against drones, powerful bombs, aircraft, tanks, etc. Sure, a small handful of military vehicle are owned by civilians, but those aren't going to last long. The general population is hopeless to stand up against death from the skies; not to mention all the possibilities of bioweapons or simply shutting off the utilities the government controls.

Perhaps in the musket days the general population could overthrow the government via force, but I don't think it's possible in today's world.

You assume that our military is a bunch of unfeeling, unthinking drones. A great many of them are oathkeepers and Patriots that would refuse unlawful orders.

Many people also forget that the Continental Army was equipped with canons that were privately owned back when our navy was still in tree form and our main tactic was to run the British navy up and down the Hudson until it froze.

Unless you're in the camp that supports the military launching all of our nukes straight up in a dead man's hand situation, depending on the military to enforce martial law when shtf is foolhearty at best.

No, I haven't read the rest of the topic, this is my reaction to the OP.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

I love how this board thinks that every member of the military is an elite command instead of a regular joe that will buckle the first time they are in a live fire scenario.

No one said that ever. I work at a military hospital, some of the dudes there are bitches, but Ive also seen a ton of men and women who would fuck us all up
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EvilMegas posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

I love how this board thinks that every member of the military is an elite command instead of a regular joe that will buckle the first time they are in a live fire scenario.

No one said that ever. I work at a military hospital, some of the dudes there are bitches, but Ive also seen a ton of men and women who would fuck us all up

All the people acting like an armed populace couldn't withstand a government coup are saying it.

There are plenty of civilians that could fuck us all up as well.
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This is very true
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SunWuKung420 posted...

I love how this board thinks that every member of the military is an elite commando instead of a regular joe that will buckle the first time they are in a live fire scenario.

A trained military ISNT a regular joe. Sure, some of them will buckle, but you act as though they all will.
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CarefreeDude posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

I love how this board thinks that every member of the military is an elite commando instead of a regular joe that will buckle the first time they are in a live fire scenario.

A trained military ISNT a regular joe. Sure, some of them will buckle, but you act as though they all will.

My brother is an active airman. They did not prepare him for actual combat.
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An armed population may not be able to overthrow the government (personally, it depends on who the majority of the military sides with), but it could turn an overwhelming defeat into a conflict lasting decades that bleeds the nation dry, if the government isn't willing to go scorched earth.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

CarefreeDude posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

I love how this board thinks that every member of the military is an elite commando instead of a regular joe that will buckle the first time they are in a live fire scenario.

A trained military ISNT a regular joe. Sure, some of them will buckle, but you act as though they all will.

My brother is an active airman. They did not prepare him for actual combat.

I wasn't aware the experience of one person meant everyone's experience was like that.
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You're not seeming very carefree right now dude

OhhhJa posted...

You're not seeming very carefree right now dude

At the moment I'm just a BaitingDude
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CarefreeDude posted...

OhhhJa posted...

You're not seeming very carefree right now dude

At the moment I'm just a BaitingDude

Baiting or 'Bating?
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CarefreeDude posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

CarefreeDude posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

I love how this board thinks that every member of the military is an elite commando instead of a regular joe that will buckle the first time they are in a live fire scenario.

A trained military ISNT a regular joe. Sure, some of them will buckle, but you act as though they all will.

My brother is an active airman. They did not prepare him for actual combat.

I wasn't aware the experience of one person meant everyone's experience was like that.

Umm, if one wasn't prepared for active combat, many others weren't also.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

CarefreeDude posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

CarefreeDude posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

I love how this board thinks that every member of the military is an elite commando instead of a regular joe that will buckle the first time they are in a live fire scenario.

A trained military ISNT a regular joe. Sure, some of them will buckle, but you act as though they all will.

My brother is an active airman. They did not prepare him for actual combat.

I wasn't aware the experience of one person meant everyone's experience was like that.

Umm, if one wasn't prepared for active combat, many others weren't also.

Also, its pretty self evident anyway that most military members aren't prepared for active combat

SunWuKung420 posted...

CarefreeDude posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

I love how this board thinks that every member of the military is an elite commando instead of a regular joe that will buckle the first time they are in a live fire scenario.

A trained military ISNT a regular joe. Sure, some of them will buckle, but you act as though they all will.

My brother is an active airman. They did not prepare him for actual combat.

Thats because hes in the fucking Air Force. But cool story.
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Cacciato posted...

Thats because hes in the fucking Air Force. But cool story.

We all know you were "that" marine screaming for mommy while under fire.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Cacciato posted...

Thats because hes in the fucking Air Force. But cool story.

We all know you were "that" marine streaming for mommy while under fire.

What? Dude how are you 40 years old
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Even if the government turns evil all the sudden it isnt like military men and women are mindless.

So...it would be a civil war not the people versus a bunch of robots
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Cacciato posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Cacciato posted...

Thats because hes in the fucking Air Force. But cool story.

We all know you were "that" marine screaming for mommy while under fire.

What? Dude how are you 40 years old

I'm not.
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So... Why are we supporting a government if we're expecting them to bring hell down upon us? That just makes no sense.

We could just stop bending over for the NRA, but people are apparently more prepared to turn on our government so... I don't see that happening.
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