Poll of the Day > America was safer when we still had insane asylums

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I believe that the culture of being too soft on the criminally insane as well as the sick obsession with guns has created the mess we are in today.

That's because the burden of proof for insanity is much lower than reality.
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Most mass murderers aren't mentally ill (and I don't think it's been confirmed whether or not yesterday's shooter was), so that's not going to help all that much.
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Lokarin posted...

That's because the burden of proof for insanity is much lower than reality.

Probably because insanity is only really a legal term. Mentally ill people such as those who are schizophrenic, schizoaffective, or some other disorder with psychotic features aren't necessarily dangerous. When the legal system is talking about someone who is insane, they mean that they were basically not in their right mind and thus not legally responsible for their actions. Of course it's extremely hard to prove. People have pretended to have Dissociative Identity Disorder just to get a lighter sentence. Psychopaths really just have a personality disorder which are largely untreatable unlike mental illness.

Uhhh.... since when did we get rid of insane asylums? Last I checked, we still have them.
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Zeus posted...

Uhhh.... since when did we get rid of insane asylums? Last I checked, we still have them.

He must mean back when they used to do fucked up stuff like lobotomies

Golden Road posted...

Most mass murderers aren't mentally ill (and I don't think it's been confirmed whether or not yesterday's shooter was), so that's not going to help all that much.

Well in order to commit murder, your brain needs to have something broken in it.
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Golden Road posted...

Most mass murderers aren't mentally ill (and I don't think it's been confirmed whether or not yesterday's shooter was), so that's not going to help all that much.

I'd say you would have to be mentally ill to commit a mass murder.
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OhhhJa posted...

Zeus posted...

Uhhh.... since when did we get rid of insane asylums? Last I checked, we still have them.

He must mean back when they used to do fucked up stuff like lobotomies

https://blogs.psychcentral.com/nlp/files/2013/03/lobotomobile.jpg
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Despite what you see in the news, America is safer than it has been in many decades
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Mead posted...

Despite what you see in the news, America is safer than it has been in many decades

Wrong. FBI statistics report that the amount of mass shootings has increased.

WarGreymon77 posted...

Golden Road posted...

Most mass murderers aren't mentally ill (and I don't think it's been confirmed whether or not yesterday's shooter was), so that's not going to help all that much.

Well in order to commit murder, your brain needs to have something broken in it.

HeyImAlex posted...

Golden Road posted...

Most mass murderers aren't mentally ill (and I don't think it's been confirmed whether or not yesterday's shooter was), so that's not going to help all that much.

I'd say you would have to be mentally ill to commit a mass murder.

Not really, no. All you need is purpose (hate) and the means (weapons).

Man has been killing man since forever. It's in our nature, it's just been dormant due to cultural evolution and social constructs.
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HagenEx posted...

WarGreymon77 posted...

Golden Road posted...

Most mass murderers aren't mentally ill (and I don't think it's been confirmed whether or not yesterday's shooter was), so that's not going to help all that much.

Well in order to commit murder, your brain needs to have something broken in it.

HeyImAlex posted...

Golden Road posted...

Most mass murderers aren't mentally ill (and I don't think it's been confirmed whether or not yesterday's shooter was), so that's not going to help all that much.

I'd say you would have to be mentally ill to commit a mass murder.

Not really, no. All you need is purpose (hate) and the means (weapons).

Man has been killing man since forever. It's in our nature, it's just been dormant due to cultural evolution and social constructs.

I don't think the Vegas shooter was mentally ill. he probably wouldn't have been able to do what he did without a gun. building a bomb is not exactly easy, and someone would catch on by the time he finishes it.

BRlNG BACK BOOBYHATCHES
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I can't remember how I'm related to her, but somebody way back in my family (I think my granddad's aunt) was put in an insane asylum because she got pregnant out of wedlock (this was in England).
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America needs a real life frank castle to take out the trash.
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gbpxl posted...

Mead posted...

Despite what you see in the news, America is safer than it has been in many decades

Wrong. FBI statistics report that the amount of mass shootings has increased.

What if I told you that there are many other types of violence?
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Mead posted...

gbpxl posted...

Mead posted...

Despite what you see in the news, America is safer than it has been in many decades

Wrong. FBI statistics report that the amount of mass shootings has increased.

What if I told you that there are many other types of violence?

I don't know where you're going with that but I'm old enough to remember a time when there weren't 2-3 high-profile mass shootings on the nightly news every year. And this is only going back 15-20 years.

Do you really not see where Mead is going

It's not hard to see

gbpxl posted...

Mead posted...

gbpxl posted...

Mead posted...

Despite what you see in the news, America is safer than it has been in many decades

Wrong. FBI statistics report that the amount of mass shootings has increased.

What if I told you that there are many other types of violence?

I don't know where you're going with that but I'm old enough to remember a time when there weren't 2-3 high-profile mass shootings on the nightly news every year. And this is only going back 15-20 years.

Those are awful, but even today do you think the number of people killed in mass shootings comes anywhere close to the number of homicides, rape, and violent assault?

You might hear about high profile shootings on a regular basis but theyre also exceedingly rare given the sheer number of people in this country alone.
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Mead posted...

gbpxl posted...

Mead posted...

gbpxl posted...

Mead posted...

Despite what you see in the news, America is safer than it has been in many decades

Wrong. FBI statistics report that the amount of mass shootings has increased.

What if I told you that there are many other types of violence?

I don't know where you're going with that but I'm old enough to remember a time when there weren't 2-3 high-profile mass shootings on the nightly news every year. And this is only going back 15-20 years.

Those are awful, but even today do you think the number of people killed in mass shootings comes anywhere close to the number of homicides, rape, and violent assault?

You might hear about high profile shootings on a regular basis but theyre also exceedingly rare given the sheer number of people in this country alone.

being exceedingly rare doesn't matter much to someone whose child's brains were just scattered across the classroom floor, does it?

gbpxl posted...

being exceedingly rare doesn't matter much to someone whose child's brains were just scattered across the classroom floor, does it?

You could use this argument for literally anything up to and including things that are false.
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Smarkil posted...

gbpxl posted...

being exceedingly rare doesn't matter much to someone whose child's brains were just scattered across the classroom floor, does it?

You could use this argument for literally anything up to and including things that are false.

I agree.

gbpxl posted...

Smarkil posted...

gbpxl posted...

being exceedingly rare doesn't matter much to someone whose child's brains were just scattered across the classroom floor, does it?

You could use this argument for literally anything up to and including things that are false.

I agree.

So are you accepting that it's a terrible argument?
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Smarkil posted...

gbpxl posted...

Smarkil posted...

gbpxl posted...

being exceedingly rare doesn't matter much to someone whose child's brains were just scattered across the classroom floor, does it?

You could use this argument for literally anything up to and including things that are false.

I agree.

So are you accepting that it's a terrible argument?

No.

The issue is so politicized and both sides are guilty of manipulating the facts to sound better for their own agenda. If it were possible to find an unbiased oversight committee to weigh in on gun violence and present everything clearly with in-depth statistics that were irrefutable, and everyone magically agreed to shut up and honor the findings, there may be a resolution. That'll never happen though.

I understand where both sides are coming from though, at least with certain points, but there will be no gun control without replacing the government in a coup. To the decent people with firearms, it's like getting a game full of shoddy DRM code to stop pirates, who find workarounds anyway... Where I change gears on the issue is that it's really fucking hard to go on a killing spree wielding a video game, so you can't treat it as carelessly.

I like the way Canada handles gun control. My dad had a bunch of guns (he sold them because they never got used), and some of my friends have several (mainly for hunting). Gun-related homicides here are almost entirely bad guys killing each other so nobody really cares. The odd time it spills over, there's hell to pay.

There was a recent thing in the news about how these drunk thugs were on a crime spree out in the country, with a loaded gun, and one got his head blown off confronting a guy defending his family. The natives are all crying racism that the guy was found not guilty of murder by a jury, and King Dicknose (Trudeau) pulled a Trump and questioned the validity of the verdict, well outside his bounds. The guy was a fucking scumbag, but it's harder to admit that among his family/friends/SJWs... If he didn't have a weapon, he'd have been the victim of another crime they were committing along their travels that day. No police are close enough to help. If guns were banned outright, he or his loved ones could've been shot rather than the person that apparently deserved to be.
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There's a lot of arguments in which one could make the case that society needs to change for the .01% or so of people affected by whatever issue. If that weren't true, they wouldn't have made the bathroom thing such a big deal.

TheCyborgNinja posted...

The issue is so politicized and both sides are guilty of manipulating the facts to sound better for their own agenda. If it were possible to find an unbiased oversight committee to weigh in on gun violence and present everything clearly with in-depth statistics that were irrefutable, and everyone magically agreed to shut up and honor the findings, there may be a resolution. That'll never happen though.

I understand where both sides are coming from though, at least with certain points, but there will be no gun control without replacing the government in a coup. To the decent people with firearms, it's like getting a game full of shoddy DRM code to stop pirates, who find workarounds anyway... Where I change gears on the issue is that it's really fucking hard to go on a killing spree wielding a video game, so you can't treat it as carelessly.

I like the way Canada handles gun control. My dad had a bunch of guns (he sold them because they never got used), and some of my friends have several (mainly for hunting). Gun-related homicides here are almost entirely bad guys killing each other so nobody really cares. The odd time it spills over, there's hell to pay.

There was a recent thing in the news about how these drunk thugs were on a crime spree out in the country, with a loaded gun, and one got his head blown off confronting a guy defending his family. The natives are all crying racism that the guy was found not guilty of murder by a jury, and King Dicknose (Trudeau) pulled a Trump and questioned the validity of the verdict, well outside his bounds. The guy was a fucking scumbag, but it's harder to admit that among his family/friends/SJWs... If he didn't have a weapon, he'd have been the victim of another crime they were committing along their travels that day. No police are close enough to help. If guns were banned outright, he or his loved ones could've been shot rather than the person that apparently deserved to be.

if guns were banned, how would those drunk thugs have gotten guns?

Ah the good old days of bedlam; when you could charge a small fee to let people come and view the loonies.
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I find it hard to believe that you can have a sick obsession with guns. If you're interested in guns, why would you do something tgat would get you imprisoned and your guns removed? And if you're interested in guns, what has shooting people got to do with it? Guns are pretty cool things mechanically.
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