Poll of the Day > What are your thoughts on anti homeless architecture?

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....have portrusions or barriers so homeless are unable to sleep on them etc... do you have a problem with this?
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I understand the reasoning, but I think it is a cruel solution to a problem and there are probably better ones that dont result in a person having to sleep on the ground or behind a dumpster
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The better option is to round up the homeless and move them somewhere else.
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aHappySacka posted...

The better option is to round up the homeless and move them somewhere else.

do you think it's true that most homeless do have a mental illness as i've read before?
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Whats the point if they can just sleep under the dumpster?
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UT1999 posted...

do you think it's true that most homeless do have a mental illness as i've read before?

Maybe half? pretty sure they end up like that due to troubles with being laid-off, their skills end up being obsolete, etc, or just plain bad luck but I've read articles about the homeless having the capacity to get back on their feet if assisted with subsidized housing but many governments don't tend to do that because it's too expensive.
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The purpose of it is to make something uncomfortable, if a bench is uncomfortable the people using the bench will be uncomfortable. Don't make your average citizen uncomfortable just because you don't want to provide homeless people with a proper shelter even though providing them with shelter has been shown to save money.

https://endhomelessness.org/study-data-show-that-housing-chronically-homeless-people-saves-money-lives/
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i've read some people with the opinion that even if most homeless were given a basic dwelling that they would continue being out there, like they like being on the streets
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UT1999 posted...

i've read some people with the opinion that even if most homeless were given a basic dwelling that they would continue being out there, like they like being on the streets

Silly considering several cities have experimented with providing basic housing to the homeless and found that it both reduces homelessness and lowers the amount of money taxpayers spend on homelessness issues.
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How bout taking care of them instead of saying "You're unsightly. Go away" ?
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UT1999 posted...

aHappySacka posted...

The better option is to round up the homeless and move them somewhere else.

do you think it's true that most homeless do have a mental illness as i've read before?

they do. most normal people use the endless services that exist. the people on the streets are the ones who don't want to follow the rules. they tend to either be crazy and/or on drugs.

Bagamak posted...

the people on the streets are the ones who don't want to follow the rules.

seriously this. most homeless ppl are homeless because they want to do drugs and steal shit. we need to start dropping these people off onto deserted islands or some shit.

WarGreymon77 posted...

How bout taking care of them instead of saying "You're unsightly. Go away" ?

how about just getting rid of these fucking resource black holes permanently?

Kindness is the greatest of all virtues. I don't believe we should abandon those less fortunate.
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WarGreymon77 posted...

Kindness is the greatest of all virtues. I don't believe we should abandon those less fortunate.

do they really count as less fortunate when their homelessness is the result of them choosing to be selfish, destructive societal menaces?

and why does your kindness not extend to the ppl who have to finance their bullshit and deal with the homeless people ravaging their communities?

I feel like we had a word for the last world power that started killing off the parts of society they found undesirable. Was it the Yahtzees?
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KaptainKiro posted...

do they really count as less fortunate when their homelessness is the result of them choosing to be selfish, destructive societal menaces?

Yeah

KaptainKiro posted...

and why does your kindness not extend to the ppl who have to finance their bullshit and deal with the homeless people ravaging their communities?

It do, were all in this together guy
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If you want structures to be used AS INTENDED, you have to make changes when they're not being used as intended. More importantly, it's not these particular organizations' jobs to fix homelessness. That needs to be handled by other parts of government.
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Zeus posted...

If you want structures to be used AS INTENDED, you have to make changes when they're not being used as intended. More importantly, it's not these particular organizations' jobs to fix homelessness. That needs to be handled by other parts of government.

So you agree they have no place putting bars and spikes on benches then
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Mead posted...

I feel like we had a word for the last world power that started killing off the parts of society they found undesirable. Was it the Yahtzees?

comparing innocent people to criminal junkies, interesting approach. moronically flawed, but interesting.

It do, were all in this together guy

obviously it doesn't, as you are a-ok with these ppl shitting up communities, committing crimes and ruining lives under the guise of kindness. we cant be "in this together" when theres a segment that seeks to do nothing but mooch off the working ppl while victimizing them.

You got a lot of anger bud, theres better ways to solve problems
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Is it time for PotD to start advocating for the extermination of the poor? oh boy! :)
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Mead posted...

You got a lot of anger bud, theres better ways to solve problems

and you are very naive. not everyone can be saved. some ppl will do nothing but exponentially drain on society if you dont stop them. this can be observed in many cities in the united states, particularly on the west coast. every single form of governmental assistance is horrifically strained because we choose to let even the worst of the worst be on the taxpayers dime rather than get rid of them. its unsustainable.

Blighboy posted...

Is it time for PotD to start advocating for the extermination of the poor? oh boy! :)

the tactic of labeling homeless criminal junkies who victimize others to maintain their selfish lifestyles as just "the poor" is so intellectually dishonest, why do ppl love to do that so much? are you unable to differentiate between a child molesting meth user and a working single mother whose husband died?

Blighboy posted...

Is it time for PotD to start advocating for the extermination of the poor? oh boy! :)

I mean someone just implied to me that joining the military and dodging bullets is better than being poor so
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Nightengale posted...

Blighboy posted...

Is it time for PotD to start advocating for the extermination of the poor? oh boy! :)

I mean someone just implied to me that joining the military and dodging bullets is better than being poor so

You could also join the military and work in an office, which is also better than being poor. But whatever...
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I dont live in a war machine country so I couldnt really but youre entirely missing my point
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KaptainKiro posted...

are you unable to differentiate between a child molesting meth user and a working single mother whose husband died?

Are you able to think about other individuals complexly and with nuance or is everyone either a saint or a necessary casualty.
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WarGreymon77 posted...

How bout taking care of them instead of saying "You're unsightly. Go away" ?

Its rough but even happening to homeowners if they are not deemed rich enough. Gentrification man.

Blighboy posted...

Are you able to think about other individuals complexly and with nuance or is everyone either a saint or a necessary casualty.

dont think ive indicated anywhere that those are the only two options, so im not sure what you are getting at.

perhaps you could explain to me why including heroin addicts who break into homes, steal things, leave used needles on playgrounds, shit in the walkway of a business, then pass out on the sidewalk in our society is a good thing. im trying to find the benefits of it, but i seem to be unable to.

Blighboy posted...

Is it time for PotD to start advocating for the extermination of the poor? oh boy! :)

I love how your immediate response is to start justifying rather than denying this.
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KaptainKiro posted...

perhaps you could explain to me why including heroin addicts who break into homes, steal things, leave used needles on playgrounds, shit in the walkway of a business, then pass out on the sidewalk in our society is a good thing.

Some of the things you describe are crimes and we have jails for those

But just because someone is homeless does not mean they are also a criminal. Youre calling others naive but you seem to be ignorant about the growing number of working poor in the US that are employed and contribute to society but cant afford housing for their family so they live in shelters or out of their cars.

Many celebrities and prominent figures in our society were once in the same situation. If people like you had your way they would just be done away with because you blame them for all your woes.
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Living in a city full of annoying, criminal bums I'd like to murder, I'm so pro I need a new word for it. Supro?
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Mead posted...

Some of the things you describe are crimes and we have jails for those

jails are perpetually overcrowded because we refuse to rid ourselves of the criminal element that plagues our society.

But just because someone is homeless does not mean they are also a criminal.

havent once stated that homelessness means criminality. i literally posted in this topic to second the notion that the truly homeless ppl who roam the streets are the ones that break the rules. the shelters where i live, for instance, have plenty of room but the ppl on the streets wont stay there because they wont let you do drugs, wont let you in and out at 2 AM, and will kick you out for starting fights or stealing. one shelter in my area actually had to close for a week because of junkies flushing needles down the toilet. im only advocating getting rid of the ppl who show no desire to improve their situation after repeated chances to do so.

Many celebrities and prominent figures in our society were once in the same situation.

no disputing that, i had to do that for about two years. the difference is that i worked towards improving my situation, whereas the ppl roaming the streets typically have been given dozens of chances to do so and have chosen not to.

you blame them for all your woes.

baseless assumption. i blame them for ruining neighborhoods, making public places less safe, spreading disease, and endlessly consuming resources that could be used on ppl who actually want to participate in society.

^I like this guy.
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I think that is good. I shouldnt be able to not sit on a public bench since some guy wants to sleep on it. Also I have breathed in enough second hand smoke from homeless people for one life time. Believe or not a large chunk of homeless people only have themselves to blame for the situation they are in. And one time I say a homeless person digging through the trash and eating/drinking it, yuck. Anyway there are plenty of programs homeless people can go to instead of just loitering around the city.
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aHappySacka posted...

The better option is to round up the homeless and move them somewhere else.

Of course like a camp of sort. All of history's good guys put people into camps :p
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KaptainKiro posted...

jails are perpetually overcrowded because we refuse to rid ourselves of the criminal element that plagues our society.

Please elaborate.
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Ben111 posted...

I think that is good. I shouldnt be able to not sit on a public bench since some guy wants to sleep on it. Also I have breathed in enough second hand smoke from homeless people for one life time. Believe or not a large chunk of homeless people only have themselves to blame for the situation they are in. And one time I say a homeless person digging through the trash and eating/drinking it, yuck. Anyway there are plenty of programs homeless people can go to instead of just loitering around the city.

Hey at least theyre vaccinated though amiright
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Mead posted...

UT1999 posted...

i've read some people with the opinion that even if most homeless were given a basic dwelling that they would continue being out there, like they like being on the streets

Silly considering several cities have experimented with providing basic housing to the homeless and found that it both reduces homelessness and lowers the amount of money taxpayers spend on homelessness issues.

This. Utah did it apparently and it was a massive success. They got jobs and became parts of society.

Mead posted...

KaptainKiro posted...

jails are perpetually overcrowded because we refuse to rid ourselves of the criminal element that plagues our society.

Please elaborate.

Alot of homeless people are people with mental issues, 90% turn to criminal activity because there is no other route.

Mead posted...

Please elaborate.

ok. rather than exile or execute the worst our society has to offer, we instead give them free shit for life while forcing their victims to fund it because there's a chance that 1 in 100,000 of them might stop being shitbags.

Considering that most of the homeless are covert ops defending freedom, it's messed up.
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KaptainKiro posted...

Mead posted...

Please elaborate.

ok. rather than exile or execute the worst our society has to offer, we instead give them free shit for life while forcing their victims to fund it because there's a chance that 1 in 100,000 of them might stop being shitbags.

How about they exile or execute people who think like this. Educate yourself please and stop using bullshit anecdotal evidence as proof.

ImmortalityV posted...

aHappySacka posted...

The better option is to round up the homeless and move them somewhere else.

Of course like a camp of sort. All of history's good guys put people into camps :p

yeah like FDR
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DS9 had a 2 part episode about the prospect of the US rounding up the homeless, jobless, and mentally ill and shoving them in segregated districts.

I believe the mayor of LA also toyed around with the idea of doing something similar around the time that episode aired.

WarGreymon77 posted...

Kindness is the greatest of all virtues. I don't believe we should abandon those less fortunate.

we offer up help to everyone. some of them reject the help. in order to sleep in shelters or take part in services to help you out, you have to follow certain rules like not taking drugs. these people would rather just sleep on the street and get high. it's hard to feel sorry for them. I would be homeless too except I signed up for services and got housing help. and I follow the rules and don't take drugs.

Bagamak posted...

UT1999 posted...

aHappySacka posted...

The better option is to round up the homeless and move them somewhere else.

do you think it's true that most homeless do have a mental illness as i've read before?

they do. most normal people use the endless services that exist. the people on the streets are the ones who don't want to follow the rules. they tend to either be crazy and/or on drugs.

yup.
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slacker03150 posted...

The purpose of it is to make something uncomfortable, if a bench is uncomfortable the people using the bench will be uncomfortable. Don't make your average citizen uncomfortable just because you don't want to provide homeless people with a proper shelter even though providing them with shelter has been shown to save money.

https://endhomelessness.org/study-data-show-that-housing-chronically-homeless-people-saves-money-lives/

no, they put something on part of the bench that would act like a divider if you were sitting down. that makes it uncomfortable for sleeping, but doesn't interfere with sitting
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I'm not up to speed as to the accessibility to sleeping areas for the homeless in the big cities. For me it hinges solely on that.
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Mead posted...

Zeus posted...

If you want structures to be used AS INTENDED, you have to make changes when they're not being used as intended. More importantly, it's not these particular organizations' jobs to fix homelessness. That needs to be handled by other parts of government.

So you agree they have no place putting bars and spikes on benches then

The only way you could read my statement and reach that conclusion is if you were trolling. The fixes to these structures have NOTHING to do with fixing homelessness, instead they're modifying THEIR structures to ensure that the structures serve their intended function.

And, because their job isn't to help the homeless, they're not in the business of making structures designed for the homeless. After all, when it comes to government, OTHER departments exist to cover those needs. (Every single division shouldn't be deployed to ignore the thing they were tasked to do in order to fix something else.) And, in the case of private companies, they're under no more obligation than you to help the homeless. When's the last time you opened up your home so some poor guy on the street (and it's almost always men) had a safe place to sleep?

And, finally, an overabundance of homeless people frequenting certain areas drives off regular folk who may wind up pursuing opportunities elsewhere and causing a city to lose tax dollars so it's even *less* able to support the homeless and other needy groups.
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Lil69Leo posted...

Educate yourself please and stop using bullshit anecdotal evidence as proof.

educate myself on what? is it anecdotal that we keep offer free shelter, schooling, healthcare, food and entertainment to rapists, child molesters and murderers at the expense of their victims?