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Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 7:33:48 PM #202:	DyingPancake posted... Because earlier you were talking about a day when we wouldnt kill animals. Which is why I said humans will never stop eating meat or hunting. Trying to pick apart each thing I say makes it sound like you have nothing important to say. Just like when I used the word instant. You knew exactly what I was saying yet you harped on it for the literal meaning. Its bizzare and weakens your actual argument Socially the acceptability of killing and eating animals is likely to change, even within our lifetimes. That's what I was conveying. People will still eat those things and still hunt. If it's fewer then awesome! Things are trending year over year to more vegetarian lifestyles. Openly discussing becoming vegetarian/vegan helps this progression. Instant death is an immediate end of consciousness and ability to feel pain, fear, suffering, etc. I find the distinction important. However, I also deal with (unfortunately) dying or dead animals in my work. Quick and instant make a world of difference. Quick does beat slaughterhouses. It's just also not an instant death. Deal with enough animals suffering and you may find this distinction important as well. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895273973] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>Because earlier you were talking about a day when we wouldnt kill animals. Which is why I said humans will never stop eating meat or hunting. Trying to pick apart each thing I say makes it sound like you have nothing important to say. Just like when I used the word instant. You knew exactly what I was saying yet you harped on it for the literal meaning. Its bizzare and weakens your actual argument</quote> Socially the acceptability of killing and eating animals is likely to change, even within our lifetimes. That's what I was conveying. People will still eat those things and still hunt. If it's fewer then awesome! Things are trending year over year to more vegetarian lifestyles. Openly discussing becoming vegetarian/vegan helps this progression. Instant death is an immediate end of consciousness and ability to feel pain, fear, suffering, etc. I find the distinction important. However, I also deal with (unfortunately) dying or dead animals in my work. Quick and instant make a world of difference. Quick does beat slaughterhouses. It's just also not an instant death. Deal with enough animals suffering and you may find this distinction important as well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omega Hunter 02/01/18 8:03:10 PM #203:	The vast majority of health problems that seems to be caused by eating meat is actually caused by eating unhealthy animals raised on diets they were never meant to eat(see corn), pumped full of drugs, and living unnaturally restrictive and sedentary lives then fried up in oils that dont naturally occur in nature and having this unnatural meat make up too large a portion of your diet. Meat that is completely natural (100% grass fed beef, pasture raised chickens, wild caught fish) when eaten in sensible portions, and cooked in a healthy manner (not breaded and fried) is perfectly healthy for humans to consume and anyone that tells u otherwise is a moron. --- Living is naturally hell, you have to work to put a smile on. http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/7_ugmpjq.gif <cite>Omega Hunter posted [p:895275708] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>The vast majority of health problems that seems to be caused by eating meat is actually caused by eating unhealthy animals raised on diets they were never meant to eat(see corn), pumped full of drugs, and living unnaturally restrictive and sedentary lives then fried up in oils that dont naturally occur in nature and having this unnatural meat make up too large a portion of your diet. Meat that is completely natural (100% grass fed beef, pasture raised chickens, wild caught fish) when eaten in sensible portions, and cooked in a healthy manner (not breaded and fried) is perfectly healthy for humans to consume and anyone that tells u otherwise is a moron.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
discodancer77 02/01/18 8:18:43 PM #204:	Saying the world is never going to change/ it is what it is isnt a reason for you yourself not to make a change, thats a logical fallacy of futility. If the world as a whole isnt going to change, that doesnt mean there arent benefits to going vegan as an individual --- Playing: Kyuyyaku Megami Tensei Part 1 http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198797989609/wishlist/?sort=rank <cite>discodancer77 posted [p:895276595] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>Saying the world is never going to change/ it is what it is isnt a reason for you yourself not to make a change, thats a logical fallacy of futility. If the world as a whole isnt going to change, that doesnt mean there arent benefits to going vegan as an individual</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 8:22:36 PM #205:	Omega Hunter posted... The vast majority of health problems that seems to be caused by eating meat is actually caused by eating unhealthy animals raised on diets they were never meant to eat(see corn), pumped full of drugs, and living unnaturally restrictive and sedentary lives then fried up in oils that dont naturally occur in nature and having this unnatural meat make up too large a portion of your diet. Meat that is completely natural (100% grass fed beef, pasture raised chickens, wild caught fish) when eaten in sensible portions, and cooked in a healthy manner (not breaded and fried) is perfectly healthy for humans to consume and anyone that tells u otherwise is a moron. Let us assume this to be true that ethically traditionally raised animals are completely healthy: people need to eat substantially less animal products to allow that to be the norm. Using traditional grazing agriculture for livestock reduces potential production of meat and other products. The current demand is only met from factory farming. The current demand is too much for this planet and the creatures on it. There is simply not enough room to raise animals in these numbers in any healthy way. There are too many people alive to be eating meat with any regularity if we must raise animals in a natural way to keep it healthy. Too little land. Too few people in rural areas working in this practice. To many people in cities. 99%+ of what people are eating (in North America) is that horrible factory farmed stuff. Anything processed with animal products is that stuff. Traditional farming methods cannot produce anything close to the volume of the modern factory farming/dairy/egg industries. As more people concentrate into cities and no longer have their own land or raise their own animals, they leave the burden of this industry to fewer individuals. and there are not enough people working to properly raise and tend to animals (and not enough living in the area to do it well regardless). there must be far fewer animals bred and consumed. Or city dwellers need to move away and raise their own animals. Then there's still not enough pasture. We'd eventually have to sacrifice ariable land for livestock to graze on, cutting into other more efficient ways of feeding people. Ethically I disagree with killing an animal when it's not necessary or to end immediate suffering. And ultimately animals and their products are in no way required to have a healthy and varied diet for most humans alive. So for me I will abstain from all of it. Others may make their choice, as we all have been doing. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895276828] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>The vast majority of health problems that seems to be caused by eating meat is actually caused by eating unhealthy animals raised on diets they were never meant to eat(see corn), pumped full of drugs, and living unnaturally restrictive and sedentary lives then fried up in oils that dont naturally occur in nature and having this unnatural meat make up too large a portion of your diet. Meat that is completely natural (100% grass fed beef, pasture raised chickens, wild caught fish) when eaten in sensible portions, and cooked in a healthy manner (not breaded and fried) is perfectly healthy for humans to consume and anyone that tells u otherwise is a moron.</quote> Let us assume this to be true that ethically traditionally raised animals are completely healthy: people need to eat substantially less animal products to allow that to be the norm. Using traditional grazing agriculture for livestock reduces potential production of meat and other products. The current demand is only met from factory farming. The current demand is too much for this planet and the creatures on it. There is simply not enough room to raise animals in these numbers in any healthy way. There are too many people alive to be eating meat with any regularity if we must raise animals in a natural way to keep it healthy. Too little land. Too few people in rural areas working in this practice. To many people in cities. 99%+ of what people are eating (in North America) is that horrible factory farmed stuff. Anything processed with animal products is that stuff. Traditional farming methods cannot produce anything close to the volume of the modern factory farming/dairy/egg industries. As more people concentrate into cities and no longer have their own land or raise their own animals, they leave the burden of this industry to fewer individuals. and there are not enough people working to properly raise and tend to animals (and not enough living in the area to do it well regardless). there must be far fewer animals bred and consumed. Or city dwellers need to move away and raise their own animals. Then there's still not enough pasture. We'd eventually have to sacrifice ariable land for livestock to graze on, cutting into other more efficient ways of feeding people. Ethically I disagree with killing an animal when it's not necessary or to end immediate suffering. And ultimately animals and their products are in no way required to have a healthy and varied diet for most humans alive. So for me I will abstain from all of it. Others may make their choice, as we all have been doing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 8:23:44 PM #206:	discodancer77 posted... Saying the world is never going to change/ it is what it is isnt a reason for you yourself not to make a change, thats a logical fallacy of futility. If the world as a whole isnt going to change, that doesnt mean there arent benefits to going vegan as an individual The world will never change because people will never change because the world will never change because the people will never change because... Make a change and break the cycle get that shit rolling. That's how you gotta do life --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895276888] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>discodancer77 posted...</cite> <quote>Saying the world is never going to change/ it is what it is isnt a reason for you yourself not to make a change, thats a logical fallacy of futility. If the world as a whole isnt going to change, that doesnt mean there arent benefits to going vegan as an individual</quote> The world will never change because people will never change because the world will never change because the people will never change because... Make a change and break the cycle get that shit rolling. That's how you gotta do life</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omega Hunter 02/01/18 8:29:16 PM #207:	Doctor Foxx posted... Omega Hunter posted... The vast majority of health problems that seems to be caused by eating meat is actually caused by eating unhealthy animals raised on diets they were never meant to eat(see corn), pumped full of drugs, and living unnaturally restrictive and sedentary lives then fried up in oils that dont naturally occur in nature and having this unnatural meat make up too large a portion of your diet. Meat that is completely natural (100% grass fed beef, pasture raised chickens, wild caught fish) when eaten in sensible portions, and cooked in a healthy manner (not breaded and fried) is perfectly healthy for humans to consume and anyone that tells u otherwise is a moron. Let us assume this to be true that ethically traditionally raised animals are completely healthy: people need to eat substantially less animal products to allow that to be the norm. Using traditional grazing agriculture for livestock reduces potential production of meat and other products. The current demand is only met from factory farming. The current demand is too much for this planet and the creatures on it. There is simply not enough room to raise animals in these numbers in any healthy way. There are too many people alive to be eating meat with any regularity if we must raise animals in a natural way to keep it healthy. Too little land. Too few people in rural areas working in this practice. To many people in cities. 99%+ of what people are eating (in North America) is that horrible factory farmed stuff. Anything processed with animal products is that stuff. Traditional farming methods cannot produce anything close to the volume of the modern factory farming/dairy/egg industries. As more people concentrate into cities and no longer have their own land or raise their own animals, they leave the burden of this industry to fewer individuals. and there are not enough people working to properly raise and tend to animals (and not enough living in the area to do it well regardless). there must be far fewer animals bred and consumed. Or city dwellers need to move away and raise their own animals. Then there's still not enough pasture. We'd eventually have to sacrifice ariable land for livestock to graze on, cutting into other more efficient ways of feeding people. Ethically I disagree with killing an animal when it's not necessary or to end immediate suffering. And ultimately animals and their products are in no way required to have a healthy and varied diet for most humans alive. So for me I will abstain from all of it. Others may make their choice, as we all have been doing. None of this is wrong. Real healthy meat is expensive and probably not possible to meet the current populations demands. Me however i love meat and i am lucky enough to be able to spend $300 a week on groceries to have a steady stock of wild caught salmon, grass fed milk and steak, and pasture raised chicken and eggs, always cooked with extra virgin olive oil or grass fed butter/ghee. My heart is in excellent shape and my diet is delicious. --- Living is naturally hell, you have to work to put a smile on. http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/7_ugmpjq.gif <cite>Omega Hunter posted [p:895277232] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>The vast majority of health problems that seems to be caused by eating meat is actually caused by eating unhealthy animals raised on diets they were never meant to eat(see corn), pumped full of drugs, and living unnaturally restrictive and sedentary lives then fried up in oils that dont naturally occur in nature and having this unnatural meat make up too large a portion of your diet. Meat that is completely natural (100% grass fed beef, pasture raised chickens, wild caught fish) when eaten in sensible portions, and cooked in a healthy manner (not breaded and fried) is perfectly healthy for humans to consume and anyone that tells u otherwise is a moron.</quote> Let us assume this to be true that ethically traditionally raised animals are completely healthy: people need to eat substantially less animal products to allow that to be the norm. Using traditional grazing agriculture for livestock reduces potential production of meat and other products. The current demand is only met from factory farming. The current demand is too much for this planet and the creatures on it. There is simply not enough room to raise animals in these numbers in any healthy way. There are too many people alive to be eating meat with any regularity if we must raise animals in a natural way to keep it healthy. Too little land. Too few people in rural areas working in this practice. To many people in cities. 99%+ of what people are eating (in North America) is that horrible factory farmed stuff. Anything processed with animal products is that stuff. Traditional farming methods cannot produce anything close to the volume of the modern factory farming/dairy/egg industries. As more people concentrate into cities and no longer have their own land or raise their own animals, they leave the burden of this industry to fewer individuals. and there are not enough people working to properly raise and tend to animals (and not enough living in the area to do it well regardless). there must be far fewer animals bred and consumed. Or city dwellers need to move away and raise their own animals. Then there's still not enough pasture. We'd eventually have to sacrifice ariable land for livestock to graze on, cutting into other more efficient ways of feeding people. Ethically I disagree with killing an animal when it's not necessary or to end immediate suffering. And ultimately animals and their products are in no way required to have a healthy and varied diet for most humans alive. So for me I will abstain from all of it. Others may make their choice, as we all have been doing.</quote> None of this is wrong. Real healthy meat is expensive and probably not possible to meet the current populations demands. Me however i love meat and i am lucky enough to be able to spend $300 a week on groceries to have a steady stock of wild caught salmon, grass fed milk and steak, and pasture raised chicken and eggs, always cooked with extra virgin olive oil or grass fed butter/ghee. My heart is in excellent shape and my diet is delicious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 8:34:07 PM #208:	Omega Hunter posted... Doctor Foxx posted... Omega Hunter posted... The vast majority of health problems that seems to be caused by eating meat is actually caused by eating unhealthy animals raised on diets they were never meant to eat(see corn), pumped full of drugs, and living unnaturally restrictive and sedentary lives then fried up in oils that dont naturally occur in nature and having this unnatural meat make up too large a portion of your diet. Meat that is completely natural (100% grass fed beef, pasture raised chickens, wild caught fish) when eaten in sensible portions, and cooked in a healthy manner (not breaded and fried) is perfectly healthy for humans to consume and anyone that tells u otherwise is a moron. Let us assume this to be true that ethically traditionally raised animals are completely healthy: people need to eat substantially less animal products to allow that to be the norm. Using traditional grazing agriculture for livestock reduces potential production of meat and other products. The current demand is only met from factory farming. The current demand is too much for this planet and the creatures on it. There is simply not enough room to raise animals in these numbers in any healthy way. There are too many people alive to be eating meat with any regularity if we must raise animals in a natural way to keep it healthy. Too little land. Too few people in rural areas working in this practice. To many people in cities. 99%+ of what people are eating (in North America) is that horrible factory farmed stuff. Anything processed with animal products is that stuff. Traditional farming methods cannot produce anything close to the volume of the modern factory farming/dairy/egg industries. As more people concentrate into cities and no longer have their own land or raise their own animals, they leave the burden of this industry to fewer individuals. and there are not enough people working to properly raise and tend to animals (and not enough living in the area to do it well regardless). there must be far fewer animals bred and consumed. Or city dwellers need to move away and raise their own animals. Then there's still not enough pasture. We'd eventually have to sacrifice ariable land for livestock to graze on, cutting into other more efficient ways of feeding people. Ethically I disagree with killing an animal when it's not necessary or to end immediate suffering. And ultimately animals and their products are in no way required to have a healthy and varied diet for most humans alive. So for me I will abstain from all of it. Others may make their choice, as we all have been doing. None of this is wrong. Real healthy meat is expensive and probably not possible to meet the current populations demands. Me however i love meat and i am lucky enough to be able to spend $300 a week on groceries to have a steady stock of wild caught salmon, grass fed milk and steak, and pasture raised chicken and eggs, always cooked with extra virgin olive oil or grass fed butter/ghee. My heart is in excellent shape and my diet is delicious. Wow I'm glad I spend like 50 Canadian a week on real fresh produce and plant based things. I eat so well on that. I could do it cheap for 30 if not less. If I lived in a city and had better stores oh wow. Sounds like you enjoy what you have so that's good. Me I just don't enjoy it enough that I feel it justifies the admission price of a life. Meat just isn't appealing for me any more. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895277508] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>The vast majority of health problems that seems to be caused by eating meat is actually caused by eating unhealthy animals raised on diets they were never meant to eat(see corn), pumped full of drugs, and living unnaturally restrictive and sedentary lives then fried up in oils that dont naturally occur in nature and having this unnatural meat make up too large a portion of your diet. Meat that is completely natural (100% grass fed beef, pasture raised chickens, wild caught fish) when eaten in sensible portions, and cooked in a healthy manner (not breaded and fried) is perfectly healthy for humans to consume and anyone that tells u otherwise is a moron.</quote> Let us assume this to be true that ethically traditionally raised animals are completely healthy: people need to eat substantially less animal products to allow that to be the norm. Using traditional grazing agriculture for livestock reduces potential production of meat and other products. The current demand is only met from factory farming. The current demand is too much for this planet and the creatures on it. There is simply not enough room to raise animals in these numbers in any healthy way. There are too many people alive to be eating meat with any regularity if we must raise animals in a natural way to keep it healthy. Too little land. Too few people in rural areas working in this practice. To many people in cities. 99%+ of what people are eating (in North America) is that horrible factory farmed stuff. Anything processed with animal products is that stuff. Traditional farming methods cannot produce anything close to the volume of the modern factory farming/dairy/egg industries. As more people concentrate into cities and no longer have their own land or raise their own animals, they leave the burden of this industry to fewer individuals. and there are not enough people working to properly raise and tend to animals (and not enough living in the area to do it well regardless). there must be far fewer animals bred and consumed. Or city dwellers need to move away and raise their own animals. Then there's still not enough pasture. We'd eventually have to sacrifice ariable land for livestock to graze on, cutting into other more efficient ways of feeding people. Ethically I disagree with killing an animal when it's not necessary or to end immediate suffering. And ultimately animals and their products are in no way required to have a healthy and varied diet for most humans alive. So for me I will abstain from all of it. Others may make their choice, as we all have been doing.</quote> None of this is wrong. Real healthy meat is expensive and probably not possible to meet the current populations demands. Me however i love meat and i am lucky enough to be able to spend $300 a week on groceries to have a steady stock of wild caught salmon, grass fed milk and steak, and pasture raised chicken and eggs, always cooked with extra virgin olive oil or grass fed butter/ghee. My heart is in excellent shape and my diet is delicious.</quote> Wow I'm glad I spend like 50 Canadian a week on real fresh produce and plant based things. I eat so well on that. I could do it cheap for 30 if not less. If I lived in a city and had better stores oh wow. Sounds like you enjoy what you have so that's good. Me I just don't enjoy it enough that I feel it justifies the admission price of a life. Meat just isn't appealing for me any more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DyingPancake 02/01/18 8:44:29 PM #209:	Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... Because earlier you were talking about a day when we wouldnt kill animals. Which is why I said humans will never stop eating meat or hunting. Trying to pick apart each thing I say makes it sound like you have nothing important to say. Just like when I used the word instant. You knew exactly what I was saying yet you harped on it for the literal meaning. Its bizzare and weakens your actual argument Socially the acceptability of killing and eating animals is likely to change, even within our lifetimes. That's what I was conveying. People will still eat those things and still hunt. If it's fewer then awesome! Things are trending year over year to more vegetarian lifestyles. Openly discussing becoming vegetarian/vegan helps this progression. Instant death is an immediate end of consciousness and ability to feel pain, fear, suffering, etc. I find the distinction important. However, I also deal with (unfortunately) dying or dead animals in my work. Quick and instant make a world of difference. Quick does beat slaughterhouses. It's just also not an instant death. Deal with enough animals suffering and you may find this distinction important as well. You cant jump on my phrasing of words if youre also not going to be 100% clear. You phrased it in a way for all killing to stop. My response was a natural answer to that And you have no clue the kinds of things Ive seen with animals in pain so I clearly know the distinction, but lets be real here. The is a gaming message board. Things are typed at a fast pace. You knew exactly what I was saying and you were arguing just to argue --- Under a cold October sky, I wait I had ice cream with chill02! <cite>DyingPancake posted [p:895278141] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>Because earlier you were talking about a day when we wouldnt kill animals. Which is why I said humans will never stop eating meat or hunting. Trying to pick apart each thing I say makes it sound like you have nothing important to say. Just like when I used the word instant. You knew exactly what I was saying yet you harped on it for the literal meaning. Its bizzare and weakens your actual argument</quote> Socially the acceptability of killing and eating animals is likely to change, even within our lifetimes. That's what I was conveying. People will still eat those things and still hunt. If it's fewer then awesome! Things are trending year over year to more vegetarian lifestyles. Openly discussing becoming vegetarian/vegan helps this progression. Instant death is an immediate end of consciousness and ability to feel pain, fear, suffering, etc. I find the distinction important. However, I also deal with (unfortunately) dying or dead animals in my work. Quick and instant make a world of difference. Quick does beat slaughterhouses. It's just also not an instant death. Deal with enough animals suffering and you may find this distinction important as well. </quote> You cant jump on my phrasing of words if youre also not going to be 100% clear. You phrased it in a way for all killing to stop. My response was a natural answer to that And you have no clue the kinds of things Ive seen with animals in pain so I clearly know the distinction, but lets be real here. The is a gaming message board. Things are typed at a fast pace. You knew exactly what I was saying and you were arguing just to argue</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 8:57:32 PM #210:	DyingPancake posted... Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... Because earlier you were talking about a day when we wouldnt kill animals. Which is why I said humans will never stop eating meat or hunting. Trying to pick apart each thing I say makes it sound like you have nothing important to say. Just like when I used the word instant. You knew exactly what I was saying yet you harped on it for the literal meaning. Its bizzare and weakens your actual argument Socially the acceptability of killing and eating animals is likely to change, even within our lifetimes. That's what I was conveying. People will still eat those things and still hunt. If it's fewer then awesome! Things are trending year over year to more vegetarian lifestyles. Openly discussing becoming vegetarian/vegan helps this progression. Instant death is an immediate end of consciousness and ability to feel pain, fear, suffering, etc. I find the distinction important. However, I also deal with (unfortunately) dying or dead animals in my work. Quick and instant make a world of difference. Quick does beat slaughterhouses. It's just also not an instant death. Deal with enough animals suffering and you may find this distinction important as well. You cant jump on my phrasing of words if youre also not going to be 100% clear. You phrased it in a way for all killing to stop. My response was a natural answer to that And you have no clue the kinds of things Ive seen with animals in pain so I clearly know the distinction, but lets be real here. The is a gaming message board. Things are typed at a fast pace. You knew exactly what I was saying and you were arguing just to argue Friendo I don't think humans will completely stop killing humans or nonhuman animals. I didn't suggest that. I would like that very much. But I do think killing being the norm and acceptable can and will change. What I said about killing was this: The point others are making is there no humane killing. That's an oxymoron. A more humane way to reach an inhumane end. It seems that you came in here to start it with vegans... --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895278949] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>Because earlier you were talking about a day when we wouldnt kill animals. Which is why I said humans will never stop eating meat or hunting. Trying to pick apart each thing I say makes it sound like you have nothing important to say. Just like when I used the word instant. You knew exactly what I was saying yet you harped on it for the literal meaning. Its bizzare and weakens your actual argument</quote> Socially the acceptability of killing and eating animals is likely to change, even within our lifetimes. That's what I was conveying. People will still eat those things and still hunt. If it's fewer then awesome! Things are trending year over year to more vegetarian lifestyles. Openly discussing becoming vegetarian/vegan helps this progression. Instant death is an immediate end of consciousness and ability to feel pain, fear, suffering, etc. I find the distinction important. However, I also deal with (unfortunately) dying or dead animals in my work. Quick and instant make a world of difference. Quick does beat slaughterhouses. It's just also not an instant death. Deal with enough animals suffering and you may find this distinction important as well. </quote> You cant jump on my phrasing of words if youre also not going to be 100% clear. You phrased it in a way for all killing to stop. My response was a natural answer to that And you have no clue the kinds of things Ive seen with animals in pain so I clearly know the distinction, but lets be real here. The is a gaming message board. Things are typed at a fast pace. You knew exactly what I was saying and you were arguing just to argue</quote> Friendo I don't think humans will completely stop killing humans or nonhuman animals. I didn't suggest that. I would like that very much. But I do think killing being the norm and acceptable can and will change. What I said about killing was this: <quote>The point others are making is there no humane killing. That's an oxymoron. A more humane way to reach an inhumane end. </quote> It seems that you came in here to start it with vegans... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DyingPancake 02/01/18 9:08:10 PM #211:	Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... Because earlier you were talking about a day when we wouldnt kill animals. Which is why I said humans will never stop eating meat or hunting. Trying to pick apart each thing I say makes it sound like you have nothing important to say. Just like when I used the word instant. You knew exactly what I was saying yet you harped on it for the literal meaning. Its bizzare and weakens your actual argument Socially the acceptability of killing and eating animals is likely to change, even within our lifetimes. That's what I was conveying. People will still eat those things and still hunt. If it's fewer then awesome! Things are trending year over year to more vegetarian lifestyles. Openly discussing becoming vegetarian/vegan helps this progression. Instant death is an immediate end of consciousness and ability to feel pain, fear, suffering, etc. I find the distinction important. However, I also deal with (unfortunately) dying or dead animals in my work. Quick and instant make a world of difference. Quick does beat slaughterhouses. It's just also not an instant death. Deal with enough animals suffering and you may find this distinction important as well. You cant jump on my phrasing of words if youre also not going to be 100% clear. You phrased it in a way for all killing to stop. My response was a natural answer to that And you have no clue the kinds of things Ive seen with animals in pain so I clearly know the distinction, but lets be real here. The is a gaming message board. Things are typed at a fast pace. You knew exactly what I was saying and you were arguing just to argue Friendo I don't think humans will completely stop killing humans or nonhuman animals. I didn't suggest that. I would like that very much. But I do think killing being the norm and acceptable can and will change. What I said about killing was this: The point others are making is there no humane killing. That's an oxymoron. A more humane way to reach an inhumane end. It seems that you came in here to start it with vegans... Right... Millennials was the first person to respond to me and even though we didnt talk long he seemed to be a pretty collective guy who actually wanted to discuss something Then you asked the condescending question do I even hunt and took the word instant at its most literal meaning. You wanted to argue just to argue. Nothing you originally said added anything to the previous conversation. I though you had a problem with that kind of stuff. You sure spent enough time telling me you did --- Under a cold October sky, I wait I had ice cream with chill02! <cite>DyingPancake posted [p:895279598] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>Because earlier you were talking about a day when we wouldnt kill animals. Which is why I said humans will never stop eating meat or hunting. Trying to pick apart each thing I say makes it sound like you have nothing important to say. Just like when I used the word instant. You knew exactly what I was saying yet you harped on it for the literal meaning. Its bizzare and weakens your actual argument</quote> Socially the acceptability of killing and eating animals is likely to change, even within our lifetimes. That's what I was conveying. People will still eat those things and still hunt. If it's fewer then awesome! Things are trending year over year to more vegetarian lifestyles. Openly discussing becoming vegetarian/vegan helps this progression. Instant death is an immediate end of consciousness and ability to feel pain, fear, suffering, etc. I find the distinction important. However, I also deal with (unfortunately) dying or dead animals in my work. Quick and instant make a world of difference. Quick does beat slaughterhouses. It's just also not an instant death. Deal with enough animals suffering and you may find this distinction important as well. </quote> You cant jump on my phrasing of words if youre also not going to be 100% clear. You phrased it in a way for all killing to stop. My response was a natural answer to that And you have no clue the kinds of things Ive seen with animals in pain so I clearly know the distinction, but lets be real here. The is a gaming message board. Things are typed at a fast pace. You knew exactly what I was saying and you were arguing just to argue</quote> Friendo I don't think humans will completely stop killing humans or nonhuman animals. I didn't suggest that. I would like that very much. But I do think killing being the norm and acceptable can and will change. What I said about killing was this: <quote>The point others are making is there no humane killing. That's an oxymoron. A more humane way to reach an inhumane end. </quote> It seems that you came in here to start it with vegans... </quote> Right... Millennials was the first person to respond to me and even though we didnt talk long he seemed to be a pretty collective guy who actually wanted to discuss something Then you asked the condescending question do I even hunt and took the word instant at its most literal meaning. You wanted to argue just to argue. Nothing you originally said added anything to the previous conversation. I though you had a problem with that kind of stuff. You sure spent enough time telling me you did</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 9:10:22 PM #212:	DyingPancake posted... Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... Because earlier you were talking about a day when we wouldnt kill animals. Which is why I said humans will never stop eating meat or hunting. Trying to pick apart each thing I say makes it sound like you have nothing important to say. Just like when I used the word instant. You knew exactly what I was saying yet you harped on it for the literal meaning. Its bizzare and weakens your actual argument Socially the acceptability of killing and eating animals is likely to change, even within our lifetimes. That's what I was conveying. People will still eat those things and still hunt. If it's fewer then awesome! Things are trending year over year to more vegetarian lifestyles. Openly discussing becoming vegetarian/vegan helps this progression. Instant death is an immediate end of consciousness and ability to feel pain, fear, suffering, etc. I find the distinction important. However, I also deal with (unfortunately) dying or dead animals in my work. Quick and instant make a world of difference. Quick does beat slaughterhouses. It's just also not an instant death. Deal with enough animals suffering and you may find this distinction important as well. You cant jump on my phrasing of words if youre also not going to be 100% clear. You phrased it in a way for all killing to stop. My response was a natural answer to that And you have no clue the kinds of things Ive seen with animals in pain so I clearly know the distinction, but lets be real here. The is a gaming message board. Things are typed at a fast pace. You knew exactly what I was saying and you were arguing just to argue Friendo I don't think humans will completely stop killing humans or nonhuman animals. I didn't suggest that. I would like that very much. But I do think killing being the norm and acceptable can and will change. What I said about killing was this: The point others are making is there no humane killing. That's an oxymoron. A more humane way to reach an inhumane end. It seems that you came in here to start it with vegans... Right... Millennials was the first person to respond to me and even though we didnt talk long he seemed to be a pretty collective guy who actually wanted to discuss something Then you asked the condescending question do I even hunt and took the word instant at its most literal meaning. You wanted to argue just to argue. Nothing you originally said added anything to the previous conversation. Something you also seemed to have a problem with Buddy you keep replying to me to start shit, please tell me how I like to argue --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895279723] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>Because earlier you were talking about a day when we wouldnt kill animals. Which is why I said humans will never stop eating meat or hunting. Trying to pick apart each thing I say makes it sound like you have nothing important to say. Just like when I used the word instant. You knew exactly what I was saying yet you harped on it for the literal meaning. Its bizzare and weakens your actual argument</quote> Socially the acceptability of killing and eating animals is likely to change, even within our lifetimes. That's what I was conveying. People will still eat those things and still hunt. If it's fewer then awesome! Things are trending year over year to more vegetarian lifestyles. Openly discussing becoming vegetarian/vegan helps this progression. Instant death is an immediate end of consciousness and ability to feel pain, fear, suffering, etc. I find the distinction important. However, I also deal with (unfortunately) dying or dead animals in my work. Quick and instant make a world of difference. Quick does beat slaughterhouses. It's just also not an instant death. Deal with enough animals suffering and you may find this distinction important as well. </quote> You cant jump on my phrasing of words if youre also not going to be 100% clear. You phrased it in a way for all killing to stop. My response was a natural answer to that And you have no clue the kinds of things Ive seen with animals in pain so I clearly know the distinction, but lets be real here. The is a gaming message board. Things are typed at a fast pace. You knew exactly what I was saying and you were arguing just to argue</quote> Friendo I don't think humans will completely stop killing humans or nonhuman animals. I didn't suggest that. I would like that very much. But I do think killing being the norm and acceptable can and will change. What I said about killing was this: <quote>The point others are making is there no humane killing. That's an oxymoron. A more humane way to reach an inhumane end. </quote> It seems that you came in here to start it with vegans... </quote> Right... Millennials was the first person to respond to me and even though we didnt talk long he seemed to be a pretty collective guy who actually wanted to discuss something Then you asked the condescending question do I even hunt and took the word instant at its most literal meaning. You wanted to argue just to argue. Nothing you originally said added anything to the previous conversation. Something you also seemed to have a problem with</quote> Buddy you keep replying to me to start shit, please tell me how I like to argue </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DyingPancake 02/01/18 9:28:17 PM #213:	So I was right I mean I already knew that but its nice that you recognize it --- Under a cold October sky, I wait I had ice cream with chill02! <cite>DyingPancake posted [p:895280763] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>So I was right I mean I already knew that but its nice that you recognize it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 9:37:02 PM #214:	DyingPancake posted... So I was right I mean I already knew that but its nice that you recognize it You came into a clearly titled vegan topic to talk and shift discussion on you and how you love meat and will not stop eating it. First of all, rude. Second, total topic derailment. Yet everyone has been nice here. You continue keep focusing on minor things and trying to drive discussion backwards. Your intentions entering this topic haven't changed. If that's not intending to start shit and argue what is? Have fun eating meat --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895281249] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>So I was right I mean I already knew that but its nice that you recognize it</quote> You came into a clearly titled vegan topic to talk and shift discussion on you and how you love meat and will not stop eating it. First of all, rude. Second, total topic derailment. Yet everyone has been nice here. You continue keep focusing on minor things and trying to drive discussion backwards. Your intentions entering this topic haven't changed. If that's not intending to start shit and argue what is? Have fun eating meat</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DyingPancake 02/01/18 9:42:39 PM #215:	Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... So I was right I mean I already knew that but its nice that you recognize it You came into a clearly titled vegan topic to talk and shift discussion on you and how you love meat and will not stop eating it. First of all, rude. Second, total topic derailment. Yet everyone has been nice here. You continue keep focusing on minor things and trying to drive discussion backwards. Your intentions entering this topic haven't changed. If that's not intending to start shit and argue what is? Have fun eating meat Topic is whos vegan not vegans only so topic was open for discussion from anyone Youre the one who literally responded to my message to start an argument by picking apart something you clearly knew the meaning of which in turn derailed the original conversation. Dat hypocrisy Oh I will, that goes without saying --- Under a cold October sky, I wait I had ice cream with chill02! <cite>DyingPancake posted [p:895281570] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>So I was right I mean I already knew that but its nice that you recognize it</quote> You came into a clearly titled vegan topic to talk and shift discussion on you and how you love meat and will not stop eating it. First of all, rude. Second, total topic derailment. Yet everyone has been nice here. You continue keep focusing on minor things and trying to drive discussion backwards. Your intentions entering this topic haven't changed. If that's not intending to start shit and argue what is? Have fun eating meat</quote> Topic is whos vegan not vegans only so topic was open for discussion from anyone Youre the one who literally responded to my message to start an argument by picking apart something you clearly knew the meaning of which in turn derailed the original conversation. Dat hypocrisy Oh I will, that goes without saying</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 02/01/18 9:53:41 PM #216:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... Yeah it's quite the thing that I see about 10x more people complaining about pushy vegans than I see pushy vegans You make a good point. But to be fair, it might be mostly true because of the population imbalance. There are very few vegans in the world. Vegetariantimes.com claims there is less than one percent of US adults, for example, who are vegan. If vegans were half or more of our family, friends and neighbors... I seriously doubt they'd be quiet about their disdain for meat eaters. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:895282253] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah it's quite the thing that I see about 10x more people complaining about pushy vegans than I see pushy vegans</quote> You make a good point. But to be fair, it might be mostly true because of the population imbalance. There are very few vegans in the world. Vegetariantimes.com claims there is less than one percent of US adults, for example, who are vegan. If vegans were half or more of our family, friends and neighbors... I seriously doubt they'd be quiet about their disdain for meat eaters.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InYourWalls1 02/02/18 12:02:51 AM #217:	Doctor Foxx posted... Yesterday he was texting me asking for seitan recipes! I was shocked. I'm kind of proud of him for trying to eat less meat. He recently battled cancer. I showed him studies about plant protein and cancer compared to animal protein and cancer but never was pushy. He seems to want to really cut back on meat and dairy, so I am really happy for him. Now I am curating my best seitan recipes for him to try making it. Anyone else that's vegetarian/vegan have veg family members? Oh wow, good on him. I wish my family was that open minded lol. My mom is a bit more stubborn and not as open to eating what I make. I think part of it might he a cultural thing. I'd also be pretty interested in seeing some of those recipes if you don't mind sharing. I made seitan once for an imitation fried chicken and it turned out nicely, I feel like there's probably a lot of cool stuff you can do with it. --- The fully enlightened earth radiates disaster triumphant <cite>InYourWalls1 posted [p:895289287] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>Yesterday he was texting me asking for seitan recipes! I was shocked. I'm kind of proud of him for trying to eat less meat. He recently battled cancer. I showed him studies about plant protein and cancer compared to animal protein and cancer but never was pushy. He seems to want to really cut back on meat and dairy, so I am really happy for him. Now I am curating my best seitan recipes for him to try making it. Anyone else that's vegetarian/vegan have veg family members?</quote> Oh wow, good on him. I wish my family was that open minded lol. My mom is a bit more stubborn and not as open to eating what I make. I think part of it might he a cultural thing. I'd also be pretty interested in seeing some of those recipes if you don't mind sharing. I made seitan once for an imitation fried chicken and it turned out nicely, I feel like there's probably a lot of cool stuff you can do with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/02/18 12:30:16 AM #218:	InYourWalls1 posted... Doctor Foxx posted... Yesterday he was texting me asking for seitan recipes! I was shocked. I'm kind of proud of him for trying to eat less meat. He recently battled cancer. I showed him studies about plant protein and cancer compared to animal protein and cancer but never was pushy. He seems to want to really cut back on meat and dairy, so I am really happy for him. Now I am curating my best seitan recipes for him to try making it. Anyone else that's vegetarian/vegan have veg family members? Oh wow, good on him. I wish my family was that open minded lol. My mom is a bit more stubborn and not as open to eating what I make. I think part of it might he a cultural thing. I'd also be pretty interested in seeing some of those recipes if you don't mind sharing. I made seitan once for an imitation fried chicken and it turned out nicely, I feel like there's probably a lot of cool stuff you can do with it. http://www.thatwasvegan.com/2012/01/30/my-favorite-chicken-style-seitan-recipe/ I like that recipe with oat flour instead of chickpea flour (just ground rolled oats). And I like a little less nutritional yeast with a splash of apple cider vinegar in the dough. Otherwise that's a good recipe with pictures and ratios for VWG, flour, spices, and liquids. Time and method work well, I steam in my pressure cooker personally. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895290449] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>InYourWalls1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>Yesterday he was texting me asking for seitan recipes! I was shocked. I'm kind of proud of him for trying to eat less meat. He recently battled cancer. I showed him studies about plant protein and cancer compared to animal protein and cancer but never was pushy. He seems to want to really cut back on meat and dairy, so I am really happy for him. Now I am curating my best seitan recipes for him to try making it. Anyone else that's vegetarian/vegan have veg family members?</quote> Oh wow, good on him. I wish my family was that open minded lol. My mom is a bit more stubborn and not as open to eating what I make. I think part of it might he a cultural thing. I'd also be pretty interested in seeing some of those recipes if you don't mind sharing. I made seitan once for an imitation fried chicken and it turned out nicely, I feel like there's probably a lot of cool stuff you can do with it.</quote> http://www.thatwasvegan.com/2012/01/30/my-favorite-chicken-style-seitan-recipe/ I like that recipe with oat flour instead of chickpea flour (just ground rolled oats). And I like a little less nutritional yeast with a splash of apple cider vinegar in the dough. Otherwise that's a good recipe with pictures and ratios for VWG, flour, spices, and liquids. Time and method work well, I steam in my pressure cooker personally.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krojen 02/02/18 12:40:05 AM #219:	Omega Hunter posted... The vast majority of health problems that seems to be caused by eating meat is actually caused by eating unhealthy animals raised on diets they were never meant to eat(see corn), pumped full of drugs, and living unnaturally restrictive and sedentary lives then fried up in oils that dont naturally occur in nature and having this unnatural meat make up too large a portion of your diet. Meat that is completely natural (100% grass fed beef, pasture raised chickens, wild caught fish) when eaten in sensible portions, and cooked in a healthy manner (not breaded and fried) is perfectly healthy for humans to consume and anyone that tells u otherwise is a moron. I'm not sure a higher omega 3 count, less hormonal funny business, and a little less saturated fat/cholesterol is enough to make it "healthy." Even if you're on the sat fat/cholesterol is actually heart healthy train, heme iron is still a likely carcinigen. Meat of any kind promotes hostile bacteria strains in your gut microbiome that lead to increased inflammation markers and greater risk of cancer. If I'm missing something, I'm interested in hearing it, though. --- http://i.imgur.com/hI4hAMb.jpg <cite>Krojen posted [p:895290851] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>The vast majority of health problems that seems to be caused by eating meat is actually caused by eating unhealthy animals raised on diets they were never meant to eat(see corn), pumped full of drugs, and living unnaturally restrictive and sedentary lives then fried up in oils that dont naturally occur in nature and having this unnatural meat make up too large a portion of your diet. Meat that is completely natural (100% grass fed beef, pasture raised chickens, wild caught fish) when eaten in sensible portions, and cooked in a healthy manner (not breaded and fried) is perfectly healthy for humans to consume and anyone that tells u otherwise is a moron.</quote> I'm not sure a higher omega 3 count, less hormonal funny business, and a little less saturated fat/cholesterol is enough to make it "healthy." Even if you're on the sat fat/cholesterol is actually heart healthy train, heme iron is still a likely carcinigen. Meat of any kind promotes hostile bacteria strains in your gut microbiome that lead to increased inflammation markers and greater risk of cancer. If I'm missing something, I'm interested in hearing it, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gbpxl 02/02/18 9:25:30 AM #221:	You guys should watch the film What the Health. It is on Netflix (last I looked at least) It said that the American Heart Association, American Cancer Society, similar organizations are largely funded by the meat and dairy industry. meat and dairy isn't required to live a healthy lifestyle as evidenced by all the vegan bodybuilders and professional athletes out there. in the same film, a woman who could barely walk and was largely dependent on meds, went vegan and was able to walk without a walker after 2 weeks, and no longer needed meds. <cite>gbpxl posted [p:895305439] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>You guys should watch the film What the Health. It is on Netflix (last I looked at least) It said that the American Heart Association, American Cancer Society, similar organizations are largely funded by the meat and dairy industry. meat and dairy isn't required to live a healthy lifestyle as evidenced by all the vegan bodybuilders and professional athletes out there. in the same film, a woman who could barely walk and was largely dependent on meds, went vegan and was able to walk without a walker after 2 weeks, and no longer needed meds.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ALIEN_WORK2HOP 02/02/18 9:30:30 AM #222:	gbpxl posted... You guys should watch the film What the Health. my vegan gf made me watch this. while a lot of it is probably bs when properly fact checked, it did leave a lasting impression as far as how bad the average meat products are for your health and the nasty conditions in the slaughterhouses. Something about puss being in milk and tumors being thrown in with meat products. That kinda left a nasty taste in my mouth and made me cut back out meat a lot. It really wasn't a problem either, I love sports and consider myself healthy and athletic and I don't want to fuel my body with junk. --- * * * * - Die Nummer 1 der Welt sind wir. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. <cite>ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted [p:895305662] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>You guys should watch the film What the Health.</quote> my vegan gf made me watch this. while a lot of it is probably bs when properly fact checked, it did leave a lasting impression as far as how bad the average meat products are for your health and the nasty conditions in the slaughterhouses. Something about puss being in milk and tumors being thrown in with meat products. That kinda left a nasty taste in my mouth and made me cut back out meat a lot. It really wasn't a problem either, I love sports and consider myself healthy and athletic and I don't want to fuel my body with junk.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 02/02/18 9:33:13 AM #223:	my vegan gf made me watch this. while a lot of it is probably bs when properly fact checked, it did leave a lasting impression as far as how bad the average meat products are for your health and the nasty conditions in the slaughterhouses. Something about puss being in milk and tumors being thrown in with meat products. That kinda left a nasty taste in my mouth and made me cut back out meat a lot. It really wasn't a problem either, I love sports and consider myself healthy and athletic and I don't want to fuel my body with junk. Is that just speculation or did you find something that debunks the alleged BS? <cite>gbpxl posted [p:895305776] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><quote>my vegan gf made me watch this. while a lot of it is probably bs when properly fact checked, it did leave a lasting impression as far as how bad the average meat products are for your health and the nasty conditions in the slaughterhouses. Something about puss being in milk and tumors being thrown in with meat products. That kinda left a nasty taste in my mouth and made me cut back out meat a lot. It really wasn't a problem either, I love sports and consider myself healthy and athletic and I don't want to fuel my body with junk.</quote> Is that just speculation or did you find something that debunks the alleged BS?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/02/18 9:34:59 AM #224:	Asherlee10 posted... Doctor Foxx posted... It's very cool and probably the future of meat eating! But it still requires animals and painful tissue biopsies (as well as fetal tissue iirc) at this time. It would be great if this progresses soon. Unfortunately the health risks associated with meat consumption will still largely be there. I think it will greatly reduced the dioxins in meat which is beneficial. It's going to take time to get there. Actually they can culture meat with embryonic stem cells. Further, only some meats and how they are processed makes them unhealthy. Many meats are part of a well balanced diet. I don't really give a fuck what other people are eating, but don't try to spread misinformation. ? All right but it requires the slaughter of animals still. That's my point. It's not as unethical but still only possible through cruelty at this time. I'm not gonna get on board before this shit is separated from actually killing animals. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2017/07/why_is_fetal_cow_blood_used_to_grow_fake_meat.html Saturated fats and cholesterol aren't healthy either. Regardless of types of meat you do have cholesterol in there. Further, it seems no red meat is healthy for you. So that leaves poultry and fish. And yet research seems to allow that getting your protein from plants rather than these sources is healthier overall. So I just personally don't see a point to it any longer. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895305851] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>It's very cool and probably the future of meat eating! But it still requires animals and painful tissue biopsies (as well as fetal tissue iirc) at this time. It would be great if this progresses soon. Unfortunately the health risks associated with meat consumption will still largely be there. I think it will greatly reduced the dioxins in meat which is beneficial. It's going to take time to get there. </quote> Actually they can culture meat with embryonic stem cells. Further, only some meats and how they are processed makes them unhealthy. Many meats are part of a well balanced diet. I don't really give a fuck what other people are eating, but don't try to spread misinformation.</quote> ? All right but it requires the slaughter of animals still. That's my point. It's not as unethical but still only possible through cruelty at this time. I'm not gonna get on board before this shit is separated from actually killing animals. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2017/07/why_is_fetal_cow_blood_used_to_grow_fake_meat.html Saturated fats and cholesterol aren't healthy either. Regardless of types of meat you do have cholesterol in there. Further, it seems no red meat is healthy for you. So that leaves poultry and fish. And yet research seems to allow that getting your protein from plants rather than these sources is healthier overall. So I just personally don't see a point to it any longer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ALIEN_WORK2HOP 02/02/18 9:39:56 AM #226:	gbpxl posted... my vegan gf made me watch this. while a lot of it is probably bs when properly fact checked, it did leave a lasting impression as far as how bad the average meat products are for your health and the nasty conditions in the slaughterhouses. Something about puss being in milk and tumors being thrown in with meat products. That kinda left a nasty taste in my mouth and made me cut back out meat a lot. It really wasn't a problem either, I love sports and consider myself healthy and athletic and I don't want to fuel my body with junk. Is that just speculation or did you find something that debunks the alleged BS? na just speculation. I'm always a bit skeptical of documentaries like this...I remember them saying eating an egg is as bad for you as smoking a cig or something iirc. When I hear stuff like that, alarm bells kinda go off in my head. --- * * * * - Die Nummer 1 der Welt sind wir. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. <cite>ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted [p:895306047] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><quote>my vegan gf made me watch this. while a lot of it is probably bs when properly fact checked, it did leave a lasting impression as far as how bad the average meat products are for your health and the nasty conditions in the slaughterhouses. Something about puss being in milk and tumors being thrown in with meat products. That kinda left a nasty taste in my mouth and made me cut back out meat a lot. It really wasn't a problem either, I love sports and consider myself healthy and athletic and I don't want to fuel my body with junk.</quote> Is that just speculation or did you find something that debunks the alleged BS?</quote> na just speculation. I'm always a bit skeptical of documentaries like this...I remember them saying eating an egg is as bad for you as smoking a cig or something iirc. When I hear stuff like that, alarm bells kinda go off in my head.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 02/02/18 9:52:16 AM #227:	ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted... gbpxl posted... my vegan gf made me watch this. while a lot of it is probably bs when properly fact checked, it did leave a lasting impression as far as how bad the average meat products are for your health and the nasty conditions in the slaughterhouses. Something about puss being in milk and tumors being thrown in with meat products. That kinda left a nasty taste in my mouth and made me cut back out meat a lot. It really wasn't a problem either, I love sports and consider myself healthy and athletic and I don't want to fuel my body with junk. Is that just speculation or did you find something that debunks the alleged BS? na just speculation. I'm always a bit skeptical of documentaries like this...I remember them saying eating an egg is as bad for you as smoking a cig or something iirc. When I hear stuff like that, alarm bells kinda go off in my head. I agree with you. one cigarette is way worse for you than eating an egg. <cite>gbpxl posted [p:895306586] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><quote>my vegan gf made me watch this. while a lot of it is probably bs when properly fact checked, it did leave a lasting impression as far as how bad the average meat products are for your health and the nasty conditions in the slaughterhouses. Something about puss being in milk and tumors being thrown in with meat products. That kinda left a nasty taste in my mouth and made me cut back out meat a lot. It really wasn't a problem either, I love sports and consider myself healthy and athletic and I don't want to fuel my body with junk.</quote> Is that just speculation or did you find something that debunks the alleged BS?</quote> na just speculation. I'm always a bit skeptical of documentaries like this...I remember them saying eating an egg is as bad for you as smoking a cig or something iirc. When I hear stuff like that, alarm bells kinda go off in my head.</quote> I agree with you. one cigarette is way worse for you than eating an egg.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/02/18 9:55:50 AM #228:	gbpxl posted... You guys should watch the film What the Health. It is on Netflix (last I looked at least) It said that the American Heart Association, American Cancer Society, similar organizations are largely funded by the meat and dairy industry. meat and dairy isn't required to live a healthy lifestyle as evidenced by all the vegan bodybuilders and professional athletes out there. in the same film, a woman who could barely walk and was largely dependent on meds, went vegan and was able to walk without a walker after 2 weeks, and no longer needed meds. The best part about that film had to do with the economic and environmental aspects of meat, corruption in food industries, shadiness of some of the big medical names, and following the money trail. The vegan healing stuff seems hokey and fake. I did a lot of research and I don't think it's totally out to lunch now. My doctor told me they do prescribe plant based diets to reverse coronary artery disease. How effective this is relies entirely on how compliant the patient is in their diet and keeping animal products of all kinds out of it. People that stick with it can actually get off of some medication that is otherwise required for life (statins). It's very interesting. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895306760] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>You guys should watch the film What the Health. It is on Netflix (last I looked at least) It said that the American Heart Association, American Cancer Society, similar organizations are largely funded by the meat and dairy industry. meat and dairy isn't required to live a healthy lifestyle as evidenced by all the vegan bodybuilders and professional athletes out there. in the same film, a woman who could barely walk and was largely dependent on meds, went vegan and was able to walk without a walker after 2 weeks, and no longer needed meds.</quote> The best part about that film had to do with the economic and environmental aspects of meat, corruption in food industries, shadiness of some of the big medical names, and following the money trail. The vegan healing stuff seems hokey and fake. I did a lot of research and I don't think it's totally out to lunch now. My doctor told me they do prescribe plant based diets to reverse coronary artery disease. How effective this is relies entirely on how compliant the patient is in their diet and keeping animal products of all kinds out of it. People that stick with it can actually get off of some medication that is otherwise required for life (statins). It's very interesting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ALIEN_WORK2HOP 02/02/18 9:57:42 AM #229:	Doctor Foxx posted... The vegan healing stuff seems hokey and fake. I did a lot of research and I don't think it's totally out to lunch now. My doctor told me they do prescribe plant based diets to reverse coronary artery disease. How effective this is relies entirely on how company the patient is in their diet. People that stick with it can actually get off of some medication that is otherwise required for life (statins). It's very interesting. my sis was diagnosed with breast cancer and the doctors told her she needs to get on a plant based diet as well. Which is saying a lot. She beat it thankfully (not saying she beat it only because of the diet though obviously.) --- * * * * - Die Nummer 1 der Welt sind wir. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. <cite>ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted [p:895306835] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>The vegan healing stuff seems hokey and fake. I did a lot of research and I don't think it's totally out to lunch now. My doctor told me they do prescribe plant based diets to reverse coronary artery disease. How effective this is relies entirely on how company the patient is in their diet. People that stick with it can actually get off of some medication that is otherwise required for life (statins). It's very interesting.</quote> my sis was diagnosed with breast cancer and the doctors told her she needs to get on a plant based diet as well. Which is saying a lot. She beat it thankfully (not saying she beat it only because of the diet though obviously.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 02/02/18 9:58:26 AM #230:	Doctor Foxx posted... gbpxl posted... You guys should watch the film What the Health. It is on Netflix (last I looked at least) It said that the American Heart Association, American Cancer Society, similar organizations are largely funded by the meat and dairy industry. meat and dairy isn't required to live a healthy lifestyle as evidenced by all the vegan bodybuilders and professional athletes out there. in the same film, a woman who could barely walk and was largely dependent on meds, went vegan and was able to walk without a walker after 2 weeks, and no longer needed meds. The best part about that film had to do with the economic and environmental aspects of meat, corruption in food industries, shadiness of some of the big medical names, and following the money trail. The vegan healing stuff seems hokey and fake. I did a lot of research and I don't think it's totally out to lunch now. My doctor told me they do prescribe plant based diets to reverse coronary artery disease. How effective this is relies entirely on how compliant the patient is in their diet and keeping animal products of all kinds out of it. People that stick with it can actually get off of some medication that is otherwise required for life (statins). It's very interesting. most of the nutrition that people are getting from animals was originally sourced from plants anyways. you're bypassing the middleman if you just eat the plants. the only thing you're not getting is B12 and you can get that in pill form (sourced from non-animals) <cite>gbpxl posted [p:895306876] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>You guys should watch the film What the Health. It is on Netflix (last I looked at least) It said that the American Heart Association, American Cancer Society, similar organizations are largely funded by the meat and dairy industry. meat and dairy isn't required to live a healthy lifestyle as evidenced by all the vegan bodybuilders and professional athletes out there. in the same film, a woman who could barely walk and was largely dependent on meds, went vegan and was able to walk without a walker after 2 weeks, and no longer needed meds.</quote> The best part about that film had to do with the economic and environmental aspects of meat, corruption in food industries, shadiness of some of the big medical names, and following the money trail. The vegan healing stuff seems hokey and fake. I did a lot of research and I don't think it's totally out to lunch now. My doctor told me they do prescribe plant based diets to reverse coronary artery disease. How effective this is relies entirely on how compliant the patient is in their diet and keeping animal products of all kinds out of it. People that stick with it can actually get off of some medication that is otherwise required for life (statins). It's very interesting.</quote> most of the nutrition that people are getting from animals was originally sourced from plants anyways. you're bypassing the middleman if you just eat the plants. the only thing you're not getting is B12 and you can get that in pill form (sourced from non-animals)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/02/18 10:00:36 AM #231:	gbpxl posted... Doctor Foxx posted... gbpxl posted... You guys should watch the film What the Health. It is on Netflix (last I looked at least) It said that the American Heart Association, American Cancer Society, similar organizations are largely funded by the meat and dairy industry. meat and dairy isn't required to live a healthy lifestyle as evidenced by all the vegan bodybuilders and professional athletes out there. in the same film, a woman who could barely walk and was largely dependent on meds, went vegan and was able to walk without a walker after 2 weeks, and no longer needed meds. The best part about that film had to do with the economic and environmental aspects of meat, corruption in food industries, shadiness of some of the big medical names, and following the money trail. The vegan healing stuff seems hokey and fake. I did a lot of research and I don't think it's totally out to lunch now. My doctor told me they do prescribe plant based diets to reverse coronary artery disease. How effective this is relies entirely on how compliant the patient is in their diet and keeping animal products of all kinds out of it. People that stick with it can actually get off of some medication that is otherwise required for life (statins). It's very interesting. most of the nutrition that people are getting from animals was originally sourced from plants anyways. you're bypassing the middleman if you just eat the plants. the only thing you're not getting is B12 and you can get that in pill form (sourced from non-animals) Those animals are getting it from supplements too! So just take them yourself. I supplement D3 as well because I live far enough North that the workday is longer than daylight for a few months a year. No sunshine for me! --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895306978] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>You guys should watch the film What the Health. It is on Netflix (last I looked at least) It said that the American Heart Association, American Cancer Society, similar organizations are largely funded by the meat and dairy industry. meat and dairy isn't required to live a healthy lifestyle as evidenced by all the vegan bodybuilders and professional athletes out there. in the same film, a woman who could barely walk and was largely dependent on meds, went vegan and was able to walk without a walker after 2 weeks, and no longer needed meds.</quote> The best part about that film had to do with the economic and environmental aspects of meat, corruption in food industries, shadiness of some of the big medical names, and following the money trail. The vegan healing stuff seems hokey and fake. I did a lot of research and I don't think it's totally out to lunch now. My doctor told me they do prescribe plant based diets to reverse coronary artery disease. How effective this is relies entirely on how compliant the patient is in their diet and keeping animal products of all kinds out of it. People that stick with it can actually get off of some medication that is otherwise required for life (statins). It's very interesting.</quote> most of the nutrition that people are getting from animals was originally sourced from plants anyways. you're bypassing the middleman if you just eat the plants. the only thing you're not getting is B12 and you can get that in pill form (sourced from non-animals)</quote> Those animals are getting it from supplements too! So just take them yourself. I supplement D3 as well because I live far enough North that the workday is longer than daylight for a few months a year. No sunshine for me!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gbpxl 02/02/18 10:01:59 AM #232:	Doctor Foxx posted... gbpxl posted... Doctor Foxx posted... gbpxl posted... You guys should watch the film What the Health. It is on Netflix (last I looked at least) It said that the American Heart Association, American Cancer Society, similar organizations are largely funded by the meat and dairy industry. meat and dairy isn't required to live a healthy lifestyle as evidenced by all the vegan bodybuilders and professional athletes out there. in the same film, a woman who could barely walk and was largely dependent on meds, went vegan and was able to walk without a walker after 2 weeks, and no longer needed meds. The best part about that film had to do with the economic and environmental aspects of meat, corruption in food industries, shadiness of some of the big medical names, and following the money trail. The vegan healing stuff seems hokey and fake. I did a lot of research and I don't think it's totally out to lunch now. My doctor told me they do prescribe plant based diets to reverse coronary artery disease. How effective this is relies entirely on how compliant the patient is in their diet and keeping animal products of all kinds out of it. People that stick with it can actually get off of some medication that is otherwise required for life (statins). It's very interesting. most of the nutrition that people are getting from animals was originally sourced from plants anyways. you're bypassing the middleman if you just eat the plants. the only thing you're not getting is B12 and you can get that in pill form (sourced from non-animals) Those animals are getting it from supplements too! So just take them yourself. I supplement D3 as well because I live far enough North that the workday is longer than daylight for a few months a year. No sunshine for me! do they put D3 in almond milk? i know they put D in regular milk but I guess I dont know the differences <cite>gbpxl posted [p:895307025] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>You guys should watch the film What the Health. It is on Netflix (last I looked at least) It said that the American Heart Association, American Cancer Society, similar organizations are largely funded by the meat and dairy industry. meat and dairy isn't required to live a healthy lifestyle as evidenced by all the vegan bodybuilders and professional athletes out there. in the same film, a woman who could barely walk and was largely dependent on meds, went vegan and was able to walk without a walker after 2 weeks, and no longer needed meds.</quote> The best part about that film had to do with the economic and environmental aspects of meat, corruption in food industries, shadiness of some of the big medical names, and following the money trail. The vegan healing stuff seems hokey and fake. I did a lot of research and I don't think it's totally out to lunch now. My doctor told me they do prescribe plant based diets to reverse coronary artery disease. How effective this is relies entirely on how compliant the patient is in their diet and keeping animal products of all kinds out of it. People that stick with it can actually get off of some medication that is otherwise required for life (statins). It's very interesting.</quote> most of the nutrition that people are getting from animals was originally sourced from plants anyways. you're bypassing the middleman if you just eat the plants. the only thing you're not getting is B12 and you can get that in pill form (sourced from non-animals)</quote> Those animals are getting it from supplements too! So just take them yourself. I supplement D3 as well because I live far enough North that the workday is longer than daylight for a few months a year. No sunshine for me!</quote> do they put D3 in almond milk? i know they put D in regular milk but I guess I dont know the differences</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InYourWalls1 02/02/18 10:25:02 AM #233:	gbpxl posted... do they put D3 in almond milk? i know they put D in regular milk but I guess I dont know the differences Some brands fortify with that iirc as well as b12 even Doctor Foxx posted... http://www.thatwasvegan.com/2012/01/30/my-favorite-chicken-style-seitan-recipe/ I like that recipe with oat flour instead of chickpea flour (just ground rolled oats). And I like a little less nutritional yeast with a splash of apple cider vinegar in the dough. Otherwise that's a good recipe with pictures and ratios for VWG, flour, spices, and liquids. Time and method work well, I steam in my pressure cooker personally. Thanks! Looks like there's actually a lot of stuff on that site I'm gonna have to try --- The fully enlightened earth radiates disaster triumphant <cite>InYourWalls1 posted [p:895308022] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>do they put D3 in almond milk? i know they put D in regular milk but I guess I dont know the differences</quote> Some brands fortify with that iirc as well as b12 even <cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>http://www.thatwasvegan.com/2012/01/30/my-favorite-chicken-style-seitan-recipe/ I like that recipe with oat flour instead of chickpea flour (just ground rolled oats). And I like a little less nutritional yeast with a splash of apple cider vinegar in the dough. Otherwise that's a good recipe with pictures and ratios for VWG, flour, spices, and liquids. Time and method work well, I steam in my pressure cooker personally.</quote> Thanks! Looks like there's actually a lot of stuff on that site I'm gonna have to try</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/02/18 12:12:41 PM #234:	gbpxl posted... Doctor Foxx posted... gbpxl posted... Doctor Foxx posted... gbpxl posted... You guys should watch the film What the Health. It is on Netflix (last I looked at least) It said that the American Heart Association, American Cancer Society, similar organizations are largely funded by the meat and dairy industry. meat and dairy isn't required to live a healthy lifestyle as evidenced by all the vegan bodybuilders and professional athletes out there. in the same film, a woman who could barely walk and was largely dependent on meds, went vegan and was able to walk without a walker after 2 weeks, and no longer needed meds. The best part about that film had to do with the economic and environmental aspects of meat, corruption in food industries, shadiness of some of the big medical names, and following the money trail. The vegan healing stuff seems hokey and fake. I did a lot of research and I don't think it's totally out to lunch now. My doctor told me they do prescribe plant based diets to reverse coronary artery disease. How effective this is relies entirely on how compliant the patient is in their diet and keeping animal products of all kinds out of it. People that stick with it can actually get off of some medication that is otherwise required for life (statins). It's very interesting. most of the nutrition that people are getting from animals was originally sourced from plants anyways. you're bypassing the middleman if you just eat the plants. the only thing you're not getting is B12 and you can get that in pill form (sourced from non-animals) Those animals are getting it from supplements too! So just take them yourself. I supplement D3 as well because I live far enough North that the workday is longer than daylight for a few months a year. No sunshine for me! do they put D3 in almond milk? i know they put D in regular milk but I guess I dont know the differences I think so. Most dairy alternatives have B12 and D. Don't drink a lot of milk stuff anyway. You have to watch because a lot of it is derived from animal ingredients. Some things fortified with D3 are not vegan --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895313891] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gbpxl posted...</cite> <quote>You guys should watch the film What the Health. It is on Netflix (last I looked at least) It said that the American Heart Association, American Cancer Society, similar organizations are largely funded by the meat and dairy industry. meat and dairy isn't required to live a healthy lifestyle as evidenced by all the vegan bodybuilders and professional athletes out there. in the same film, a woman who could barely walk and was largely dependent on meds, went vegan and was able to walk without a walker after 2 weeks, and no longer needed meds.</quote> The best part about that film had to do with the economic and environmental aspects of meat, corruption in food industries, shadiness of some of the big medical names, and following the money trail. The vegan healing stuff seems hokey and fake. I did a lot of research and I don't think it's totally out to lunch now. My doctor told me they do prescribe plant based diets to reverse coronary artery disease. How effective this is relies entirely on how compliant the patient is in their diet and keeping animal products of all kinds out of it. People that stick with it can actually get off of some medication that is otherwise required for life (statins). It's very interesting.</quote> most of the nutrition that people are getting from animals was originally sourced from plants anyways. you're bypassing the middleman if you just eat the plants. the only thing you're not getting is B12 and you can get that in pill form (sourced from non-animals)</quote> Those animals are getting it from supplements too! So just take them yourself. I supplement D3 as well because I live far enough North that the workday is longer than daylight for a few months a year. No sunshine for me!</quote> do they put D3 in almond milk? i know they put D in regular milk but I guess I dont know the differences</quote> I think so. Most dairy alternatives have B12 and D. Don't drink a lot of milk stuff anyway. You have to watch because a lot of it is derived from animal ingredients. Some things fortified with D3 are not vegan</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foreverzero212 02/02/18 2:04:28 PM #235:	Doctor Foxx posted... Asherlee10 posted... Doctor Foxx posted... It's very cool and probably the future of meat eating! But it still requires animals and painful tissue biopsies (as well as fetal tissue iirc) at this time. It would be great if this progresses soon. Unfortunately the health risks associated with meat consumption will still largely be there. I think it will greatly reduced the dioxins in meat which is beneficial. It's going to take time to get there. Actually they can culture meat with embryonic stem cells. Further, only some meats and how they are processed makes them unhealthy. Many meats are part of a well balanced diet. I don't really give a fuck what other people are eating, but don't try to spread misinformation. Saturated fats and cholesterol aren't healthy either. Regardless of types of meat you do have cholesterol in there. Further, it seems no red meat is healthy for you. So that leaves poultry and fish. And yet research seems to allow that getting your protein from plants rather than these sources is healthier overall. So I just personally don't see a point to it any longer. nonono you dont get it. You see when the animal lives a happy life, doesnt get its feelings hurt before slaughter, and you don't process it: the saturated fats, cholesterol, etc go from unhealthy to completely healthy. These forms of happy saturated fat and happy cholesterol are actually antioxidants. Many happy meats are essential for human diet. --- lions and panthers oh my <cite>foreverzero212 posted [p:895320028] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>It's very cool and probably the future of meat eating! But it still requires animals and painful tissue biopsies (as well as fetal tissue iirc) at this time. It would be great if this progresses soon. Unfortunately the health risks associated with meat consumption will still largely be there. I think it will greatly reduced the dioxins in meat which is beneficial. It's going to take time to get there. </quote> Actually they can culture meat with embryonic stem cells. Further, only some meats and how they are processed makes them unhealthy. Many meats are part of a well balanced diet. I don't really give a fuck what other people are eating, but don't try to spread misinformation.</quote> Saturated fats and cholesterol aren't healthy either. Regardless of types of meat you do have cholesterol in there. Further, it seems no red meat is healthy for you. So that leaves poultry and fish. And yet research seems to allow that getting your protein from plants rather than these sources is healthier overall. So I just personally don't see a point to it any longer.</quote> nonono you dont get it. You see when the animal lives a happy life, doesnt get its feelings hurt before slaughter, and you don't process it: the saturated fats, cholesterol, etc go from unhealthy to completely healthy. These forms of happy saturated fat and happy cholesterol are actually antioxidants. Many happy meats are essential for human diet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/02/18 2:11:22 PM #236:	foreverzero212 posted... Doctor Foxx posted... Asherlee10 posted... Doctor Foxx posted... It's very cool and probably the future of meat eating! But it still requires animals and painful tissue biopsies (as well as fetal tissue iirc) at this time. It would be great if this progresses soon. Unfortunately the health risks associated with meat consumption will still largely be there. I think it will greatly reduced the dioxins in meat which is beneficial. It's going to take time to get there. Actually they can culture meat with embryonic stem cells. Further, only some meats and how they are processed makes them unhealthy. Many meats are part of a well balanced diet. I don't really give a fuck what other people are eating, but don't try to spread misinformation. Saturated fats and cholesterol aren't healthy either. Regardless of types of meat you do have cholesterol in there. Further, it seems no red meat is healthy for you. So that leaves poultry and fish. And yet research seems to allow that getting your protein from plants rather than these sources is healthier overall. So I just personally don't see a point to it any longer. nonono you dont get it. You see when the animal lives a happy life, doesnt get its feelings hurt before slaughter, and you don't process it: the saturated fats, cholesterol, etc go from unhealthy to completely healthy. These forms of happy saturated fat and happy cholesterol are actually antioxidants. Many happy meats are essential for human diet. Oh darn you're right I missed that part of nutrition --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895320464] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>foreverzero212 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>It's very cool and probably the future of meat eating! But it still requires animals and painful tissue biopsies (as well as fetal tissue iirc) at this time. It would be great if this progresses soon. Unfortunately the health risks associated with meat consumption will still largely be there. I think it will greatly reduced the dioxins in meat which is beneficial. It's going to take time to get there. </quote> Actually they can culture meat with embryonic stem cells. Further, only some meats and how they are processed makes them unhealthy. Many meats are part of a well balanced diet. I don't really give a fuck what other people are eating, but don't try to spread misinformation.</quote> Saturated fats and cholesterol aren't healthy either. Regardless of types of meat you do have cholesterol in there. Further, it seems no red meat is healthy for you. So that leaves poultry and fish. And yet research seems to allow that getting your protein from plants rather than these sources is healthier overall. So I just personally don't see a point to it any longer.</quote> nonono you dont get it. You see when the animal lives a happy life, doesnt get its feelings hurt before slaughter, and you don't process it: the saturated fats, cholesterol, etc go from unhealthy to completely healthy. These forms of happy saturated fat and happy cholesterol are actually antioxidants. Many happy meats are essential for human diet.</quote> Oh darn you're right I missed that part of nutrition </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/02/18 2:17:09 PM #237:	Sad feels when I go to a new city and the only real veg friendly place is extreme pita. The Indian place I called uses chicken stock in most things. Must have missed the Indians are often vegetarians memo. Shout out to the driest falafel wrap I've ever had the pleasure of eating. Truly a joy. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895320825] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>Sad feels when I go to a new city and the only real veg friendly place is extreme pita. The Indian place I called uses chicken stock in most things. Must have missed the Indians are often vegetarians memo. Shout out to the driest falafel wrap I've ever had the pleasure of eating. Truly a joy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Millennials 02/02/18 8:21:30 PM #238:	My dinner tonight: I made some baked farro patties for the week and it being Friday, I was absolutely tired of having them as a sandwich filling, despite mixing it up with different breads and toppings. On a whim, I decided to chop one up and use it in place of chicken in my usual sesame chicken recipe. This is the first time I've had a non-meat version of the dish and it really made me take note of how much flavor comes from the crispy, fried batter of it and not the meat itself. The crispy parts of the farro made the taste very reminiscent of the real thing. My mom tried it and also remarked on the similarity, although she wasn't a fan of the texture, which is admittedly a lot grainier. I think with extra pulsing in the food processor, it would take a smoother texture. The next time I make this (and it's definitely going into my dinner/lunch rotation) I'll do that, and maybe fry it. I don't typically use oil but would be even more wonderful as a once in a while, indulgent dish. --- http://i.imgur.com/u0U1NGj.jpg <cite>Millennials posted [p:895342488] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>My dinner tonight: I made some baked farro patties for the week and it being Friday, I was absolutely tired of having them as a sandwich filling, despite mixing it up with different breads and toppings. On a whim, I decided to chop one up and use it in place of chicken in my usual sesame chicken recipe. This is the first time I've had a non-meat version of the dish and it really made me take note of how much flavor comes from the crispy, fried batter of it and not the meat itself. The crispy parts of the farro made the taste very reminiscent of the real thing. My mom tried it and also remarked on the similarity, although she wasn't a fan of the texture, which is admittedly a lot grainier. I think with extra pulsing in the food processor, it would take a smoother texture. The next time I make this (and it's definitely going into my dinner/lunch rotation) I'll do that, and maybe fry it. I don't typically use oil but would be even more wonderful as a once in a while, indulgent dish.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/02/18 9:08:22 PM #239:	Millennials posted... My dinner tonight: I made some baked farro patties for the week and it being Friday, I was absolutely tired of having them as a sandwich filling, despite mixing it up with different breads and toppings. On a whim, I decided to chop one up and use it in place of chicken in my usual sesame chicken recipe. This is the first time I've had a non-meat version of the dish and it really made me take note of how much flavor comes from the crispy, fried batter of it and not the meat itself. The crispy parts of the farro made the taste very reminiscent of the real thing. My mom tried it and also remarked on the similarity, although she wasn't a fan of the texture, which is admittedly a lot grainier. I think with extra pulsing in the food processor, it would take a smoother texture. The next time I make this (and it's definitely going into my dinner/lunch rotation) I'll do that, and maybe fry it. I don't typically use oil but would be even more wonderful as a once in a while, indulgent dish. Looks good! And yes most flavor comes from everything but the meat. You can put most bland things in crispy fried batter with sauce and it's still going to be so good because batter and sauce Have you had the pleasure of using soy curls? --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895344909] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Millennials posted...</cite> <quote>My dinner tonight: I made some baked farro patties for the week and it being Friday, I was absolutely tired of having them as a sandwich filling, despite mixing it up with different breads and toppings. On a whim, I decided to chop one up and use it in place of chicken in my usual sesame chicken recipe. This is the first time I've had a non-meat version of the dish and it really made me take note of how much flavor comes from the crispy, fried batter of it and not the meat itself. The crispy parts of the farro made the taste very reminiscent of the real thing. My mom tried it and also remarked on the similarity, although she wasn't a fan of the texture, which is admittedly a lot grainier. I think with extra pulsing in the food processor, it would take a smoother texture. The next time I make this (and it's definitely going into my dinner/lunch rotation) I'll do that, and maybe fry it. I don't typically use oil but would be even more wonderful as a once in a while, indulgent dish.</quote> Looks good! And yes most flavor comes from everything but the meat. You can put most bland things in crispy fried batter with sauce and it's still going to be so good because batter and sauce Have you had the pleasure of using soy curls?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Millennials 02/02/18 9:36:34 PM #240:	I only found out about them today. I plan to buy some but I'm trying to decide between ordering them online or waiting a couple of weeks for an already planned trip to a specialty food store that carries them. --- http://i.imgur.com/u0U1NGj.jpg <cite>Millennials posted [p:895346383] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>I only found out about them today. I plan to buy some but I'm trying to decide between ordering them online or waiting a couple of weeks for an already planned trip to a specialty food store that carries them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/02/18 9:43:26 PM #241:	Millennials posted... I only found out about them today. I plan to buy some but I'm trying to decide between ordering them online or waiting a couple of weeks for an already planned trip to a specialty food store that carries them. I honestly feel like if you are good with soy protein texture you really can't go wrong with ordering the 12 pound box on Amazon and vacuum sealing some for later. It's cheap. It's versatile. It takes 10 minutes to be ready to cook. Protein at the ready any time It's up to you though. Supporting those local businesses is better and then you can at least try it in a reasonable size. Just make sure you know the specialty store carries them. There's only one store in my home city that does despite the many specially veg focused shops --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895346733] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Millennials posted...</cite> <quote>I only found out about them today. I plan to buy some but I'm trying to decide between ordering them online or waiting a couple of weeks for an already planned trip to a specialty food store that carries them.</quote> I honestly feel like if you are good with soy protein texture you really can't go wrong with ordering the 12 pound box on Amazon and vacuum sealing some for later. It's cheap. It's versatile. It takes 10 minutes to be ready to cook. Protein at the ready any time It's up to you though. Supporting those local businesses is better and then you can at least try it in a reasonable size. Just make sure you know the specialty store carries them. There's only one store in my home city that does despite the many specially veg focused shops</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/03/18 1:13:04 AM #242:	This was supper Sliced seitan in bbq sauce with freshly picked lettuce and crispy potato slices. Served sandwiched in a toasted whole wheat bun with lightly seasoned smashed avocado. and the rest of the potato. Would make again --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895356772] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>This was supper Sliced seitan in bbq sauce with freshly picked lettuce and crispy potato slices. Served sandwiched in a toasted whole wheat bun with lightly seasoned smashed avocado. and the rest of the potato. Would make again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 02/03/18 1:13:44 AM #243:	Doctor Foxx posted... This was supper Sliced seitan in bbq sauce with freshly picked lettuce and crispy potato slices. Served sandwiched in a toasted whole wheat bun with lightly seasoned smashed avocado. and the rest of the potato. Would make again Yo Jesus Christ gimme some --- http://i.imgur.com/MS5SvzN.gif https://i.imgur.com/ahQpG57.jpg <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:895356804] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>This was supper Sliced seitan in bbq sauce with freshly picked lettuce and crispy potato slices. Served sandwiched in a toasted whole wheat bun with lightly seasoned smashed avocado. and the rest of the potato. Would make again</quote> Yo Jesus Christ gimme some</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/03/18 1:31:15 AM #244:	RebelElite791 posted... Doctor Foxx posted... This was supper - Sliced seitan in bbq sauce with freshly picked lettuce and crispy potato slices. Served sandwiched in a toasted whole wheat bun with lightly seasoned smashed avocado. and the rest of the potato. - Would make again Yo Jesus Christ gimme some Sorry it's all gone. Use the seitan recipe linked, cut it into quarter inch slices and then cut those into strips. Or... http://www.geniuskitchen.com/recipe/homemade-seitan-barbecue-bbq-ribs-vegan-295097 When I have an oven I'm making that. Recipe comes highly recommended bone app the teeth --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895357449] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>This was supper - Sliced seitan in bbq sauce with freshly picked lettuce and crispy potato slices. Served sandwiched in a toasted whole wheat bun with lightly seasoned smashed avocado. and the rest of the potato. - Would make again</quote> Yo Jesus Christ gimme some</quote> Sorry it's all gone. Use the seitan recipe linked, cut it into quarter inch slices and then cut those into strips. Or... http://www.geniuskitchen.com/recipe/homemade-seitan-barbecue-bbq-ribs-vegan-295097 When I have an oven I'm making that. Recipe comes highly recommended bone app the teeth</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InYourWalls1 02/03/18 1:57:44 AM #245:	Doctor Foxx posted... http://www.geniuskitchen.com/recipe/homemade-seitan-barbecue-bbq-ribs-vegan-295097 Millennials posted... My dinner tonight: How'd you make that one? It looks amazing! This topic is killing me with all the food --- The fully enlightened earth radiates disaster triumphant <cite>InYourWalls1 posted [p:895358254] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote> http://www.geniuskitchen.com/recipe/homemade-seitan-barbecue-bbq-ribs-vegan-295097</quote> <cite>Millennials posted...</cite> <quote>My dinner tonight: </quote> How'd you make that one? It looks amazing! This topic is killing me with all the food</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 02/03/18 2:08:55 AM #246:	I wouldn't mind trying vegan food every once in a while. --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:895358589] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>I wouldn't mind trying vegan food every once in a while.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/03/18 2:32:09 AM #247:	LightningAce11 posted... I wouldn't mind trying vegan food every once in a while. Food is vegan until you adulterate it with animal products. or you can eat an apple I kid. You should try a vegan or vegetarian restaurant. A dedicated one. Not just a veg dish in a place that mostly serves meat. Especially one that is some kind of Asian cuisine. I've found great vegan Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, and Indian. Lots of Ethiopian food is vegan too and deeeeelicious The more (often religious) vegetarian population % in the country, the more the culture's cuisine skews to veg. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895359176] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>I wouldn't mind trying vegan food every once in a while.</quote> Food is vegan until you adulterate it with animal products. or you can eat an apple I kid. You should try a vegan or vegetarian restaurant. A dedicated one. Not just a veg dish in a place that mostly serves meat. Especially one that is some kind of Asian cuisine. I've found great vegan Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, and Indian. Lots of Ethiopian food is vegan too and deeeeelicious The more (often religious) vegetarian population % in the country, the more the culture's cuisine skews to veg.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Millennials 02/03/18 10:06:41 AM #248:	Doctor Foxx posted... I honestly feel like if you are good with soy protein texture you really can't go wrong with ordering the 12 pound box on Amazon and vacuum sealing some for later. It's cheap. It's versatile. It takes 10 minutes to be ready to cook. Protein at the ready any time It's up to you though. Supporting those local businesses is better and then you can at least try it in a reasonable size. Just make sure you know the specialty store carries them. There's only one store in my home city that does despite the many specially veg focused shops Well, I almost gave in and ordered some from Amazon but I don't have prime because I don't use amazon enough to justify that price. I went to the Butler's website and the shipping is better but still not worth it considering I'll be going to the store before long. The store is listed as a carrier on the Butler website but even if they don't have it, it won't be like I've gone out of my way for nothing. In that case, I'll just order some on my mom's account or something. InYourWalls1 posted... How'd you make that one? It looks amazing! I honestly don't measure when I cook, a habit I'm trying to get better at, but the patty is probably 3:1 plain boiled farro coarsely pulsed in a food processor and cooked steel cut oats, baked at 350 until crispy and golden. This one was in the fridge for five days but it still had some good crunch to it. I chopped it like a checkerboard then put it in the sauce long enough to heat up. The sauce is just a few tbsp of soy sauce, a clove of garlic, some chili flakes, a few tbsp of rice wine vinegar, and a tbsp of tomato paste and a few tbsp of water to thin it out a bit. Put the sesame seeds in for a final toss before plating. I'm going to revise the farro patty recipe to be more adaptable to anything that would need a crispy batter. I'll share when I do that because I think it will be even better. --- http://i.imgur.com/u0U1NGj.jpg <cite>Millennials posted [p:895369600] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote> I honestly feel like if you are good with soy protein texture you really can't go wrong with ordering the 12 pound box on Amazon and vacuum sealing some for later. It's cheap. It's versatile. It takes 10 minutes to be ready to cook. Protein at the ready any time It's up to you though. Supporting those local businesses is better and then you can at least try it in a reasonable size. Just make sure you know the specialty store carries them. There's only one store in my home city that does despite the many specially veg focused shops</quote> Well, I almost gave in and ordered some from Amazon but I don't have prime because I don't use amazon enough to justify that price. I went to the Butler's website and the shipping is better but still not worth it considering I'll be going to the store before long. The store is listed as a carrier on the Butler website but even if they don't have it, it won't be like I've gone out of my way for nothing. In that case, I'll just order some on my mom's account or something. <cite>InYourWalls1 posted...</cite> <quote>How'd you make that one? It looks amazing!</quote> I honestly don't measure when I cook, a habit I'm trying to get better at, but the patty is probably 3:1 plain boiled farro coarsely pulsed in a food processor and cooked steel cut oats, baked at 350 until crispy and golden. This one was in the fridge for five days but it still had some good crunch to it. I chopped it like a checkerboard then put it in the sauce long enough to heat up. The sauce is just a few tbsp of soy sauce, a clove of garlic, some chili flakes, a few tbsp of rice wine vinegar, and a tbsp of tomato paste and a few tbsp of water to thin it out a bit. Put the sesame seeds in for a final toss before plating. I'm going to revise the farro patty recipe to be more adaptable to anything that would need a crispy batter. I'll share when I do that because I think it will be even better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/03/18 3:05:26 PM #249:	Been thinking about that seitanwich all day. Defs making more of those and using avocado as my spread. So good. Millennials posted... Well, I almost gave in and ordered some from Amazon but I don't have prime because I don't use amazon enough to justify that price. I went to the Butler's website and the shipping is better but still not worth it considering I'll be going to the store before long. The store is listed as a carrier on the Butler website but even if they don't have it, it won't be like I've gone out of my way for nothing. In that case, I'll just order some on my mom's account or something. That's cool I hope it's in stock for you. http://pinterest.com/pin/137219119873107827 This is the first soy curl recipe I did that really sold me on them The crispy coating takes it to the next level Since the actual recipe site with directions went down: dry coating mix: 1/2 tsp 5-spice, powder 3 tbsp Arrowroot powder 1 tsp Kosher salt 2 tsp Paprika vegetables and seasonings to cook in pan: 3 Carrots 3 stalks Celery 4 cloves Garlic 2 tsp Garlic powder 1 tbsp Ginger, fresh 1/2 lb Green beans 1 Red bell pepper 3 Scallions 2 tbsp Vegetable oil Stuff to make sauce: 3/4 cup Brown sugar (I used much less) mixed with 1 tbsp starch (corn or arrowroot work) 1/4 cup Lemon juice, fresh 2 tsp Sriracha hot sauce 3 tbsp Tamari, gluten-free 3/4 cup Orange juice, fresh 1/3 cup Brown rice vinegar 1/2 tsp sesame oil other: Soy curls (1 package) scallion greens 4-6 cups hot vegetable stock (can use water) Rehydrate a package of soy curls in HOT vegetable stock for 10-15 minutes. Drain. Press excess moisture from soy curls. Mix up the coating ingredients. Toss soy curls in dry coating mix to thoroughly coat brown up the coated curls in 1-2 tbsp hot oil for a few minutes, want them to get a little crispy. Remove and put aside. add vegetables and cook a few minutes, stirring While vegetables cook mix up your sauce ingredients in a container. Mix sugar and starch together, then slowly add cool liquid and mix into a paste to integrate all starch into liquid. continue adding ingredients and mixing. When vegetables are not fully cooked, slowly add the sauce mix to the pan. Stir constantly--it will thicken and can scorch. keep scraping that pan. When it is all added, put the crispy soy curls back to saucy vegetables. Bring to simmer while stirring. Cook simmering for 1 minute with all of the sauce added. remove from heat and garnish with scallion greens. serve over more vegetables and rice This is my best recreation since The V Word went down :( --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895383315] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>Been thinking about that seitanwich all day. Defs making more of those and using avocado as my spread. So good. <cite>Millennials posted...</cite> <quote>Well, I almost gave in and ordered some from Amazon but I don't have prime because I don't use amazon enough to justify that price. I went to the Butler's website and the shipping is better but still not worth it considering I'll be going to the store before long. The store is listed as a carrier on the Butler website but even if they don't have it, it won't be like I've gone out of my way for nothing. In that case, I'll just order some on my mom's account or something.</quote> That's cool I hope it's in stock for you. http://pinterest.com/pin/137219119873107827 This is the first soy curl recipe I did that really sold me on them The crispy coating takes it to the next level Since the actual recipe site with directions went down: dry coating mix: 1/2 tsp 5-spice, powder 3 tbsp Arrowroot powder 1 tsp Kosher salt 2 tsp Paprika vegetables and seasonings to cook in pan: 3 Carrots 3 stalks Celery 4 cloves Garlic 2 tsp Garlic powder 1 tbsp Ginger, fresh 1/2 lb Green beans 1 Red bell pepper 3 Scallions 2 tbsp Vegetable oil Stuff to make sauce: 3/4 cup Brown sugar (I used much less) mixed with 1 tbsp starch (corn or arrowroot work) 1/4 cup Lemon juice, fresh 2 tsp Sriracha hot sauce 3 tbsp Tamari, gluten-free 3/4 cup Orange juice, fresh 1/3 cup Brown rice vinegar 1/2 tsp sesame oil other: Soy curls (1 package) scallion greens 4-6 cups hot vegetable stock (can use water) Rehydrate a package of soy curls in HOT vegetable stock for 10-15 minutes. Drain. Press excess moisture from soy curls. Mix up the coating ingredients. Toss soy curls in dry coating mix to thoroughly coat brown up the coated curls in 1-2 tbsp hot oil for a few minutes, want them to get a little crispy. Remove and put aside. add vegetables and cook a few minutes, stirring While vegetables cook mix up your sauce ingredients in a container. Mix sugar and starch together, then slowly add cool liquid and mix into a paste to integrate all starch into liquid. continue adding ingredients and mixing. When vegetables are not fully cooked, slowly add the sauce mix to the pan. Stir constantly--it will thicken and can scorch. keep scraping that pan. When it is all added, put the crispy soy curls back to saucy vegetables. Bring to simmer while stirring. Cook simmering for 1 minute with all of the sauce added. remove from heat and garnish with scallion greens. serve over more vegetables and rice This is my best recreation since The V Word went down :(</quote> ... 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Doctor Foxx 02/03/18 9:45:48 PM #250:	Volunteering tonight and didn't have time to eat a proper meal before. They feed you. Last time there weren't any options and the guy remembered and made me something special ahead of time It's a nice gesture. I appreciate it. A little fruit isn't much of a meal and screw honeydew Every time I eat fruit it's the very best thing Except honeydew --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895404908] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>Volunteering tonight and didn't have time to eat a proper meal before. They feed you. Last time there weren't any options and the guy remembered and made me something special ahead of time It's a nice gesture. I appreciate it. A little fruit isn't much of a meal and screw honeydew Every time I eat fruit it's the very best thing Except honeydew</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tamashii 02/03/18 11:41:21 PM #251:	Yeah, fuck honeydew. --- PSN: helicene http://steamcommunity.com/id/helicene/wishlist/ <cite>tamashii posted [p:895411402] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, fuck honeydew.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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