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discodancer77 02/01/18 11:47:16 AM #152:	KobeSystem posted... didnt read any of thois topic do vegans care about insects Ethical veganism is about minimizing and prevented the needless pain inflicted on animals. If it was never kill animals, for any reason, then there would be outrage over all the insects that die during any farming processes. Are vegans hypocrites if they dont care about those insects? No, it would be stupid to think we could somehow stop those insects from dying. We can easily get by not killing animals to eat and wear, and it wouldnt even be a bother. --- Playing: Kyuyyaku Megami Tensei Part 1 http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198797989609/wishlist/?sort=rank <cite>discodancer77 posted [p:895244838] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>KobeSystem posted...</cite> <quote>didnt read any of thois topic do vegans care about insects</quote> <quote>Ethical veganism is about minimizing and prevented the needless pain inflicted on animals. If it was never kill animals, for any reason, then there would be outrage over all the insects that die during any farming processes. Are vegans hypocrites if they dont care about those insects? No, it would be stupid to think we could somehow stop those insects from dying. We can easily get by not killing animals to eat and wear, and it wouldnt even be a bother.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 11:51:26 AM #153:	discodancer77 posted... KobeSystem posted... didnt read any of thois topic do vegans care about insects Ethical veganism is about minimizing and prevented the needless pain inflicted on animals. If it was never kill animals, for any reason, then there would be outrage over all the insects that die during any farming processes. Are vegans hypocrites if they dont care about those insects? No, it would be stupid to think we could somehow stop those insects from dying. We can easily get by not killing animals to eat and wear, and it wouldnt even be a bother. Unfortunately can't prevent insects from dying in agriculture regardless of diet. Veganism requires less agriculture to feed each person so would create fewer agricultural insect deaths overall anyway That and we can easily relocate inside creatures to the outside. I do that with the spiders or moths where I live provided that I can get to them before my cats do. I'm not a bug swatter. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895245094] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>discodancer77 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KobeSystem posted...</cite> <quote>didnt read any of thois topic do vegans care about insects</quote> <quote>Ethical veganism is about minimizing and prevented the needless pain inflicted on animals. If it was never kill animals, for any reason, then there would be outrage over all the insects that die during any farming processes. Are vegans hypocrites if they dont care about those insects? No, it would be stupid to think we could somehow stop those insects from dying. We can easily get by not killing animals to eat and wear, and it wouldnt even be a bother.</quote></quote> Unfortunately can't prevent insects from dying in agriculture regardless of diet. Veganism requires less agriculture to feed each person so would create fewer agricultural insect deaths overall anyway That and we can easily relocate inside creatures to the outside. I do that with the spiders or moths where I live provided that I can get to them before my cats do. I'm not a bug swatter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 12:00:46 PM #154:	KobeSystem posted... I'll prolly go vegan once I can afford it My entire cars interior is leather and I love steaks and I don't just cook for me >.> But I've worked in produce for many years and I know how ....yummy some vegan food can be. If I dont go vegan then I hope to eat more humane meat like Chris Pratt lmao FYI going vegan had reduced my food budget tremendously. It's at least 30% lower. When I go more whole ingredient vegan and less Oreo vegan it's even cheaper. If you want to save money start learning to cook vegan meals to get cheap tasty eats. Chris Pratt that suggested killing an animal is like unplugging a TV? I wouldn't hold him as an example of Humane treatment. DyingPancake posted... And hunting absolutely does lessen the consumption of meat bought from a store. Maybe not to the levels you want, but it does make an impact and the animal is killed instantly. ...do you even hunt? Yes an animal should be killed swiftly. It's not instant. And it's not always swift. The biggest impact is not consuming animals as food at all regardless of whether you put a bullet into it or picked up a styrofoam package of it from a store. Hunting is a step up from factory farmed. However hunting is not how people get most of their meat (even for those that hunt) and it still requires killing something that wanted to live. Millennials posted... Not to step on Foxx's toes, No toe stepping seen here. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895245652] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>KobeSystem posted...</cite> <quote>I'll prolly go vegan once I can afford it My entire cars interior is leather and I love steaks and I don't just cook for me >.> But I've worked in produce for many years and I know how ....yummy some vegan food can be. If I dont go vegan then I hope to eat more humane meat like Chris Pratt lmao</quote> FYI going vegan had reduced my food budget tremendously. It's at least 30% lower. When I go more whole ingredient vegan and less Oreo vegan it's even cheaper. If you want to save money start learning to cook vegan meals to get cheap tasty eats. Chris Pratt that suggested killing an animal is like unplugging a TV? I wouldn't hold him as an example of Humane treatment. <cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>And hunting absolutely does lessen the consumption of meat bought from a store. Maybe not to the levels you want, but it does make an impact and the animal is killed instantly.</quote> ...do you even hunt? Yes an animal should be killed swiftly. It's not instant. And it's not always swift. The biggest impact is not consuming animals as food at all regardless of whether you put a bullet into it or picked up a styrofoam package of it from a store. Hunting is a step up from factory farmed. However hunting is not how people get most of their meat (even for those that hunt) and it still requires killing something that wanted to live. <cite>Millennials posted...</cite> <quote>Not to step on Foxx's toes, </quote> No toe stepping seen here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DyingPancake 02/01/18 12:20:56 PM #155:	Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted...And hunting absolutely does lessen the consumption of meat bought from a store. Maybe not to the levels you want, but it does make an impact and the animal is killed instantly....do you even hunt? Yes an animal should be killed swiftly. It's not instant. And it's not always swift.The biggest impact is not consuming animals as food at all regardless of whether you put a bullet into it or picked up a styrofoam package of it from a store. Hunting is a step up from factory farmed. However hunting is not how people get most of their meat (even for those that hunt) and it still requires killing something that wanted to live. Unless you're going to give me some bullshit on how they take 5 or 10 secs to die once you shoot so thats not the definition then then yes it is "instant". Even if its a bad shot they're still going to die a more humane death. I really don't care if a deer or fish of all things "wants to live". We won't even get into population control, but the fact of the matter is, getting meat for jerky or sausage is more important to me than them running free. --- Under a cold October sky, I wait I had ice cream with chill02! <cite>DyingPancake posted [p:895246916] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>DyingPancake posted...And hunting absolutely does lessen the consumption of meat bought from a store. Maybe not to the levels you want, but it does make an impact and the animal is killed instantly....do you even hunt? Yes an animal should be killed swiftly. It's not instant. And it's not always swift.The biggest impact is not consuming animals as food at all regardless of whether you put a bullet into it or picked up a styrofoam package of it from a store. Hunting is a step up from factory farmed. However hunting is not how people get most of their meat (even for those that hunt) and it still requires killing something that wanted to live.</quote> Unless you're going to give me some bullshit on how they take 5 or 10 secs to die once you shoot so thats not the definition then then yes it is "instant". Even if its a bad shot they're still going to die a more humane death. I really don't care if a deer or fish of all things "wants to live". We won't even get into population control, but the fact of the matter is, getting meat for jerky or sausage is more important to me than them running free.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 12:23:05 PM #156:	DyingPancake posted... Unless you're going to give me some bullshit on how they take 5 or 10 secs to die once you shoot so thats not the definition then then yes it is "instant". Even if its a bad shot they're still going to die a more humane death. Quick is not instant. It's not bullshit. The word you used was not accurate. DyingPancake posted... I really don't care if a deer or fish of all things "wants to live". We won't even get into population control, but the fact of the matter is, getting meat for jerky or sausage is more important to me than them running free. I hope your priorities can be evaluated and improved on in time --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895247042] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>Unless you're going to give me some bullshit on how they take 5 or 10 secs to die once you shoot so thats not the definition then then yes it is "instant". Even if its a bad shot they're still going to die a more humane death. </quote> Quick is not instant. It's not bullshit. The word you used was not accurate. <cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>I really don't care if a deer or fish of all things "wants to live". We won't even get into population control, but the fact of the matter is, getting meat for jerky or sausage is more important to me than them running free.</quote> I hope your priorities can be evaluated and improved on in time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DyingPancake 02/01/18 12:30:12 PM #157:	Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... Unless you're going to give me some bullshit on how they take 5 or 10 secs to die once you shoot so thats not the definition then then yes it is "instant". Even if its a bad shot they're still going to die a more humane death. Quick is not instant. It's not bullshit. The word you used was not accurate. DyingPancake posted... I really don't care if a deer or fish of all things "wants to live". We won't even get into population control, but the fact of the matter is, getting meat for jerky or sausage is more important to me than them running free. I hope your priorities can be evaluated and improved on in time The deer I shot last year was a direct hit to the heart. Died instantly lol my priorities. Been hunting and fishing for 20+ years. Won't be stopping anytime soon --- Under a cold October sky, I wait I had ice cream with chill02! <cite>DyingPancake posted [p:895247472] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>Unless you're going to give me some bullshit on how they take 5 or 10 secs to die once you shoot so thats not the definition then then yes it is "instant". Even if its a bad shot they're still going to die a more humane death. </quote> Quick is not instant. It's not bullshit. The word you used was not accurate. <cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>I really don't care if a deer or fish of all things "wants to live". We won't even get into population control, but the fact of the matter is, getting meat for jerky or sausage is more important to me than them running free.</quote> I hope your priorities can be evaluated and improved on in time</quote> The deer I shot last year was a direct hit to the heart. Died instantly lol my priorities. Been hunting and fishing for 20+ years. Won't be stopping anytime soon</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
discodancer77 02/01/18 12:34:44 PM #158:	Shooting a person in the heart/chest wouldnt kill them instantly --- Playing: Kyuyyaku Megami Tensei Part 1 http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198797989609/wishlist/?sort=rank <cite>discodancer77 posted [p:895247722] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>Shooting a person in the heart/chest wouldnt kill them instantly</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DyingPancake 02/01/18 12:44:09 PM #159:	discodancer77 posted... Shooting a person in the heart/chest wouldnt kill them instantly shot to the heart, plust bullet richocet, plus type of bullet, plus bullet caliber can be an instant death But whatever, thats such a dumb thing to get caught up on. You're arguing just to argue at that point. The point I was making is that the death was incredibly fast and more humane than meat you get from the store. If you want to argue something then argue that instead of how I should have put "almost" infront of instant --- Under a cold October sky, I wait I had ice cream with chill02! <cite>DyingPancake posted [p:895248281] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>discodancer77 posted...</cite> <quote>Shooting a person in the heart/chest wouldnt kill them instantly</quote> shot to the heart, plust bullet richocet, plus type of bullet, plus bullet caliber can be an instant death But whatever, thats such a dumb thing to get caught up on. You're arguing just to argue at that point. The point I was making is that the death was incredibly fast and more humane than meat you get from the store. If you want to argue something then argue that instead of how I should have put "almost" infront of instant</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 12:45:42 PM #160:	DyingPancake posted... The point I was making is that the death was incredibly fast and more humane than meat you get from the store. The point others are making is there no humane killing. That's an oxymoron. A more humane way to reach an inhumane end. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895248364] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>The point I was making is that the death was incredibly fast and more humane than meat you get from the store.</quote> The point others are making is there no humane killing. That's an oxymoron. A more humane way to reach an inhumane end. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DyingPancake 02/01/18 12:50:41 PM #161:	Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... The point I was making is that the death was incredibly fast and more humane than meat you get from the store. The point others are making is there no humane killing. That's an oxymoron. A more humane way to reach an inhumane end. It was in comparisson to slaughterhouse meat though. Thats absolutley more humane. There is never going to be an end. There will always be hunting and there will always be people eating meat. Its dumb to hope otherwise --- Under a cold October sky, I wait I had ice cream with chill02! <cite>DyingPancake posted [p:895248670] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>The point I was making is that the death was incredibly fast and more humane than meat you get from the store.</quote> The point others are making is there no humane killing. That's an oxymoron. A more humane way to reach an inhumane end. </quote> It was in comparisson to slaughterhouse meat though. Thats absolutley more humane. There is never going to be an end. There will always be hunting and there will always be people eating meat. Its dumb to hope otherwise</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 12:54:07 PM #162:	DyingPancake posted... Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... The point I was making is that the death was incredibly fast and more humane than meat you get from the store. The point others are making is there no humane killing. That's an oxymoron. A more humane way to reach an inhumane end. It was in comparisson to slaughterhouse meat though. Thats absolutley more humane. There is never going to be an end. There will always be hunting and there will always be people eating meat. Its dumb to hope otherwise Truly most things are more humane than a slaughter house. PETA is a humane saint compared to it. Nah. Not everything stays the same. If meat is truly unhealthy and people care about the environment and animal suffering, eating meat will not necessarily remain the norm. It's not normal in all societies on Earth as it stands currently. There are hundreds of millions of people that do not eat it. It's also not sustainable on the scale it's on now. People are going to have to eat a lot less meat and animal products whether they want to or not. It will not be possible to continue feeding humans this way. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895248868] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>The point I was making is that the death was incredibly fast and more humane than meat you get from the store.</quote> The point others are making is there no humane killing. That's an oxymoron. A more humane way to reach an inhumane end. </quote> It was in comparisson to slaughterhouse meat though. Thats absolutley more humane. There is never going to be an end. There will always be hunting and there will always be people eating meat. Its dumb to hope otherwise</quote> Truly most things are more humane than a slaughter house. PETA is a humane saint compared to it. Nah. Not everything stays the same. If meat is truly unhealthy and people care about the environment and animal suffering, eating meat will not necessarily remain the norm. It's not normal in all societies on Earth as it stands currently. There are hundreds of millions of people that do not eat it. It's also not sustainable on the scale it's on now. People are going to have to eat a lot less meat and animal products whether they want to or not. It will not be possible to continue feeding humans this way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 02/01/18 12:58:55 PM #163:	Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... The point I was making is that the death was incredibly fast and more humane than meat you get from the store. The point others are making is there no humane killing. That's an oxymoron. A more humane way to reach an inhumane end. It was in comparisson to slaughterhouse meat though. Thats absolutley more humane. There is never going to be an end. There will always be hunting and there will always be people eating meat. Its dumb to hope otherwise Truly most things are more humane than a slaughter house. PETA is a humane saint compared to it. Nah. Not everything stays the same. If meat is truly unhealthy and people care about the environment and animal suffering, eating meat will not necessarily remain the norm. It's not normal in all societies on Earth as it stands currently. There are hundreds of millions of people that do not eat it. It's also not sustainable on the scale it's on now. People are going to have to eat a lot less meat and animal products whether they want to or not. It will not be possible to continue feeding humans this way. I think mainstream society will over time switch over to a more plant based diet, but I agree with him in that eating animal products will never truly go away. as long as there's animals there will be people who eat them or milk/eggs/etc. I think that's all he was saying --- Hey what's going on in this thread http://i.imgur.com/6fpKRW8.gif http://i.imgur.com/RNZi0gk.gif <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:895249139] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>The point I was making is that the death was incredibly fast and more humane than meat you get from the store.</quote> The point others are making is there no humane killing. That's an oxymoron. A more humane way to reach an inhumane end. </quote> It was in comparisson to slaughterhouse meat though. Thats absolutley more humane. There is never going to be an end. There will always be hunting and there will always be people eating meat. Its dumb to hope otherwise</quote> Truly most things are more humane than a slaughter house. PETA is a humane saint compared to it. Nah. Not everything stays the same. If meat is truly unhealthy and people care about the environment and animal suffering, eating meat will not necessarily remain the norm. It's not normal in all societies on Earth as it stands currently. There are hundreds of millions of people that do not eat it. It's also not sustainable on the scale it's on now. People are going to have to eat a lot less meat and animal products whether they want to or not. It will not be possible to continue feeding humans this way.</quote> I think mainstream society will over time switch over to a more plant based diet, but I agree with him in that eating animal products will never truly go away. as long as there's animals there will be people who eat them or milk/eggs/etc. I think that's all he was saying</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 1:04:38 PM #164:	ThyCorndog posted... Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... The point I was making is that the death was incredibly fast and more humane than meat you get from the store. The point others are making is there no humane killing. That's an oxymoron. A more humane way to reach an inhumane end. It was in comparisson to slaughterhouse meat though. Thats absolutley more humane. There is never going to be an end. There will always be hunting and there will always be people eating meat. Its dumb to hope otherwise Truly most things are more humane than a slaughter house. PETA is a humane saint compared to it. Nah. Not everything stays the same. If meat is truly unhealthy and people care about the environment and animal suffering, eating meat will not necessarily remain the norm. It's not normal in all societies on Earth as it stands currently. There are hundreds of millions of people that do not eat it. It's also not sustainable on the scale it's on now. People are going to have to eat a lot less meat and animal products whether they want to or not. It will not be possible to continue feeding humans this way. I think mainstream society will over time switch over to a more plant based diet, but I agree with him in that eating animal products will never truly go away. as long as there's animals there will be people who eat them or milk/eggs/etc. I think that's all he was saying There will always be many things that cause harm that people do. Legal or not. Murder. Rape. Child abandonment. Killing animals for pleasure. Will western society change to view the way it treats and kills animals in a negative light? I believe that in time yes it will, if people continue to take action with their own choices and stand up against this as normal behavior. There may still be meat eaters, but I do believe that will not be the norm or what society encourages. It's necessary to treat others with compassion to improve the treatment of all living things. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895249451] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>The point I was making is that the death was incredibly fast and more humane than meat you get from the store.</quote> The point others are making is there no humane killing. That's an oxymoron. A more humane way to reach an inhumane end. </quote> It was in comparisson to slaughterhouse meat though. Thats absolutley more humane. There is never going to be an end. There will always be hunting and there will always be people eating meat. Its dumb to hope otherwise</quote> Truly most things are more humane than a slaughter house. PETA is a humane saint compared to it. Nah. Not everything stays the same. If meat is truly unhealthy and people care about the environment and animal suffering, eating meat will not necessarily remain the norm. It's not normal in all societies on Earth as it stands currently. There are hundreds of millions of people that do not eat it. It's also not sustainable on the scale it's on now. People are going to have to eat a lot less meat and animal products whether they want to or not. It will not be possible to continue feeding humans this way.</quote> I think mainstream society will over time switch over to a more plant based diet, but I agree with him in that eating animal products will never truly go away. as long as there's animals there will be people who eat them or milk/eggs/etc. I think that's all he was saying</quote> There will always be many things that cause harm that people do. Legal or not. Murder. Rape. Child abandonment. Killing animals for pleasure. Will western society change to view the way it treats and kills animals in a negative light? I believe that in time yes it will, if people continue to take action with their own choices and stand up against this as normal behavior. There may still be meat eaters, but I do believe that will not be the norm or what society encourages. It's necessary to treat others with compassion to improve the treatment of all living things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KrustyTheClown 02/01/18 1:31:46 PM #165:	DyingPancake posted... Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted...And hunting absolutely does lessen the consumption of meat bought from a store. Maybe not to the levels you want, but it does make an impact and the animal is killed instantly....do you even hunt? Yes an animal should be killed swiftly. It's not instant. And it's not always swift.The biggest impact is not consuming animals as food at all regardless of whether you put a bullet into it or picked up a styrofoam package of it from a store. Hunting is a step up from factory farmed. However hunting is not how people get most of their meat (even for those that hunt) and it still requires killing something that wanted to live. Unless you're going to give me some bullshit on how they take 5 or 10 secs to die once you shoot so thats not the definition then then yes it is "instant". Even if its a bad shot they're still going to die a more humane death. I really don't care if a deer or fish of all things "wants to live". We won't even get into population control, but the fact of the matter is, getting meat for jerky or sausage is more important to me than them running free. You should. I think more people need to know the truth about it. --- 1, 2, 3, and to the 4. <cite>KrustyTheClown posted [p:895251210] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>DyingPancake posted...And hunting absolutely does lessen the consumption of meat bought from a store. Maybe not to the levels you want, but it does make an impact and the animal is killed instantly....do you even hunt? Yes an animal should be killed swiftly. It's not instant. And it's not always swift.The biggest impact is not consuming animals as food at all regardless of whether you put a bullet into it or picked up a styrofoam package of it from a store. Hunting is a step up from factory farmed. However hunting is not how people get most of their meat (even for those that hunt) and it still requires killing something that wanted to live.</quote> Unless you're going to give me some bullshit on how they take 5 or 10 secs to die once you shoot so thats not the definition then then yes it is "instant". Even if its a bad shot they're still going to die a more humane death. I really don't care if a deer or fish of all things "wants to live". We won't even get into population control, but the fact of the matter is, getting meat for jerky or sausage is more important to me than them running free.</quote> You should. I think more people need to know the truth about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Third_Eye 02/01/18 1:41:58 PM #166:	hurr durr i heard a bunch of memes about vegans and gluten and vaccines and stuff. now i find them annoying and laugh about them this month, its support animals xD xD OH DID YOU HEAR THAT WENDIES WAS MEAN ON TWITTER AGAIN HAHAHA YOLO --- Gen 1 is the only good Pokemon generation <cite>Third_Eye posted [p:895251900] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>hurr durr i heard a bunch of memes about vegans and gluten and vaccines and stuff. now i find them annoying and laugh about them this month, its support animals xD xD OH DID YOU HEAR THAT WENDIES WAS MEAN ON TWITTER AGAIN HAHAHA YOLO</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DyingPancake 02/01/18 1:42:14 PM #167:	KrustyTheClown posted... DyingPancake posted... Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted...And hunting absolutely does lessen the consumption of meat bought from a store. Maybe not to the levels you want, but it does make an impact and the animal is killed instantly....do you even hunt? Yes an animal should be killed swiftly. It's not instant. And it's not always swift.The biggest impact is not consuming animals as food at all regardless of whether you put a bullet into it or picked up a styrofoam package of it from a store. Hunting is a step up from factory farmed. However hunting is not how people get most of their meat (even for those that hunt) and it still requires killing something that wanted to live. Unless you're going to give me some bullshit on how they take 5 or 10 secs to die once you shoot so thats not the definition then then yes it is "instant". Even if its a bad shot they're still going to die a more humane death. I really don't care if a deer or fish of all things "wants to live". We won't even get into population control, but the fact of the matter is, getting meat for jerky or sausage is more important to me than them running free. You should. I think more people need to know the truth about it. There was a topic the other week where I went over the importance of hunting and what it contributes to the environment. It was met with people sticking their fingers in their ears and ignoring every fact that was thrown at them while they insulted me because thats all they could think to do. I honestly don't think I have it in me to do that again. And to be fair Doctor Foxx for the most part has been pretty level headed from what I've seen (same can't be said for some others here), but I can tell it really won't matter what I have to say if it involves an animal being killed so theres probably not much of a point to try. --- Under a cold October sky, I wait I had ice cream with chill02! <cite>DyingPancake posted [p:895251914] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>KrustyTheClown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>DyingPancake posted...And hunting absolutely does lessen the consumption of meat bought from a store. Maybe not to the levels you want, but it does make an impact and the animal is killed instantly....do you even hunt? Yes an animal should be killed swiftly. It's not instant. And it's not always swift.The biggest impact is not consuming animals as food at all regardless of whether you put a bullet into it or picked up a styrofoam package of it from a store. Hunting is a step up from factory farmed. However hunting is not how people get most of their meat (even for those that hunt) and it still requires killing something that wanted to live.</quote> Unless you're going to give me some bullshit on how they take 5 or 10 secs to die once you shoot so thats not the definition then then yes it is "instant". Even if its a bad shot they're still going to die a more humane death. I really don't care if a deer or fish of all things "wants to live". We won't even get into population control, but the fact of the matter is, getting meat for jerky or sausage is more important to me than them running free.</quote> You should. I think more people need to know the truth about it.</quote> There was a topic the other week where I went over the importance of hunting and what it contributes to the environment. It was met with people sticking their fingers in their ears and ignoring every fact that was thrown at them while they insulted me because thats all they could think to do. I honestly don't think I have it in me to do that again. And to be fair Doctor Foxx for the most part has been pretty level headed from what I've seen (same can't be said for some others here), but I can tell it really won't matter what I have to say if it involves an animal being killed so theres probably not much of a point to try.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 02/01/18 4:42:28 PM #168:	Doctor Foxx posted... ThyCorndog posted... Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... The point I was making is that the death was incredibly fast and more humane than meat you get from the store. The point others are making is there no humane killing. That's an oxymoron. A more humane way to reach an inhumane end. It was in comparisson to slaughterhouse meat though. Thats absolutley more humane. There is never going to be an end. There will always be hunting and there will always be people eating meat. Its dumb to hope otherwise Truly most things are more humane than a slaughter house. PETA is a humane saint compared to it. Nah. Not everything stays the same. If meat is truly unhealthy and people care about the environment and animal suffering, eating meat will not necessarily remain the norm. It's not normal in all societies on Earth as it stands currently. There are hundreds of millions of people that do not eat it. It's also not sustainable on the scale it's on now. People are going to have to eat a lot less meat and animal products whether they want to or not. It will not be possible to continue feeding humans this way. I think mainstream society will over time switch over to a more plant based diet, but I agree with him in that eating animal products will never truly go away. as long as there's animals there will be people who eat them or milk/eggs/etc. I think that's all he was saying There will always be many things that cause harm that people do. Legal or not. Murder. Rape. Child abandonment. Killing animals for pleasure. Will western society change to view the way it treats and kills animals in a negative light? I believe that in time yes it will, if people continue to take action with their own choices and stand up against this as normal behavior. There may still be meat eaters, but I do believe that will not be the norm or what society encourages. It's necessary to treat others with compassion to improve the treatment of all living things. This guy just equated eating meat with rape and murder. Vegans are all insane. --- FFX is the best game of all time. The only good Nintendo franchises are Pokemon and Fire Emblem. Comics are for kids. https://i.imgur.com/LJ3WSyB.gif <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:895263229] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>The point I was making is that the death was incredibly fast and more humane than meat you get from the store.</quote> The point others are making is there no humane killing. That's an oxymoron. A more humane way to reach an inhumane end. </quote> It was in comparisson to slaughterhouse meat though. Thats absolutley more humane. There is never going to be an end. There will always be hunting and there will always be people eating meat. Its dumb to hope otherwise</quote> Truly most things are more humane than a slaughter house. PETA is a humane saint compared to it. Nah. Not everything stays the same. If meat is truly unhealthy and people care about the environment and animal suffering, eating meat will not necessarily remain the norm. It's not normal in all societies on Earth as it stands currently. There are hundreds of millions of people that do not eat it. It's also not sustainable on the scale it's on now. People are going to have to eat a lot less meat and animal products whether they want to or not. It will not be possible to continue feeding humans this way.</quote> I think mainstream society will over time switch over to a more plant based diet, but I agree with him in that eating animal products will never truly go away. as long as there's animals there will be people who eat them or milk/eggs/etc. I think that's all he was saying</quote> There will always be many things that cause harm that people do. Legal or not. Murder. Rape. Child abandonment. Killing animals for pleasure. Will western society change to view the way it treats and kills animals in a negative light? I believe that in time yes it will, if people continue to take action with their own choices and stand up against this as normal behavior. There may still be meat eaters, but I do believe that will not be the norm or what society encourages. It's necessary to treat others with compassion to improve the treatment of all living things.</quote> This guy just equated eating meat with rape and murder. Vegans are all insane.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Da-Etiquette 02/01/18 4:47:28 PM #169:	checking in itt my friends going hard --- XXXIstentialcrisis <cite>Da-Etiquette posted [p:895263526] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>checking in itt my friends going hard</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 4:50:09 PM #170:	ColdOne666 posted... This guy just equated eating meat with rape and murder. Vegans are all insane. ? Those listed things are all actions that were much more acceptable in past societies through time. Eventually things become unacceptable as society progresses and protects the vulnerable. Meat eating may well become a similar cultural taboo. I think those acts humans do to each other are far more heinous, however, we can now agree as a society that they're not acceptable. At times they were. Thank goodness we have moved past that. All of those actions cause suffering to a feeling sentient being. That's about where the comparison ends. They're not equivalent acts, the harm is not equal, they do all result in harm to lives. Veganism is about harm reduction with a focus on not harming animals. These creatures can't speak for themselves. It's up to humans to do that. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895263684] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>ColdOne666 posted...</cite> <quote>This guy just equated eating meat with rape and murder. Vegans are all insane.</quote> ? Those listed things are all actions that were much more acceptable in past societies through time. Eventually things become unacceptable as society progresses and protects the vulnerable. Meat eating may well become a similar cultural taboo. I think those acts humans do to each other are far more heinous, however, we can now agree as a society that they're not acceptable. At times they were. Thank goodness we have moved past that. All of those actions cause suffering to a feeling sentient being. That's about where the comparison ends. They're not equivalent acts, the harm is not equal, they do all result in harm to lives. Veganism is about harm reduction with a focus on not harming animals. These creatures can't speak for themselves. It's up to humans to do that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 02/01/18 4:56:31 PM #171:	I love eating stupid and delicious animals --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:895264093] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>I love eating stupid and delicious animals</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 5:03:10 PM #172:	REMercsChamp posted... I love eating stupid and delicious animals They may taste good to you, but nonhuman animals are not stupid. Intelligence is not the basis for whether or not we should eat something. Humans eat pigs and cephalopods, after all. We don't actually make Soylent out of humans with cognitive issues. How smart something seems to you isn't the yardstick for food or not. https://qz.com/1181881/proof-of-animal-cognition-is-recognized-by-new-laws-in-europe/ https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/innovators/2014/05/140528-lori-marino-dolphins-animals-personhood-blackfish-taiji-science-world/ Even "dumb chickens" are complex, intelligent, feeling beings that just interact with the world in a different way. http://bigthink.com/robby-berman/chickens-are-not-dumb-clucks-after-all Humans and animals are sentient beings. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895264540] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>I love eating stupid and delicious animals</quote> They may taste good to you, but nonhuman animals are not stupid. Intelligence is not the basis for whether or not we should eat something. Humans eat pigs and cephalopods, after all. We don't actually make Soylent out of humans with cognitive issues. How smart something seems to you isn't the yardstick for food or not. https://qz.com/1181881/proof-of-animal-cognition-is-recognized-by-new-laws-in-europe/ https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/innovators/2014/05/140528-lori-marino-dolphins-animals-personhood-blackfish-taiji-science-world/ Even "dumb chickens" are complex, intelligent, feeling beings that just interact with the world in a different way. http://bigthink.com/robby-berman/chickens-are-not-dumb-clucks-after-all Humans and animals are sentient beings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 02/01/18 5:06:12 PM #173:	Doctor Foxx posted... REMercsChamp posted... I love eating stupid and delicious animals They may taste good to you, but nonhuman animals are not stupid. Intelligence is not the basis for whether or not we should eat something. Humans eat pigs and cephalopods, after all. We don't actually make Soylent out of humans with cognitive issues. How smart something seems to you isn't the yardstick for food or not. https://qz.com/1181881/proof-of-animal-cognition-is-recognized-by-new-laws-in-europe/ https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/innovators/2014/05/140528-lori-marino-dolphins-animals-personhood-blackfish-taiji-science-world/ Even "dumb chickens" are complex, intelligent, feeling beings that just interact with the world in a different way. http://bigthink.com/robby-berman/chickens-are-not-dumb-clucks-after-all Humans and animals are sentient beings. Shut up dude --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:895264763] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>I love eating stupid and delicious animals</quote> They may taste good to you, but nonhuman animals are not stupid. Intelligence is not the basis for whether or not we should eat something. Humans eat pigs and cephalopods, after all. We don't actually make Soylent out of humans with cognitive issues. How smart something seems to you isn't the yardstick for food or not. https://qz.com/1181881/proof-of-animal-cognition-is-recognized-by-new-laws-in-europe/ https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/innovators/2014/05/140528-lori-marino-dolphins-animals-personhood-blackfish-taiji-science-world/ Even "dumb chickens" are complex, intelligent, feeling beings that just interact with the world in a different way. http://bigthink.com/robby-berman/chickens-are-not-dumb-clucks-after-all Humans and animals are sentient beings.</quote> Shut up dude</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 02/01/18 5:07:02 PM #174:	REMercsChamp posted... Doctor Foxx posted... REMercsChamp posted... I love eating stupid and delicious animals They may taste good to you, but nonhuman animals are not stupid. Intelligence is not the basis for whether or not we should eat something. Humans eat pigs and cephalopods, after all. We don't actually make Soylent out of humans with cognitive issues. How smart something seems to you isn't the yardstick for food or not. https://qz.com/1181881/proof-of-animal-cognition-is-recognized-by-new-laws-in-europe/ https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/innovators/2014/05/140528-lori-marino-dolphins-animals-personhood-blackfish-taiji-science-world/ Even "dumb chickens" are complex, intelligent, feeling beings that just interact with the world in a different way. http://bigthink.com/robby-berman/chickens-are-not-dumb-clucks-after-all Humans and animals are sentient beings. Shut up dude why? not like they said anything incorrect --- Hey what's going on in this thread http://i.imgur.com/6fpKRW8.gif http://i.imgur.com/RNZi0gk.gif <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:895264821] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>I love eating stupid and delicious animals</quote> They may taste good to you, but nonhuman animals are not stupid. Intelligence is not the basis for whether or not we should eat something. Humans eat pigs and cephalopods, after all. We don't actually make Soylent out of humans with cognitive issues. How smart something seems to you isn't the yardstick for food or not. https://qz.com/1181881/proof-of-animal-cognition-is-recognized-by-new-laws-in-europe/ https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/innovators/2014/05/140528-lori-marino-dolphins-animals-personhood-blackfish-taiji-science-world/ Even "dumb chickens" are complex, intelligent, feeling beings that just interact with the world in a different way. http://bigthink.com/robby-berman/chickens-are-not-dumb-clucks-after-all Humans and animals are sentient beings.</quote> Shut up dude</quote> why? not like they said anything incorrect</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 5:07:12 PM #175:	REMercsChamp posted... Doctor Foxx posted... REMercsChamp posted... I love eating stupid and delicious animals They may taste good to you, but nonhuman animals are not stupid. Intelligence is not the basis for whether or not we should eat something. Humans eat pigs and cephalopods, after all. We don't actually make Soylent out of humans with cognitive issues. How smart something seems to you isn't the yardstick for food or not. https://qz.com/1181881/proof-of-animal-cognition-is-recognized-by-new-laws-in-europe/ https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/innovators/2014/05/140528-lori-marino-dolphins-animals-personhood-blackfish-taiji-science-world/ Even "dumb chickens" are complex, intelligent, feeling beings that just interact with the world in a different way. http://bigthink.com/robby-berman/chickens-are-not-dumb-clucks-after-all Humans and animals are sentient beings. Shut up dude Stop killing things for food and I totally will be quiet about people killing animals for food --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895264837] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>I love eating stupid and delicious animals</quote> They may taste good to you, but nonhuman animals are not stupid. Intelligence is not the basis for whether or not we should eat something. Humans eat pigs and cephalopods, after all. We don't actually make Soylent out of humans with cognitive issues. How smart something seems to you isn't the yardstick for food or not. https://qz.com/1181881/proof-of-animal-cognition-is-recognized-by-new-laws-in-europe/ https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/innovators/2014/05/140528-lori-marino-dolphins-animals-personhood-blackfish-taiji-science-world/ Even "dumb chickens" are complex, intelligent, feeling beings that just interact with the world in a different way. http://bigthink.com/robby-berman/chickens-are-not-dumb-clucks-after-all Humans and animals are sentient beings.</quote> Shut up dude</quote> Stop killing things for food and I totally will be quiet about people killing animals for food </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foreverzero212 02/01/18 5:07:21 PM #176:	REMercsChamp posted... I love eating stupid and delicious animals Me too. I'd like to have you for dinner sometime --- lions and panthers oh my <cite>foreverzero212 posted [p:895264849] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>I love eating stupid and delicious animals</quote> Me too. I'd like to have you for dinner sometime </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 5:14:02 PM #178:	foreverzero212 posted... REMercsChamp posted... I love eating stupid and delicious animals Me too. I'd like to have you for dinner sometime I feel like their meat inclusive diet would make the flesh unpalatable, probably benefit from braising in wine and herbs with aromatics. Might cover up the taste enough to choke it down. Asherlee10 posted... I'll never be a vegan, but I'm 100% down for lab-grown meat. It's very cool and probably the future of meat eating! But it still requires animals and painful tissue biopsies (as well as fetal tissue iirc) at this time. It would be great if this progresses soon. Unfortunately the health risks associated with meat consumption will still largely be there. I think it will greatly reduced the dioxins in meat which is beneficial. It's going to take time to get there. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895265288] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>foreverzero212 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>I love eating stupid and delicious animals</quote> Me too. I'd like to have you for dinner sometime </quote> I feel like their meat inclusive diet would make the flesh unpalatable, probably benefit from braising in wine and herbs with aromatics. Might cover up the taste enough to choke it down. <cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>I'll never be a vegan, but I'm 100% down for lab-grown meat.</quote> It's very cool and probably the future of meat eating! But it still requires animals and painful tissue biopsies (as well as fetal tissue iirc) at this time. It would be great if this progresses soon. Unfortunately the health risks associated with meat consumption will still largely be there. I think it will greatly reduced the dioxins in meat which is beneficial. It's going to take time to get there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 02/01/18 5:15:43 PM #179:	DyingPancake posted... Its not going to stop others from buying meat. That's where you're wrong. I'm going vegetarian or vegan soon thanks to info I've gathered from threads like this. ColdOne666 posted... This guy just equated eating meat with rape and murder. Vegans are all insane. Why do people here have such a tough time with analogies? It was perfectly apt. --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:895265402] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>Its not going to stop others from buying meat. </quote> That's where you're wrong. I'm going vegetarian or vegan soon thanks to info I've gathered from threads like this. <cite>ColdOne666 posted...</cite> <quote>This guy just equated eating meat with rape and murder. Vegans are all insane.</quote> Why do people here have such a tough time with analogies? It was perfectly apt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 02/01/18 5:18:14 PM #180:	Doctor Foxx posted... foreverzero212 posted... REMercsChamp posted... I love eating stupid and delicious animals Me too. I'd like to have you for dinner sometime I feel like their meat inclusive diet would make the flesh unpalatable, probably benefit from braising in wine and herbs with aromatics. Might cover up the taste enough to choke it down. Asherlee10 posted... I'll never be a vegan, but I'm 100% down for lab-grown meat. It's very cool and probably the future of meat eating! But it still requires animals and painful tissue biopsies (as well as fetal tissue iirc) at this time. It would be great if this progresses soon. Unfortunately the health risks associated with meat consumption will still largely be there. I think it will greatly reduced the dioxins in meat which is beneficial. It's going to take time to get there. if there was a way to grow meat without hurting any animals and genetically modify it so none of the negative drawbacks are there, how would you feel about it? do you think vegans would eat this artificially grown meat by and large or would they generally still be against it? --- Hey what's going on in this thread http://i.imgur.com/6fpKRW8.gif http://i.imgur.com/RNZi0gk.gif <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:895265570] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>foreverzero212 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>I love eating stupid and delicious animals</quote> Me too. I'd like to have you for dinner sometime </quote> I feel like their meat inclusive diet would make the flesh unpalatable, probably benefit from braising in wine and herbs with aromatics. Might cover up the taste enough to choke it down. <cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>I'll never be a vegan, but I'm 100% down for lab-grown meat.</quote> It's very cool and probably the future of meat eating! But it still requires animals and painful tissue biopsies (as well as fetal tissue iirc) at this time. It would be great if this progresses soon. Unfortunately the health risks associated with meat consumption will still largely be there. I think it will greatly reduced the dioxins in meat which is beneficial. It's going to take time to get there. </quote> if there was a way to grow meat without hurting any animals and genetically modify it so none of the negative drawbacks are there, how would you feel about it? do you think vegans would eat this artificially grown meat by and large or would they generally still be against it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 5:21:41 PM #181:	ThyCorndog posted... if there was a way to grow meat without hurting any animals and genetically modify it so none of the negative drawbacks are there, how would you feel about it? do you think vegans would eat this artificially grown meat by and large or would they generally still be against it? I think that would be great and such a benefit to humanity and the planet! That said I personally would not eat it. At this time flesh is no longer food for me. I don't think that meat would be free of the health issues either. For those reasons I'd be thrilled if it existed but reluctant to have it myself. Some vegans may eat it. I know some that wouldn't. But it's really about getting those that eat meat to eat something more sustainable. I really do love tofu and there's so many amazing ways to get protein from plant based foods. I kind of dig the variety and trying out things in the kitchen. Getting protein from plants is going to be healthier than getting it from lab meat, even if lab meat is healthier than factory farmed. Plant protein is best! --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895265782] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>if there was a way to grow meat without hurting any animals and genetically modify it so none of the negative drawbacks are there, how would you feel about it? do you think vegans would eat this artificially grown meat by and large or would they generally still be against it?</quote> I think that would be great and such a benefit to humanity and the planet! That said I personally would not eat it. At this time flesh is no longer food for me. I don't think that meat would be free of the health issues either. For those reasons I'd be thrilled if it existed but reluctant to have it myself. Some vegans may eat it. I know some that wouldn't. But it's really about getting those that eat meat to eat something more sustainable. I really do love tofu and there's so many amazing ways to get protein from plant based foods. I kind of dig the variety and trying out things in the kitchen. Getting protein from plants is going to be healthier than getting it from lab meat, even if lab meat is healthier than factory farmed. Plant protein is best! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 02/01/18 5:31:25 PM #182:	Doctor Foxx posted... ThyCorndog posted... if there was a way to grow meat without hurting any animals and genetically modify it so none of the negative drawbacks are there, how would you feel about it? do you think vegans would eat this artificially grown meat by and large or would they generally still be against it? I think that would be great and such a benefit to humanity and the planet! That said I personally would not eat it. At this time flesh is no longer food for me. I don't think that meat would be free of the health issues either. For those reasons I'd be thrilled if it existed but reluctant to have it myself. Some vegans may eat it. I know some that wouldn't. But it's really about getting those that eat meat to eat something more sustainable. I really do love tofu and there's so many amazing ways to get protein from plant based foods. I kind of dig the variety and trying out things in the kitchen. Getting protein from plants is going to be healthier than getting it from lab meat, even if lab meat is healthier than factory farmed. Plant protein is best! yeah I've been eating vegan about half the time these last couple of months, compared to basically none of the time before that. it's a bit mind blowing how real some of the imitation stuff is. i've had vegan ground beef and chicken that tastes and feels as if it were actual meat. I think if more people were willing to try that kind of stuff they would cut down on their meat consumption --- Hey what's going on in this thread http://i.imgur.com/6fpKRW8.gif http://i.imgur.com/RNZi0gk.gif <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:895266418] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>if there was a way to grow meat without hurting any animals and genetically modify it so none of the negative drawbacks are there, how would you feel about it? do you think vegans would eat this artificially grown meat by and large or would they generally still be against it?</quote> I think that would be great and such a benefit to humanity and the planet! That said I personally would not eat it. At this time flesh is no longer food for me. I don't think that meat would be free of the health issues either. For those reasons I'd be thrilled if it existed but reluctant to have it myself. Some vegans may eat it. I know some that wouldn't. But it's really about getting those that eat meat to eat something more sustainable. I really do love tofu and there's so many amazing ways to get protein from plant based foods. I kind of dig the variety and trying out things in the kitchen. Getting protein from plants is going to be healthier than getting it from lab meat, even if lab meat is healthier than factory farmed. Plant protein is best! </quote> yeah I've been eating vegan about half the time these last couple of months, compared to basically none of the time before that. it's a bit mind blowing how real some of the imitation stuff is. i've had vegan ground beef and chicken that tastes and feels as if it were actual meat. I think if more people were willing to try that kind of stuff they would cut down on their meat consumption</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/01/18 5:33:42 PM #183:	Doctor Foxx posted... REMercsChamp posted... I love eating stupid and delicious animals They may taste good to you, but nonhuman animals are not stupid. Intelligence is not the basis for whether or not we should eat something. Humans eat pigs and cephalopods, after all. We don't actually make Soylent out of humans with cognitive issues. How smart something seems to you isn't the yardstick for food or not. https://qz.com/1181881/proof-of-animal-cognition-is-recognized-by-new-laws-in-europe/ http://www.newsweek.com/cow-cattle-animal-intelligence-science-personalities-emotion-697979 https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/28/alien-intelligence-the-extraordinary-minds-of-octopuses-and-other-cephalopods https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/12/animals-grieving-peccaries-death-mourning/ https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/innovators/2014/05/140528-lori-marino-dolphins-animals-personhood-blackfish-taiji-science-world/ Even "dumb chickens" are complex, intelligent, feeling beings that just interact with the world in a different way. http://bigthink.com/robby-berman/chickens-are-not-dumb-clucks-after-all Humans and animals are sentient beings. seasons a steak --- Do good. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895266552] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>I love eating stupid and delicious animals</quote> They may taste good to you, but nonhuman animals are not stupid. Intelligence is not the basis for whether or not we should eat something. Humans eat pigs and cephalopods, after all. We don't actually make Soylent out of humans with cognitive issues. How smart something seems to you isn't the yardstick for food or not. https://qz.com/1181881/proof-of-animal-cognition-is-recognized-by-new-laws-in-europe/ http://www.newsweek.com/cow-cattle-animal-intelligence-science-personalities-emotion-697979 https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/28/alien-intelligence-the-extraordinary-minds-of-octopuses-and-other-cephalopods https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/12/animals-grieving-peccaries-death-mourning/ https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/innovators/2014/05/140528-lori-marino-dolphins-animals-personhood-blackfish-taiji-science-world/ Even "dumb chickens" are complex, intelligent, feeling beings that just interact with the world in a different way. http://bigthink.com/robby-berman/chickens-are-not-dumb-clucks-after-all Humans and animals are sentient beings.</quote> seasons a steak</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yennefer 02/01/18 5:35:58 PM #184:	I tried to be a vegan for a couple months but uhh... <cite>Yennefer posted [p:895266672] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>I tried to be a vegan for a couple months but uhh...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 02/01/18 5:36:52 PM #185:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Got eem --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:895266720] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> Got eem</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 5:41:06 PM #186:	ThyCorndog posted... Doctor Foxx posted... ThyCorndog posted... if there was a way to grow meat without hurting any animals and genetically modify it so none of the negative drawbacks are there, how would you feel about it? do you think vegans would eat this artificially grown meat by and large or would they generally still be against it? I think that would be great and such a benefit to humanity and the planet! That said I personally would not eat it. At this time flesh is no longer food for me. I don't think that meat would be free of the health issues either. For those reasons I'd be thrilled if it existed but reluctant to have it myself. Some vegans may eat it. I know some that wouldn't. But it's really about getting those that eat meat to eat something more sustainable. I really do love tofu and there's so many amazing ways to get protein from plant based foods. I kind of dig the variety and trying out things in the kitchen. Getting protein from plants is going to be healthier than getting it from lab meat, even if lab meat is healthier than factory farmed. Plant protein is best! yeah I've been eating vegan about half the time these last couple of months, compared to basically none of the time before that. it's a bit mind blowing how real some of the imitation stuff is. i've had vegan ground beef and chicken that tastes and feels as if it were actual meat. I think if more people were willing to try that kind of stuff they would cut down on their meat consumption I have a nonvegan partner. When I started he was not really on board with it. Saying anything was vegan whatever put him off. So I just cooked food and sent him home with leftovers every time he visited. Little things here and there. Now he sends me pictures of the veg meal he makes or photos of my veg stuff. He was a pretty hardcore meat eater. I don't expect him to change for me but the food itself has changed his opinion. He's totally fine with me cooking only vegan. Now he only eats meat some days. Should we move in together I told him only vegan food prepared by me and he is actually happy about that. He likes the vegetarian and vegan dishes a lot but has no idea how to cook it himself. You're very right that the options exist and are delicious. I eat so much better now than when I just relied on putting meat or cheese in something to fill it out or add salt/fat. My sister's chef partner has said the same of them transitioning to vegan, it opened his culinary world. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895266959] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>if there was a way to grow meat without hurting any animals and genetically modify it so none of the negative drawbacks are there, how would you feel about it? do you think vegans would eat this artificially grown meat by and large or would they generally still be against it?</quote> I think that would be great and such a benefit to humanity and the planet! That said I personally would not eat it. At this time flesh is no longer food for me. I don't think that meat would be free of the health issues either. For those reasons I'd be thrilled if it existed but reluctant to have it myself. Some vegans may eat it. I know some that wouldn't. But it's really about getting those that eat meat to eat something more sustainable. I really do love tofu and there's so many amazing ways to get protein from plant based foods. I kind of dig the variety and trying out things in the kitchen. Getting protein from plants is going to be healthier than getting it from lab meat, even if lab meat is healthier than factory farmed. Plant protein is best! </quote> yeah I've been eating vegan about half the time these last couple of months, compared to basically none of the time before that. it's a bit mind blowing how real some of the imitation stuff is. i've had vegan ground beef and chicken that tastes and feels as if it were actual meat. I think if more people were willing to try that kind of stuff they would cut down on their meat consumption</quote> I have a nonvegan partner. When I started he was not really on board with it. Saying anything was vegan whatever put him off. So I just cooked food and sent him home with leftovers every time he visited. Little things here and there. Now he sends me pictures of the veg meal he makes or photos of my veg stuff. He was a pretty hardcore meat eater. I don't expect him to change for me but the food itself has changed his opinion. He's totally fine with me cooking only vegan. Now he only eats meat some days. Should we move in together I told him only vegan food prepared by me and he is actually happy about that. He likes the vegetarian and vegan dishes a lot but has no idea how to cook it himself. You're very right that the options exist and are delicious. I eat so much better now than when I just relied on putting meat or cheese in something to fill it out or add salt/fat. My sister's chef partner has said the same of them transitioning to vegan, it opened his culinary world.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/01/18 5:45:27 PM #187:	Doctor Foxx posted... My sister pics for verification threateningly shakes pork chop do it now --- Do good. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:895267237] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>My sister</quote> pics for verification threateningly shakes pork chop do it now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 5:50:48 PM #188:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Doctor Foxx posted... My sister pics for verification threateningly shakes pork chop do it now She's an established alternative model. No thanks we respect each other. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895267533] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>My sister</quote> pics for verification threateningly shakes pork chop do it now</quote> She's an established alternative model. No thanks we respect each other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DyingPancake 02/01/18 6:35:20 PM #189:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... DyingPancake posted... Its not going to stop others from buying meat. That's where you're wrong. I'm going vegetarian or vegan soon thanks to info I've gathered from threads like this. ColdOne666 posted... This guy just equated eating meat with rape and murder. Vegans are all insane. Why do people here have such a tough time with analogies? It was perfectly apt. Dude, dont be that guy. You know when I say that it doesnt mean literally everyone. It means as a whole --- Under a cold October sky, I wait I had ice cream with chill02! <cite>DyingPancake posted [p:895270214] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>Its not going to stop others from buying meat. </quote> That's where you're wrong. I'm going vegetarian or vegan soon thanks to info I've gathered from threads like this. <cite>ColdOne666 posted...</cite> <quote>This guy just equated eating meat with rape and murder. Vegans are all insane.</quote> Why do people here have such a tough time with analogies? It was perfectly apt.</quote> Dude, dont be that guy. You know when I say that it doesnt mean literally everyone. It means as a whole</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 02/01/18 6:40:01 PM #190:	DyingPancake posted... Dude, dont be that guy. You know when I say that it doesnt mean literally everyone. It means as a whole What the fuck is the point of saying that then? Pretty sure TC and other vegans would be happy as a clam (a delightful creature that we should all cherish) to learn that one person was convinced --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:895270530] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>Dude, dont be that guy. You know when I say that it doesnt mean literally everyone. It means as a whole</quote> What the fuck is the point of saying that then? Pretty sure TC and other vegans would be happy as a clam (a delightful creature that we should all cherish) to learn that one person was convinced</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 6:43:47 PM #191:	DyingPancake posted... Giblet_Enjoyer posted... DyingPancake posted... Its not going to stop others from buying meat. That's where you're wrong. I'm going vegetarian or vegan soon thanks to info I've gathered from threads like this. ColdOne666 posted... This guy just equated eating meat with rape and murder. Vegans are all insane. Why do people here have such a tough time with analogies? It was perfectly apt. Dude, dont be that guy. You know when I say that it doesnt mean literally everyone. It means as a whole Even one person is a difference. So what is your point? Not enough people making changes? Shit takes time. It's still some people. Why bother to say it won't stop others when it actually does? Maybe it won't stop you today. Giblet_Enjoyer posted... DyingPancake posted... Dude, dont be that guy. You know when I say that it doesnt mean literally everyone. It means as a whole What the fuck is the point of saying that then? Pretty sure TC and other vegans would be happy as a clam (a delightful creature that we should all cherish) to learn that one person was convinced I'm happy when people do things like meatless Monday! And that's just a couple of meals without meat. It's all something. When people say they've read things online and it helped them to consider reducing their animal product consumption that is fan-fucking-tastic. I'm happier than a clam. I'm happy like a cat rolling in dirt in the sun --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895270803] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>Its not going to stop others from buying meat. </quote> That's where you're wrong. I'm going vegetarian or vegan soon thanks to info I've gathered from threads like this. <cite>ColdOne666 posted...</cite> <quote>This guy just equated eating meat with rape and murder. Vegans are all insane.</quote> Why do people here have such a tough time with analogies? It was perfectly apt.</quote> Dude, dont be that guy. You know when I say that it doesnt mean literally everyone. It means as a whole</quote> Even one person is a difference. So what is your point? Not enough people making changes? Shit takes time. It's still some people. Why bother to say it won't stop others when it actually does? Maybe it won't stop you today. <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>Dude, dont be that guy. You know when I say that it doesnt mean literally everyone. It means as a whole</quote> What the fuck is the point of saying that then? Pretty sure TC and other vegans would be happy as a clam (a delightful creature that we should all cherish) to learn that one person was convinced</quote> I'm happy when people do things like meatless Monday! And that's just a couple of meals without meat. It's all something. When people say they've read things online and it helped them to consider reducing their animal product consumption that is fan-fucking-tastic. I'm happier than a clam. I'm happy like a cat rolling in dirt in the sun</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DyingPancake 02/01/18 6:46:12 PM #192:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... DyingPancake posted... Dude, dont be that guy. You know when I say that it doesnt mean literally everyone. It means as a whole What the fuck is the point of saying that then? Pretty sure TC and other vegans would be happy as a clam (a delightful creature that we should all cherish) to learn that one person was convinced Dont freak out about it I said it because it related to the conversation --- Under a cold October sky, I wait I had ice cream with chill02! <cite>DyingPancake posted [p:895270956] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>Dude, dont be that guy. You know when I say that it doesnt mean literally everyone. It means as a whole</quote> What the fuck is the point of saying that then? Pretty sure TC and other vegans would be happy as a clam (a delightful creature that we should all cherish) to learn that one person was convinced</quote> Dont freak out about it I said it because it related to the conversation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DyingPancake 02/01/18 6:47:38 PM #193:	Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... Giblet_Enjoyer posted... DyingPancake posted... Its not going to stop others from buying meat. That's where you're wrong. I'm going vegetarian or vegan soon thanks to info I've gathered from threads like this. ColdOne666 posted... This guy just equated eating meat with rape and murder. Vegans are all insane. Why do people here have such a tough time with analogies? It was perfectly apt. Dude, dont be that guy. You know when I say that it doesnt mean literally everyone. It means as a whole Even one person is a difference. So what is your point? Not enough people making changes? Shit takes time. It's still some people. Why bother to say it won't stop others when it actually does? Maybe it won't stop you today. Giblet_Enjoyer posted... DyingPancake posted... Dude, dont be that guy. You know when I say that it doesnt mean literally everyone. It means as a whole What the fuck is the point of saying that then? Pretty sure TC and other vegans would be happy as a clam (a delightful creature that we should all cherish) to learn that one person was convinced I'm happy when people do things like meatless Monday! And that's just a couple of meals without meat. It's all something. When people say they've read things online and it helped them to consider reducing their animal product consumption that is fan-fucking-tastic. I'm happier than a clam. I'm happy like a cat rolling in dirt in the sun It was a general point. If youre going to take it literally youre not capabale of an actual discussion --- Under a cold October sky, I wait I had ice cream with chill02! <cite>DyingPancake posted [p:895271045] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>Its not going to stop others from buying meat. </quote> That's where you're wrong. I'm going vegetarian or vegan soon thanks to info I've gathered from threads like this. <cite>ColdOne666 posted...</cite> <quote>This guy just equated eating meat with rape and murder. Vegans are all insane.</quote> Why do people here have such a tough time with analogies? It was perfectly apt.</quote> Dude, dont be that guy. You know when I say that it doesnt mean literally everyone. It means as a whole</quote> Even one person is a difference. So what is your point? Not enough people making changes? Shit takes time. It's still some people. Why bother to say it won't stop others when it actually does? Maybe it won't stop you today. <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>Dude, dont be that guy. You know when I say that it doesnt mean literally everyone. It means as a whole</quote> What the fuck is the point of saying that then? Pretty sure TC and other vegans would be happy as a clam (a delightful creature that we should all cherish) to learn that one person was convinced</quote> I'm happy when people do things like meatless Monday! And that's just a couple of meals without meat. It's all something. When people say they've read things online and it helped them to consider reducing their animal product consumption that is fan-fucking-tastic. I'm happier than a clam. I'm happy like a cat rolling in dirt in the sun</quote> It was a general point. If youre going to take it literally youre not capabale of an actual discussion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 6:54:35 PM #194:	DyingPancake posted... It was a general point. If youre going to take it literally youre not capabale of an actual discussion Coming from you? Lol beautiful It wasn't taken literally. It was just a statement you made that was not factual or helpful in any discussion. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895271454] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>It was a general point. If youre going to take it literally youre not capabale of an actual discussion</quote> Coming from you? Lol beautiful It wasn't taken literally. It was just a statement you made that was not factual or helpful in any discussion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DyingPancake 02/01/18 6:59:28 PM #195:	Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... It was a general point. If youre going to take it literally youre not capabale of an actual discussion Coming from you? Lol beautiful It wasn't taken literally. It was just a statement you made that was not factual or helpful in any discussion. Not sure why I gave you the benefit of the doubt and said it seemed like you had a level head. If you cant grasp simple things like generalizations thats pretty bad and a huge misjudgment on my part Of course I meant not one person would ever stop eating meat. Thats logical and makes plenty of sense! --- Under a cold October sky, I wait I had ice cream with chill02! <cite>DyingPancake posted [p:895271752] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>It was a general point. If youre going to take it literally youre not capabale of an actual discussion</quote> Coming from you? Lol beautiful It wasn't taken literally. It was just a statement you made that was not factual or helpful in any discussion.</quote> Not sure why I gave you the benefit of the doubt and said it seemed like you had a level head. If you cant grasp simple things like generalizations thats pretty bad and a huge misjudgment on my part Of course I meant not one person would ever stop eating meat. Thats logical and makes plenty of sense!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 02/01/18 7:01:00 PM #196:	DyingPancake posted... Dont freak out about it I said it because it related to the conversation Don't freak out about it?? DON'T FUCKING FREAK OUT ABOUT IT?!?! breaks beer bottle on counter --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:895271855] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>Dont freak out about it I said it because it related to the conversation</quote> Don't freak out about it?? DON'T FUCKING FREAK OUT ABOUT IT?!?! breaks beer bottle on counter</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DyingPancake 02/01/18 7:02:32 PM #197:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... DyingPancake posted... Dont freak out about it I said it because it related to the conversation Don't freak out about it?? DON'T FUCKING FREAK OUT ABOUT IT?!?! breaks beer bottle on counter No weapons man Vegans aint about dat life --- Under a cold October sky, I wait I had ice cream with chill02! <cite>DyingPancake posted [p:895271972] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>Dont freak out about it I said it because it related to the conversation</quote> Don't freak out about it?? DON'T FUCKING FREAK OUT ABOUT IT?!?! breaks beer bottle on counter</quote> No weapons man Vegans aint about dat life</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 7:07:11 PM #198:	DyingPancake posted... Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... It was a general point. If youre going to take it literally youre not capabale of an actual discussion Coming from you? Lol beautiful It wasn't taken literally. It was just a statement you made that was not factual or helpful in any discussion. Not sure why I gave you the benefit of the doubt and said it seemed like you had a level head. If you cant grasp simple things like generalizations thats pretty bad and a huge misjudgment on my part Of course I meant not one person would ever stop eating meat. Thats logical and makes plenty of sense! Ok but here the thing: what does your dismissive attitude of "people don't listen to this and won't change" actually do? What does making a statement like that do for a conversation or for a life attitude in general? Yeah I get that you didn't mean not one human on the planet ever would make any changes to diet or lifestyle. No one here is thinking you were literally saying every human. Not are people here thinking this is going to change things for most people or everyone. But. Any awareness raised is great. The world doesn't change all at once in one rapid movement. So the dismissive attitude is not really helpful. Or promoting discussion beyond some roundabout "you took my inaccurate generalizing statement too literally." I get that it's not accurate. and what I'm saying is that it's kind of rude and unhelpful to interject with that. It's being dismissive instead of being informative or furthering discussion on the topic at hand. Which is veganism. What it's about and how you can do it. Not whether or not you literally meant every person. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895272275] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>It was a general point. If youre going to take it literally youre not capabale of an actual discussion</quote> Coming from you? Lol beautiful It wasn't taken literally. It was just a statement you made that was not factual or helpful in any discussion.</quote> Not sure why I gave you the benefit of the doubt and said it seemed like you had a level head. If you cant grasp simple things like generalizations thats pretty bad and a huge misjudgment on my part Of course I meant not one person would ever stop eating meat. Thats logical and makes plenty of sense!</quote> Ok but here the thing: what does your dismissive attitude of "people don't listen to this and won't change" actually do? What does making a statement like that do for a conversation or for a life attitude in general? Yeah I get that you didn't mean not one human on the planet ever would make any changes to diet or lifestyle. No one here is thinking you were literally saying every human. Not are people here thinking this is going to change things for most people or everyone. But. Any awareness raised is great. The world doesn't change all at once in one rapid movement. So the dismissive attitude is not really helpful. Or promoting discussion beyond some roundabout "you took my inaccurate generalizing statement too literally." I get that it's not accurate. and what I'm saying is that it's kind of rude and unhelpful to interject with that. It's being dismissive instead of being informative or furthering discussion on the topic at hand. Which is veganism. What it's about and how you can do it. Not whether or not you literally meant every person. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DyingPancake 02/01/18 7:19:28 PM #199:	Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... Doctor Foxx posted... DyingPancake posted... It was a general point. If youre going to take it literally youre not capabale of an actual discussion Coming from you? Lol beautiful It wasn't taken literally. It was just a statement you made that was not factual or helpful in any discussion. Not sure why I gave you the benefit of the doubt and said it seemed like you had a level head. If you cant grasp simple things like generalizations thats pretty bad and a huge misjudgment on my part Of course I meant not one person would ever stop eating meat. Thats logical and makes plenty of sense! Ok but here the thing: what does your dismissive attitude of "people don't listen to this and won't change" actually do? What does making a statement like that do for a conversation or for a life attitude in general? Yeah I get that you didn't mean not one human on the planet ever would make any changes to diet or lifestyle. No one here is thinking you were literally saying every human. Not are people here thinking this is going to change things for most people or everyone. But. Any awareness raised is great. The world doesn't change all at once in one rapid movement. So the dismissive attitude is not really helpful. Or promoting discussion beyond some roundabout "you took my inaccurate generalizing statement too literally." I get that it's not accurate. and what I'm saying is that it's kind of rude and unhelpful to interject with that. It's being dismissive instead of being informative or furthering discussion on the topic at hand. Which is veganism. What it's about and how you can do it. Not whether or not you literally meant every person. Because earlier you were talking about a day when we wouldnt kill animals. Which is why I said humans will never stop eating meat or hunting. Trying to pick apart each thing I say makes it sound like you have nothing important to say. Just like when I used the word instant. You knew exactly what I was saying yet you harped on it for the literal meaning. Its bizzare and weakens your actual argument --- Under a cold October sky, I wait I had ice cream with chill02! <cite>DyingPancake posted [p:895273035] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote>It was a general point. If youre going to take it literally youre not capabale of an actual discussion</quote> Coming from you? Lol beautiful It wasn't taken literally. It was just a statement you made that was not factual or helpful in any discussion.</quote> Not sure why I gave you the benefit of the doubt and said it seemed like you had a level head. If you cant grasp simple things like generalizations thats pretty bad and a huge misjudgment on my part Of course I meant not one person would ever stop eating meat. Thats logical and makes plenty of sense!</quote> Ok but here the thing: what does your dismissive attitude of "people don't listen to this and won't change" actually do? What does making a statement like that do for a conversation or for a life attitude in general? Yeah I get that you didn't mean not one human on the planet ever would make any changes to diet or lifestyle. No one here is thinking you were literally saying every human. Not are people here thinking this is going to change things for most people or everyone. But. Any awareness raised is great. The world doesn't change all at once in one rapid movement. So the dismissive attitude is not really helpful. Or promoting discussion beyond some roundabout "you took my inaccurate generalizing statement too literally." I get that it's not accurate. and what I'm saying is that it's kind of rude and unhelpful to interject with that. It's being dismissive instead of being informative or furthering discussion on the topic at hand. Which is veganism. What it's about and how you can do it. Not whether or not you literally meant every person. </quote> Because earlier you were talking about a day when we wouldnt kill animals. Which is why I said humans will never stop eating meat or hunting. Trying to pick apart each thing I say makes it sound like you have nothing important to say. Just like when I used the word instant. You knew exactly what I was saying yet you harped on it for the literal meaning. Its bizzare and weakens your actual argument</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 02/01/18 7:24:14 PM #200:	Back to actual veganism: my dad doesn't really understand it. He loves meat. Any time I visit he hassles me about what I can and cannot eat and is worried I don't eat enough good food. Even though when I visit and vegan meals are made they're healthy and filling and he likes them. Silly dad. Yesterday he was texting me asking for seitan recipes! I was shocked. I'm kind of proud of him for trying to eat less meat. He recently battled cancer. I showed him studies about plant protein and cancer compared to animal protein and cancer but never was pushy. He seems to want to really cut back on meat and dairy, so I am really happy for him. Now I am curating my best seitan recipes for him to try making it. Anyone else that's vegetarian/vegan have veg family members? My one sister has been vegetarian for a while and trying to go vegan, the other sister is mostly vegetarian. I think she's back to pescatarian at this point. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:895273356] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>Back to actual veganism: my dad doesn't really understand it. He loves meat. Any time I visit he hassles me about what I can and cannot eat and is worried I don't eat enough good food. Even though when I visit and vegan meals are made they're healthy and filling and he likes them. Silly dad. Yesterday he was texting me asking for seitan recipes! I was shocked. I'm kind of proud of him for trying to eat less meat. He recently battled cancer. I showed him studies about plant protein and cancer compared to animal protein and cancer but never was pushy. He seems to want to really cut back on meat and dairy, so I am really happy for him. Now I am curating my best seitan recipes for him to try making it. Anyone else that's vegetarian/vegan have veg family members? My one sister has been vegetarian for a while and trying to go vegan, the other sister is mostly vegetarian. I think she's back to pescatarian at this point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DyingPancake 02/01/18 7:26:16 PM #201:	Good Glad you saw my point --- Under a cold October sky, I wait I had ice cream with chill02! <cite>DyingPancake posted [p:895273483] in anyone els... [t:76267176]...</cite> <quote>Good Glad you saw my point</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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