Current Events > Detroit - what went wrong?

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srsly, wtf man?
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Democrats.
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Americans
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David Cage
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Democrat leadership
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HypnoCoosh posted...

Democrats.

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John_Galt posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

Democrats.

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I wonder if anyone will get modded in this topic
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Robocop was right
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You put Democrats in charge of anything for a significant duration, it will go to shit.
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Ironic the pic has Hiroshima as the Japanese car industry taking over in America didn't help
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Honda, Toyota, and the UAW.
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CElibs blame racism and capitalism, but

Sephiroth1288 posted...

John_Galt posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

Democrats.

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Tupacrulez posted...

Honda, Toyota, and the UAW.

How did Honda and Toyota contribute?
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r4X0r posted...

You put Democrats in charge of anything for a significant duration, it will go to shit.

STOP! jesus stop with the partisan bull shit

There are states/cities in the south that are worse than detroit and never even been close to what detroit is/was.
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The city's entire economy was essentially tied to a single industry, and when that went south the city couldn't handle it as they were too big to sustain itself with it mostly leaving.
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youngfossil posted...

r4X0r posted...

You put Democrats in charge of anything for a significant duration, it will go to shit.

STOP! jesus stop with the partisan bull shit

There are states/cities in the south that are worse than detroit and never even been close to what detroit is/was.

Sephiroth1288 posted...

John_Galt posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

Also Democrats.

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K181 posted...

The city's entire economy was essentially tied to a single industry, and when that went south the city couldn't handle it as they were too big to sustain itself with it mostly leaving.

This is pretty much bang on.

It's slowly being revitalized though which is nice to see.
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youngfossil posted...

r4X0r posted...

You put Democrats in charge of anything for a significant duration, it will go to shit.

STOP! jesus stop with the partisan bull shit

There are states/cities in the south that are worse than detroit and never even been close to what detroit is/was.

Name some cities that have been under Democrat control as long/nearly as long as Detroit has
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

youngfossil posted...

r4X0r posted...

You put Democrats in charge of anything for a significant duration, it will go to shit.

STOP! jesus stop with the partisan bull shit

There are states/cities in the south that are worse than detroit and never even been close to what detroit is/was.

Sephiroth1288 posted...

John_Galt posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

Also Democrats.

This post makes no sense. Are you trying to be clever cause you look like a fool.
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Democratic leadership

K181 posted...

The city's entire economy was essentially tied to a single industry, and when that went south the city couldn't handle it as they were too big to sustain itself with it mostly leaving.

Why did the industry move out though

Could it have been thanks to Democrat-backed union demands that made cars manufactured there uncompetative?
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Why did the industry move out though

Cheaper foreign labor.

Add economics to the big list of shit mal doesn't understand.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Why did the industry move out though

Cheaper foreign labor.

And foreign labor was so much cheaper because:

Sephiroth1288 posted...

thanks to Democrat-backed union demands that made cars manufactured there uncompetative

;)
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

K181 posted...

The city's entire economy was essentially tied to a single industry, and when that went south the city couldn't handle it as they were too big to sustain itself with it mostly leaving.

Why did the industry move out though

Could it have been thanks to Democrat-backed union demands that made cars manufactured there uncompetative?

Automobile history 101

When the first gas shock hit, the American automotive industry was caught completely unprepared as they never cared about miles per gallon with their product, which opened the door to European and especially Japanese manufacturers that had been moving on that front for years, if not decades. That left us behind the 8-ball throughout the late 70s up until the mid 90s, and by the time we caught up the damage had been done. Detroit needed the American auto share to not just be a majority but a lion's share of the overall market to sustain itself, and that was no longer the case.

The downward spiral was in full effect, and overall globalization standards lead to even more jobs leaving the country for lower wages than would've been offered anywhere in the US and were also increasingly automatized. If you kept every single auto manufacturer as they always were in Detroit, the city still would've been in a horrible position as automation resulted in significantly fewer jobs, which wouldn't have been enough to remotely sustain the size that the city had grown to.

So, no. It's not a democrat versus republican thing. Fewer jobs doomed Detroit thanks inherently to automation. Cheap overseas labor doomed Detroit regardless of unions. And if you want to make any point about it, sure.... some wealthier southern cities have attracted automobile manufacturers with big tax breaks and lower worker standards compared to Detroit, but not remotely in near enough numbers for that to have saved Detroit based on the first two points.
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youngfossil posted...

r4X0r posted...

You put Democrats in charge of anything for a significant duration, it will go to shit.

STOP! jesus stop with the partisan bull shit

There are states/cities in the south that are worse than detroit and never even been close to what detroit is/was.

Almost every one of them are also Dem strongholds.
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The riots and losing a large portion of your citizens to "white flight" didn't help, nor did the openly race baiting mayor Coleman Young.

Sephiroth1288 posted...

And foreign labor was so much cheaper because:

...because they make less than $2 an hour.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Add economics to the big list of shit mal doesn't understand.

Primarily?
An over reliance in the music, automotive, and various other factory type industries.
Once Motown died off and California became the "entertainment capitol" all Detroit (all of Michigan) really had was factory and industrial work.
When it became more profitable to move these factories overseas or automate them, that crushed whatever life support Michigan still had.
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darkjedilink posted...

Almost every one of them are also Dem strongholds.

All cities are Democrat strongholds. I'm sure you'll give credit for LA's resurgence to Dems, right? I'm sure you'll acknowledge the fact that cities are doing much better than rural areas these days, right?

K181 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

K181 posted...

The city's entire economy was essentially tied to a single industry, and when that went south the city couldn't handle it as they were too big to sustain itself with it mostly leaving.

Why did the industry move out though

Could it have been thanks to Democrat-backed union demands that made cars manufactured there uncompetative?

Automobile history 101

When the first gas shock hit, the American automotive industry was caught completely unprepared as they never cared about miles per gallon with their product, which opened the door to European and especially Japanese manufacturers that had been moving on that front for years, if not decades. That left us behind the 8-ball throughout the late 70s up until the mid 90s, and by the time we caught up the damage had been done. Detroit needed the American auto share to not just be a majority but a lion's share of the overall market to sustain itself, and that was no longer the case.

The downward spiral was in full effect, and overall globalization standards lead to even more jobs leaving the country for lower wages than would've been offered anywhere in the US and were also increasingly automatized. If you kept every single auto manufacturer as they always were in Detroit, the city still would've been in a horrible position as automation resulted in significantly fewer jobs, which wouldn't have been enough to remotely sustain the size that the city had grown to.

So, no. It's not a democrat versus republican thing. Fewer jobs doomed Detroit thanks inherently to automation. Cheap overseas labor doomed Detroit regardless of unions. And if you want to make any point about it, sure.... some wealthier southern cities have attracted automobile manufacturers with big tax breaks and lower worker standards compared to Detroit, but not remotely in near enough numbers for that to have saved Detroit based on the first two points.

Only because you blatantly ignored WHY American labor was and is prohibitively expensive - Dem-backed auto unions demanding more and more money and benefits for less and less labor.

Before the crash in the late 2000's, GM was paying $40 an hour STARTING for a person to operate a computerized torque wrench. Plus benefits. That's fuckin' insane.
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K181 posted...

Automobile history 101

When the first gas shock hit, the American automotive industry was caught completely unprepared as they never cared about miles per gallon with their product, which opened the door to European and especially Japanese manufacturers that had been moving on that front for years, if not decades. That left us behind the 8-ball throughout the late 70s up until the mid 90s, and by the time we caught up the damage had been done. Detroit needed the American auto share to not just be a majority but a lion's share of the overall market to sustain itself, and that was no longer the case.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

And foreign labor was so much cheaper because:

...because they make less than $2 an hour.

Guys

The majority of all cars sold in the US are manufactured in the US (or the majority of their parts are, anyway)

https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2011/06/how-much-of-your-car-is-made-in-america/index.htm

Why are you acting like cheap foreign labor is an excuse for auto manufacturing leaving Detroit into other American cities
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Almost every one of them are also Dem strongholds.

All cities are Democrat strongholds. I'm sure you'll give credit for LA's resurgence to Dems, right? I'm sure you'll acknowledge the fact that cities are doing much better than rural areas these days, right?

LA's a crime-ridden shithole.
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American car companies didn't start to produce garbage until way after Detroit started its decline. There's many reasons for Detroit's failure. Some of these including bad infrastructure (mostly from poor interstate planning), unions, lack of employees (white flight), the prohibition (crime and the war on crime), and there's other reasons that are speculated, but they're only speculation. The Big Three's market share didn't start to severely drop until almost 1980 and by then Detroit had already been in a steady downward spiral since the 1950s. Foreign competition wasn't a huge factor, if at all. And although bad democratic policies aided in Detroit's decline, there's more to it than that.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

John_Galt posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

Democrats.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

All cities are Democrat strongholds.

Except the good and safe ones, like San Diego, Miami, Phoenix, etc

I made a topic a few months ago showing that 10 of the top 10 most dangerous cities in the US are run by Democrats
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darkjedilink posted...

Only because you blatantly ignored WHY American labor was and is prohibitively expensive - Dem-backed auto unions demanding more and more money and benefits for less and less labor.

Before the crash in the late 2000's, GM was paying $40 an hour STARTING for a person to operate a computerized torque wrench. Plus benefits. That's fuckin' insane.

A) Source for that, and
B) I can't speak for entry-level positions, but even starting specialized positions require high wages. That's not too much of a surprise.
C) Even plants in Georgia have significantly higher wages than plants in Mexico. It's not like all the jobs that still existed bolted for other sites in the US, Detroit is still the biggest auto manufacturer in the US by a wide margin.

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Guys

The majority of all cars sold in the US are manufactured in the US (or the majority of their parts are, anyway)

https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2011/06/how-much-of-your-car-is-made-in-america/index.htm

Why are you acting like cheap foreign labor is an excuse for auto manufacturing leaving Detroit into other American cities

You seem to have conveniently ignored the part where I mentioned that everything could've stayed in Detroit and the city would still be in horrible shape thanks to automation significantly reducing the number of jobs in the industry.
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darkjedilink posted...

LA's a crime-ridden shithole.

Nope, LA has some of the lowest violent crime rates for a major city in the country and a booming economy.

Shows how informed your average conservative is though I guess.

r4X0r posted...

You put Democrats in charge of anything for a significant duration, it will go to shit.

Democrats fuck up a city, Republicans fuck up an entire state (Kansas).
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K181 posted...

You seem to have conveniently ignored the part where I mentioned that everything could've stayed in Detroit and the city would still be in horrible shape thanks to automation

Didn't ignore it, I just saw how you had no citations for that claim ;)
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Is it true that some company was legitimately trying to propose a project that would turn Detroit into a giant city-wide zombie theme park to try and help it get back on the map?
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K181 posted...

The city's entire economy was essentially tied to a single industry, and when that went south the city couldn't handle it as they were too big to sustain itself with it mostly leaving.

I'm glad somebody is actually thinking and knows what they are talking about , instead of spouting out bullshit.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Except the good and safe ones, like San Diego, Miami, Phoenix, etc

san diego is much more democratic than republican (the city council is majority dem, the mayor would be dem if not for a scandal)
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

K181 posted...

You seem to have conveniently ignored the part where I mentioned that everything could've stayed in Detroit and the city would still be in horrible shape thanks to automation

Yeah, I also saw how you had no citations for that claim ;)

You want me to provide a citation backing up the notion that automation is replacing factory jobs in any industry? Want me to prove that a lake's wet with a citation, too?
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Balrog0 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Except the good and safe ones, like San Diego, Miami, Phoenix, etc

san diego is much more democratic than republican (the city council is majority dem, the mayor would be dem if not for a scandal)

But it hasn't been a Democrat monopoly. Democrat monopolies lead to cities like Detroit, St. Louis, New Orleans, Baton Rouge....
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K181 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

K181 posted...

You seem to have conveniently ignored the part where I mentioned that everything could've stayed in Detroit and the city would still be in horrible shape thanks to automation

Yeah, I also saw how you had no citations for that claim ;)

You want me to provide a citation backing up the notion that automation is replacing factory jobs in any industry? Want me to prove that a lake's wet with a citation, too?

Automation doesn't mean "zero jobs".

So show us that Detroit would be just as bad now if unions didn't force all the manufacturing jobs out of the state. I'll wait.
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I never said zero jobs, but to claim that it didn't reduce the overall size of the workforce in your agenda pushing narrative is incredibly laughable.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Democrat monopolies lead to cities like Detroit, St. Louis, New Orleans, Baton Rouge....

...LA, Austin, Denver, San Jose... wait a second!

Even children understand correlation vs causation mal.

There are towns and counties in the rural south that have been under Republican control for decades that almost look like 3rd world countries and we have right wingers trying to throw shade on Democratic cities? Glass houses much?
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ForestLogic posted...

Is it true that some company was legitimately trying to propose a project that would turn Detroit into a giant city-wide zombie theme park to try and help it get back on the map?

I never heard anything about that, but there's a lot of areas that look really post-apocalyptic. It's sort of captivating tbh.
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