Poll of the Day > Do you know anyone who was home schooled?

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For their entire school career? or maybe you were
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Not for my entire schooling - just for Grades 5 and 6. Not for religious reasons either, I was bullied (not severely, but non-zero) and the administration did nothing so the only logical step was to leave.
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My xbl buddy is home schooled. That's why i can chat with him any time during the day, he's always free. Cool dude, not socially awkward at all.

Zangulus posted...

My wife was for high school. Not her entire life though.

why cause of bullying?
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Lokarin posted...

Not for my entire schooling - just for Grades 5 and 6. Not for religious reasons either, I was bullied (not severely, but non-zero) and the administration did nothing so the only logical step was to leave.

My mom would been taking down the system if that happened. Haha.

But no. I know a couple people who were home schooled for a few years of elementary school. But I don't know any people who were home schooled for their entire school career...
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It was mostly an issue of hypocrisy - the school had a Zero-Tolerance Bullying rule, so when they did nothing a LOT of students left
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Ah... I see...
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I worked with a girl who was home schooled. She was about 19 at the time, and was, and I'm not even trying to be mean here, dumber than a box of ass. Like functionally dumb; so much so that you genuinely worried about her well being. She was barely competent at her job and showed little improvement in several months. She wound up quitting and getting pregnant shortly after, which basically tripled my concerns.
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No.
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Actually, I just realized what we did might not be possible in America - I'm curious since I don't know.

What if you had a class that out of protest, like 70% of the students just left to get homeschooled. They have the option. What would happen to the school?
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Lokarin posted...

Not for my entire schooling - just for Grades 5 and 6. Not for religious reasons either, I was bullied (not severely, but non-zero) and the administration did nothing so the only logical step was to leave.

Same. Except it was grade 5 and onwards. And then the system I was being homeschooled through messed up and I couldn't actually graduate, so I had to get a GED. :/
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Lokarin posted...

Actually, I just realized what we did might not be possible in America - I'm curious since I don't know.

What if you had a class that out of protest, like 70% of the students just left to get homeschooled. They have the option. What would happen to the school?

I tried that. I did as poorly as possible and skipped school in the hopes people would follow my lead. A lot of people did actually, but not enough to shut down the school tho we did get lectures about this.

Lokarin posted...

Actually, I just realized what we did might not be possible in America - I'm curious since I don't know.

What if you had a class that out of protest, like 70% of the students just left to get homeschooled. They have the option. What would happen to the school?

It could lose funding. Maybe get an investigation started on it. Lose the lay remaining students. Apologize and try to fix it.
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Well I was home schooled from 5th grade on so I met quite a few other home schoolers that did for their whole life
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was yours cause of bullying also? I found this to be the worst in middle school, not really elem.
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Kinda but not really, the school areas got moved around so I would have gone to a school that had many problems, including bullying, but it was more because the school as a whole
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gguirao posted...

No.

I was homeschooled by my mom in fourth grade because I was a very sickly child and missed school all the time... And because school was boring and too easy for me. Went back to school in fifth. Then I went to a homeschool program with an actual licensed teacher that you meet once a week for eighth grade to twelfth grade. Yes, it was because of bullying.

Then I dropped out in twelfth grade. Because there was a technicality where I'd have to go back to an actual high school for a few months to get my diploma. Screw that.

I did know three kids who were homeschooled for MOST of their schooling years. We were in the same school from kindergarten to third grade, and then their parents permanently homeschooled on their own.
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I have known quite a few people who were. They range from being the most socially awkward people ever to actually being some pretty cool people. All of them are usually pretty smart and successful though.

It really just depends on how much the parents care about that, because really it is not supposed to me easier then real schooling, just more convenient if you live in an area with no public schooling around.
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Yeah, a handful. I met them all through catechism at church growing up.

I'll see them every now and then whenever I take my grandpa to church events...They're all pretty weird and more socially awkward than I am...

I knew three people.

One was had a lot of "religious shut in" stereotypes, nice girl and crazy smart though.

The other two were siblings, and I'm not sure what happened with them, but they were both social and pretty cool people.

I had students that were homeschooled because of illness. These cases lasted for anywhere from a semester to a few years.

I've had students whose parents would get mad and pull them out to enroll in another district or homeschool. They usually didn't do a very good job at homeschooling.

If the parents took it seriously then the kids did very well. My last couple of years teaching I had identical twin boys to show that had been homeschooled until the parents decided they needed to go to a public school at the 7th grade onward.

They were a little odd but incredibly sweet, smart and well behaved. They were well beyond the average 7th grade student as far as knowledge.

One teacher told me "Enjoy them now because these other kids will wear off on them."

I had to quit teaching due to my daughter's illness but I hope they are doing well.

We do have a lot of religious groups that homeschool.

from age 12 to age 18... took real grade 10-12 all at once at age 18. I'm basically mentally 10 years behind. home"schooling" should be illegal.
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I dont know if independent study counts as homeschooling since nobody was teaching me and I still had a school I could go to (and had to fairly often to turn in work and meet with the advisors and such), but thats what I did for grades 10 and part of 11. Went back to proper classes for grade 12 since the credits I still needed werent available as independent study.
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Worked with a kid that was going from home school (pentecostal irc) to public high school. Poor kid I hope he survived.
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A few. One was a college classmate who, thanks to homeschooling, had got into college at 15. Didn't give her much of a social life, near as I can tell, because she was a good deal younger than everybody else and couldn't even drive yet. Tremendous amount of specialized knowledge when it came to some STEM fields, though.

I also knew a girl who had some quasi-religious homeschooling who, at the end of it, seemed to just be average intelligence and never bothered continuing her education. Kinda cute but too Christian.

I've yet to meet a really stupid person who was homeschooled, although I'm sure plenty exist. Likewise I've never met somebody who was socially maladjusted as a *result* of being homeschooled; in the first example, it was less because she was homeschooled and more because she was young for college. (Really curious how she turned out, but can't remember her name.)

Sahuagin posted...

from age 12 to age 18... took real grade 10-12 all at once at age 18. I'm basically mentally 10 years behind. home"schooling" should be illegal.

It works for some people, but not for others. A naturally intelligent, self-motivated youth will yield far greater results in less time than an average student. However, if somebody doesn't have those capabilities, they're going to end up worse.
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Yes, myself; up until college.
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Zeus posted...

It works for some people, but not for others. A naturally intelligent, self-motivated youth will yield far greater results in less time than an average student. However, if somebody doesn't have those capabilities, they're going to end up worse.

from a learning point of view it's almost ok (ignoring the religious indoctrination, like actually learning that the world was covered in an ice shield before the flood, etc.), it's the social isolation during development years that's the problem.
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Sahuagin posted...

Zeus posted...

It works for some people, but not for others. A naturally intelligent, self-motivated youth will yield far greater results in less time than an average student. However, if somebody doesn't have those capabilities, they're going to end up worse.

from a learning point of view it's almost ok (ignoring the religious indoctrination, like actually learning that the world was covered in an ice shield before the flood, etc.), it's the social isolation during development years that's the problem.

Most of the religious homeschooled kids I knew were not really isolated from others. They had a homeschooled network that met for field trips and various reasons and also church and community things. The problem of socialization comes from that being just about their only network and they keep away from the larger part of society.

Sahuagin posted...

Zeus posted...

It works for some people, but not for others. A naturally intelligent, self-motivated youth will yield far greater results in less time than an average student. However, if somebody doesn't have those capabilities, they're going to end up worse.

from a learning point of view it's almost ok (ignoring the religious indoctrination, like actually learning that the world was covered in an ice shield before the flood, etc.), it's the social isolation during development years that's the problem.

Few things:

1) Homeschooling doesn't automatically pertain to religion (especially because there are countless religious private schools). While I'm sure some religious people homeschool for religious reasons, there are countless reasons why somebody might be homeschooled and the government regulation surrounding it is secular in nature.

2) The cliche of social isolationism isn't inherently true either (the ones I've met certainly had friends growing up) -- and, for that same matter, sending kids to public schools doesn't guarantee socialization. Near as I can tell, *all* of this board's NEETs were publicly schooled, as were all of the posters who claim to be virgins.
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Zeus posted...

Homeschooling doesn't automatically pertain to religion

the religion part isn't even that bad necessarily. obviously it's bad, but I would choose religious real-school over secular home-"school" any day.

Zeus posted...

The cliche of social isolationism isn't inherently true either

doesn't fucking matter if there are exceptions, it happens, and isolating someone that way for an enormous chunk of their development years is beyond fucked up. *anything* is better.

Zeus posted...

sending kids to public schools doesn't guarantee socialization

having lived through this, the difference is beyond anything I can explain. I knew on day 1 home-room that this was something critically missing from my life. it's a hole in my development that I can never get back. it's like having a piece of my brain removed.
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Sahuagin posted...

doesn't fucking matter if there are exceptions, it happens, and isolating someone that way for an enormous chunk of their development years is beyond fucked up. *anything* is better.

The isolation IS the exception.

Sahuagin posted...

having lived through this, the difference is beyond anything I can explain. I knew on day 1 home-room that this was something critically missing from my life. it's a hole in my development that I can never get back. it's like having a piece of my brain removed.

Having gone through the public education system, I can assure that you missed far less than you think. Otherwise, *everybody* has at least some regrets or remorse about the way they grew up.
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Zeus posted...

The isolation IS the exception.

I don't see how. if you have enough extra activities to make up for the experience of entire years of school, then that arguably isn't even "home schooling" anymore, it's just some weird form of private schooling.

to be clear, I wasn't isolated to the point of having no human contact whatsoever. I had a few neighbourhood friends. it's not the same, not even close. again, the moment I was in a real class again, I knew the difference. I grew emotionally/socially as much or more in that year than in the past 7. though I also had to painfully discover my now permanent handicaps.

Zeus posted...

Having gone through the public education system, I can assure that you missed far less than you think. Otherwise, *everybody* has at least some regrets or remorse about the way they grew up.

well I'm the one who's actually missing something; as the saying goes you don't know what you have till it's gone.

weren't you the one who posted about genie? you can't really fix things that happen during formative years. it defines you. you can learn to cope with it and work around it, but your brain is hardwired with the deficiency.

additionally, I'm the oldest of three. I actually have it the best, since I was isolated at a later age. my siblings are much worse off, proportionate to their age and how young they were when it started.
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Sahuagin posted...

I don't see how. if you have enough extra activities to make up for the experience of entire years of school, then that arguably isn't even "home schooling" anymore, it's just some weird form of private schooling.

Have you actually been inside a public school? Most of the day doesn't involve interacting with other students and you'd usually get in trouble for talking in class.

Sahuagin posted...

the moment I was in a real class again, I knew the difference. I grew emotionally/socially as much or more in that year than in the past 7. though I also had to painfully discover my now permanent handicaps.

You're being overly dramatic.

Sahuagin posted...

well I'm the one who's actually missing something; as the saying goes you don't know what you have till it's gone.

I should remind you of the saying that you can't miss what you never had >_> You *think* you know what you missed, but you really don't.

Sahuagin posted...

weren't you the one who posted about genie?

I would need more context than that... oh, right, the savage girl. That's an absurdly extreme outlier where the child had mental issues in the first place and was then placed in total isolation.

Sahuagin posted...

you can't really fix things that happen during formative years. it defines you. you can learn to cope with it and work around it, but your brain is hardwired with the deficiency.

Not really true, excluding something like malnutrition which can permanently stunt growth and impair brain function (which, by the way, was part of the problem with Genie)

Sahuagin posted...

additionally, I'm the oldest of three. I actually have it the best, since I was isolated at a later age. my siblings are much worse off, proportionate to their age and how young they were when it started.

Worse how? If they hadn't experienced any public school, I would imagine they'd have an easier time adjusting to homeschooling.
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Zeus posted...

You're being overly dramatic.

you have no fucking clue. you can't be real, brushing aside a person missing 7 formative years of their life as if it was nothing.
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Sahuagin posted...

Zeus posted...

You're being overly dramatic.

you have no fucking clue. you can't be real, brushing aside a person missing 7 formative years of their life as if it was nothing.

I think you might be misplacing anger.

I was homeschooled off and on throughout my life for various reasons, and aside from some math im more knowledgable than most people my age.

School gives you access to networking infrastructures and can teach you how to organize yourself and maintain schedules that will be common in institutionalized uban environme ts where the highest paying jobs are.

What oppurtunities do you think you missed from homeschooling? Was it the homeschooling which was bad, or did you have bad teachers and dont want to look at your parents in a negative light so instead of blaming them you blame the practice homeschooling.

Even still you have bad parents, because if homeschooling is inherently bad then it was wrong for them to choose it for you even with good intentions.

Maybe you might not be as smart as you think you should be and are trying to find others to blame?

Im sorry you regret events in your childhood, but you need to do some soul searching to find the real reasons behind your perceived stunted development instead of preaching to take away a parents right to educate their children.
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Since school is mandatory in this country everyone attends, except the poorest of the poor who don't even know what school is
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Personally, I'm not a fan of home-schooling, but I guess it works for some. I'd understand both sides of the argument. I understand that just because you're homeschooled, you're not always isolated. But I feel that you would have a higher chance of feeling like that. Schools definitely have a higher chance of kids socializing. And I disagree with Zeus saying:

Zeus posted...

Have you actually been inside a public school? Most of the day doesn't involve interacting with other students and you'd usually get in trouble for talking in class.

Personally, I socialized a lot. It more of less depends on the class, but yeah.

Also, I've had friends I've met out of school. And while we're friends, it's nowhere near best. My best friends were usually met at school...
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Any american that enjoyed public school grew up wealthy or in a wethy school district, and I guarantee you guys are in the minority.

American public schools are considered some of the worst of developed nations for a reason, and that reason is why many people choose to homeschool.
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bulbinking posted...

Any american that enjoyed public school grew up wealthy or in a wethy school district, and I guarantee you guys are in the minority.

American public schools are considered some of the worst of developed nations for a reason, and that reason is why many people choose to homeschool.

worst in the developed world? for what reason mostly? bullying?
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Of course not, that nonsense is illegal here except for a very few very specific exceptions.
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Knew a girl who was homeschooled in a Christian household for her entire educational history. During the summers, she went to the pool I worked at and always hung out with those... older kids. When she was 16, they were 19 or 20. She kept her whole Christian thing and said she didnt listen to secular music, but she was absolutely getting railed by all three of those guys.

After she finished her high school degree she started working in a supermarket in another state with some dude she hastily married. Now she has like 3 kids and posts conspiracy articles about how gay people are plotting to turn the gay pride flag into the new American flag. And also that Dan Savage, the leader of the gays and lesbians, is best friends with the leader of some pedophile company, and theyre looking to change legislature to make Man/Boy love legal.

Despite her education, she evidently never learned to check her sources.
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UT1999 posted...

bulbinking posted...

Any american that enjoyed public school grew up wealthy or in a wethy school district, and I guarantee you guys are in the minority.

American public schools are considered some of the worst of developed nations for a reason, and that reason is why many people choose to homeschool.

worst in the developed world? for what reason mostly? bullying?

Teachers arent allowed to educate and raise students mostly, including ejecting the problem students which may include bullying.

And them there is the food and our standardized tests and curriculum are sub par.

Its like the dod where things only get funded if somebody can make money off it in private, with companies fighting over who gets to sell their food and education materials and less about the government testing to make sure the education materials are actually any good.

And dont get me started on all the corruption caused by no child left behind more like make sure all the kids are progressing equally for funding even if it means holding back the gifted and propping up the troubled.
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bulbinking posted...

Was it the homeschooling which was bad, or did you have bad teachers and dont want to look at your parents in a negative light so instead of blaming them you blame the practice homeschooling.

I don't know what you mean by this, there are no "teachers". there's just an endless series of workbooks.

What oppurtunities do you think you missed from homeschooling?

stunted social development from spending ages 12-18 doing almost nothing but lounging around the house playing video games not knowing any better. there's so much growth from that timeframe that never happened. you have no idea what it was like to take grade 10 classes at age 18 with the mind of a 14 year old. I've been playing catchup ever since and there's still things I can't do. and my siblings are much worse off than me.
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