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UInstinctGogeta
02/04/18 5:14:31 PM
#351:


Maniac64 posted...
Chyna main evented twice?

I assume one is the Rumble she was in, what is the other?


The other Rumble?
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ScareChan
02/04/18 11:18:08 PM
#352:


Jinder just wrecked gronk on instagram
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ExThaNemesis
02/05/18 12:58:24 AM
#353:


ScareChan posted...
Jinder just wrecked gronk on instagram


link pls
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ExThaNemesis
02/05/18 1:01:19 AM
#354:


New Japan World is my best purchase of the year so far. There are so many great matches that I can just pull up either on my phone or on my computer to kill time with.

Watching a random Ishii/Omega match from early last year for my post Super Bowl cooldown is great.
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ExThaNemesis
02/05/18 1:47:20 AM
#355:


is Minoru Suzuki basically NJPW's Stone Cold?
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Jakyl25
02/05/18 1:55:17 AM
#356:


I think the closest analogue would be Undertaker, as far as how hes used, but there really isnt a WWE version

Like pretend Ken Shamrock was as good as Lesnar and around the whole time
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scarletspeed7
02/05/18 3:08:28 PM
#357:


Corey Graves basically responded to Booker T's accusations that Corey got Booker bounced from the RAW team with a Sun Tzu quote on Twitter:

Thus the expert in battle moves the enemy, and is not moved by him.
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Jakyl25
02/05/18 3:43:22 PM
#358:


Good on you Corey
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Lopen
02/05/18 4:14:44 PM
#359:


I wish the announce team was Coach Booker T Corey Graves

Coach is so much better than Cole.
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scarletspeed7
02/05/18 4:23:52 PM
#360:


Coach is not a better play-by-play guy than Cole. Honestly, Cole is a fantastic PBP voice when he's left to his own devices. I'll point to his work on the UK Tournament when no one was in his ear. He has really developed that ability (sure he still whiffs some move names), and he was able to seamlessly work in the experience and talent of the workers as well as overarcing narratives much better on the tourney.

Mauro is a guy who I like somewhat, but he has some strange quirks that bother me from time-to-time. But when he's on point (this last Takeover main event was so richly rewarded by him having a solo commentary table), he's on point.
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Lopen
02/05/18 4:46:28 PM
#361:


Cole's a guy who has good theory on what good announcing is but completely botches it on execution most of the time. I mean you can see him working the experience and talent of the workers into his normal PBP but he often ends up doing it in a way that it basically comes off as irrelevant factoids more than something that's relevant to how the match is going.

I mean you can blame that on someone being in his ear all you want, and I'm sure that's part of it, but I think a big part of it is you just not being as familiar with the workers in the UK Tournament so you don't see it as obviously irrelevant as you do with the workers you're more familiar with. It's also possible Cole was helped in the UK Tournament by things like Twitter and such not being thought of as as relevant there-- which again I don't think is all on the voice in his ear and is partially on the product throwing so much content out there and Cole not really having any instinctive idea of which of that content is interesting to the viewer.

I think Coach actually brings relevant stuff up a lot more often-- it's much more glaring now because there's so much more garbage that Cole has to filter than there was back when Coach was a regular announcer. Granted this may not hold as he's got a one show sample size to work with on his return and he may fall off a cliff but he was so much better than Cole in that one show.
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scarletspeed7
02/05/18 5:34:08 PM
#362:


Lopen posted...
I mean you can blame that on someone being in his ear all you want, and I'm sure that's part of it, but I think a big part of it is you just not being as familiar with the workers in the UK Tournament so you don't see it as obviously irrelevant as you do with the workers you're more familiar with.

I take umbrage with this. Cole is consistently told what to plug and who to plug, and that didn't happen on the UK Tournament. In fact, he wasn't repetitively plugging anything in the first round. You can easily see what random Fact of the Week Vince has asked Cole to plug; Nia is 200 pounds or whatever. They pushed that hard for two weeks in the summer. I think the lack of that inner ear voice left the whole world open to Cole's devices, and Nigel was the perfect guy to fly as his wingman.

I vastly prefer Nigel to Corey Graves. I know that's going to get me booed out of the building here, but Nigel buttresses anyone with whom he works. Mauro is less cringey with Nigel. Nigel doesn't go sooooo over the top with Percy Watson (who is Booker T with no experience or redeemable value), but enough that you can appreciate his sass. Corey is the WWE guy, and Nigel is the UFC guy when it comes to color. It's the subtlety of Nigel that works for me. Corey is cartoonish and goofy - which is fine when he's bitching about pancakes, but gets old when he's saying Hallelujah for Bobby Roode and not giving any real reason why he likes Roode.

Anyways, I think Cole had the right tools at his disposal and it was like a renaissance for the guy; he's also been campaigning backstage to take over the "inner ear" role, which means that he obviously has some changes he would like to make in that regard.
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TheRock1525
02/05/18 5:39:55 PM
#363:


Man, imagine liking Cole and Nigel over Graves and Mauro.

I mean, whatever floats your boat but jeez...
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scarletspeed7
02/05/18 5:41:44 PM
#364:


TheRock1525 posted...
Man, imagine liking Cole and Nigel over Graves and Mauro.

I mean, whatever floats your boat but jeez...

I never said I liked Cole over Mauro.
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TheRock1525
02/05/18 5:43:09 PM
#365:


scarletspeed7 posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Man, imagine liking Cole and Nigel over Graves and Mauro.

I mean, whatever floats your boat but jeez...

I never said I liked Cole over Mauro.


Could have fooled me by the tone but I didn't see you directly say it so I'll take your word on it.
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Lopen
02/05/18 5:45:51 PM
#366:


I still think the voice in the ear thing is a convenient scapegoat more than anything. Cole has been this way since his debut and most of the other announcers aside from late career JBL have been much less so than him. Unless you're going to say he's literally always had the voice in his ear even when Jim Ross was the main PBP and no one else has the voice in their ear.

Like to me Cole comes off as a guy who takes notes before he goes out, and is sure to hit all those bullet points regardless of whether anything in the match leads to it. He's a flowchart announcer and whether the flowchart is relevant to what's going on is partially whether the product is conducive to interesting notes since his ability to QC is poor, partially who's in the ring, and partially luck.

Voice in the ear makes things worse but it isn't really the cause per se.
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scarletspeed7
02/05/18 5:46:22 PM
#367:


TheRock1525 posted...
Could have fooled me by the tone but I didn't see you directly say it so I'll take your word on it.

It wasn't a post about Mauro, so I was keeping my remarks brief. That part of my post was about throwing extremely subtle shade at Percy, but I think you missed it.

Mauro is better than Cole in every way except one. His references need to just stop. They hurt me. They are painful.

Like, I'm not even a Cole fan really. I just think he gets a really bad rap.
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scarletspeed7
02/05/18 5:48:39 PM
#368:


Lopen posted...
I still think the voice in the ear thing is a convenient scapegoat more than anything. Cole has been this way since his debut and most of the other announcers aside from late career JBL have been much less so than him. Unless you're going to say he's literally always had the voice in his ear even when Jim Ross was the main PBP and no one else has the voice in their ear.

Like to me Cole comes off as a guy who takes notes before he goes out, and is sure to hit all those bullet points regardless of whether anything in the match leads to it. He's a flowchart announcer and whether the flowchart is relevant to what's going on is partially whether the product is conducive to interesting notes since his ability to QC is poor, partially who's in the ring, and partially luck.

Voice in the ear makes things worse but it isn't really the cause per se.

Maybe it's a scapegoat thing, but I think that just as Cole was improving, the show moved in a direction that didn't allow that growth to show.

I think my argument is primarily that Cole is actually not terrible. Go watch Impact. Go watch current ROH. Go watch Eric Bischoff announce in WCW. Go watch Joey Styles in WWE. There are worse things than Michael Cole.
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Lopen
02/05/18 5:55:25 PM
#369:


Dude's had 20 years now to improve. If he was going to get better he would've been way better in like 2008.

And I'd take pretty much all of those over Cole btw. Impact is the only one I don't know well enough to be sure-- I mean I guess I'd take Cole over heel Josh Matthews (is he even still doing that) but I'd probably take heel Josh Matthews over heel Michael Cole.
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X_Dante_X
02/05/18 5:56:29 PM
#370:


if you're not a cole miner you're not a real wrestling fan
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scarletspeed7
02/05/18 5:56:40 PM
#371:


I'll agree to disagree. There is absolutely no reason to ever listen to Eric Bischoff as a face announcer.
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Lopen
02/05/18 5:59:56 PM
#372:


Eric Bischoff at least has energy. It's very rare for Cole to show any sort of energy or enthusiasm. Which, again, is probably because he takes a bunch of notes and then just regurgitates all of the notes in the best place he can find an opportunity to in a show. Like I'd be very surprised if I was wrong on that being his announcing method.

I'd take Michael Cole over drunk Eric Bischoff I guess. But no announcer who has regularly announced for more than like 5 years is worse than Michael Cole-- and that guy's been going as a main announcing fixture for 15+.
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PrivateBiscuit1
02/05/18 7:08:48 PM
#373:


https://twitter.com/JinderMahal/status/960360063641817088
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Solioxrz362
02/05/18 7:13:05 PM
#374:


Shouldn't HAVE

It's shouldn't HAVE

Jinder truly making me hate him now, getting that heel heat
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Jakyl25
02/05/18 7:14:30 PM
#375:


Its funny, if you only watch WMs, youd never know Jinder had a push. He will probably be in the ARMBAR again
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eaedwards6400
02/05/18 7:21:48 PM
#376:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
https://twitter.com/JinderMahal/status/960360063641817088


This is the celebrity mania match we are missing lol
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StealThisSheen
02/05/18 7:24:09 PM
#377:


Just think how quickly the hype for Rousey would die down if they got Gronk
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PrivateBiscuit1
02/05/18 7:51:45 PM
#378:


Jakyl25 posted...
Its funny, if you only watch WMs, youd never know Jinder had a push. He will probably be in the ARMBAR again

I was kind of expecting it to be Jinder & the Singhs vs New Day actually before the one Singh got hurt.

Hell, if you only watch WM and the Rumble you wouldn't know about Jinder's push either!

Unfortunately if you watch Summerslam too, that kind of ruins it.
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RaidenZeroX
02/05/18 8:08:48 PM
#379:


Since we already know Roman is going over Brock at Mania, what are the chances that they don't close the show? I don't see how they'll put on a better match than AJ/Nakamura, but they're on SD and don't make Vince moist.
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RaidenZeroX
02/05/18 8:21:20 PM
#380:


Lets go Bray chants. Cheering for the heel means they're just "enjoying this match"
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PrivateBiscuit1
02/05/18 8:23:59 PM
#381:


That's impossible. Nobody enjoys Bray anymore.
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TheRock1525
02/05/18 8:33:09 PM
#382:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
That's impossible. Nobody enjoys Bray anymore.


I do.

:(
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Lopen
02/05/18 8:39:34 PM
#383:


His catchphrase is follow the buzzards because that's what's circling what was once his fanbase
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DeathChicken
02/05/18 8:43:26 PM
#384:


Bray will have fans until the day they take away his theme song and ban people from holding up cellphone lights
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PrivateBiscuit1
02/05/18 9:07:08 PM
#385:


Just turned on RAW.

Women's Elimination Chamber match is Alexa Bliss vs Bayley vs Mandy Rose vs Sonya Deville vs Mickie James vs Sasha Banks.

And then Asuka vs Nia Jax where if Nia Jax wins, she gets added to the Wrestlemania Women's Title match.

Hooooly shit that Elimination Chamber match is going to be a mess.

But my god. This Alexa and Kurt Angle promo is outrageous. They admitted Alexa hasn't defended her title once since October!? And then Alexa blames Kurt for not booking her to defend her title!? And Alexa is the one to call out Brock Lesnar not being in the RAW Elimination Chamber too? What is happening?
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PrivateBiscuit1
02/05/18 10:20:09 PM
#386:


Braun Strowman is one of the few people on the roster who should never ever be cutting a phone promo as he wanders around backstage.
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Lopen
02/05/18 10:22:49 PM
#387:


Braun's phone promo should start with him attacking someone else during their phone promo and using their phone to cut it
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X_Dante_X
02/05/18 10:23:43 PM
#388:


does the screen cut to ron simmons on the other end of the line and just go "DAMN" when braun finishes promoing
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PrivateBiscuit1
02/05/18 11:03:30 PM
#389:


MY HOMETOWN HERO ELIAS JUST PINNED JOHN CENA!

I Walk With Elias!
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voltch
02/06/18 2:13:49 AM
#390:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

And then Asuka vs Nia Jax where if Nia Jax wins, she gets added to the Wrestlemania Women's Title match.


Praise to The Rock!
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Jakyl25
02/06/18 9:15:56 AM
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RaidenZeroX
02/06/18 8:10:09 PM
#392:


Speaking of absurd, how about the opening of SDL
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Pikazard1
02/06/18 8:10:29 PM
#393:


just curious

with the zayn/owens match tonight, any chance we'll see the fabled "finger-poke of doom"
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02/06/18 10:11:18 PM
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ZeroSignal620
02/07/18 9:40:56 AM
#395:


UInstinctGogeta posted...
Maniac64 posted...
Chyna main evented twice?

I assume one is the Rumble she was in, what is the other?


The other Rumble?


1999 and 2000 Rumbles
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Jakyl25
02/07/18 1:35:20 PM
#396:


So as of last week, Vince is hands-off on 205 Live
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paulg235
02/07/18 1:56:22 PM
#397:


https://twitter.com/Sheltyb803/status/961289317028114432?s=09
https://twitter.com/RandyOrton/status/961290544893825025
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scarletspeed7
02/07/18 2:49:57 PM
#398:


Randy Orton has such great Twitter game.
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FinalistCloud
02/07/18 3:03:48 PM
#399:


Jakyl25 posted...
So as of last week, Vince is hands-off on 205 Live


Health reasons?
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eaedwards6400
02/07/18 3:03:53 PM
#400:


Jakyl25 posted...
So as of last week, Vince is hands-off on 205 Live


Silly question, with Mix Match Challenge going on when are they recording 205 Live?
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