Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 429: Rusev Rumble.

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ChampionCloud
01/28/18 11:27:15 PM
#351:


scarletspeed7 posted...
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If she's gonna be there, why not have her win?

Like, I didn't want her to win but it's because I didn't want her there period. If she was going to be there AND going to be against one of the Champions..... why not just have her win.

Asuka has lost BR before, so that wouldn't have mattered.

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU BURY THIS MATCH THE LITERAL FIRST ONE?

Especially after fucking up the first women's MitB....

Is every single person with an idea back there this incompetent.

Just have her win....

I disagree.

Asuka won.

The feud is setting up to be Asuka vs. Rousey. That's the long angle they're running with. It was a smart choice.

Asuka looked bigger than Charlotte OR Bliss because Ronda took a look at all three and said "Fuck the titles" and went for Asuka.


Just so we're on the same page. That idea is even WORSE for burying this match....

The first winner not even getting a Title match...

Though it would be the most Vince thing ever if he managed to bury the match concept first time out, the entire division across 2 shows, AND both Titles all at once. Because if that's what happens here the belts mean jack shit from now on.

At least my horrible fear only buries the Rumble. Yours just flat buries women's wrestling.
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TheRock1525
01/28/18 11:27:24 PM
#352:


The only reason I'm thinking more Ember than Sane is because Ember's supposed to be selling a major injury.
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XIII_rocks
01/28/18 11:27:42 PM
#353:


If it were me I'd have them on separate shows and have them never lose (her and Asuka) and build to Asuka/Rousey either at Summerslam or if you can make it last that long, WM next year

But damn that was a really enjoyable Rumble.

I realized after like 20 entrants that I had nothing but good will towards the people involved and just wanted a good match and for them to not fuck up, and that was a nice feeling. For the most part, they delivered. Great work.

Then the Bellas came out and that was when the genius of the booking really took over. - they really played on the smark fears of nepotism in WWE. The idea of one of the Bellas winning this when they are not particularly talented as performers in any way (and way, way behind people like Asuka, Sasha, Charlotte, etc) was genuinely terrifying. And that led to some actual, real tension at the end, from me anyway. Partly because I wanted Asuka to win anyway but also partly because I didn't want WWE to ruin a really good match by being WWE.

So yeah well-booked match, good amount of nostalgia - and almost all the retirees looked great, guess that's the benefit of the women retiring relatively early - and an excellent, tense finish because WWE understood its audience for once.
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CaptainOfCrush
01/28/18 11:27:52 PM
#354:


Thoughts from someone who hasn't watched a minute of wrestling since last year's Mania:

- Alexa Bliss and Mandy Rose are goddesses. Maybe the two prettiest women in the company, though Sasha is also gorgeous.

- I enjoyed the Women's Rumble overall. Some very athletic ladies working in the biz.

- Nia Jax is great. Very fierce look!

- I knew about Asuka coming in, but she didn't do anything to show me why she seems to be the most over woman in the company. I'm sorry but do wrestling fans automatically go crazy for Japanese people who make dumb facial expressions? Kairi was more impressive to me with those elbow drops.

- Ronda is veeeeeeery awkward and I don't think she'll have a good pro wrestling career. I don't actively wanna chear against her... but yeah she just doesn't have it.
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StealThisSheen
01/28/18 11:28:44 PM
#355:


TheRock1525 posted...
The only reason I'm thinking more Ember than Sane is because Ember's supposed to be selling a major injury.


Both make sense for it

Ember because she's supposed to be selling an injury. Though at the same time, she actually worked in some spots and they had the Asuka/Ember showdown which feels planned.

Kairi because she was in early and out quick, making it seem like she literally followed Fox's script exactly
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scarletspeed7
01/28/18 11:29:33 PM
#356:


ChampionCloud posted...
Just so we're on the same page. That idea is even WORSE for burying this match....

The first winner not even getting a Title match...

Though it would be the most Vince thing ever if he managed to bury the match concept first time out, the entire division across 2 shows, AND both Titles all at once. Because if that's what happens here the belts mean jack shit from now on.

At least my horrible fear only buries the Rumble. Yours just flat buries women's wrestling.

Asuka wins at Mania against Bliss and prepares for Ronda at SummerSlam. Good longterm booking to start that here.

Asuka wins BEFORE Mania and therefore has the title before she needed it. Ronda fights her way in the Road to WM up the card to get the shot. Again, good longterm booking.

This put Asuka over and didn't demean the titles.
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TheRock1525
01/28/18 11:29:43 PM
#357:


I couldn't ever buy the Bella Twins winning. Now if the final two had been Sasha and Asuka I would definitely been up in the air about who was gonna win.
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ScareChan
01/28/18 11:31:04 PM
#358:


See my interpretation of Ronda was just "Hey, whoever you dont take, I am getting the other title"
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scarletspeed7
01/28/18 11:31:11 PM
#359:


The best possible final four would have been Trish, Nia, Sasha and Asuka. Trish would suddenly get people going, "Is this possible?" Nia over Asuka would feel to smarks like a Vince safety move, and Sasha would have casuals assuming a win.
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CaptainOfCrush
01/28/18 11:31:24 PM
#360:


XIII_rocks posted...
Then the Bellas came out and that was when the genius of the booking really took over. - they really played on the smark fears of nepotism in WWE. The idea of one of the Bellas winning this when they are not particularly talented as performers in any way (and way, way behind people like Asuka, Sasha, Charlotte, etc) was genuinely terrifying.

Really? Maybe it's because I've been away from the product, but I never thought they'd have either win. I basically called the last 10 minutes perfectly as I was watching. I didn't even think the Bellas were fulltime with the company at this point.
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RaidenZeroX
01/28/18 11:32:00 PM
#361:


My interpretation was that Ronda should have practiced that point a little more in the mirror, maybe checked her facial expression. That was horrible.
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scarletspeed7
01/28/18 11:32:15 PM
#362:


If you rewatch the two Rumbles, the Final Four played the exact same roles in a very similar script.
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GTM
01/28/18 11:32:33 PM
#363:


There are times where we never think someone would win and they do it anyways
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ChampionCloud
01/28/18 11:33:02 PM
#364:


scarletspeed7 posted...
ChampionCloud posted...
Just so we're on the same page. That idea is even WORSE for burying this match....

The first winner not even getting a Title match...

Though it would be the most Vince thing ever if he managed to bury the match concept first time out, the entire division across 2 shows, AND both Titles all at once. Because if that's what happens here the belts mean jack shit from now on.

At least my horrible fear only buries the Rumble. Yours just flat buries women's wrestling.

Asuka wins at Mania against Bliss and prepares for Ronda at SummerSlam. Good longterm booking to start that here.

Asuka wins BEFORE Mania and therefore has the title before she needed it. Ronda fights her way in the Road to WM up the card to get the shot. Again, good longterm booking.

This put Asuka over and didn't demean the titles.


If you are right the first one is good.

The second one still kills this match dead but at least not the Titles.

If it's Asuka vs Ronda no titles on line at Mania this division is 100% dead. Because the Titles will mean less than the European Championship did.
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CaptainOfCrush
01/28/18 11:33:38 PM
#365:


RaidenZeroX posted...
My interpretation was that Ronda should have practiced that point a little more in the mirror, maybe checked her facial expression. That was horrible.

That's just who she is. It'll take a lot of work for her to really attain that wrestler's charisma.
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scarletspeed7
01/28/18 11:33:51 PM
#366:


ChampionCloud posted...
If it's Asuka vs Ronda no titles on line at Mania this division is 100% dead. Because the Titles will mean less than the European Championship did.

I highly doubt that if that match came about, it would have no titles. Ronda signed a full-time contract. She's not here for show.
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davidponte
01/28/18 11:33:57 PM
#367:


How angry is the internet going to be when Ronda is the one to finally beat Asuka?
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ChampionCloud
01/28/18 11:34:08 PM
#368:


scarletspeed7 posted...
If you rewatch the two Rumbles, the Final Four played the exact same roles in a very similar script.


Yup
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DeathChicken
01/28/18 11:35:01 PM
#369:


I liked Ronda's Piper outfit. Apparently that was literally Piper's old jacket, it was a gift
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scarletspeed7
01/28/18 11:35:21 PM
#370:


davidponte posted...
How angry is the internet going to be when Ronda is the one to finally beat Asuka?

Personally I'm fine with it. I know everyone else will bitch, but she signed a full-time deal. She's in it for the love of the sport. If she can train hard and become a good wrestler, I will be happy for her.
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ChampionCloud
01/28/18 11:36:11 PM
#371:


davidponte posted...
How angry is the internet going to be when Ronda is the one to finally beat Asuka?


If she does she just needs to bulldoze everyone for a year and a half till someone comes from NXT. I mean beats girls in 3 minutes every match and wins a triple threat by stacking bodies on top and pinning both.
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transience
01/28/18 11:39:40 PM
#372:


I watch wrestling like two days a year but

that men's rumble, the first half, was absolutely hilarious
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CaptainOfCrush
01/28/18 11:40:37 PM
#373:


transience posted...
I watch wrestling like two days a year but

This has been me for like the last eight years!

Also, is Raw 25 on the network? Trying to get some mileage out of my ten bucks.
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scarletspeed7
01/28/18 11:41:01 PM
#374:


raw 25 wont be on the network for like a month
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Jakyl25
01/28/18 11:41:22 PM
#375:


It will be in 24 more days
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scarletspeed7
01/28/18 11:41:32 PM
#376:


Also, Men's Rumble. I will say this again. Best Rumble since 08.

If the Men's Rumble hadn't happened. Women's Rumble. Best Rumble since 08.
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CybrMonkey
01/28/18 11:43:48 PM
#377:


The funniest reaction I've seen to Rousey is people complaining that her music was inappropriate for her.
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Jakyl25
01/28/18 11:44:12 PM
#378:


Speaking of the 30 day upload delay, I wonder if that will be a thing they look to get rid of in the new TV deal
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Jakyl25
01/28/18 11:44:40 PM
#379:


CybrMonkey posted...
The funniest reaction I've seen to Rousey is people complaining that her music was inappropriate for her.


LOLOLOLOL
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transience
01/28/18 11:44:46 PM
#380:


CaptainOfCrush posted...
transience posted...
I watch wrestling like two days a year but

This has been me for like the last eight years!

Also, is Raw 25 on the network? Trying to get some mileage out of my ten bucks.


oh I have you beat. I haven't watched wrestling more than 3 days a year since.. 1994? 1995?
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transience
01/28/18 11:45:48 PM
#381:


I don't know who any of the ladies are because, again, 2 days a year, but it sure felt like they were puffing it up bigtime and bringing in as much nostalgia as possible. it was good, but there was something unusually propped up about it.

at least there isn't 30 years of stats that the announcers could talk about endlessly.
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FFDragon
01/28/18 11:45:55 PM
#382:


i feel like even once you quit watching

you still show up for rumble
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ChampionCloud
01/28/18 11:47:22 PM
#383:


When was the last time the crowd was happy at a Rumble winner.

17: Orton was cheered for the elimination because Reigns is cancer, but no one wanted him to win
16: HHH was booed when it was Ambrose out.
15: Cancer
14: Cancer because not Bryan
13: Most cancerous
12: Booed out of the fucking building.
11: Booed, just not out of the fucking building.
10: So I guess this is the last genuinely happy one.... Its also the last good Rumble as a whole till tonight.
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scarletspeed7
01/28/18 11:50:19 PM
#384:


ChampionCloud posted...
When was the last time the crowd was happy at a Rumble winner.

17: Orton was cheered for the elimination because Reigns is cancer, but no one wanted him to win
16: HHH was booed when it was Ambrose out.
15: Cancer
14: Cancer because not Bryan
13: Most cancerous
12: Booed out of the fucking building.
11: Booed, just not out of the fucking building.
10: So I guess this is the last genuinely happy one.... Its also the last good Rumble as a whole till tonight.

'10 is actually not a good Rumble. Just a good winner. '08 is the last good Rumble.
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TheRock1525
01/28/18 11:50:22 PM
#385:


12 was Sheamus right?

I thought he got a decent pop because people hadn't turned on Sheamus yet.
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HBJDubs
01/28/18 11:50:29 PM
#386:


Except for people going out of the ring a lot, Women's Rumble was good. Asuka such a good trash-talker, and she doesn't even need to speak

Men's Rumble is easily the best one in the 2010s and arguably a top 5 all timer
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scarletspeed7
01/28/18 11:51:23 PM
#387:


Hmm, is it as good as '92, '97, '01, '05?
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Jakyl25
01/28/18 11:51:36 PM
#388:


Amazingly enough the unique PPV main event winner streak continues

Lesnar
Owens
Rollins/Ambrose/Angle
Triple H/Strowman
Styles
Asuka

Halfway to a new record
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TheRock1525
01/28/18 11:52:21 PM
#389:


Jakyl25 posted...
Amazingly enough the unique PPV main event winner streak continues

Lesnar
Owens
Rollins/Ambrose/Angle
Triple H/Strowman
Styles
Asuka

Halfway to a new record


Unfortunately it's gonna be single-handily destroyed by Roman Reigns in back-to-back ME PPV wins.
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scarletspeed7
01/28/18 11:52:35 PM
#390:


And the next PPV is EC which will have another unique winner!
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ChampionCloud
01/28/18 11:53:28 PM
#391:


scarletspeed7 posted...
ChampionCloud posted...
When was the last time the crowd was happy at a Rumble winner.

17: Orton was cheered for the elimination because Reigns is cancer, but no one wanted him to win
16: HHH was booed when it was Ambrose out.
15: Cancer
14: Cancer because not Bryan
13: Most cancerous
12: Booed out of the fucking building.
11: Booed, just not out of the fucking building.
10: So I guess this is the last genuinely happy one.... Its also the last good Rumble as a whole till tonight.

'10 is actually not a good Rumble. Just a good winner. '08 is the last good Rumble.


10 was the Shawn Michaels Rumble..... like fuck it wasn't good....

The only better stories ever in a Rumble are like Flair in 92 and maybe Kane in 01.
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Jakyl25
01/28/18 11:53:34 PM
#392:


TheRock1525 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Amazingly enough the unique PPV main event winner streak continues

Lesnar
Owens
Rollins/Ambrose/Angle
Triple H/Strowman
Styles
Asuka

Halfway to a new record


Unfortunately it's gonna be single-handily destroyed by Roman Reigns in back-to-back ME PPV wins.


Maybe he will break it, but Fast Lane is in-between Chamber and WM <_<
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ChampionCloud
01/28/18 11:54:27 PM
#393:


TheRock1525 posted...
12 was Sheamus right?

I thought he got a decent pop because people hadn't turned on Sheamus yet.


Nope. Eliminated Jericho to win. Was booed lustily.
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scarletspeed7
01/28/18 11:54:35 PM
#394:


ChampionCloud posted...
scarletspeed7 posted...
ChampionCloud posted...
When was the last time the crowd was happy at a Rumble winner.

17: Orton was cheered for the elimination because Reigns is cancer, but no one wanted him to win
16: HHH was booed when it was Ambrose out.
15: Cancer
14: Cancer because not Bryan
13: Most cancerous
12: Booed out of the fucking building.
11: Booed, just not out of the fucking building.
10: So I guess this is the last genuinely happy one.... Its also the last good Rumble as a whole till tonight.

'10 is actually not a good Rumble. Just a good winner. '08 is the last good Rumble.


10 was the Shawn Michaels Rumble..... like fuck it wasn't good....

The only better stories ever in a Rumble are like Flair in 92 and maybe Kane in 01.

'10 is the Edge Rumble.
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TheRock1525
01/28/18 11:55:32 PM
#395:


ChampionCloud posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
12 was Sheamus right?

I thought he got a decent pop because people hadn't turned on Sheamus yet.


Nope. Eliminated Jericho to win. Was booed lustily.


Can someone confirm this because I remember recently watching it and not really hearing any boos.
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Lopen
01/28/18 11:55:37 PM
#396:


Best Rumble in years. Not even just the winner, who was awesome, but the match as a whole was just way better. So many awful conventions that had begun to surface in the past few years were not present-- the commentators weren't repeatedly beaming about FACTS, and there was more action in the ring than just the two focal players most of the time. Most of the gimmick spots were good too.

Women's Rumble was honestly better than most of the Rumbles of the past 10 years too. 1/3 the field needing to be mystery entrants helped. Most of the women looking about as competent as they did in the day was nice too-- not that this is a ringing endorsement for most of them.

Shame Molly Holly injured herself on the Molly Go Round though (at least, I think she did-- she landed weird and then rolled out of the ring forever) she was one of the ones I was most excited to see.
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TheRock1525
01/28/18 11:55:58 PM
#397:


Jakyl25 posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Amazingly enough the unique PPV main event winner streak continues

Lesnar
Owens
Rollins/Ambrose/Angle
Triple H/Strowman
Styles
Asuka

Halfway to a new record


Unfortunately it's gonna be single-handily destroyed by Roman Reigns in back-to-back ME PPV wins.


Maybe he will break it, but Fast Lane is in-between Chamber and WM <_<


Stupid Fastlane.
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ChampionCloud
01/28/18 11:57:40 PM
#398:


scarletspeed7 posted...
ChampionCloud posted...
scarletspeed7 posted...
ChampionCloud posted...
When was the last time the crowd was happy at a Rumble winner.

17: Orton was cheered for the elimination because Reigns is cancer, but no one wanted him to win
16: HHH was booed when it was Ambrose out.
15: Cancer
14: Cancer because not Bryan
13: Most cancerous
12: Booed out of the fucking building.
11: Booed, just not out of the fucking building.
10: So I guess this is the last genuinely happy one.... Its also the last good Rumble as a whole till tonight.

'10 is actually not a good Rumble. Just a good winner. '08 is the last good Rumble.


10 was the Shawn Michaels Rumble..... like fuck it wasn't good....

The only better stories ever in a Rumble are like Flair in 92 and maybe Kane in 01.

'10 is the Edge Rumble.


No... 10 is very much the Shawn Michaels Rumble....

Just as 2001 is absolutely THE Kane Rumble.

I don't care that Edge won. 10 was all about Shawn.
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TheRock1525
01/28/18 11:59:15 PM
#399:


Lopen posted...
Best Rumble in years. Not even just the winner, who was awesome, but the match as a whole was just way better. So many awful conventions that had begun to surface in the past few years were not present-- the commentators weren't repeatedly beaming about FACTS, and there was more action in the ring than just the two focal players most of the time. Most of the gimmick spots were good too.

Women's Rumble was honestly better than most of the Rumbles of the past 10 years too. 1/3 the field needing to be mystery entrants helped. Most of the women looking about as competent as they did in the day was nice too-- not that this is a ringing endorsement for most of them.

Shame Molly Holly injured herself on the Molly Go Round though (at least, I think she did-- she landed weird and then rolled out of the ring forever) she was one of the ones I was most excited to see.


Every woman looked pretty good.

Except Lita.

Whoa man did Lita look bad. I thought she was gonna kill herself on that moonsault.
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CaptainOfCrush
01/28/18 11:59:22 PM
#400:


I thought Del Rio got popped when he won. I know I was excited for that because he came outta nowhere and it was a fun story. It seemed like AFTER ADR and Seamus was win the Rumble started skidding with its winners.
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