Board 8 > Evidence has been revealed to House of FISA abuse by Obama admin to spy on Trump

(+) Yeah! (+)

This little pawn is the first one to be purged. Hopefully not the last.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02/breaking-second-source-comes-forward-claims-rosenstein-threatened-nunes-house-intel-didnt-stop-investigation/


What a coincidence.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

I wish there was a way to repair vlado.

Can't be fixed if he won't admit he's broken.
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More YUGE information about the FISA abuse:

In the HPSCI outline it specifically notes the targeting of U.S. individual Carter Page was NOT a FISA Title VII search request. Title VII is FISA(702), the incidental collection of U.S. person information as it relates to National Security or Counterintelligence operations targeting foreign individuals.

The FISA warrant request, against Carter Page, was made October 21st, 2016, under Title I of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Meaning the surveillance application was specifically stating, to the court, the U.S. individual was likely an actual agent of a foreign government, ie. a spy.

To give validity to the underlying position of the DOJ and FBI, the justice department used: the Clinton-Steele Dossier; media reports from -and of- the Clinton-Steele dossier; and opposition research provided by Clinton financed Fusion-GPS through Nellie Ohr, so they could monitor U.S. Person Carter Page.

In total, this sketchy assembly of political campaign research was used by the FBI as evidence to back-up their claim U.S. person Carter Page was working as a foreign agent; essentially saying: he was a spy. This application assembly was then certified on four different occasions by specific officials within the DOJ and FBI.

The FBI were not targeting Page incidentally as an outcome of foreign intelligence collection; the FBI was targeting Carter Page directly. AND as such they carried full surveillance authority upon all of this activities, interactions, communications and contacts therein.

Because of this direct approach, any group, organization or entity who came in contact with U.S. Person Carter Page was then open for ancillary review and FBI investigation. Those who engaged in contact with Carter Page became subject to surveillance and searches in the same manner as if Page was an actual foreign agent.

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It is important to remember that FISA courts are not like other courts; there needs to be specific evidence of a particular national security threat to circumvent regular federal courts.

It is a HIGHER standard because its jurisdiction is LIMITED
FISA courts have LIMITED jurisdiction because the scope of the invasive tools of the NSA is far more INVASIVE than regular wiretaps, due to the SECRET nature of such courts, and from the risk of forum shopping with the limited number and deferential nature of FISA Judges.

That is why Congress imposed SPECIAL RESTRICTIONS on access to FISA courts and use of FISA evidence. To access FISA courts, only the highest ranking FBI officials must vet and approve, a high ranking DOJ official must authorize, and they must re-vet and re-approve every 90 days.

To spy on Americans through a FISA court, the FBI must show the target is an agent of a foreign power, not merely in contact with a foreign power. The law makes it difficult to show someone is an agent of a foreign power to make sure it is not misused to spy on Americans.

The law does not allow the FBI to call an American an agent of a foreign power unless they can show the person knowingly engages in clandestine intelligence gathering activities for or on behalf of a foreign power AND the nature of their activity is criminalized.

Claiming someone is an agent of a foreign power is a difficult standard to ever show, and should never happen to a domestic political opponent in a domestic political campaign. That is why the FBI had to cook the books put a bogus informant on their team & lie to the courts.

Trumps winning caused a problem for Comey & Comeys firing caused a problem for Rosenstein. Both Comey & Rosenstein signed off on the bogus affidavits to the FISA court to continue spying on Trump team members post-election and post-inauguration. They needed Mueller to cover up.

Key fact about Mueller: he is very close friends with Comey, and was the mentor and close friend of Rosenstein. Mueller is also expert at covering up for lawless law enforcement: see his role with Whitey Bulger, BCCI, HSBC, Waco, Noriega, IRS/Tea Party & Fast & Furious.

FISA law protects Americans from lawless spying by masking & deletion of intercepted data. If an Americans conversations are intercepted, his identity must remain hidden, and if no p/c of a crime, his conversations deleted. Hence, the importance of @Cernovich Susan Rice story.

FBI turned over their NSA spying capacity to a private lobbying company in order to promote a smear campaign against a domestic political opponent. Fearing being caught, they appointed a special counsel (Mueller) to cover for them by accusing the man (Trump) who might expose them

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/02/inside-the-hpsci-memo-a-key-distinction-being-conflated-title-i-vs-title-vii/
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Vlado posted...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com

wow, this sounds like a completely impartial and unbiased site.
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Man, you so badly want this to be a thing even though basic facts would tell you how wrong you are:

1. The FISA warrant was obtained after Carter Page was no longer a part of the Trump campaign.
2. The Steele Dossier was originally funded by Republicans.
3. The Dossier itself was not presented to the FISA courts, but rather the verifiable information from it along with other sources.
4. The FISA application has to be renewed ever 90 days based on new information, i.e. they cannot reuse information already used to gain the initial warrant.
5. John Kelly, the President's Chief of Staff, said it's not as damning as they would have hoped.
6. Devin Nunes, the "author" of the memo, did not write the memo nor did he actually read the FISA applications.
7. Trey Gowdy, who helped draft the memo, said memo does not discredit Mueller's Russia investigation.

I'm sorry if this is your first time getting BTFO, Vlado.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trey-gowdy-breaks-with-trump-fisa-memo-doesnt-have-any-impact-on-robert-muellers-investigation/article/2648046

"Not to me, it doesn't and I was pretty integrally involved in the drafting of it," Gowdy, a former federal prosecutor, said. "There is a Russia investigation without a dossier. So to the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice. So there's going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier."

Oooooooooooooh nooooooooooooooooooooooo...
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https://theintercept.com/2018/02/02/nunes-memo-fisa-trump-russia/

Even if the controversial Steele dossier and the FISA surveillance of Page had sparked the special counsels inquiry, this would not be the first time that politically motivated information led to a special counsel investigation. Conservative businessman Richard Mellon Scaife gave $2 million to the American Spectator in the early 1990s to investigate President Bill Clintons real estate investments and sexual harassment claims against him. Information from the reporting Scaife funded led in part the appointment of Kenneth Starr to investigate Clinton.

I'm sure you're just as disgusted at how Bill Clinton was treated, right?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSYGouap--Y

lmao, mainstream media reduced to GamerGate era game journo-level - colluding to release the same FAKE NEWS article simultaneously.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Man, you so badly want this to be a thing even though basic facts would tell you how wrong you are:

1. The FISA warrant was obtained after Carter Page was no longer a part of the Trump campaign.

Doesn't matter. It was filed while he was part of it. Intent is there.

2. The Steele Dossier was originally funded by Republicans.

DNC is "Republicans"? And even if the likes of McCain had contributed to it, that'd be no surprise whatsoever. GOPe = democraps = globalist pawns.

3. The Dossier itself was not presented to the FISA courts, but rather the verifiable information from it along with other sources.

lmfao, no. McCabe testified before Congress that the FISA warrant would have been impossible to get without the dossier.

4. The FISA application has to be renewed ever 90 days based on new information, i.e. they cannot reuse information already used to gain the initial warrant.
5. John Kelly, the President's Chief of Staff, said it's not as damning as they would have hoped.

So?

6. Devin Nunes, the "author" of the memo, did not write the memo nor did he actually read the FISA applications.

Who cares who wrote it? The facts in it are what matters.

7. Trey Gowdy, who helped draft the memo, said memo does not discredit Mueller's Russia investigation.

I didn't expect the memo to put an end to the investigation.

I'm sorry if this is your first time getting BTFO, Vlado.

Looks like you were BTFO as usual, instead.
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Yuge isn't a word, Vlado.
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Doesn't matter. It was filed while he was part of it. Intent is there.

Nope, filed while he was no longer part of the campaign.

Federal government investigators grew suspicious of Pages Russian contacts and a trip he took to Moscow during the campaign, so they wiretapped him in late October 2016. (Note that this was a month after Page had left the Trump campaign.)

DNC is "Republicans"? And even if the likes of McCain had contributed to it, that'd be no surprise whatsoever. GOPe = democraps = globalist pawns.

Nope, Fusion GPS was initially hired by Washington Free Beacon, a conservative publication, to do opposition research against Trump. DNC merely took over the the research.

lmfao, no. McCabe testified before Congress that the FISA warrant would have been impossible to get without the dossier.

That's what Nunes claimed, the same man who neither authored the memo, read the FISA warrants, or was even formally cleared by the Ethics Committee for actions that forced himself to recuse himself from the Russian Investigation.

I know this might sound crazy, but it sounds like Nunes might be full of shit. I'll wait to see if we ever get congressional transcripts of McCabe's testimony, but considering sources saying Nunes is 100% wrong about what McCabe said and Nunes history says he's a notorious liar, I feel little reason to give him the benefit of the doubt.

So?

The first one states that they could not continue to cite the bi-partisan dossier as part of continued surveillance, not to mention that they didn't actually directly cite the dossier. So in order to continue surveillance, they needed new information. Which they obviously got based on Page's actions.

The latter shows that Trump's claims of total vindication aren't believed by his own CoS.

Who cares who wrote it? The facts in it are what matters.

"Facts" that cannot be verified by the memo's publisher.

I didn't expect the memo to put an end to the investigation.

Trump does.

Also would like to add a few more things:

"Partisan" FBI Agent Peter Strzok sent text messages also highly critical of Hillary Clinton.
Major parts of the Steele Dossier have been proven true:
- Former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page met with representatives of Russian state-owned oil giant Rosneft.
- The Kremlin targeted educated youth and swing state voters during its cyber attacks in the 2016 campaign.
- Trump maintains ties to rich businessmen from Azerbaijan.
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Vlado, stop wasting time with all of the fake news garbage and get back on task. You are supposed to be finding proof of god so that god isn't fake.
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This is just the first memo!

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-03/nunes-fisa-memo-just-phase-one-now-targeting-state-department-phase-two

Haha, Trump is really looking for some real action here. :)
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TheRock1525 posted...

- Former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page met with representatives of Russian state-owned oil giant Rosneft.

Businessmen do business! Wow, what a shocking revelation!

- The Kremlin targeted educated youth and swing state voters during its cyber attacks in the 2016 campaign.

lmfao, I thought they'd hacked the election machines... err, the DNC... err, made twitter bots... err, paid a few thousands dollars in facebook ads about "black lives matter" that somehow won Trump the election?

Apparently this is now what the claims about "the Russian hackers" have been reduced to. Pathetic. And still not a shred of evidence, even for this utterly pathetic claim.

- Trump maintains ties to rich businessmen from Azerbaijan.

Businessmen do business! Wow, what a shocking revelation!
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Vlado posted...

This is just the first memo!

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-03/nunes-fisa-memo-just-phase-one-now-targeting-state-department-phase-two

Haha, Trump is really looking for some real action here. :)

Here a few lines you can use in this instance:

1) The first rule of zerohedge.com is that you don't talk about zerohedge.com
2) Vlado rebutts "fake news" by posting an article written by a fake personality of a fictional character
3) I was fine with the writer, but when I saw the editor was Bitch T***s Bob, I had to tap out.
4) I'm not sure I can believe this article since Ed Norton posted the exact opposite over on Jezebel.
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If you don't like ZeroHedge, you can just watch the embedded video below and hear Nunes talk.

Here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Js4TMKutCo
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Vlado posted...

If you don't like ZeroHedge

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The content of all collective vlado posts it is as follows: a nothing burger, 2 orders of nothing fries, a nothing soda, nothing onion rings, a nothing hot dog, nothing chicken nuggets or tenders, a nothing breakfast sandwich, a nothing ice cream sundae, a side nothing salad, various nothing side sauces, nothing ketchup packets, nothing blue cheese dressing for the salad, one of those nothing packets with the folded napkin with plastic utensils and the salt/pepper thing, a bunch of nothing napkins, free refills of the nothing soda, and a nothing fish sandwich.
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Vlado posted...

If you don't like ZeroHedge, you can just watch the embedded video below and hear Nunes talk.

Here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Js4TMKutCo

Lmao Vlado in this interview Nunes LITERALLY says he never actually read the classified documents he based his memo on.

He says Trae Gowdy was the person who read the documents.

You know what Trae Gowdy said about the memo?

"To the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower," Gowdy said. "The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice."

Gowdy was one of several lawmakers to say over the weekend that the memo did not vindicate the President

lmao
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Vlado posted...

Apparently this is now what the claims about "the Russian hackers" have been reduced to. Pathetic. And still not a shred of evidence, even for this utterly pathetic claim.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/report-dutch-spies-caught-russian-hackers-video-52625529

But you're right, it was totally Seth Rich leaking these emails.
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Also why haven't you proven God exists?
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TheRock1525 posted...

Vlado posted...

Apparently this is now what the claims about "the Russian hackers" have been reduced to. Pathetic. And still not a shred of evidence, even for this utterly pathetic claim.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/report-dutch-spies-caught-russian-hackers-video-52625529

But you're right, it was totally Seth Rich leaking these emails.

lmfao, so basically somebody said something. Imagine being so desperate to latch onto that.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

You know what Trae Gowdy said about the memo?

Already commented on that, read before creaming your pants. I'm well aware the "investigation" will not be allowed to stop until Trump takes full control of the government.

Here's a good watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWb5yOFCUU0

I underline the part starting at 19:45.
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Here's the deep state dog barking against the President. My question is, why do you people support the deep state? You realise they fucked with Obama when he went against their agenda, too (if you watch the segment of the above video that I highlighted).

Is your hatred of Trump stronger than your love of freedom?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIi38jCF-cc

And watch this puppet rattle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqpQrxJ1DgU

What is this if not outright admitting that the deep state runs the country, not the President that the people elect (and you may not like their choice now, but the last time you liked him)?
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Vlado posted...

lmfao, so basically somebody said something. Imagine being so desperate to latch onto that.

i could say the same thing about steven seagal's lawyer saying that steven seagal is not a sexual assaulter.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

is not

Burden of proof lies on the accuser.
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Did you read the actual memo itself?

Have you read anything weve said about how the FISA process works?

If not then gtfo with your "deep state" garbage. You don't have to conjecture wildly and connect the conspiracy dots. You can just read the actual plain information and connect the real dots.

..

But you don't want to do that, do you? You prefer to live in your make believe land where plain text information can be discounted and you can focus only on what you want.
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Also i feel like you don't understand how Checks and Balances work.

When we elect a president they do not get to play dictator for 4 years where everything they say goes.

This is especially true when the person elected actually lost the popular vote by actually millions of votes.

Trump being unable to get his way all the time is not indicative of a Deep State but is indicative of his inexperience in government. Just as its indicative of his policies meeting widespread public disapproval. When he's trying to force feed the country wildly unpopular plans he is going to meet resistance from the other elected officials who are being loudly told by their constituents that they dont want trumps policies.
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If burden of proof is on the accuser, then where is your proof that a deep state exists? Furthermore, why are YOU right that liberal globalists are secretly running everything, but why is that MORE plausible than a deep state run by Vladimir Putin?
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there's a globalist deep state, even though there's 0% evidence of american politicians ever speaking favorably of globalism or a one world government - very plausible
there's a putin run deep state, putin and trump speak favorably of each other - not plausible

somehow this makes sense in vlado's head.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Also i feel like you don't understand how Checks and Balances work.

When we elect a president they do not get to play dictator for 4 years where everything they say goes.

This is especially true when the person elected actually lost the popular vote by actually millions of votes.

Trump being unable to get his way all the time is not indicative of a Deep State but is indicative of his inexperience in government. Just as its indicative of his policies meeting widespread public disapproval. When he's trying to force feed the country wildly unpopular plans he is going to meet resistance from the other elected officials who are being loudly told by their constituents that they dont want trumps policies.

Still "muh popular vote" weaksauce excuses? If those had been the rules of the game, Trump would have went after the popular vote and still won. You do not understand how elections work, apparently.

You're spouting this nonsense because you're a fanboy of globalism. If your choice of president had won and was attacked by 90% of the press, you'd have been the one crying foul. This is a waste of time.

Here's a good read for people who still underestimate Trump:
http://blog.dilbert.com/2018/01/18/fake-news-awards-persuasive/#more-16736
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Also politically motivated judicial and alphabet appointments are apparently "checks and balances" now... lmfao
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Also fictional characters are apparently "journalists" now... lmfao
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Vlado posted...

Mr Lasastryke posted...

is not

Burden of proof lies on the accuser.

Speaking of which, you've accused both god and deep state of existing, yet you've neglected to provide the proof. The burden is on you.
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Vlado posted...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Also i feel like you don't understand how Checks and Balances work.

When we elect a president they do not get to play dictator for 4 years where everything they say goes.

This is especially true when the person elected actually lost the popular vote by actually millions of votes.

Trump being unable to get his way all the time is not indicative of a Deep State but is indicative of his inexperience in government. Just as its indicative of his policies meeting widespread public disapproval. When he's trying to force feed the country wildly unpopular plans he is going to meet resistance from the other elected officials who are being loudly told by their constituents that they dont want trumps policies.

*responds with 2 entire paragraphs of literally nothing*

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Seriously. Nothing he said has any relevance to what I said.

Im not saying he didn't win the presidency because of "muh popular vote". He clearly did win and he IS the president whether i like it or not.

But his lack of popularity, both during the election and since contributes in part to why he is accomplishing so little in terms of policy.

He is pushing a wall most people don't want.
Hes basing it on a lie that Mexico will pay for it, which no one believes anymore.

He is pushing for a prejudicial travel ban that most people don't want.
He is basing it on a lie that our procedures were previously lax when they have actually been quite stringent for some time.

Rather than focusing on new technologies and new jobs in renewable energy he campaigned on bringing back coal jobs. The jobs have not come back in any meaningful way and the facts all support the idea that thr coal industry has fundamentally changed and would not even support as many employees as it did in its heyday.

Trump's policies are thev reason that Trump's policies have not been working.

This is all domestic stuff and doesnt even begin to address the fact that he is a diplomatic embarrassment on the global stage.
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I think Vlado is trudging on physically but has given up in spirit.
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Props to Bulgaria for apparently being the only place on this planet where they follow the first rule of Fight Club.
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holy fuck did Vlado seriously post a article written by... Tyler Durden!?!

oh my god that's the most amazing thing to happen in any of these topics

like

literally "Tyler Durden" is below the level of existence of a direct cartoon character like Scooby Doo

this is like posting an article written by Radioactive Man from the Simpsons

although the idea that Vlado gets his news from his own psychological split personality that writes them during the night is an ever greater idea

but lmaoooo Mr. Fake News posting articles written by fake identity in a fiction universe, I just love this development so much
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Holy shit, imagine being so desperate you focus on an author's pseudonym instead of the facts of the article.

Because when WP, NYT, etc. journos wrote with their real names, that made their articles any less FAKE NEWS... lmfao

https://www.gop.com/the-highly-anticipated-2017-fake-news-awards/
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Vlado posted...

lmfao

According to Vlado's logic from the beginning of the topic, this and other similar acronyms for various types of laughter mean "I'm scared"
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Vlado posted...

I'll try to remember when you guys reply with "lol" - it reveals you're genuinely scared.

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Ironically Vlado has been using it in a majority of his posts.
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https://www.rt.com/usa/417924-referral-steele-clinton-campaign/

And this is presented by Graham, the most vocal anti-Russia guy in Senate after globalist lapdog McCain. Slight chance that the tables are turning. But the fact that this memo is mangled beyond recognition shows there's little to hope for. Most likely damage control, and they'll pin all blame on Steele.
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Vlado posted...

Holy shit, imagine being so desperate you focus on an author's pseudonym instead of the facts of the article.

Because when WP, NYT, etc. journos wrote with their real names, that made their articles any less FAKE NEWS... lmfao

Fake news or fake writers... neither one is actually doing you any favors.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Fake news or fake writers... neither one is actually doing you any favors.

Wrong. Whether one's real name is used or not has got nothing to do with the quality of the article.

The View co-host Joy Behar, a supposedly dyed-in-the-wool Democrat who has written a whole book about her hatred of Trump, gushed last year: I love George Bush now! Behars colleague on the panel Sunny Hostin praised the more thoughtful Bush for not instituting a Muslim travel ban after the 9/11 attacks. Evidently starting wars and actually killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims is thoughtful and a lesser sin than temporarily banning their entry into your country.

Indeed, this is the level of "logic" of today's liberals, i.e. globalism fanboys.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/417783-democrats-george-bush-fbi/
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Vlado what makes you think Putin isn't a globalist?
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Vlado what makes you think Putin isn't a globalist?

Russia's foreign policy.
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Vlado posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Vlado what makes you think Putin isn't a globalist?

Russia's foreign policy.

of annexing other countries and invasive social engineering?
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