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KhanJonson
01/14/18 11:03:48 AM
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Chad-Henne
01/14/18 11:04:55 AM
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creativerealms
01/14/18 11:05:22 AM
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He can blame Dems all he wants but in reality he wanted it dead all along.

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cjsdowg
01/14/18 11:05:44 AM
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I was just about post this. The worst part of this shit is that she says...

DACA is probably dead because the Democrats dont really want it, they just want to talk and take desperately needed money away from our Military.
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What the ever loving fuck. We spend more on our Military then the next few nations added together.
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Doom_Art
01/14/18 11:05:56 AM
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...he's the one who rescinded it
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Antifar
01/14/18 11:06:29 AM
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Note: a shutdown would not impact the military basically at all. Be cool if it did, though.
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Phantom_Nook
01/14/18 11:08:08 AM
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Fart of the Deal.
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Wolf_J_Flywheel
01/14/18 11:08:27 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
...he's the one who rescinded it

It was illegal, he asked congress to come up with a legal replacement. They failed.
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dr_marble
01/14/18 11:09:22 AM
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Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
Doom_Art posted...
...he's the one who rescinded it

It was illegal, he asked congress to come up with a legal replacement. They failed.

Ah, yes, I remember the Obama-era court case like it was yesterday.
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littlebro07
01/14/18 11:11:04 AM
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Remember the other day when he said "whatever these guys come to me with, I'm gonna sign even if I don't like it"

lol
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cjsdowg
01/14/18 11:11:09 AM
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Will Trump be sending his wife back, since she worked here illegal? Funny how his supporters.
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creativerealms
01/14/18 11:11:29 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
I was just about post this. The worst part of this shit is that she says...

DACA is probably dead because the Democrats dont really want it, they just want to talk and take desperately needed money away from our Military.
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What the ever loving fuck. We spend more on our Military then the next few nations added together.

We could use less spending for our military. Of course republicans think any type of reduced military spending is "Gutting" the military. It is already the biggest military in the world with the most powerful and advanced weapons and has the most money. A slight reduction wouldn't hurt it. I thought reducing spending was what the republicans wanted.
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dr_marble
01/14/18 11:11:46 AM
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littlebro07 posted...
Remember the other day when he said "whatever these guys come to me with, I'm gonna sign even if I don't like it"

lol

For real though.
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KhanJonson
01/14/18 11:44:52 AM
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Pretty scumbaggy
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Anime_Killer17
01/14/18 11:56:18 AM
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Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
Doom_Art posted...
...he's the one who rescinded it

It was illegal, he asked congress to come up with a legal replacement. They failed.


How was it illegal exactly? I'm honestly curious, not calling you out or anything
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Wolf_J_Flywheel
01/14/18 12:29:20 PM
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Anime_Killer17 posted...
Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
Doom_Art posted...
...he's the one who rescinded it

It was illegal, he asked congress to come up with a legal replacement. They failed.


How was it illegal exactly? I'm honestly curious, not calling you out or anything

He bypassed congress to change an immigration law. Without input or a vote by congress, it's illegal.
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BLAKUboy
01/14/18 12:42:35 PM
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Last I heard the courts blocked his "repeal" of DACA anyway. Did something change or is he ignoring reality again?
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ThePieReborn
01/14/18 1:14:09 PM
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Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
Anime_Killer17 posted...
Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
Doom_Art posted...
...he's the one who rescinded it

It was illegal, he asked congress to come up with a legal replacement. They failed.


How was it illegal exactly? I'm honestly curious, not calling you out or anything

He bypassed congress to change an immigration law. Without input or a vote by congress, it's illegal.

Not necessarily, given that it was drafted and executed under the guise of executive discretion which operates under the reality that only so many resources exist and said resources may be allocated under said discretion unless it is explicitly limited via the other branches. Further, going the constitutional law route, the President's capacity to take certain action is limited by whether the other branches are in line with the executive or not. As you said, Congress provided no official input because the bill never came to a vote in one house (I forget which). On separation of powers issues, the Supreme Court has generally taken situations such as this not as a situation where Congress is actively opposing the President's action. It is entirely plausible (particularly given the previous DREAM Act that was law and the Court, barring other factors, could interpret that and its passage in one house as implications of consent) that DACA was perfectly legal.

Source: regurgitation of Constitutional Law notes from last semester.
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ItsYourFault
01/14/18 1:21:21 PM
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He is such a piece of shit.

Its a legitimate embarrassment that he is President.
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BLAKUboy
01/14/18 1:22:10 PM
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There is no court ruling that holds DACA as unconstitutional or illegal. There is no grounds for such a claim to be made.
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Mal_Fet
01/14/18 1:22:35 PM
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I've still never gotten a good explanation for why these kids deserve citizenship before the kids who have already applied for citizenship legally do.
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hockeybub89
01/14/18 1:24:05 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
I've still never gotten a good explanation for why these kids deserve citizenship before the kids who have already applied for citizenship legally do.

That sounds like the problem is with how legal citizenship works.

I don't know if I quite understand what you mean by it being easier though. I'm no immigration expert.
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Mal_Fet
01/14/18 1:27:14 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
I've still never gotten a good explanation for why these kids deserve citizenship before the kids who have already applied for citizenship legally do.

That sounds like the problem is with how legal citizenship works.

Legal immigration would be a much faster process if laws against illegal immigration were enforced heavily enough

And there also wouldn't be a huge population of young people who grew up almost exclusively in America either
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hockeybub89
01/14/18 1:29:51 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
I've still never gotten a good explanation for why these kids deserve citizenship before the kids who have already applied for citizenship legally do.

That sounds like the problem is with how legal citizenship works.

Legal immigration would be a much faster process if laws against illegal immigration were enforced heavily enough

And there also wouldn't be a huge population of young people who grew up almost exclusively in America either

Why can't they just speed up the process regardless?

These dreamers didn't ask to be put here, but this is their country. We can't just kick them out. We have to deal.
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cjsdowg
01/14/18 1:31:05 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
I've still never gotten a good explanation for why these kids deserve citizenship before the kids who have already applied for citizenship legally do.


They willingly signed into a program that tracks them.
To stay in this program they have to be productive members of the community .
Many know nothing of their homeland.
They were not the people who came here illegally, their parents did.

Anything else ?
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Blue_Inigo
01/14/18 1:32:26 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
I've still never gotten a good explanation for why these kids deserve citizenship before the kids who have already applied for citizenship legally do.

Since you defended the nazis at the Charlottesville riots, Im sure every explanation you heard went in one ear and out the other
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ItsYourFault
01/14/18 1:33:27 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
I've still never gotten a good explanation for why these kids deserve citizenship before the kids who have already applied for citizenship legally do.

Since you defended the nazis at the Charlottesville riots, Im sure every explanation you heard went in one ear and out the other

i love how he never addresses the cruelty of it either, or the presidents pathetic behavior.
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hockeybub89
01/14/18 1:36:54 PM
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ItsYourFault posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
I've still never gotten a good explanation for why these kids deserve citizenship before the kids who have already applied for citizenship legally do.

Since you defended the nazis at the Charlottesville riots, Im sure every explanation you heard went in one ear and out the other

i love how he never addresses the cruelty of it either, or the presidents pathetic behavior.

He's not a Republican though. He can just never figure out a bad thing to say about an idiotic, immature Twitter whore that is the leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world.
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DeanAuryn
01/14/18 1:44:02 PM
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How dare you call him a scumbag animal?

Scumbag animals like me dont want to be associated with him.
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ItsYourFault
01/14/18 1:45:15 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
ItsYourFault posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
I've still never gotten a good explanation for why these kids deserve citizenship before the kids who have already applied for citizenship legally do.

Since you defended the nazis at the Charlottesville riots, Im sure every explanation you heard went in one ear and out the other

i love how he never addresses the cruelty of it either, or the presidents pathetic behavior.

He's not a Republican though. He can just never figure out a bad thing to say about an idiotic, immature Twitter whore that is the leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world.

its sad. it would be less sad if it was a gimmick, sadly, its not.
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Mal_Fet
01/14/18 1:45:56 PM
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Bullet_Wing posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
I've still never gotten a good explanation for why these kids deserve citizenship before the kids who have already applied for citizenship legally do.

Because these people have already lived here (through no choice of their own) built up a life, a family. Have a job, and an education in a lot of cases. Their "home" country is as foreign to them as it is to us almost. They were taken as little kids and have no real ties.

Why does living in the US longer make them more deserving though? Why punish the people immigrating legally because their parents decided to obey the law rather than sneak in?

Blue_Inigo posted...
Since you defended the nazis at the Charlottesville riots,

I never defended Nazis.
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Blue_Inigo
01/14/18 1:47:20 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Bullet_Wing posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
I've still never gotten a good explanation for why these kids deserve citizenship before the kids who have already applied for citizenship legally do.

Because these people have already lived here (through no choice of their own) built up a life, a family. Have a job, and an education in a lot of cases. Their "home" country is as foreign to them as it is to us almost. They were taken as little kids and have no real ties.

Why does living in the US longer make them more deserving though? Why punish the people immigrating legally because their parents decided to obey the law rather than sneak in?

Blue_Inigo posted...
Since you defended the nazis at the Charlottesville riots,

I never defended Nazis.

If youre consistent about one thing, it's always being inconsistent
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Mal_Fet
01/14/18 1:49:52 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
If youre consistent about one thing, it's always being inconsistent

Unfortunately I'll never be consistent to you when you claim I did said in the past that I never actually said.

But I'm ok with that, frankly.
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Blue_Inigo
01/14/18 1:51:59 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
If youre consistent about one thing, it's always being inconsistent

Unfortunately I'll never be consistent to you when you claim I did said in the past that I never actually said.

But I'm ok with that, frankly.

You can lie all you want but you did indeed defend the Nazis at the riot. Its like a scarlet L forever imprinted on your pale forehead showing that your word and your posts hold no value
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Mal_Fet
01/14/18 1:54:04 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
You can lie all you want but you did indeed defend the Nazis at the riot.

Actually I didn't.

Bullet_Wing posted...
Because in most cases, these kids are actually contributing members of the community.

Ok but why do they deserve citizenship before the people who are immigrating legally
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JE19426
01/14/18 1:57:28 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
I've still never gotten a good explanation for why these kids deserve citizenship before the kids who have already applied for citizenship legally do.


Who cares? DACA doesn't allow for a path to citizenship. So why does it matter whether they deserve citizenship or not?
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Mal_Fet
01/14/18 1:59:22 PM
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JE19426 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
I've still never gotten a good explanation for why these kids deserve citizenship before the kids who have already applied for citizenship legally do.


Who cares? DACA doesn't allow for a path to citizenship. So why does it matter whether they deserve citizenship or not?

Because amnesty doesn't work and never has. We know it only engenders more illegal immigration and we will be in this same exact position in 15 years if DACA is allowed to remain.
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JE19426
01/14/18 2:00:43 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Because amnesty doesn't work and never has. We know it only engenders more illegal immigration and we will be in this same exact position in 15 years if DACA is allowed to remain.


What does any of that have to do with whether or not they deserve citizenship?
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hockeybub89
01/14/18 2:00:50 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Why does living in the US longer make them more deserving though? Why punish the people immigrating legally because their parents decided to obey the law rather than sneak in?

We can try not punishing immigrants then?
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KingCrabCake
01/14/18 2:02:32 PM
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Mal_Fet
01/14/18 2:03:32 PM
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JE19426 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Because amnesty doesn't work and never has. We know it only engenders more illegal immigration and we will be in this same exact position in 15 years if DACA is allowed to remain.


What does any of that have to do with whether or not they deserve citizenship?

That's my argument against DACA, it's unrelated to the question of whether the beneficiaries if DACA deserve it.

hockeybub89 posted...
We can try not punishing immigrants then?

The only people punishing immigrants are the people who are getting to reward illegal immigrants for skirting the law.
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KingCrabCake
01/14/18 2:04:07 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
I was just about post this. The worst part of this shit is that she says...

DACA is probably dead because the Democrats dont really want it, they just want to talk and take desperately needed money away from our Military.
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What the ever loving fuck. We spend more on our Military then the next few nations added together.


Our military is out of date...and theres a reason we spend more than other nations...ITS BECAUSE WE BASICALLY ARE THEIR MILITARY TOO.

Holy shit
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JE19426
01/14/18 2:05:15 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
That's my argument against DACA, it's unrelated to the question of whether the beneficiaries if DACA deserve it.


Your question was why DACA kids deserve citizenship. I want to know why you think it matters.
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