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Mal_Fet 01/14/18 2:08:39 PM #51:	Bullet_Wing posted... Look at it from a purely economic perspective then. Ok https://www.cbo.gov/publication/53410 CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) estimate that enacting S. 1615 would increase direct spending by $26.8 billion over the 2018-2027 period. Over that same period, CBO and JCT estimate that the bill would increase revenues, on net, by $0.9 billiona decline in on-budget revenues of $4.3 billion and an increase in off-budget revenues of $5.3 billion. I dunno where you're getting this idea that DACA is only for those who are contributing to the country, but it's not. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:894038521] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bullet_Wing posted...</cite> <quote>Look at it from a purely economic perspective then.</quote> Ok https://www.cbo.gov/publication/53410 <quote> CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) estimate that enacting S. 1615 would increase direct spending by $26.8 billion over the 2018-2027 period. Over that same period, CBO and JCT estimate that the bill would increase revenues, on net, by $0.9 billiona decline in on-budget revenues of $4.3 billion and an increase in off-budget revenues of $5.3 billion.</quote> I dunno where you're getting this idea that DACA is only for those who are contributing to the country, but it's not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 01/14/18 2:11:24 PM #52:	JE19426 posted... Mal_Fet posted... That's my argument against DACA, it's unrelated to the question of whether the beneficiaries if DACA deserve it. Your question was why DACA kids deserve citizenship. I want to know why you think it matters. Because they're here illegally shrugs --- Waaaah. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:894038707] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>That's my argument against DACA, it's unrelated to the question of whether the beneficiaries if DACA deserve it.</quote> Your question was why DACA kids deserve citizenship. I want to know why you think it matters.</quote> Because they're here illegally shrugs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 01/14/18 2:14:53 PM #54:	Bullet_Wing posted... Fine. Compromise. Those who are on DACA and have a job/aren't on welfare can be allowed to become citizens. After all the legal immigrants in the system who have job prospects in the US get citizenship, of course. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:894038933] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bullet_Wing posted...</cite> <quote>Fine. Compromise. Those who are on DACA and have a job/aren't on welfare can be allowed to become citizens.</quote> After all the legal immigrants in the system who have job prospects in the US get citizenship, of course.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 01/14/18 2:15:17 PM #55:	Bullet_Wing posted... Mal_Fet posted... Bullet_Wing posted... Look at it from a purely economic perspective then. Ok https://www.cbo.gov/publication/53410 CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) estimate that enacting S. 1615 would increase direct spending by $26.8 billion over the 2018-2027 period. Over that same period, CBO and JCT estimate that the bill would increase revenues, on net, by $0.9 billiona decline in on-budget revenues of $4.3 billion and an increase in off-budget revenues of $5.3 billion. I dunno where you're getting this idea that DACA is only for those who are contributing to the country, but it's not. Fine. Compromise. Those who are on DACA and have a job/aren't on welfare can be allowed to become citizens. The others who leech off the system can be shown the door. Fair? I rather keep the ones in school with good grades or a job stay and become permanent citizens as well. If you're failing school, have gotten in trouble with the law, and/or unemployed --- Waaaah. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:894038962] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bullet_Wing posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bullet_Wing posted...</cite> <quote>Look at it from a purely economic perspective then.</quote> Ok https://www.cbo.gov/publication/53410 <quote> CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) estimate that enacting S. 1615 would increase direct spending by $26.8 billion over the 2018-2027 period. Over that same period, CBO and JCT estimate that the bill would increase revenues, on net, by $0.9 billiona decline in on-budget revenues of $4.3 billion and an increase in off-budget revenues of $5.3 billion.</quote> I dunno where you're getting this idea that DACA is only for those who are contributing to the country, but it's not.</quote> Fine. Compromise. Those who are on DACA and have a job/aren't on welfare can be allowed to become citizens. The others who leech off the system can be shown the door. Fair?</quote> I rather keep the ones in school with good grades or a job stay and become permanent citizens as well. If you're failing school, have gotten in trouble with the law, and/or unemployed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 01/14/18 2:16:01 PM #56:	KingCrabCake posted... Because they're here illegally shrugs I don't see why you think that makes it relevant to the conversation. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:894038999] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>Because they're here illegally shrugs</quote> I don't see why you think that makes it relevant to the conversation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KingCrabCake 01/14/18 2:16:40 PM #58:	JE19426 posted... KingCrabCake posted... Because they're here illegally shrugs I don't see why you think that makes it relevant to the conversation. Sorry i cant draw you a picture --- Waaaah. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:894039045] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>Because they're here illegally shrugs</quote> I don't see why you think that makes it relevant to the conversation.</quote> Sorry i cant draw you a picture</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 01/14/18 2:19:13 PM #60:	Bullet_Wing posted... Mal_Fet posted... Bullet_Wing posted... Fine. Compromise. Those who are on DACA and have a job/aren't on welfare can be allowed to become citizens. After all the legal immigrants in the system who have job prospects in the US get citizenship, of course. But they don't get deported in the meantime. The ones with jobs and who are contributing members of society, that is. Sure, but I hope you realize you're no longer defending DACA --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:894039228] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bullet_Wing posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bullet_Wing posted...</cite> <quote>Fine. Compromise. Those who are on DACA and have a job/aren't on welfare can be allowed to become citizens.</quote> After all the legal immigrants in the system who have job prospects in the US get citizenship, of course.</quote> But they don't get deported in the meantime. The ones with jobs and who are contributing members of society, that is.</quote> Sure, but I hope you realize you're no longer defending DACA</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 01/14/18 2:23:18 PM #61:	KingCrabCake posted... Sorry i cant draw you a picture No one's asking you to draw one. I'm asking you (or Mal or anyone) why the question, of whether or not DACA kids deserve citizenship, is relevant to this conversation. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:894039542] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>Sorry i cant draw you a picture</quote> No one's asking you to draw one. I'm asking you (or Mal or anyone) why the question, of whether or not DACA kids deserve citizenship, is relevant to this conversation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 01/14/18 2:32:02 PM #62:	Mal_Fet posted... The only people punishing immigrants are the people who are trying to reward illegal immigrants for skirting the law What does one have to do with the other? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:894040125] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>The only people punishing immigrants are the people who are trying to reward illegal immigrants for skirting the law</quote> What does one have to do with the other?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePyreThatBurns 01/14/18 2:43:29 PM #63:	I have no problem with another amnesty act. Reagan's amnesty act (Disclaimer: I was 14 in 1986) did not destroy the country by ultimately allowing 2.7 million (out of a possible 3 million) become citizens. If the country did not self-destruct at that point, I don't think that (for the sake of argument, I'll use the same 90% ratio for the 690K that are still on DACA) allowing 621K will destroy the country either. In fact, with an Amnesty act, I would also include a provision that pulls INS completely out of "sanctuary City/States". The obvious pros/cons of this approach would be that the Sanctuary City/State would both reap the benefits and incur the costs of their stance. In other words, they would be solely responsible for the immigrants within their borders. (In the event that they wanted to reverse status, a reversal of status would only be accepted by the Federal Government if it were ratified through popular vote.) For the Repubs who dislike this plan, think about this: DACA was set up the way it was so it could act as a veiled threat. "If you vote Republican, they'll take away the immigration status of you or your friends/loved ones". If you remove the boogyman threat of deportation away, you might find that the Democrats have to work much harder to get votes from the Hispanic community. (Example: while the Catholic church's influence is declining in Mexico, it is still a heavily dominant religion up to and including the pro-life stance. The same applies for First-gen immigrants.) If the Repubs could think long-term with this issue, they might actually benefit from an amnesty act. In the end, Amnesty would be an "Everyone wins AND loses" act.....which is the hallmark of an excellent compromise. I'd be okay with that. --- As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy-Abraham Lincoln <cite>ThePyreThatBurns posted [p:894040882] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote>I have no problem with another amnesty act. Reagan's amnesty act (Disclaimer: I was 14 in 1986) did not destroy the country by ultimately allowing 2.7 million (out of a possible 3 million) become citizens. If the country did not self-destruct at that point, I don't think that (for the sake of argument, I'll use the same 90% ratio for the 690K that are still on DACA) allowing 621K will destroy the country either. In fact, with an Amnesty act, I would also include a provision that pulls INS completely out of "sanctuary City/States". The obvious pros/cons of this approach would be that the Sanctuary City/State would both reap the benefits and incur the costs of their stance. In other words, they would be solely responsible for the immigrants within their borders. (In the event that they wanted to reverse status, a reversal of status would only be accepted by the Federal Government if it were ratified through popular vote.) For the Repubs who dislike this plan, think about this: DACA was set up the way it was so it could act as a veiled threat. "If you vote Republican, they'll take away the immigration status of you or your friends/loved ones". If you remove the boogyman threat of deportation away, you might find that the Democrats have to work much harder to get votes from the Hispanic community. (Example: while the Catholic church's influence is declining in Mexico, it is still a heavily dominant religion up to and including the pro-life stance. The same applies for First-gen immigrants.) If the Repubs could think long-term with this issue, they might actually benefit from an amnesty act. In the end, Amnesty would be an "Everyone wins AND loses" act.....which is the hallmark of an excellent compromise. I'd be okay with that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not_shawn_z 01/14/18 2:45:55 PM #64:	Not for nothing but the Dems had a deal and didn't take it The real issue is that the left loves illegal votes, and the right loves illegal labor. No one, other than President Trump and the 60 million that voted for him, want to actually remedy the issue <cite>not_shawn_z posted [p:894041007] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote>Not for nothing but the Dems had a deal and didn't take it The real issue is that the left loves illegal votes, and the right loves illegal labor. No one, other than President Trump and the 60 million that voted for him, want to actually remedy the issue</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 01/14/18 2:47:28 PM #65:	not_shawn_z posted... Not for nothing but the Dems had a deal and didn't take it The real issue is that the left loves illegal votes, and the right loves illegal labor. No one, other than President Trump and the 60 million that voted for him, want to actually remedy the issue No, sorry. You do not get to separate Trump and his supporters from the political spectrum. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:894041092] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>not_shawn_z posted...</cite> <quote>Not for nothing but the Dems had a deal and didn't take it The real issue is that the left loves illegal votes, and the right loves illegal labor. No one, other than President Trump and the 60 million that voted for him, want to actually remedy the issue</quote> No, sorry. You do not get to separate Trump and his supporters from the political spectrum.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 01/14/18 2:48:39 PM #66:	Doom_Art posted... ...he's the one who rescinded it Fake News. Bill Clinton stormed the white house and signed it, before Hillary flew him out with a helicopter. --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:894041144] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>...he's the one who rescinded it</quote> Fake News. Bill Clinton stormed the white house and signed it, before Hillary flew him out with a helicopter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not_shawn_z 01/14/18 2:49:37 PM #67:	hockeybub89 posted... not_shawn_z posted... Not for nothing but the Dems had a deal and didn't take it The real issue is that the left loves illegal votes, and the right loves illegal labor. No one, other than President Trump and the 60 million that voted for him, want to actually remedy the issue No, sorry. You do not get to separate Trump and his supporters from the political spectrum. Not sure what you're talking about, sorry <cite>not_shawn_z posted [p:894041184] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>not_shawn_z posted...</cite> <quote>Not for nothing but the Dems had a deal and didn't take it The real issue is that the left loves illegal votes, and the right loves illegal labor. No one, other than President Trump and the 60 million that voted for him, want to actually remedy the issue</quote> No, sorry. You do not get to separate Trump and his supporters from the political spectrum.</quote> Not sure what you're talking about, sorry</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Typhon 01/14/18 2:57:30 PM #69:	cjsdowg posted... To stay in this program they have to be productive members of the community Pretty sure this is bullshit. <cite>Typhon posted [p:894041634] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote>To stay in this program they have to be productive members of the community</quote> Pretty sure this is bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not_shawn_z 01/14/18 3:03:44 PM #70:	The DACA solution is incredibly simple. The problem, as I mentioned, is that the left nor the right really want to solve the issue, because they love illegal votes and labor. The left and the right need to stop blanketing it. DACA recipients need to be look at an individual basis 1) never committed any crimes, other than the illegal entry 2) never was on government assistance 3) shows drive to assimilate into America You hit that criteria, you get amnesty. No voting, and no chain migration. It's that simple. Its a very fair deal. The democrats and republicans arguing against this deal should be ashamed of themselves <cite>not_shawn_z posted [p:894042039] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote>The DACA solution is incredibly simple. The problem, as I mentioned, is that the left nor the right really want to solve the issue, because they love illegal votes and labor. The left and the right need to stop blanketing it. DACA recipients need to be look at an individual basis 1) never committed any crimes, other than the illegal entry 2) never was on government assistance 3) shows drive to assimilate into America You hit that criteria, you get amnesty. No voting, and no chain migration. It's that simple. Its a very fair deal. The democrats and republicans arguing against this deal should be ashamed of themselves</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not_shawn_z 01/14/18 3:06:22 PM #71:	Lol just saw the topic title too. Disgusting, TC <cite>not_shawn_z posted [p:894042199] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote>Lol just saw the topic title too. Disgusting, TC</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 01/14/18 3:24:29 PM #72:	JE19426 posted... KingCrabCake posted... Sorry i cant draw you a picture No one's asking you to draw one. I'm asking you (or Mal or anyone) why the question, of whether or not DACA kids deserve citizenship, is relevant to this conversation. Because if they don't deserve citizenship more than the people already in the process of immigrating legally then there's no argument to be made for DACA to even exist. It's that simple. hockeybub89 posted... Mal_Fet posted... The only people punishing immigrants are the people who are trying to reward illegal immigrants for skirting the law What does one have to do with the other? Only a certain number of immigrants are allowed into the US at a time. Letting people cut in line screws over all the immigrants behind them. ThePyreThatBurns posted... I have no problem with another amnesty act. Reagan's amnesty act (Disclaimer: I was 14 in 1986) did not destroy the country by ultimately allowing 2.7 million (out of a possible 3 million) become citizens. If the country did not self-destruct at that point, I don't think that (for the sake of argument, I'll use the same 90% ratio for the 690K that are still on DACA) allowing 621K will destroy the country either. The country didn't "self - destruct", but it did give us a way bigger illegal immigration problem than we had in the 80's, in no small part thanks to the amnesty bill giving hope to incoming illegals that they too might get amnesty down the line. Like what DACA is --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:894043412] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>Sorry i cant draw you a picture</quote> No one's asking you to draw one. I'm asking you (or Mal or anyone) why the question, of whether or not DACA kids deserve citizenship, is relevant to this conversation.</quote> Because if they don't deserve citizenship more than the people already in the process of immigrating legally then there's no argument to be made for DACA to even exist. It's that simple. <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>The only people punishing immigrants are the people who are trying to reward illegal immigrants for skirting the law</quote> What does one have to do with the other?</quote> Only a certain number of immigrants are allowed into the US at a time. Letting people cut in line screws over all the immigrants behind them. <cite>ThePyreThatBurns posted...</cite> <quote>I have no problem with another amnesty act. Reagan's amnesty act (Disclaimer: I was 14 in 1986) did not destroy the country by ultimately allowing 2.7 million (out of a possible 3 million) become citizens. If the country did not self-destruct at that point, I don't think that (for the sake of argument, I'll use the same 90% ratio for the 690K that are still on DACA) allowing 621K will destroy the country either. </quote> The country didn't "self - destruct", but it did give us a way bigger illegal immigration problem than we had in the 80's, in no small part thanks to the amnesty bill giving hope to incoming illegals that they too might get amnesty down the line. Like what DACA is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not_shawn_z 01/14/18 3:31:31 PM #73:	Mal_Fet posted... ThePyreThatBurns posted... I have no problem with another amnesty act. Reagan's amnesty act (Disclaimer: I was 14 in 1986) did not destroy the country by ultimately allowing 2.7 million (out of a possible 3 million) become citizens. If the country did not self-destruct at that point, I don't think that (for the sake of argument, I'll use the same 90% ratio for the 690K that are still on DACA) allowing 621K will destroy the country either. It didn't destroy the country but as the above poster said, things did change, and it completely altered the demographic and electorate of california. California never went red again, just a year or two after that passed <cite>not_shawn_z posted [p:894043905] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>ThePyreThatBurns posted... I have no problem with another amnesty act. Reagan's amnesty act (Disclaimer: I was 14 in 1986) did not destroy the country by ultimately allowing 2.7 million (out of a possible 3 million) become citizens. If the country did not self-destruct at that point, I don't think that (for the sake of argument, I'll use the same 90% ratio for the 690K that are still on DACA) allowing 621K will destroy the country either. </quote> It didn't destroy the country but as the above poster said, things did change, and it completely altered the demographic and electorate of california. California never went red again, just a year or two after that passed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 01/14/18 3:58:34 PM #74:	Mal_Fet posted... Because if they don't deserve citizenship more than the people already in the process of immigrating legally then there's no argument to be made for DACA to even exist. How so? DACA doesn't give them citizenship. So why does whether or not they deserve citizenship affect whether DACA should exist? <cite>JE19426 posted [p:894045886] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Because if they don't deserve citizenship more than the people already in the process of immigrating legally then there's no argument to be made for DACA to even exist.</quote> How so? DACA doesn't give them citizenship. So why does whether or not they deserve citizenship affect whether DACA should exist?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 01/14/18 6:08:21 PM #75:	JE19426 posted... How so? DACA doesn't give them citizenship. So why does whether or not they deserve citizenship affect whether DACA should exist? Because... uh, but Hillary! --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera http://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:894054687] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote>How so? DACA doesn't give them citizenship. So why does whether or not they deserve citizenship affect whether DACA should exist?</quote> Because... uh, but Hillary!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePyreThatBurns 01/14/18 6:11:37 PM #76:	Mal_Fet posted... ThePyreThatBurns posted... I have no problem with another amnesty act. Reagan's amnesty act (Disclaimer: I was 14 in 1986) did not destroy the country by ultimately allowing 2.7 million (out of a possible 3 million) become citizens. If the country did not self-destruct at that point, I don't think that (for the sake of argument, I'll use the same 90% ratio for the 690K that are still on DACA) allowing 621K will destroy the country either. The country didn't "self - destruct", but it did give us a way bigger illegal immigration problem than we had in the 80's, in no small part thanks to the amnesty bill giving hope to incoming illegals that they too might get amnesty down the line. Like what DACA is I'm not hearing a realistic solution. However you feel about why they're here or whether they should be here in the first place, they're here. Mass deportation is not a realistic solution and continuing to kick the can down the road won't help matters either. Keeping them in some form of quasi-citizen/economic slave status isn't a viable option. not_shawn_z posted... Mal_Fet posted... ThePyreThatBurns posted... I have no problem with another amnesty act. Reagan's amnesty act (Disclaimer: I was 14 in 1986) did not destroy the country by ultimately allowing 2.7 million (out of a possible 3 million) become citizens. If the country did not self-destruct at that point, I don't think that (for the sake of argument, I'll use the same 90% ratio for the 690K that are still on DACA) allowing 621K will destroy the country either. It didn't destroy the country but as the above poster said, things did change, and it completely altered the demographic and electorate of california. California never went red again, just a year or two after that passed And that's a problem? (Although, if CA employers suddenly have to pay their slave labor force a living wage and health benefits, that might not help the blue cause as much as you think.) --- As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy-Abraham Lincoln <cite>ThePyreThatBurns posted [p:894054871] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>ThePyreThatBurns posted...</cite> <quote>I have no problem with another amnesty act. Reagan's amnesty act (Disclaimer: I was 14 in 1986) did not destroy the country by ultimately allowing 2.7 million (out of a possible 3 million) become citizens. If the country did not self-destruct at that point, I don't think that (for the sake of argument, I'll use the same 90% ratio for the 690K that are still on DACA) allowing 621K will destroy the country either. </quote> The country didn't "self - destruct", but it did give us a way bigger illegal immigration problem than we had in the 80's, in no small part thanks to the amnesty bill giving hope to incoming illegals that they too might get amnesty down the line. Like what DACA is</quote> I'm not hearing a realistic solution. However you feel about why they're here or whether they should be here in the first place, they're here. Mass deportation is not a realistic solution and continuing to kick the can down the road won't help matters either. Keeping them in some form of quasi-citizen/economic slave status isn't a viable option. <cite>not_shawn_z posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>ThePyreThatBurns posted... I have no problem with another amnesty act. Reagan's amnesty act (Disclaimer: I was 14 in 1986) did not destroy the country by ultimately allowing 2.7 million (out of a possible 3 million) become citizens. If the country did not self-destruct at that point, I don't think that (for the sake of argument, I'll use the same 90% ratio for the 690K that are still on DACA) allowing 621K will destroy the country either. </quote> It didn't destroy the country but as the above poster said, things did change, and it completely altered the demographic and electorate of california. California never went red again, just a year or two after that passed</quote> And that's a problem? (Although, if CA employers suddenly have to pay their slave labor force a living wage and health benefits, that might not help the blue cause as much as you think.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not_shawn_z 01/14/18 7:17:51 PM #77:	ThePyreThatBurns posted... And that's a problem? It is a little messed up, yeah. I know you won't see it that way, since it's your party. But it definitely is worth noting given the context of the question <cite>not_shawn_z posted [p:894059066] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePyreThatBurns posted...</cite> <quote>And that's a problem? </quote> It is a little messed up, yeah. I know you won't see it that way, since it's your party. But it definitely is worth noting given the context of the question</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 01/14/18 9:55:34 PM #78:	ThePyreThatBurns posted... I'm not hearing a realistic solution. The solution is to enforce immigration law as it is written, not to allow illegal families sanctuary until their kids are all grown up and now face deportation long after they're socially entrenched in the country they aren't supposed to be in. If the law was enforced to begin with, this wouldn't be a problem. The longer illegals are given sanctuary, the bigger the problem will get. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:894069134] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePyreThatBurns posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not hearing a realistic solution. </quote> The solution is to enforce immigration law as it is written, not to allow illegal families sanctuary until their kids are all grown up and now face deportation long after they're socially entrenched in the country they aren't supposed to be in. If the law was enforced to begin with, this wouldn't be a problem. The longer illegals are given sanctuary, the bigger the problem will get.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 01/15/18 12:06:49 AM #79:	Mal_Fet posted... The solution is to enforce immigration law as it is written, not to allow illegal families sanctuary until their kids are all grown up and now face deportation long after they're socially entrenched in the country they aren't supposed to be in. If the law was enforced to begin with, this wouldn't be a problem. The longer illegals are given sanctuary, the bigger the problem will get. Should Trump wife be deported ? --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:894075908] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> The solution is to enforce immigration law as it is written, not to allow illegal families sanctuary until their kids are all grown up and now face deportation long after they're socially entrenched in the country they aren't supposed to be in. If the law was enforced to begin with, this wouldn't be a problem. The longer illegals are given sanctuary, the bigger the problem will get.</quote> Should Trump wife be deported ?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HiddenLurker 01/15/18 12:18:13 AM #80:	not_shawn_z posted... Mal_Fet posted... ThePyreThatBurns posted... I have no problem with another amnesty act. Reagan's amnesty act (Disclaimer: I was 14 in 1986) did not destroy the country by ultimately allowing 2.7 million (out of a possible 3 million) become citizens. If the country did not self-destruct at that point, I don't think that (for the sake of argument, I'll use the same 90% ratio for the 690K that are still on DACA) allowing 621K will destroy the country either. It didn't destroy the country but as the above poster said, things did change, and it completely altered the demographic and electorate of california. California never went red again, just a year or two after that passed Which is what the left wants. Easiest way to switch states just import the votes. --- [Insert tired meme here] <cite>HiddenLurker posted [p:894076413] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>not_shawn_z posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>ThePyreThatBurns posted... I have no problem with another amnesty act. Reagan's amnesty act (Disclaimer: I was 14 in 1986) did not destroy the country by ultimately allowing 2.7 million (out of a possible 3 million) become citizens. If the country did not self-destruct at that point, I don't think that (for the sake of argument, I'll use the same 90% ratio for the 690K that are still on DACA) allowing 621K will destroy the country either. </quote> It didn't destroy the country but as the above poster said, things did change, and it completely altered the demographic and electorate of california. California never went red again, just a year or two after that passed</quote> Which is what the left wants. Easiest way to switch states just import the votes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crazyman93 01/15/18 12:19:59 AM #81:	Doom_Art posted... ...he's the one who rescinded it Which was the right thing to do, because it was an executive over reach, and it's not like he said "It's gone, round them up, throw them out." He did give Congress time to actually put legislation into effect the correct way. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks <cite>Crazyman93 posted [p:894076502] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>...he's the one who rescinded it</quote> Which was the right thing to do, because it was an executive over reach, and it's not like he said "It's gone, round them up, throw them out." He did give Congress time to actually put legislation into effect the correct way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 01/15/18 1:11:00 AM #82:	cjsdowg posted... Mal_Fet posted... The solution is to enforce immigration law as it is written, not to allow illegal families sanctuary until their kids are all grown up and now face deportation long after they're socially entrenched in the country they aren't supposed to be in. If the law was enforced to begin with, this wouldn't be a problem. The longer illegals are given sanctuary, the bigger the problem will get. Should Trump wife be deported ? Did she immigrate illegally? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:894078529] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> The solution is to enforce immigration law as it is written, not to allow illegal families sanctuary until their kids are all grown up and now face deportation long after they're socially entrenched in the country they aren't supposed to be in. If the law was enforced to begin with, this wouldn't be a problem. The longer illegals are given sanctuary, the bigger the problem will get.</quote> Should Trump wife be deported ?</quote> Did she immigrate illegally?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 01/15/18 2:10:36 AM #83:	Mal_Fet posted... Did she immigrate illegally? She worked here illegally, people have been sent back for less. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:894080585] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> Did she immigrate illegally?</quote> She worked here illegally, people have been sent back for less.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vyrulisse 01/15/18 2:14:06 AM #84:	Goddamn that Ed guy went in hard in the comments tho --- http://i.imgur.com/6VeX04D.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW_V1kG6mRc <cite>Vyrulisse posted [p:894080681] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote>Goddamn that Ed guy went in hard in the comments tho</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sphyx 01/15/18 2:15:52 AM #85:	"probably" the safety net for people who either aren't sure of the facts, or dont have the spine to fully commit to the inflammatory things they want to say. --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. <cite>Sphyx posted [p:894080731] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote>"probably" the safety net for people who either aren't sure of the facts, or dont have the spine to fully commit to the inflammatory things they want to say.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 01/15/18 2:19:14 AM #86:	Doom_Art posted... ...he's the one who rescinded it In all fairness, he also denied calling countries of the world "shitholes". --- Talent hits a target no one else can hit. Genius hits a target no one else can see. - Arthur Schopenhauer. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:894080850] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>...he's the one who rescinded it</quote> In all fairness, he also denied calling countries of the world "shitholes".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 01/15/18 5:10:23 AM #87:	cjsdowg posted... Mal_Fet posted... Did she immigrate illegally? She worked here illegally, people have been sent back for less. Ok but did she immigrate illegally? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:894085089] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> Did she immigrate illegally?</quote> She worked here illegally, people have been sent back for less.</quote> Ok but did she immigrate illegally?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim Kusanagi 01/15/18 5:28:25 AM #88:	Mal_Fet posted... I've still never gotten a good explanation for why these kids deserve citizenship before the kids who have already applied for citizenship legally do. We never got good explanation why you deserve it more than they do. --- Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time! <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted [p:894085502] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>I've still never gotten a good explanation for why these kids deserve citizenship before the kids who have already applied for citizenship legally do.</quote> We never got good explanation why you deserve it more than they do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 01/15/18 7:35:11 AM #89:	Mal_Fet posted... Ok but did she immigrate illegally? Many of the people Trump are trying to kick out now didn't some here illegally, and unlike his wife never broke the rules . But it good to see that you don't care about them taking our jobs in some cases . --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:894088077] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> Ok but did she immigrate illegally?</quote> Many of the people Trump are trying to kick out now didn't some here illegally, and unlike his wife never broke the rules . But it good to see that you don't care about them taking our jobs in some cases .</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 01/15/18 3:02:44 PM #90:	cjsdowg posted... Many of the people Trump are trying to kick out now didn't some here illegally, For example? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:894108870] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote>Many of the people Trump are trying to kick out now didn't some here illegally,</quote> For example?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tommybel89 01/15/18 3:12:06 PM #91:	Keeping DACA is the only lifeline the Dems have left. Keeping illegals for votes is the level they're at. When the propaganda doesn't work, their only other lifeline is to bring voters to swing states. --- Go Leafs Go http://www.last.fm/user/Disposableher0 <cite>tommybel89 posted [p:894109508] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote>Keeping DACA is the only lifeline the Dems have left. Keeping illegals for votes is the level they're at. When the propaganda doesn't work, their only other lifeline is to bring voters to swing states.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim Kusanagi 01/15/18 3:14:37 PM #92:	Mal_Fet posted... cjsdowg posted... Many of the people Trump are trying to kick out now didn't some here illegally, Can you give an example of a legal citizen that Trump is trying to deport? Lmao this denseness --- Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time! <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted [p:894109668] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote>Many of the people Trump are trying to kick out now didn't some here illegally,</quote> Can you give an example of a legal citizen that Trump is trying to deport?</quote> Lmao this denseness</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cj_WlLL_VVlN 01/15/18 3:24:09 PM #93:	Anyone that wants to deport the dreamers can not call themselves Christian, nor can they call themselves good people, nor Americans. Really the only way to describe someone who would deport someone who grew up American, went to American schools, speaks English and has likely never been out of America is human filth. --- The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows. <cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted [p:894110266] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote>Anyone that wants to deport the dreamers can not call themselves Christian, nor can they call themselves good people, nor Americans. Really the only way to describe someone who would deport someone who grew up American, went to American schools, speaks English and has likely never been out of America is human filth.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cj_WlLL_VVlN 01/15/18 3:25:36 PM #94:	tommybel89 posted... Keeping DACA is the only lifeline the Dems have left. Keeping illegals for votes is the level they're at. When the propaganda doesn't work, their only other lifeline is to bring voters to swing states. They can't vote... That said if we could take away your right to vote the voter base would be more informed. --- The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows. <cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted [p:894110355] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>tommybel89 posted...</cite> <quote>Keeping DACA is the only lifeline the Dems have left. Keeping illegals for votes is the level they're at. When the propaganda doesn't work, their only other lifeline is to bring voters to swing states.</quote> They can't vote... That said if we could take away your right to vote the voter base would be more informed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not_shawn_z 01/15/18 3:26:04 PM #95:	Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted... Anyone that wants to deport the dreamers can not call themselves Christian, nor can they call themselves good people, nor Americans. Really the only way to describe someone who would deport someone who grew up American, went to American schools, speaks English and has likely never been out of America is human filth. This post is both gross and ridiculous "Anyone who supports keeping them, isn't a good American, because they support breaking the law" See how stupid that is? <cite>not_shawn_z posted [p:894110378] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...</cite> <quote>Anyone that wants to deport the dreamers can not call themselves Christian, nor can they call themselves good people, nor Americans. Really the only way to describe someone who would deport someone who grew up American, went to American schools, speaks English and has likely never been out of America is human filth.</quote> This post is both gross and ridiculous "Anyone who supports keeping them, isn't a good American, because they support breaking the law" See how stupid that is?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 01/15/18 3:28:00 PM #96:	Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted... Anyone that wants to deport the dreamers can not call themselves Christian, nor can they call themselves good people, nor Americans. Really the only way to describe someone who would deport someone who grew up American, went to American schools, speaks English and has likely never been out of America is human filth. 1000x this. Trump is pure scum <cite>Axiom posted [p:894110503] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...</cite> <quote>Anyone that wants to deport the dreamers can not call themselves Christian, nor can they call themselves good people, nor Americans. Really the only way to describe someone who would deport someone who grew up American, went to American schools, speaks English and has likely never been out of America is human filth.</quote> 1000x this. Trump is pure scum</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cj_WlLL_VVlN 01/15/18 3:32:13 PM #97:	not_shawn_z posted... Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted... Anyone that wants to deport the dreamers can not call themselves Christian, nor can they call themselves good people, nor Americans. Really the only way to describe someone who would deport someone who grew up American, went to American schools, speaks English and has likely never been out of America is human filth. This post is both gross and ridiculous "Anyone who supports keeping them, isn't a good American, because they support breaking the law" See how stupid that is? Good Americans don't equate the law with justice or morality. Americans look out for their neighbors and help those that can't help themselves. There's a lady that stands in a harbor for what we believe inscribed with "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free the wretched refuse of your teeming shore" So no a good American wouldn't want to deport these kids that never chose to break a law and have to abstain from breaking any laws and be productive members society to stay. They're honestly probably more American and better for the country than many that want to send them away. --- The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows. <cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted [p:894110750] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>not_shawn_z posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...</cite> <quote>Anyone that wants to deport the dreamers can not call themselves Christian, nor can they call themselves good people, nor Americans. Really the only way to describe someone who would deport someone who grew up American, went to American schools, speaks English and has likely never been out of America is human filth.</quote> This post is both gross and ridiculous "Anyone who supports keeping them, isn't a good American, because they support breaking the law" See how stupid that is?</quote> Good Americans don't equate the law with justice or morality. Americans look out for their neighbors and help those that can't help themselves. There's a lady that stands in a harbor for what we believe inscribed with "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free the wretched refuse of your teeming shore" So no a good American wouldn't want to deport these kids that never chose to break a law and have to abstain from breaking any laws and be productive members society to stay. They're honestly probably more American and better for the country than many that want to send them away.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not_shawn_z 01/15/18 3:35:26 PM #98:	Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted... Good Americans don't equate the law with justice or morality. Americans look out for their neighbors and help those that can't help themselves. There's a lady that stands in a harbor for what we believe inscribed with "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free the wretched refuse of your teeming shore" So no a good American wouldn't want to deport these kids that never chose to break a law and have to abstain from breaking any laws and be productive members society to stay. They're honestly probably more American and better for the country than many that want to send them away. You're citing a poem inscribed onto a statue. I don't think any good American would actually believe that has any bearing, legally. We have immigration laws Your generalization is stupid. I don't agree with deporting all the illegal daca aliens, either. I think they should be looked at on a case by case basis. But what you're saying is stupid <cite>not_shawn_z posted [p:894110948] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...</cite> <quote>Good Americans don't equate the law with justice or morality. Americans look out for their neighbors and help those that can't help themselves. There's a lady that stands in a harbor for what we believe inscribed with "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free the wretched refuse of your teeming shore" So no a good American wouldn't want to deport these kids that never chose to break a law and have to abstain from breaking any laws and be productive members society to stay. They're honestly probably more American and better for the country than many that want to send them away.</quote> You're citing a poem inscribed onto a statue. I don't think any good American would actually believe that has any bearing, legally. We have immigration laws Your generalization is stupid. I don't agree with deporting all the illegal daca aliens, either. I think they should be looked at on a case by case basis. But what you're saying is stupid</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cj_WlLL_VVlN 01/15/18 3:44:44 PM #99:	I just said we don't need equate morality and legality. And yes I'm citing a poem that has no legal bearing but has long been part of our national identity. "we hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" "Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or I'll that we will pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to ensure the survival and success of liberty" These are probably some of the most well known words in the world. Do they have legal bearing? No but they build a national identity. Words and symbols have even if they are not the law. Regardless of the law letting these kids make a life here is about as American as apple pie and baseball. --- The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows. <cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted [p:894111484] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote>I just said we don't need equate morality and legality. And yes I'm citing a poem that has no legal bearing but has long been part of our national identity. "we hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" "Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or I'll that we will pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to ensure the survival and success of liberty" These are probably some of the most well known words in the world. Do they have legal bearing? No but they build a national identity. Words and symbols have even if they are not the law. Regardless of the law letting these kids make a life here is about as American as apple pie and baseball.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not_shawn_z 01/15/18 4:00:32 PM #100:	No it's not. Legal immigration is. Their gray area isn't apple pie American <cite>not_shawn_z posted [p:894112392] in Scumbag An... [t:76200486]...</cite> <quote>No it's not. Legal immigration is. Their gray area isn't apple pie American</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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