Current Events > I don't think a cop would ever lie.

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They are the most trustworthy members of society tbh.
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I've been to court enough times to know that when you say anything that contradicts something a cop said, the judge automatically concludes that you're a liar.
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Cops are taught to lie to get you to incriminate yourself. It well established fact. There have been Supreme Court rulings saying its OK for cops to lie, cheat, manipulate, do whatever it takes to charge you with a crime.
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Cops lie all the time
..but they're people.
And people lie.
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nexigrams posted...

Cops are taught to lie to get you to incriminate yourself. It well established fact. There have been Supreme Court rulings saying its OK for cops to lie, cheat, manipulate, do whatever it takes to charge you with a crime.

Oh that's fine. The problem is that cops sometimes also sometimes lie when they write up reports. That's a whole other ballgame when they do that.
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My cousin had a problem with his licence where someone was using it, got a bunch of speeding tickets, even got arrested using it. He went to court to fight one of his speeding tickets and the officer wouldn't accept that fact that it wasn't him he gave the ticket to. My cousin actually went on vacation that day! The officer was saying that he probably pulled him over b4 he left song the flight and the time he got pulled over was 2 hours apart. Every other ticket he received was dismissed right away with the officer accepting that they messed up. For some reason this one didn't want to accept it. He even showed that all his other tickets were dismissed and that there was an investigation going on about his licence and the officer still refused to accept fault and kept saying it was him who was driving the car. The two of them were actually yelling at each other in the court room. The judge took a break and just told my cousin outside the court room that he was dismissing it and was going to talk to the officer himself because it was getting so heated in the court room.

But to fair, that was on time and for me I've never really experienced anything bad with a police officer

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SquantoZ posted...

Eggplant mushroom pig?
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frozenshock posted...

nexigrams posted...

Cops are taught to lie to get you to incriminate yourself. It well established fact. There have been Supreme Court rulings saying its OK for cops to lie, cheat, manipulate, do whatever it takes to charge you with a crime.

Oh that's fine. The problem is that cops sometimes also sometimes lie when they write up reports. That's a whole other ballgame when they do that.

That's really not that true anymore.

Almost every department has bodycams now. It goes right on my shoulder and the facts are there
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frozenshock posted...

SquantoZ posted...

Eggplant mushroom pig?

Yes
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darkprince45 posted...

frozenshock posted...

nexigrams posted...

Cops are taught to lie to get you to incriminate yourself. It well established fact. There have been Supreme Court rulings saying its OK for cops to lie, cheat, manipulate, do whatever it takes to charge you with a crime.

Oh that's fine. The problem is that cops sometimes also sometimes lie when they write up reports. That's a whole other ballgame when they do that.

That's really not that true anymore.

Almost every department has bodycams now. It goes right on my shoulder and the facts are there

Hahaha
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darkprince45 posted...

frozenshock posted...

nexigrams posted...

Cops are taught to lie to get you to incriminate yourself. It well established fact. There have been Supreme Court rulings saying its OK for cops to lie, cheat, manipulate, do whatever it takes to charge you with a crime.

Oh that's fine. The problem is that cops sometimes also sometimes lie when they write up reports. That's a whole other ballgame when they do that.

That's really not that true anymore.

Almost every department has bodycams now. It goes right on my shoulder and the facts are there

Youre preaching to people who still think "hands up dont shoot" actually happened
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nexigrams posted...

Cops are taught to lie to get you to incriminate yourself. It well established fact. There have been Supreme Court rulings saying its OK for cops to lie, cheat, manipulate, do whatever it takes to charge you with a crime.

Anyone who denies this is ignorant or a blatant troll.
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I wish that was true.
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darkprince45 posted...

frozenshock posted...

nexigrams posted...

Cops are taught to lie to get you to incriminate yourself. It well established fact. There have been Supreme Court rulings saying its OK for cops to lie, cheat, manipulate, do whatever it takes to charge you with a crime.

Oh that's fine. The problem is that cops sometimes also sometimes lie when they write up reports. That's a whole other ballgame when they do that.

That's really not that true anymore.

Almost every department has bodycams now. It goes right on my shoulder and the facts are there

Yeah - if you actually put it on, and it doesn't fall off, and it's actually pointed in the direction you're facing, and it doesn't just "mysteriously" get damaged.

Never mind it's the police department itself that is in control of the video.

Body cams aren't the answer. Law enforcement officers losing the "shoot first, ask questions never" and "we must treat all citizens as a potential threat on the lives of police officers 24/7" is.

Police officers have proven a near-infinite number of times that there is absolutely zero reason to trust them. Ever.
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darkjedilink posted...

Yeah - if you actually put it on, and it doesn't fall off, and it's actually pointed in the direction you're facing, and it doesn't just "mysteriously" get damaged

I have never seen or heard of this happen. I'm sure it probably has just like freak accidents happen everywhere. They are pretty heavily monitored and are uploaded to clouds. They will never be lost and a citizen has the right to ask the department to the view the footage
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Cops literally lie for a living

lmfao
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darkprince45 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Yeah - if you actually put it on, and it doesn't fall off, and it's actually pointed in the direction you're facing, and it doesn't just "mysteriously" get damaged

I have never seen or heard of this happen. I'm sure it probably has just like freak accidents happen everywhere. They are pretty heavily monitored and are uploaded to clouds. They will never be lost and a citizen has the right to ask the department to the view the footage

Literally every cop shooting in the past three years where the officer was supposed to be wearing a body cam had one of those things happen.

I remember a cop shooting in Michigan a couple years back where the police officer's testimony for shooting a 70+ year old woman was "coming at him with a knife." Look at the body cam footage, and you see the camera pushed up to look at the sky, then he tells her to drop it. Less than a second later, he shoots her dead, and the camera comes back down just to see her fall to her death.

She was no less than 50 feet away.
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Link the video? And that's not really true dude a lot of bodycams videos are just not released until after an investigation is over which might takes years.

And there's reasons why all these shootings like Michael Browns etc.. are cleared from wrongdoing.

You need to look at it from a perspective of a reasonable officers response to the circumstances at hand. Not the outraged racial motivated media way.

It's easy to say whatever until you're actually in the situation. Responding to a robbery call with multiple witnesses. Half of them saying he's armed, other half he's got a machete, 2 people saying hes crazy.

Then you show up to a call and you got a way bigger than you who just committed a felony and he's in fight or flight mode. You tell him to stop moving towards you or stop reaching in his waistband or whatever area. All it takes is a split second for him to pull a gun out and you're dead
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frozenshock posted...

Oh that's fine

No, it's not. They shouldn't be allowed to lie at all

darkprince45 posted...

Link the video? And that's not really true dude a lot of bodycams videos are just not released until after an investigation is over which might takes years.

And there's reasons why all these shootings like Michael Browns etc.. are cleared from wrongdoing.

You need to look at it from a perspective of a reasonable officers response to the circumstances at hand. Not the outraged racial motivated media way.

It's easy to say whatever until you're actually in the situation. Responding to a robbery call with multiple witnesses. Half of them saying he's armed, other half he's got a machete, 2 people saying hes crazy.

Then you show up to a call and you got a way bigger than you who just committed a felony and he's in fight or flight mode. You tell him to stop moving towards you or stop reaching in his waistband or whatever area. All it takes is a split second for him to pull a gun out and you're dead

Are you new on this board? I'm one of the most vocal defenders of the police officer who killed MIcheal Brown.

And I unfortunately can't find the video in question, since there's been far too many police shootings in the past few years for me to narrow it down without remembering every detail.

Since you claim it isn't true that bodycam footage is never found to be useful to clear an officer in a shooting, maybe you could show some that have?
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Military personnel in active war zones are not as trigger happy as the police are.

Also, fun fact. There's a band called Millions of Dead Cops. A friend of mine has, for several months now, been a frequent backup or substitute lead singer for their shows here in Portland. Really great band. Great lyrics. inb4suspended
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

frozenshock posted...

Oh that's fine

No, it's not. They shouldn't be allowed to lie at all

This. If they will lie when they are trying to get you to confess, even if you didn't and couldn't have done it, then why wouldn't they lie to you while they have a gun pointed at your backside as you're on the ground? Why wouldn't they lie on their reports? Why wouldn't they keep up that lie in court and the news? They'll obviously not say "I lied about some detail then they confessed" in their reports. And that omission is itself a lie. Their entire job is lying so expecting them to tell the truth is the exception, not the norm.
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darkjedilink posted...

darkprince45 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Yeah - if you actually put it on, and it doesn't fall off, and it's actually pointed in the direction you're facing, and it doesn't just "mysteriously" get damaged

I have never seen or heard of this happen. I'm sure it probably has just like freak accidents happen everywhere. They are pretty heavily monitored and are uploaded to clouds. They will never be lost and a citizen has the right to ask the department to the view the footage

Literally every cop shooting in the past three years where the officer was supposed to be wearing a body cam had one of those things happen.

I remember a cop shooting in Michigan a couple years back where the police officer's testimony for shooting a 70+ year old woman was "coming at him with a knife." Look at the body cam footage, and you see the camera pushed up to look at the sky, then he tells her to drop it. Less than a second later, he shoots her dead, and the camera comes back down just to see her fall to her death.

She was no less than 50 feet away.

When you say "literally every shooting," you kill your own argument. Go on Liveleaks. Watch the body cam footage.
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gunplagirl posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

frozenshock posted...

Oh that's fine

No, it's not. They shouldn't be allowed to lie at all

This. If they will lie when they are trying to get you to confess, even if you didn't and couldn't have done it, then why wouldn't they lie to you while they have a gun pointed at your backside as you're on the ground? Why wouldn't they lie on their reports? Why wouldn't they keep up that lie in court and the news? They'll obviously not say "I lied about some detail then they confessed" in their reports. And that omission is itself a lie. Their entire job is lying so expecting them to tell the truth is the exception, not the norm.

You're so anti-cop it's hilarious.
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gunplagirl posted...

Military personnel in active war zones are not as trigger happy as the police are.

Not only that, military personnel in an active war zone have much more strict rules of engagement for shooting armed enemy personnel than police do with an unarmed citizen.

Also, fun fact. There's a band called Millions of Dead Cops. A friend of mine has, for several months now, been a frequent backup or substitute lead singer for their shows here in Portland. Really great band. Great lyrics. inb4suspended

Doubtful that they're any good, because you're still wrong about pretty much anything else.
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Oh no I'm critical of police following decades of them systematically targeting and destroying lives of minorities in the US, and them abusing policies or even breaking the laws and at worst being fired barring intentional cruel actions. Extreme negligence is just being fired but keeping benefits.

And darkjedilink you're so cute when you're angry. But believe me, listen to their songs and you, too, will want to see Millions of Dead Cops. The band. Just clarifying because mods.
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People slurp the police like they aren't paid for services rendered
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Patchwork posted...

You're so anti-cop it's hilarious.

ITT: Being against cops lying or killing is being anti-cop.

Can't you be pro cops that don't lie or kill?

Howl posted...

They are the most trustworthy members of society tbh.

Firefighters are.
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darkjedilink posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Military personnel in active war zones are not as trigger happy as the police are.

Not only that, military personnel in an active war zone have much more strict rules of engagement for shooting armed enemy personnel than police do with an unarmed citizen.

Also, fun fact. There's a band called Millions of Dead Cops. A friend of mine has, for several months now, been a frequent backup or substitute lead singer for their shows here in Portland. Really great band. Great lyrics. inb4suspended

Doubtful that they're any good, because you're still wrong about pretty much anything else.

MDC is a great punk band bruh
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

Patchwork posted...

You're so anti-cop it's hilarious.

ITT: Being against cops lying or killing is being anti-cop.

Can't you be pro cops that don't lie or kill?

They all agree to work within a system that rewards lying, as well as upholding unjust laws that are designed solely to hurt people. There's no such thing as a good cop.

Maybe former cops who turned their life around after leaving the force but they're few and far between, as no good person willingly chooses to become a cop. No matter how naive they might be.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

Patchwork posted...

You're so anti-cop it's hilarious.

ITT: Being against cops lying or killing is being anti-cop.

Can't you be pro cops that don't lie or kill?

Cops kill its part of the job sometimes
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KingCrabCake posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

Patchwork posted...

You're so anti-cop it's hilarious.

ITT: Being against cops lying or killing is being anti-cop.

Can't you be pro cops that don't lie or kill?

Cops kill its part of the job sometimes

Not in other countries

darkjedilink posted...

Police officers have proven a near-infinite number of times that there is absolutely zero reason to trust them. Ever.

Lmfao what a small box u live in
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Kajagogo posted...

Howl posted...

They are the most trustworthy members of society tbh.

Firefighters are.

They have an occasional issue. Garbage men?
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The cop discussion is always a good intelligence barometer. You can completely disregard someone's opinion on any matter in life when they say either
1) ALL cops lie and are bad
2) NO cops lie and they're all great

There is usually a lot more number 1 than there is 2

Cops are humans. Some cops are bad. Just like some teachers are bad. Some McDonald's employees are bad. Some morticians are bad. If every cop was bad, you'd know. Thank your founding fathers for our failsafe :)

frozenshock posted...

I've been to court enough times to know that when you say anything that contradicts something a cop said, the judge automatically concludes that you're a liar.

What's the full story here
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They're people, and people lie
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99% of cops are decent people who do their jobs right. Too many people are complete shitters who lie or exaggerate their side of the story so a cops word has way more weight

Godnorgosh posted...

not__shawn__z posted...

The cop discussion is always a good intelligence barometer. You can completely disregard someone's opinion on any matter in life when they say either
1) ALL cops lie and are bad
2) NO cops lie and they're all great

There is usually a lot more number 1 than there is 2

Cops are humans. Some cops are bad. Just like some teachers are bad. Some McDonald's employees are bad. Some morticians are bad. If every cop was bad, you'd know. Thank your founding fathers for our failsafe :)

This doesn't really address the foundation of the argument, though. Sure, it's easy to say, "It's not fair to generalize x!" But when x is an occupation in which every member is tasked with enforcing an unjust law, then it is very fair to say that all members of x are tasked with enforcing unjust laws. And the appropriate value judgments follow from that.

Some such proponents of this line of reasoning like to qualify the assertion for clarificatory purposes, though, and instead of adopting the motto "Fuck every cop," they say something like "Fuck every cop who ever did his job."

It does, and it's hypocritical. The left, at the same time as they bash cops, aren't running around saying all Muslims are bad and terrorists. Stupid generalizations are stupid generalizations. If the 1 million+ cops in America were anywhere near as bad as some people make them out to be, the country would revolt

KingWhiteKnight posted...

99% of cops are decent people who do their jobs right. Too many people are complete shitters who lie or exaggerate their side of the story so a cops word has way more weight

Really? 99%? So 99 percent of cops NEVER break the law, never lie, never cheat the system, enforce every law fairly and justly, AND report other cops who do?

No. That last two parts is the key. Sure, I'd be willing to say most cops don't break the law, lie, or cheat the system, but it's a known fact that a shit-ton and a half of cops push their forensics agents to point things at a certain guy "because they know it's him," or "misplace" evidence that may exonerate a suspect. Almost every cop lies to get a confession, and a whole hell of a lot lie in a police report to get the guy "because they know it's him." I doubt there are ten people on this board who would say they've never had an experience of a dick cop being a dick to them and giving them a ticket they really didn't deserve (cops on the side of the road with their lights off after dark, for instance - never mind people being arrested and their only charge is "resisting arrest"), so clearly a lot of cops don't enforce every law fairly or justly.

And there is no fucking way anyone can say 99% of cops, witnessing other cops being shitty cops, would report them to IA.
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KingCrabCake posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Police officers have proven a near-infinite number of times that there is absolutely zero reason to trust them. Ever.

Lmfao what a small box u live in

Okay, let's ignore the fact that cops have been busted lying a billion times. Let's ignore cops stealing evidence and selling it. Let's ignore cops committing murder.

Are you really going to tell me that you implicitly trust a government entity that can more easily kill an unarmed citizen without physical provocation than a soldier or Marine can kill an enemy combatant in an active war zone?
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Well, there are different types of cops. The main ones at play itt seem to be patrol officers. With undercover police and detectives - lying/deception is just part of the game, really. Its not a secret, and its usually beneficial for them to operate like that.
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darkjedilink posted...

Are you really going to tell me that you implicitly trust a government entity that can more easily kill an unarmed citizen without physical provocation than a soldier or Marine can kill an enemy combatant in an active war zone?

I'm sorry but you really have no idea what you're talking about

Darklit_Minuet posted...

KingCrabCake posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

Patchwork posted...

You're so anti-cop it's hilarious.

ITT: Being against cops lying or killing is being anti-cop.

Can't you be pro cops that don't lie or kill?

Cops kill its part of the job sometimes

Not in other countries

Lmfao other countries citizens arent as fucked up as Americans
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