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ninkendo 12/22/17 11:25:45 AM #1: |
people really are making a big deal about this 3rd character being potentially a transwoman It's not like traps are anything new to Japan I'm just excited to play Catherine again I guess they're adding an online competitive mode for the people who are into competitive Catherine? That's rad! --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pxlated 12/22/17 11:30:48 AM #2: |
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iiicon 12/22/17 11:34:23 AM #3: |
oh, so they're not gonna change that ending, huh.
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Luis_Sera89 12/22/17 11:47:00 AM #4: |
Woah what. I must have missed the announcement for this. Nice.
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Strife2 12/22/17 12:03:28 PM #5: |
Dibs on a boss being a giant penis with red/pink pubic hair that tries to eat Vincent through a tiny ****hole.
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HaRRicH 12/22/17 12:12:41 PM #6: |
Can't wait to EDGE.
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MegaWentEvil 12/22/17 12:22:29 PM #7: |
Not to mention Vincent is cis and you don't see people making a big deal about it.
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pxlated 12/22/17 12:25:40 PM #8: |
MegaWentEvil posted...
Not to mention Vincent is cis and you don't see people making a big deal about it. What --- [various robot sounds] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Pirateking2000 12/22/17 1:05:02 PM #9: |
Strife2 posted...
Dibs on a boss being a giant penis with red/pink pubic hair that tries to eat Vincent through a tiny ****hole. Well --- XBL GT: Demon Ninja X2 "There comes a time in every man's or woman's life where they have to make **** up to cover their ass." - Hazama ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nanis23 12/22/17 1:14:06 PM #10: |
Why are they so loyal to Sony? Was there some kind of a deal or what
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StifledSilence 12/22/17 1:23:24 PM #11: |
Is this a sequel? Or is it a director's cut kind of thing?
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iiicon 12/22/17 1:25:38 PM #12: |
StifledSilence posted...
Is this a sequel? Or is it a director's cut kind of thing? Atlus style rerelease, similar to Persona 3 FES/Portable, or Persona 4 Golden. --- ICON: Well! There it is! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StifledSilence 12/22/17 1:26:44 PM #13: |
Oh cool. Pretty excited to play it then.
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Strife2 12/22/17 1:45:13 PM #14: |
DAAAAAAADDDDDYYYYY!
HUHUHUBBLEGH! edge! *keeps running* --- "Evening caress, Always yearning, I must confess, The stars aren't burning" Copernicus - Candlemass ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeathChicken 12/22/17 1:47:23 PM #15: |
May you rest in peace
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ZaziGuado 12/22/17 2:46:54 PM #16: |
I am very excited for the opportunity to own Catherine again.
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Shaduln 12/22/17 2:49:12 PM #17: |
pxlated posted...
MegaWentEvil posted...Not to mention Vincent is cis and you don't see people making a big deal about it. Hi ignore MWE for your own sanity. --- Posted using GameFlux Get it now for Android from Google Play! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Uglyface2 12/22/17 3:32:49 PM #18: |
I wasn't aware that this had sold enough to warrant a re-release.
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swirIdude 12/22/17 3:42:31 PM #19: |
It would be cool if Rin is a more realistic trans person instead of the typical "trap" stereotype that anime pushes on us.
Nanis23 posted... Why are they so loyal to Sony? Was there some kind of a deal or what The original Catherine was on Xbox 360. And Atlus hates PC so their games don't show up on Steam. --- "The people who play Final Fantasy 7 actually have lives and dont NEED polls" ~MajinUltima BKSheikah won Guru, but you know that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pxlated 12/22/17 3:57:58 PM #20: |
It would be cool if Rin is a more realistic trans person instead of the typical "trap" stereotype that anime pushes on us. Judging by this trailer...unlikely --- [various robot sounds] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WoIfOfLight 12/22/17 4:05:18 PM #21: |
considering Hashino is directing and how his direction towards stereotyping and his homophobia is visible now.... it's unlikely how they'll handle this well.
I'm nb and just the whole term trap is so bad bc it's like ppl think we're tricking them, especially trans women and the trailer just seems like vincent is going thru "trans panic" aka shit that gets trans people killed so who fucking knows how shit this is gonna be tbh... i'll just buy the original game. Erica's portrayal isn't clean but it sure is salvagable compared to what this is shaping to be. If it turns out to be a positive portrayal and okay, i'll eat my words. --- Silvally's biggest fan - They/Them - Ask me about Appmon. 3DS FC: 1547-6278-8186 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pxlated 12/22/17 4:10:22 PM #22: |
Yeah i wasn't about to go into the trap diatribe but those are pretty much my thoughts exactly.
I will mention though that the vast majority of "trap" characters in anime and hentai and whatever arent actually trans women. They're cross dressers who identify as men. That they get conflated with trans people is super problematic in and of itself. Not to mention everything wolfoflight said --- [various robot sounds] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WoIfOfLight 12/22/17 4:13:28 PM #23: |
Plus, on the site, that's the Trans symbol behind Rin and she's Erica's friend too (who is a trans woman herself so it's more than implied from the hints).
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DeepsPraw 12/22/17 4:14:10 PM #24: |
there is 0% chance this is treated the right way
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tazzyboyishere 12/22/17 4:32:38 PM #25: |
Intriguing, but I'm gonna assume it's not actually a trans woman and is just a gay guy who likes to crossdress.
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pxlated 12/22/17 5:02:50 PM #26: |
Hm, i didn't know about the trans symbol on the site. Or the existing trans character. Who the game dead named in the credits and other material and who is treated like shit by the main character and subjected to plot points directed at men.
Given that rin is going to have her own route as a love interest, i feel there's a good chance this ends up as a decent story about a shitty person learning acceptance and how to treat people with respect. I'm guessing there will still be lots of stuff in poor taste though, considering atlus history. --- [various robot sounds] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pxlated 12/22/17 5:15:24 PM #27: |
Also the "full body" subtitle, with the context of the new character, leaves a really bad taste in my mouth
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ninkendo 12/22/17 5:36:35 PM #28: |
It just means that the game is imparting to the palate a general impression of substantial weight and rich texture
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pxlated 12/22/17 5:37:23 PM #29: |
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pxlated 12/22/17 7:22:40 PM #30: |
I'm doing the smart thing and reading debates in comments sections about this.
People are praising atlus representation of lgbt characters in the past. Really? Like persona 4 where a questioning trans character is told he isnt really trans and just hates gender norms? Or persona 2 where an npc uses a trans woman as the butt of a joke. Or p5 where the lgbt characters are just massive stereotypes played for humor? Or the original release of Catherine where Erica is repeatedly identified by her birth name, and treated by central game plot points as a man? Right. I forgot. Any representation is good representation! --- [various robot sounds] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeathChicken 12/22/17 7:27:48 PM #31: |
I think you misread the Erica thing.
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Mobilezoid 12/22/17 7:30:58 PM #32: |
pxlated posted...
Like persona 4 where a questioning trans character is told he isnt really trans and just hates gender norms? I haven't played the other games you mentioned but I thought they handled this one fine. --- **R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D** (On mobile) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pxlated 12/22/17 7:35:45 PM #33: |
DeathChicken posted...
I think you misread the Erica thing. Was refering And i will admit its been a long time since i played 4 and don't remember that plotline too clearly --- [various robot sounds] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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transience 12/22/17 7:38:46 PM #34: |
forget lgbt, Persona can't even treat women right
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pxlated 12/22/17 7:40:55 PM #35: |
transience posted...
forget lgbt, Persona can't even treat women right True that --- [various robot sounds] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HaRRicH 12/22/17 7:46:05 PM #36: |
Erica's transgender?
http://catherine.wikia.com/wiki/Erica_Anderson Huh. --- Brought to you by GameFlux Free GameFAQs app on Google Play! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pxlated 12/22/17 7:53:02 PM #37: |
Also while naotos stuff might not be that bad, kanjis whole deal is pretty lousy
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Strife2 12/22/17 7:57:47 PM #38: |
HaRRicH posted...
Erica's transgender? True Ending FTW --- "Evening caress, Always yearning, I must confess, The stars aren't burning" Copernicus - Candlemass ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raka_Putra 12/22/17 8:53:32 PM #39: |
Japan is not really up to date with Western social norms.
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Strife2 12/22/17 9:12:08 PM #40: |
Is that a good or a bad thing?
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Wanglicious 12/22/17 9:38:26 PM #41: |
hm... popular theories seem to be going trap or angel. either way this controversy sure seems fun.
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pxlated 12/22/17 9:46:31 PM #42: |
Having the trans symbol on the website is as good as confirmation imo. That's a pretty big and unnecessary and questionably offensive(given the context of the trailer) misdirect otherwise
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pxlated 12/22/17 9:48:19 PM #43: |
Also, while this part is a bit of a stretch, her coloring reflects the trans flag.
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DeepsPraw 12/23/17 10:14:49 AM #44: |
I don't see the symbol you guys are talking about
there's the mars symbol enclosed in the venus on there a few times, but that's not the same --- pepsi for tv-game ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pxlated 12/23/17 12:25:35 PM #45: |
Okay, i went and looked at the site and it's not *exactly* the trans symbol but its close.
Either way, this marketing campaign is very, very obviously designed to make people think rin has a penis. You can explain it away any way you like, and it might end up being a misdirect for something like an angel with no genetalia, but this campaign is very clearly playing into the "oh no its a penis"/trap trope. --- [various robot sounds] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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swordz9 12/23/17 12:55:43 PM #46: |
I wasn't even aware a trans symbol existed. I bought this game, but haven't gotten to it yet and now I wonder if I should just wait and play this version instead since it will have extras and whatnot
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ninkendo 12/23/17 12:58:36 PM #47: |
It's a good game play it right now then come back when it is out and play again
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LapisLazuli 12/23/17 1:57:54 PM #48: |
Theoretically you should wait, but Atlus has a history of making awful voice actor changes lately with returning characters or rereleases of old games, so might wait for the fun trailer.
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DeepsPraw 12/23/17 3:11:13 PM #49: |
LapisLazuli posted...
Theoretically you should wait, but Atlus has a history of making awful voice actor changes lately with returning characters or rereleases of old games, so might wait for the fun trailer. But if you've never played it, then how can you get upset if they change a VA? --- pepsi for tv-game ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LapisLazuli 12/23/17 3:22:34 PM #50: |
Well it depends whether the VA change is actually good. Most of the P4 character changes were fine even though they weren't as good as the originals, but then you get things like Erin Fitzgerald as Chie which is.....just disgusting.
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