Board 8 > Star Wars: The Last Jedi: Spoiler Thread Episode III

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What if Han Solo was really the strongest force user. All his luck was really the force he never tapped into. He hit that other booty across the Galaxy and one got knocked up. Han tried to get rid of the one on the way by hiding her and then dropping her off at jakku where his falcon got stolen. And Rey and Kylo are half brothers and sisters.
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I kinda wanted Rey to be a Kenobi because we somehow managed to have Obi-Wan appear in 6 God damn movies and gave him exactly zero emotional connections.
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As it should be

You can watch Clone Wars if you want that
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LapisLazuli posted...

No, they....tall about this in the movie.

Where? Maybe you dreamt it
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Luke says it when he's explaining why he considered killing Ben.
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To quote Honest Trailers:

"The real mystery is why anyone would expect the guy who wrote Lost to have good answers to ANY of these questions."
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Waluigi1 posted...

Also there was that oopsie with Disney Infinity where Kylo called Rey cousin.

He said "curses"
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XIII_rocks posted...

Waluigi1 posted...

Also there was that oopsie with Disney Infinity where Kylo called Rey cousin.

He said "curses"

Nah, it was a cut line where he directly refers to her as "cousin".
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Just got out of the movie

It was pretty great

I damn near lost it from the sheer hype of the admiral hyperspace-ramming the First Order fleet

like holy shit that was amazing
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heck yeah hyperspace ram
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Truly a scene that all decent people love.
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Reg posted...

I damn near lost it from the sheer hype of the admiral hyperspace-ramming the First Order fleet

like holy shit that was amazing

This was cool. There's no sound when it happens and someone in my theater timed a "holy shit!" perfectly. Good times.
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Knowing I was in a theater was the only thing keeping me from doing the same

also on a different note, Tie Fighter Attack is a fantastic song that plays in fantastic scenes
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Waluigi1 posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

Waluigi1 posted...

Also there was that oopsie with Disney Infinity where Kylo called Rey cousin.

He said "curses"

Nah, it was a cut line where he directly refers to her as "cousin".

Are you sure? All that's turning up on Google is the "curses" one.
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this movie now has the same score as revenge of the sith on imdb. yikes.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

this movie now has the same score as revenge of the sith on imdb. yikes.

My RotS love now justified.
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Ok, Star Wars master Han has watched the movie.

First of all, Rian Johnson is a shit director and should find a new career.

Force users popping up as kids all over the galaxy MAKES SENSE. The PT showed that. Force sensitivity shows in children and it's not an uncommon thing when you have a big galaxy to look around. Besides, it makes sense that, under Palpatine and Snoke, such force users were not allowed to awaken (after Luke's Jedi Order failed, nobody was around to protect or teach emerging force users).

The Leia in space scene is really bad, but not for science or lore reasons. It's a pointless fake-out that takes advantage of a real person's death for effect. It's pointless. It provides nothing other than to take Leia out of the picture for a bit while still keeping her alive for whatever reason. (Lopen said this and good)

What was almost the best part of the movie got ruined by the need for a dumb scene - when Luke was first slashed through, that was AMAZING. Luke was dead the whole time. He was always a force ghost, holding on through his failure. But then "no, he was just meditating on the island, lol NOW he's one with the force" like fuck that bullshit. Just so you can do a callback to the Tattooine suns? What a shitty decision.

Therefore, the absolute best scene of the movie is when Finn is going up to fight Phasma and he just fucks over the random stormtrooper at the side. In fact, Finn's primalism really made for a lot.

The main issue with this movie is that it makes the great mistake of not answering the cinematographic question of "why?" Why did Finn and Rose need to go to the casino beyond a need to get them onto the flagship? Why did Poe have his mutiny beyond a need for some pointless tension? Why does Rose exist aside from throwing a wrench in the Finn/Rey ship? Why does Benicio Del Toro's character exist beyond... star factor? Why do the Imperial Guard have a bunch of dumb ninja weapons (toys answers this question)? Why include Yoda but not Obi-Wan, who was equally important as a mentor to Luke, especially through the force?

It felt more like a kid playing with his action figures than a movie. But it still had its moments and its plot that made for... something.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Why include Yoda but not Obi-Wan, who was equally important as a mentor to Luke, especially through the force?

R.I.P. Alec Guiness
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

The Leia in space scene is really bad, but not for science or lore reasons. It's a pointless fake-out that takes advantage of a real person's death for effect.

Well it was shot before she actually died. I'm not sure what you put in its place.
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THEDavyJones posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

The Leia in space scene is really bad, but not for science or lore reasons. It's a pointless fake-out that takes advantage of a real person's death for effect.

Well it was shot before she actually died. I'm not sure what you put in its place.

Then take away the "takes advantage of a real person's death". Still a pointless fake-out. It existed to get Leia out of the way so that the entire unimportant middle act could happen.
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Also, they had to get Leia out of the way for the sake of Poe's part in the movie. The viewer doesn't know Holdo and thus has no reason to trust her or side with her. The average Star Wars fan probably trusts Leia implicitly and would side with her over Poe, which wouldn't really be good for his character building.

although if Leia turned out to be a clone instead I guess they could've pulled it off lawl
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Holdo could've explained her plan at any time, and it would've been along the same lines as trusting Leia.

To put it in other words, you could've gotten to point A in the movie to point C without having point B. Because everything Poe, Finn, and Rose did, did not have any bearing on the end destination for any of those characters.
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yeah but you're not supposed to be sure about Holdo at any point until they explain the plan

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Because everything Poe, Finn, and Rose did, did not have any bearing on the end destination for any of those characters.

and believe it or not I'm actually okay with this
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Then take away the "takes advantage of a real person's death". Still a pointless fake-out. It existed to get Leia out of the way so that the entire unimportant middle act could happen.

I'm still confuses as to how it "takes advantage" of it. That's like saying Batman letting Joker almost fall to his death "takes advantage" of Ledger's death.
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THEDavyJones posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Then take away the "takes advantage of a real person's death". Still a pointless fake-out. It existed to get Leia out of the way so that the entire unimportant middle act could happen.

I'm still confuses as to how it "takes advantage" of it. That's like saying Batman letting Joker almost fall to his death "takes advantage" of Ledger's death.

It doesn't, I was wrong, but my criticism without that point is still valid.

LeonhartFour posted...

yeah but you're not supposed to be sure about Holdo at any point until they explain the plan

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Because everything Poe, Finn, and Rose did, did not have any bearing on the end destination for any of those characters.

and believe it or not I'm actually okay with this

That's fine. There are people who enjoy anime filler.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Why did Finn and Rose need to go to the casino beyond a need to get them onto the flagship? Why did Poe have his mutiny beyond a need for some pointless tension? Why does Rose exist aside from throwing a wrench in the Finn/Rey ship? Why does Benicio Del Toro's character exist beyond... star factor? Why do the Imperial Guard have a bunch of dumb ninja weapons (toys answers this question)? Why include Yoda but not Obi-Wan, who was equally important as a mentor to Luke, especially through the force?

To show how successfully the rich live in the balance of good/evil (true neutral)
To show Holdo's failure
To show how weird forced romances are
To show another example of success in a balanced approach (chaotic neutral)
It's cool
There's no nostalgic Obi-Wan doll
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foolm0r0n posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Why did Finn and Rose need to go to the casino beyond a need to get them onto the flagship? Why did Poe have his mutiny beyond a need for some pointless tension? Why does Rose exist aside from throwing a wrench in the Finn/Rey ship? Why does Benicio Del Toro's character exist beyond... star factor? Why do the Imperial Guard have a bunch of dumb ninja weapons (toys answers this question)? Why include Yoda but not Obi-Wan, who was equally important as a mentor to Luke, especially through the force?

To show how successfully the rich live in the balance of good/evil (true neutral)
To show Holdo's failure
To show how weird forced romances are
To show another example of success in a balanced approach (chaotic neutral)
It's cool
There's no nostalgic Obi-Wan doll

If only any of those had an impact on the film.
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Well the movie is about finding balance through your failures and how it leads to immense strength. So all that stuff is minor side stories but it does feed into the main themes of the movie.

I agree it could've all been done in like 45 minutes which is why it felt more like an episode of a TV show, but that's still the point of the movie (other than being cool and nostalgic).
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

THEDavyJones posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

The Leia in space scene is really bad, but not for science or lore reasons. It's a pointless fake-out that takes advantage of a real person's death for effect.

Well it was shot before she actually died. I'm not sure what you put in its place.

Then take away the "takes advantage of a real person's death". Still a pointless fake-out. It existed to get Leia out of the way so that the entire unimportant middle act could happen.

No it still exists. She died before editing was complete. And reshoots happen all the time. It was bullshit.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

That's fine. There are people who enjoy anime filler.

I mean I don't need every single piece of something to be chock full of significance especially with something like Star Wars

I didn't particularly like Poe's role in the film, but I loved Finn, "important to the plot" or not.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Well the movie is about finding balance through your failures and how it leads to immense strength. So all that stuff is minor side stories but it does feed into the main themes of the movie.

I agree it could've all been done in like 45 minutes which is why it felt more like an episode of a TV show, but that's still the point of the movie (other than being cool and nostalgic).

But none of those failures lead to strength. They just lead to wasted time. The only thing good to come out of any of them was Finn beating Phasma and deciding that he's Rebel Scum.
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How would they fix that with reshoots? Let's say they get rid of the scene where it seems like Leia might have been killed. Leia now has to to inexplicably disappear from the plot anyways because they can't film new scenes with Leia to accommodate the change in the plot line.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

But none of those failures lead to strength. They just lead to wasted time.

Nah, Poe learns his lesson by telling everyone to pull out before the First Order kills everyone at the end.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

But none of those failures lead to strength

Literally all of them do
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Team Rocket Elite posted...

How would they fix that with reshoots? Let's say they get rid of the scene where it seems like Leia might have been killed. Leia now has to to inexplicably disappear from the plot anyways because they can't film new scenes with Leia to accommodate the change in the plot line.

Let her die there?
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This is really great. A Star Wars movie that's really got people talking! How great is that? This is what we all wanted, was a nice big debatable Star Wars movie with depth enough to withstand a dialog. WAR! Princess Leia, a more powerful DEATH STAR. There are heroes on both sides of the Galactic Senate. The First Order is missing. The Rebel Alliance has just won its first victory against the trade negotiations. When completed, the Separatists in search of young Skywalker....
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Corrik posted...

Team Rocket Elite posted...

How would they fix that with reshoots? Let's say they get rid of the scene where it seems like Leia might have been killed. Leia now has to to inexplicably disappear from the plot anyways because they can't film new scenes with Leia to accommodate the change in the plot line.

Let her die there?

I don't see how that fixes the problem. Changing a movie to kill off a character because their actor passed away definitely falls under taking advantage of a real person's death for effect. It doesn't even have the excuse of being a coincidence either.
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LeonhartFour posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

That's fine. There are people who enjoy anime filler.

I mean I don't need every single piece of something to be chock full of significance especially with something like Star Wars

I kind of do when the stories are only doled out out every two years with about two hours of material. If this was a tv show sure, let them have their wacky pointless casino adventure, but it's a complete waste of time to include it in a film series.
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I also don't feel like it's completely pointless if it results in character development even if it's technically "unimportant" to the resolution of the movie. Finn's role in the movie is to get him from the guy who's still deathly afraid of the First Order and still doesn't think the Resistance has any chance to win, to a guy who proudly identifies himself as a rebel and is willing to die for the cause. To me, that's not a waste of time.
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LeonhartFour posted...

I also don't feel like it's completely pointless if it results in character development even if it's technically "unimportant" to the resolution of the movie. Finn's role in the movie is to get him from the guy who's still deathly afraid of the First Order and still doesn't think the Resistance has any chance to win, to a guy who proudly identifies himself as a rebel and is willing to die for the cause. To me, that's not a waste of time.

Funny because that is EXACTLY his arc in the first movie. Deathly afraid of the First Order. Willing to die to go on an impossible mission to save Rey and even go toe to toe with Kylo in a lightsaber battle to help her.

Can you at least acknowledge that much?
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He's willing to die for Rey. That's as far as he's willing to go in TFA.
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Corrik posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

I also don't feel like it's completely pointless if it results in character development even if it's technically "unimportant" to the resolution of the movie. Finn's role in the movie is to get him from the guy who's still deathly afraid of the First Order and still doesn't think the Resistance has any chance to win, to a guy who proudly identifies himself as a rebel and is willing to die for the cause. To me, that's not a waste of time.

Funny because that is EXACTLY his arc in the first movie. Deathly afraid of the First Order. Willing to die to go on an impossible mission to save Rey and even go toe to toe with Kylo in a lightsaber battle to help her.

Can you at least acknowledge that much?

For Rey.

Not The Resistance as a whole. He's still running away from the Resistance as a whole at the beginning of TLJ, again specifically for Rey.
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It's basic film construction to have three arcs. You could remove the second arc from this movie and have the same movie.
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What people fail to see is that yes maybe you liked the movie, and refuse to acknowledge any arguments against it. However, if it generates enough negative response the takes will get lower, and it will be forced to adjust. They are not gonna settle for their cash cow not being that big of a cash cow anymore. You could already arguing whoring the franchise out in so many different movies is going to hurt it overall.

It is a fine balance between giving the public all the want from the franchise and overdoing it. Personally I liked Rogue One, but if it is going to go too far in losing interest in the main storyline, maybe it isn't the right path.
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I'm not sure I understand that last sentence, Corrik. What do you mean about running the risk of losing interest in the main storyline? You seem to be suggesting Rogue One caused less interest in the main films somehow? I can't possibly be reading that correctly but I don't know what else you might mean there.
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Jeff Zero posted...

I'm not sure I understand that last sentence, Corrik. What do you mean about running the risk of losing interest in the main storyline? You seem to be suggesting Rogue One caused less interest in the main films somehow? I can't possibly be reading that correctly but I don't know what else you might mean there.

Yes. If you overload the product, people get tired of the whole franchise.
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It's the opposite for me, the more Star Wars I get the happier I am. Rogue One just enhanced my love of ANH. I'm excited to see all of the other side movies, I just love being in the Star Wars universe.
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I'm not sure why people were arguing just to kill Leia off there.

There's no chance in hell I want to miss out on one of the most touching moments in Star Wars history: Luke and Leia finally reuniting.
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THEDavyJones posted...

I'm not sure why people were arguing just to kill Leia off there.

There's no chance in hell I want to miss out on one of the most touching moments in Star Wars history: Luke and Leia finally reuniting.

Spoilers. They didn't reunite.
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Luke doesn't have to be there physically for that to count as a reunion.
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