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OliviaTremor 12/18/17 6:58:51 PM #151:	Actually, I'm pissed they didn't really go into the science of the force. Luke should have spent a lot of time during his training of rey explaining midichlorians. And every time kylo ren walked into a room someone should have yelled 'his midichlorian levels are off the charts!' And when snoke died rey should have been like 'i guess his midichlorian levels werent as high as he thought' Really would have enhanced the movie a lot to be honest. --- Notyou <cite>OliviaTremor posted [p:892463139] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>Actually, I'm pissed they didn't really go into the science of the force. Luke should have spent a lot of time during his training of rey explaining midichlorians. And every time kylo ren walked into a room someone should have yelled 'his midichlorian levels are off the charts!' And when snoke died rey should have been like 'i guess his midichlorian levels werent as high as he thought' Really would have enhanced the movie a lot to be honest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Harmonica_ 12/18/17 7:09:20 PM #152:	For real now: I thought the movie was "fine" but it was kinda hard to care about anything other than the Luke/Rey/Kylo Ren plot. They crammed a lot of stuff into the movie, and most of the rebel storyline felt like they needed to give all those characters things to do while more interesting stuff was happening elsewhere. Finn and Rose's story was such a cookie cutter Star Wars quest and the "twist" at the end doesn't save it because Del Toro didn't hang around long enough to really make the betrayal sting. The movie had a couple of those scenes where it felt like subversion for the sake of subversion or a straight-up bait-and-switch, like the fake Leia death near the beginning. Also, that fight between Finn and Phasma sure would have been cool if there had been any substance or significant personal stakes to the "conflict" between them aside from being on different sides. Laura Dern's lightspeed suicide attack was the best part of the whole rebel storyline, I like how they made it very unique-looking and visceral. Like I implied earlier, I really liked most things involving Luke, Rey and Kylo. Dirty curmudgeony hermit Luke was great, he really was the key to all of it because he's a funnier character than they've ever had in these movies. Him just tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder in the beginning and later brushing Reys hand with the plant were great little gags and probably got the biggest laughs in the theater. The dynamic between Rey, Luke and Kylo, with Luke being distant and only teaching her the very basics and Kylo being a more relatable and potentially redeemable person, made for some good dramatic tension between them. Also, while it wasnt the most original idea, the dark hole in the ground was a neat visual metaphor for the temptation of the quicker and easier power of the dark side as opposed to the unwilling vague teachings of a light side master. Its definitely a more elegant representation of a hero being tempted than anything in the prequels. The Rey/Kylo/Snoke confrontation was pretty great, although it was slightly undermined by Snoke being such an undefined character beyond being a sith lord. Maybe he will be explained by some interquel down the line, but its kinda frustrating how the core of the whole sequel trilogy is obviously the Rey/Kylo conflict (which is well realized imo) and then the rest of the cast and story are built around it with varying degrees of effort and success. Anyway, Kylo killing Snoke and the big fight scene after that are excellent, one of the best lightsaber fights in the series (mostly because the guards have neat weapons that arent just lightsabers). Kylo and Rey kicking ass together was great to watch, and then Reys frustration because Kylo just cant quit being a delusional prick I really enjoy their interactions because theyre both just clueless kids who have inherited this weird space magic and dont really know what theyre supposed to do with it. --- https://i.imgur.com/WcRqGVlh.png <cite>_Harmonica_ posted [p:892463736] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>For real now: I thought the movie was "fine" but it was kinda hard to care about anything other than the Luke/Rey/Kylo Ren plot. They crammed a lot of stuff into the movie, and most of the rebel storyline felt like they needed to give all those characters things to do while more interesting stuff was happening elsewhere. Finn and Rose's story was such a cookie cutter Star Wars quest and the "twist" at the end doesn't save it because Del Toro didn't hang around long enough to really make the betrayal sting. The movie had a couple of those scenes where it felt like subversion for the sake of subversion or a straight-up bait-and-switch, like the fake Leia death near the beginning. Also, that fight between Finn and Phasma sure would have been cool if there had been any substance or significant personal stakes to the "conflict" between them aside from being on different sides. Laura Dern's lightspeed suicide attack was the best part of the whole rebel storyline, I like how they made it very unique-looking and visceral. Like I implied earlier, I really liked most things involving Luke, Rey and Kylo. Dirty curmudgeony hermit Luke was great, he really was the key to all of it because he's a funnier character than they've ever had in these movies. Him just tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder in the beginning and later brushing Reys hand with the plant were great little gags and probably got the biggest laughs in the theater. The dynamic between Rey, Luke and Kylo, with Luke being distant and only teaching her the very basics and Kylo being a more relatable and potentially redeemable person, made for some good dramatic tension between them. Also, while it wasnt the most original idea, the dark hole in the ground was a neat visual metaphor for the temptation of the quicker and easier power of the dark side as opposed to the unwilling vague teachings of a light side master. Its definitely a more elegant representation of a hero being tempted than anything in the prequels. The Rey/Kylo/Snoke confrontation was pretty great, although it was slightly undermined by Snoke being such an undefined character beyond being a sith lord. Maybe he will be explained by some interquel down the line, but its kinda frustrating how the core of the whole sequel trilogy is obviously the Rey/Kylo conflict (which is well realized imo) and then the rest of the cast and story are built around it with varying degrees of effort and success. Anyway, Kylo killing Snoke and the big fight scene after that are excellent, one of the best lightsaber fights in the series (mostly because the guards have neat weapons that arent just lightsabers). Kylo and Rey kicking ass together was great to watch, and then Reys frustration because Kylo just cant quit being a delusional prick I really enjoy their interactions because theyre both just clueless kids who have inherited this weird space magic and dont really know what theyre supposed to do with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Harmonica_ 12/18/17 7:09:27 PM #153:	By the time they got to final battle on the old rebellion planet I was honestly about ready for the movie to end. I actually chuckled out loud when they said the big cannon was Death Star tech because of course it was. For a second there I almost thought that Finn was gonna go through with his self-sacrifice and that they were really going for the dark middle chapter but of course he got saved in the last second. Then I thought they were going to end it with Luke pulling an Obi-Wan, especially with the slightly modified callback line, but Im really happy with the route they took with that one. When they cut back to Luke on his island and very conspicuously seemed to be avoiding showing him from the neck down, I was afraid it was going to be a dramatic reveal of his chest being all bloody from Kylos attack, but thankfully they went with the more respectful solution. Not gonna lie, for a while there I was hoping he wouldnt die just because Hamill was so much fun in this movie, but it was pretty much necessary for the new generation transition theyre obviously going for in this trilogy. Hell almost certainly do the force ghost thing, but hopefully fairly briefly. Overall the movie was okay, probably a little better than TFA, but frankly Im likely to skip most of the non-Rey/Luke/Kylo stuff on a potential rewatch. Also, I feel like at this point there is very little magic left in Star Wars for me. 7 and 8 are competently made movies (as is R1, but that one I actually didnt like very much), and I dont want to gripe about Disney too much, but the heart of the series has mostly been replaced with mechanical clockwork that churns out low-risk products at a steady rate and Im starting to see too much of the machinery. Hopefully the Rey/Kylo arc will reach some kind of satisfactory conclusion in 9, because after that Im probably done with the series, or at least done paying for it. --- https://i.imgur.com/WcRqGVlh.png <cite>_Harmonica_ posted [p:892463741] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>By the time they got to final battle on the old rebellion planet I was honestly about ready for the movie to end. I actually chuckled out loud when they said the big cannon was Death Star tech because of course it was. For a second there I almost thought that Finn was gonna go through with his self-sacrifice and that they were really going for the dark middle chapter but of course he got saved in the last second. Then I thought they were going to end it with Luke pulling an Obi-Wan, especially with the slightly modified callback line, but Im really happy with the route they took with that one. When they cut back to Luke on his island and very conspicuously seemed to be avoiding showing him from the neck down, I was afraid it was going to be a dramatic reveal of his chest being all bloody from Kylos attack, but thankfully they went with the more respectful solution. Not gonna lie, for a while there I was hoping he wouldnt die just because Hamill was so much fun in this movie, but it was pretty much necessary for the new generation transition theyre obviously going for in this trilogy. Hell almost certainly do the force ghost thing, but hopefully fairly briefly. Overall the movie was okay, probably a little better than TFA, but frankly Im likely to skip most of the non-Rey/Luke/Kylo stuff on a potential rewatch. Also, I feel like at this point there is very little magic left in Star Wars for me. 7 and 8 are competently made movies (as is R1, but that one I actually didnt like very much), and I dont want to gripe about Disney too much, but the heart of the series has mostly been replaced with mechanical clockwork that churns out low-risk products at a steady rate and Im starting to see too much of the machinery. Hopefully the Rey/Kylo arc will reach some kind of satisfactory conclusion in 9, because after that Im probably done with the series, or at least done paying for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OliviaTremor 12/18/17 7:26:39 PM #154:	How was The Last Jedi low risk? Seems like it took plenty of risks in the sense that it threw away Snoke, had Rey's parents be nobody, killed off Luke, subverted the Kylo redemption/Rey turning, and had pretty much all of the resistance destroyed. It almost seems like people actively wanted it to be cookie cutter and a retread of familiar tropes and are upset it wasn't. --- Notyou <cite>OliviaTremor posted [p:892464720] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>How was The Last Jedi low risk? Seems like it took plenty of risks in the sense that it threw away Snoke, had Rey's parents be nobody, killed off Luke, subverted the Kylo redemption/Rey turning, and had pretty much all of the resistance destroyed. It almost seems like people actively wanted it to be cookie cutter and a retread of familiar tropes and are upset it wasn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 12/18/17 7:28:26 PM #155:	Of all things, that is the very last complaint I'd ever have about this movie. It took every trope that this Star Wars-verse plotline was supposed to follow and hit it with a hammer --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:892464828] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>Of all things, that is the very last complaint I'd ever have about this movie. It took every trope that this Star Wars-verse plotline was supposed to follow and hit it with a hammer</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Harmonica_ 12/18/17 7:48:28 PM #156:	OliviaTremor posted... How was The Last Jedi low risk? Seems like it took plenty of risks in the sense that it threw away Snoke, had Rey's parents be nobody, killed off Luke, subverted the Kylo redemption/Rey turning, and had pretty much all of the resistance destroyed. It almost seems like people actively wanted it to be cookie cutter and a retread of familiar tropes and are upset it wasn't. I mean, anything with "Star Wars" in its name is inherently low-risk, the content of the story barely plays into it. Maybe I'm not giving the movie enough credit for being "brave" enough to do the stuff you listed (most of which I liked), but the point I was trying to make is that it didn't really reignite my love for Star Wars or anything and I'm quickly approaching the point where I stop caring about the movies. Also, it's kind of telling that most of the examples you listed are from the Rey/Kylo/Luke storyline when there's a whole other half to the movie that treads mostly familiar ground with a little more interpersonal conflict thrown in. I'll be more impressed by the risky decision of dwindling the resistance numbers if it has consequences in the next film beyond maintaining the "plucky underdog vs evil empire" status quo. --- https://i.imgur.com/WcRqGVlh.png <cite>_Harmonica_ posted [p:892465904] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote><cite>OliviaTremor posted...</cite> <quote>How was The Last Jedi low risk? Seems like it took plenty of risks in the sense that it threw away Snoke, had Rey's parents be nobody, killed off Luke, subverted the Kylo redemption/Rey turning, and had pretty much all of the resistance destroyed. It almost seems like people actively wanted it to be cookie cutter and a retread of familiar tropes and are upset it wasn't.</quote> I mean, anything with "Star Wars" in its name is inherently low-risk, the content of the story barely plays into it. Maybe I'm not giving the movie enough credit for being "brave" enough to do the stuff you listed (most of which I liked), but the point I was trying to make is that it didn't really reignite my love for Star Wars or anything and I'm quickly approaching the point where I stop caring about the movies. Also, it's kind of telling that most of the examples you listed are from the Rey/Kylo/Luke storyline when there's a whole other half to the movie that treads mostly familiar ground with a little more interpersonal conflict thrown in. I'll be more impressed by the risky decision of dwindling the resistance numbers if it has consequences in the next film beyond maintaining the "plucky underdog vs evil empire" status quo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OliviaTremor 12/18/17 8:24:03 PM #157:	I could have mentioned the sweet suicide and stuff that Lucas would never have done and Disney would have been the last company on Earth imagined to allow that, but I didn't. I get what you are saying though. For me, I never really gave two shits about Star Wars. I thought A New Hope was a good movie, Empire a great movie, Return of the Jedi a good movie, the prequels bad to mediocre, The Force Awakens okay, and Rogue One unmemorable. So I don't have a huge investment in the franchise other than having seen all the movies and thinking the franchise is pretty mediocre in general. That's probably why I really enjoyed The Last Jedi. It was different, really different, and I greatly enjoyed the direction and performances. Hell, I thought the premise involving the slowest chase scene in cinema history was fantastic because it was more or less constant tension. To be honest, this was the first time I actually cared about a lot of these characters-- the new ones and even Luke. I was invested in them-- Poe, Finn, Rose, etc. Hell I was even invested in Snoke since he actually had an appearance and did shit. I thought him being offed was awesome as hell. The Force Awakens I was invested in close to zero of the new characters besides Ben. Anyway, now I'm rambling. It was a very well made movie. I agree with you regarding seeing whether or not the plucky underdog vs evil empire status quo is maintained in the next chapter. My guess is... absolutely. JJ Abrams was kind of given a blank slate and a new template in which apparently you can just uproot all fans expectations and stuff. I doubt he'll do anything more than trying to recreate Return of the Jedi based on how safe his Force Awakens and arguably Star Trek reboots were. We'll see. --- Notyou <cite>OliviaTremor posted [p:892468114] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>I could have mentioned the sweet suicide and stuff that Lucas would never have done and Disney would have been the last company on Earth imagined to allow that, but I didn't. I get what you are saying though. For me, I never really gave two shits about Star Wars. I thought A New Hope was a good movie, Empire a great movie, Return of the Jedi a good movie, the prequels bad to mediocre, The Force Awakens okay, and Rogue One unmemorable. So I don't have a huge investment in the franchise other than having seen all the movies and thinking the franchise is pretty mediocre in general. That's probably why I really enjoyed The Last Jedi. It was different, really different, and I greatly enjoyed the direction and performances. Hell, I thought the premise involving the slowest chase scene in cinema history was fantastic because it was more or less constant tension. To be honest, this was the first time I actually cared about a lot of these characters-- the new ones and even Luke. I was invested in them-- Poe, Finn, Rose, etc. Hell I was even invested in Snoke since he actually had an appearance and did shit. I thought him being offed was awesome as hell. The Force Awakens I was invested in close to zero of the new characters besides Ben. Anyway, now I'm rambling. It was a very well made movie. I agree with you regarding seeing whether or not the plucky underdog vs evil empire status quo is maintained in the next chapter. My guess is... absolutely. JJ Abrams was kind of given a blank slate and a new template in which apparently you can just uproot all fans expectations and stuff. I doubt he'll do anything more than trying to recreate Return of the Jedi based on how safe his Force Awakens and arguably Star Trek reboots were. We'll see.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 12/18/17 8:25:09 PM #158:	OliviaTremor posted... I could have mentioned the sweet suicide and stuff that Lucas would never have done and Disney would have been the last company on Earth imagined to allow that, but I didn't. I get what you are saying though. For me, I never really gave two shits about Star Wars. I thought A New Hope was a good movie, Empire a great movie, Return of the Jedi a good movie, the prequels bad to mediocre, The Force Awakens okay, and Rogue One unmemorable. So I don't have a huge investment in the franchise other than having seen all the movies and thinking the franchise is pretty mediocre in general. That's probably why I really enjoyed The Last Jedi. It was different, really different, and I greatly enjoyed the direction and performances. Hell, I thought the premise involving the slowest chase scene in cinema history was fantastic because it was more or less constant tension. To be honest, this was the first time I actually cared about a lot of these characters-- the new ones and even Luke. I was invested in them-- Poe, Finn, Rose, etc. Hell I was even invested in Snoke since he actually had an appearance and did shit. I thought him being offed was awesome as hell. The Force Awakens I was invested in close to zero of the new characters besides Ben. Anyway, now I'm rambling. It was a very well made movie. I agree with you regarding seeing whether or not the plucky underdog vs evil empire status quo is maintained in the next chapter. My guess is... absolutely. JJ Abrams was kind of given a blank slate and a new template in which apparently you can just uproot all fans expectations and stuff. I doubt he'll do anything more than trying to recreate Return of the Jedi based on how safe his Force Awakens and arguably Star Trek reboots were. We'll see. Can I introduce you to Obi Wan Kenobi, dear gaming pal? --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:892468181] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote><cite>OliviaTremor posted...</cite> <quote>I could have mentioned the sweet suicide and stuff that Lucas would never have done and Disney would have been the last company on Earth imagined to allow that, but I didn't. I get what you are saying though. For me, I never really gave two shits about Star Wars. I thought A New Hope was a good movie, Empire a great movie, Return of the Jedi a good movie, the prequels bad to mediocre, The Force Awakens okay, and Rogue One unmemorable. So I don't have a huge investment in the franchise other than having seen all the movies and thinking the franchise is pretty mediocre in general. That's probably why I really enjoyed The Last Jedi. It was different, really different, and I greatly enjoyed the direction and performances. Hell, I thought the premise involving the slowest chase scene in cinema history was fantastic because it was more or less constant tension. To be honest, this was the first time I actually cared about a lot of these characters-- the new ones and even Luke. I was invested in them-- Poe, Finn, Rose, etc. Hell I was even invested in Snoke since he actually had an appearance and did shit. I thought him being offed was awesome as hell. The Force Awakens I was invested in close to zero of the new characters besides Ben. Anyway, now I'm rambling. It was a very well made movie. I agree with you regarding seeing whether or not the plucky underdog vs evil empire status quo is maintained in the next chapter. My guess is... absolutely. JJ Abrams was kind of given a blank slate and a new template in which apparently you can just uproot all fans expectations and stuff. I doubt he'll do anything more than trying to recreate Return of the Jedi based on how safe his Force Awakens and arguably Star Trek reboots were. We'll see.</quote> Can I introduce you to Obi Wan Kenobi, dear gaming pal?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OliviaTremor 12/18/17 8:49:45 PM #159:	Nah, there's a difference between like, 'letting' Vadar slice you down and giving Luke and friends a half second extra time than turning around your ship and warpspeeding straight into another ship. One of those is okay whatever, another is fucking crazy. Do you really think after the original trilogy Lucas would have ever conceived of and executed another well enacted suicide sacrifice? The same guy who made sure we all know Han shot first? (I totally forgot about Obi Wan's sacrifice even though I rewatched A New Hope like two years ago which goes to show how not highly I think of Star Wars in general) --- Notyou <cite>OliviaTremor posted [p:892469624] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>Nah, there's a difference between like, 'letting' Vadar slice you down and giving Luke and friends a half second extra time than turning around your ship and warpspeeding straight into another ship. One of those is okay whatever, another is fucking crazy. Do you really think after the original trilogy Lucas would have ever conceived of and executed another well enacted suicide sacrifice? The same guy who made sure we all know Han shot first? (I totally forgot about Obi Wan's sacrifice even though I rewatched A New Hope like two years ago which goes to show how not highly I think of Star Wars in general)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 12/18/17 8:55:09 PM #160:	Really the "Empire" as it stands now is in a sorry state. Not as bad as the Rebels maybe, but they just lost their competent scary leader guy and replaced him with a psycho kid and his sniveling lieutenant whose only loyalty is whether or not he thinks he can off Kylo without being strangled --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:892469977] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>Really the "Empire" as it stands now is in a sorry state. Not as bad as the Rebels maybe, but they just lost their competent scary leader guy and replaced him with a psycho kid and his sniveling lieutenant whose only loyalty is whether or not he thinks he can off Kylo without being strangled</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 12/18/17 8:57:03 PM #161:	I'm still trying to figure out why The First Order needs to fucking buy weapons and vehicles from shady arms dealers. Like dude, you're the Imperial Remnant. Just go to some bases and turn on that shit. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:892470097] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>I'm still trying to figure out why The First Order needs to fucking buy weapons and vehicles from shady arms dealers. Like dude, you're the Imperial Remnant. Just go to some bases and turn on that shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 12/18/17 8:58:53 PM #162:	TheRock1525 posted... I'm still trying to figure out why The First Order needs to fucking buy weapons and vehicles from shady arms dealers. Like dude, you're the Imperial Remnant. Just go to some bases and turn on that shit. Because the Republic was the main power of the universe. And, they signed a pact acknowledging that and probably that limited their military funding and arming. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:892470223] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm still trying to figure out why The First Order needs to fucking buy weapons and vehicles from shady arms dealers. Like dude, you're the Imperial Remnant. Just go to some bases and turn on that shit.</quote> Because the Republic was the main power of the universe. And, they signed a pact acknowledging that and probably that limited their military funding and arming.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 12/18/17 8:59:29 PM #163:	WE CAN BUILD SOMETHING A MILLION TIMES BIGGER THAN THE DEATH STAR. Oh wait we need some AT-ATs? Gotta buy those off the black market. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:892470258] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>WE CAN BUILD SOMETHING A MILLION TIMES BIGGER THAN THE DEATH STAR. Oh wait we need some AT-ATs? Gotta buy those off the black market.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/18/17 8:59:48 PM #164:	How was The Last Jedi low risk? Seems like it took plenty of risks in the sense that it threw away Snoke, had Rey's parents be nobody, killed off Luke, subverted the Kylo redemption/Rey turning, and had pretty much all of the resistance destroyed. It almost seems like people actively wanted it to be cookie cutter and a retread of familiar tropes and are upset it wasn't. Completely disagree with all of this. Snoke dying is low risk because we know nothing about him, therefore there's no attachment to him. Rey's parents being nobody is low risk because it's the most logical and obvious solution that doesn't affect any backstory or leave any gaping plot holes (what? Obi-Wan had a secret child? How come we never knew?!) Killing off Luke is low-risk. This was always intended to be a "new" series. He, Han, AND Leia should have all been dead by the end of the first movie imho. They didn't subvert anything with Kylo and Rey "turning." Neither of them turned. They both left that confrontation with the exact same alignment as they started with. "Destroying" the resistance is low risk because every character who is actually important survived. Leia ends the movie saying "We have everything we need." That's not just some empty attempt to cheer people up. She's 100% correct. The rebellion in the OT was never about having a lot of ships or whatever the fuck. They won because Luke (and to a lesser extent Han and Chewie), and the resistance will win because Rey (and to a lesser extent Finn and Po) --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://i.imgur.com/W66HUUy.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:892470281] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote><quote>How was The Last Jedi low risk? Seems like it took plenty of risks in the sense that it threw away Snoke, had Rey's parents be nobody, killed off Luke, subverted the Kylo redemption/Rey turning, and had pretty much all of the resistance destroyed. It almost seems like people actively wanted it to be cookie cutter and a retread of familiar tropes and are upset it wasn't. </quote> Completely disagree with all of this. Snoke dying is low risk because we know nothing about him, therefore there's no attachment to him. Rey's parents being nobody is low risk because it's the most logical and obvious solution that doesn't affect any backstory or leave any gaping plot holes (what? Obi-Wan had a secret child? How come we never knew?!) Killing off Luke is low-risk. This was always intended to be a "new" series. He, Han, AND Leia should have all been dead by the end of the first movie imho. They didn't subvert anything with Kylo and Rey "turning." Neither of them turned. They both left that confrontation with the exact same alignment as they started with. "Destroying" the resistance is low risk because every character who is actually important survived. Leia ends the movie saying "We have everything we need." That's not just some empty attempt to cheer people up. She's 100% correct. The rebellion in the OT was never about having a lot of ships or whatever the fuck. They won because Luke (and to a lesser extent Han and Chewie), and the resistance will win because Rey (and to a lesser extent Finn and Po)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/18/17 9:02:49 PM #165:	TheRock1525 posted... I'm still trying to figure out why The First Order needs to fucking buy weapons and vehicles from shady arms dealers. Like dude, you're the Imperial Remnant. Just go to some bases and turn on that shit. Because how would we fit in the Disney-mandated progressive propaganda without implying that war is a result of capitalism? As a bonus, that whole sequence got us a "it's fun to smash rich people's stuff" sequence, with a side heaping of PETA-inspired animal activism and "of course capitalism naturally leads to child slavery" implications. --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://i.imgur.com/W66HUUy.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:892470470] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm still trying to figure out why The First Order needs to fucking buy weapons and vehicles from shady arms dealers. Like dude, you're the Imperial Remnant. Just go to some bases and turn on that shit.</quote> Because how would we fit in the Disney-mandated progressive propaganda without implying that war is a result of capitalism? As a bonus, that whole sequence got us a "it's fun to smash rich people's stuff" sequence, with a side heaping of PETA-inspired animal activism and "of course capitalism naturally leads to child slavery" implications.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 12/18/17 9:05:23 PM #166:	--- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:892470619] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Harmonica_ 12/18/17 9:06:04 PM #167:	lol --- https://i.imgur.com/WcRqGVlh.png <cite>_Harmonica_ posted [p:892470655] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 12/18/17 9:06:52 PM #168:	OliviaTremor posted... I thought the movie was incredibly good. I really enjoy fan reactions that are pissed about the force projection as 'a made up ability'. Everything about the force is fucking made up. This isn't some Name of the Wind shit where there is science between how and when magic is used. Were these fans also pissed Luke didn't mention midichlorians in his training? To be fair, made up magic can have an internal consistency that makes the magic way better in the story. ATLA bending for example, which I thought was ruined by that Korra S2 stuff. I'm not sure if the Force ever had that kind of consistency (definitely not after midichlorians) but it's a valid complaint if you think this movie ruined it. The Force use here seemed good though. It became more powerful in the right ways. --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:892470716] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote><cite>OliviaTremor posted...</cite> <quote>I thought the movie was incredibly good. I really enjoy fan reactions that are pissed about the force projection as 'a made up ability'. Everything about the force is fucking made up. This isn't some Name of the Wind shit where there is science between how and when magic is used. Were these fans also pissed Luke didn't mention midichlorians in his training?</quote> To be fair, made up magic can have an internal consistency that makes the magic way better in the story. ATLA bending for example, which I thought was ruined by that Korra S2 stuff. I'm not sure if the Force ever had that kind of consistency (definitely not after midichlorians) but it's a valid complaint if you think this movie ruined it. The Force use here seemed good though. It became more powerful in the right ways.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrGreenonion 12/18/17 9:26:36 PM #169:	https://twitter.com/_ElvishPresley_/status/942798501171384320 --- SuperNiceDog didn't have to reconcile his name... But Dauntless Hunter is now MrGreenonion <cite>MrGreenonion posted [p:892471923] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/_ElvishPresley_/status/942798501171384320</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OliviaTremor 12/18/17 9:43:12 PM #170:	SmartMuffin posted... How was The Last Jedi low risk? Seems like it took plenty of risks in the sense that it threw away Snoke, had Rey's parents be nobody, killed off Luke, subverted the Kylo redemption/Rey turning, and had pretty much all of the resistance destroyed. It almost seems like people actively wanted it to be cookie cutter and a retread of familiar tropes and are upset it wasn't. Completely disagree with all of this. Snoke dying is low risk because we know nothing about him, therefore there's no attachment to him. Rey's parents being nobody is low risk because it's the most logical and obvious solution that doesn't affect any backstory or leave any gaping plot holes (what? Obi-Wan had a secret child? How come we never knew?!) Killing off Luke is low-risk. This was always intended to be a "new" series. He, Han, AND Leia should have all been dead by the end of the first movie imho. They didn't subvert anything with Kylo and Rey "turning." Neither of them turned. They both left that confrontation with the exact same alignment as they started with. "Destroying" the resistance is low risk because every character who is actually important survived. Leia ends the movie saying "We have everything we need." That's not just some empty attempt to cheer people up. She's 100% correct. The rebellion in the OT was never about having a lot of ships or whatever the fuck. They won because Luke (and to a lesser extent Han and Chewie), and the resistance will win because Rey (and to a lesser extent Finn and Po) What. Apparently according to you anything they would have done you would have considered it low risk. Kill Snoke? Low risk because he isn't developed. Leave Snoke alive? Low risk because it's a retread of the Emperor's arc in the original triology. Same with Rey and everything else you mentioned. You make no sense. --- Notyou <cite>OliviaTremor posted [p:892472933] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote><cite>SmartMuffin posted...</cite> <quote><quote>How was The Last Jedi low risk? Seems like it took plenty of risks in the sense that it threw away Snoke, had Rey's parents be nobody, killed off Luke, subverted the Kylo redemption/Rey turning, and had pretty much all of the resistance destroyed. It almost seems like people actively wanted it to be cookie cutter and a retread of familiar tropes and are upset it wasn't. </quote> Completely disagree with all of this. Snoke dying is low risk because we know nothing about him, therefore there's no attachment to him. Rey's parents being nobody is low risk because it's the most logical and obvious solution that doesn't affect any backstory or leave any gaping plot holes (what? Obi-Wan had a secret child? How come we never knew?!) Killing off Luke is low-risk. This was always intended to be a "new" series. He, Han, AND Leia should have all been dead by the end of the first movie imho. They didn't subvert anything with Kylo and Rey "turning." Neither of them turned. They both left that confrontation with the exact same alignment as they started with. "Destroying" the resistance is low risk because every character who is actually important survived. Leia ends the movie saying "We have everything we need." That's not just some empty attempt to cheer people up. She's 100% correct. The rebellion in the OT was never about having a lot of ships or whatever the fuck. They won because Luke (and to a lesser extent Han and Chewie), and the resistance will win because Rey (and to a lesser extent Finn and Po)</quote> What. Apparently according to you anything they would have done you would have considered it low risk. Kill Snoke? Low risk because he isn't developed. Leave Snoke alive? Low risk because it's a retread of the Emperor's arc in the original triology. Same with Rey and everything else you mentioned. You make no sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/18/17 9:49:51 PM #171:	MrGreenonion posted... https://twitter.com/_ElvishPresley_/status/942798501171384320 You know I hear a lot about this and I felt the same way at first. But if you think about it a bit, what backstory did we get from Palpatine in the OT? Absolutely zero. Even in the PT, everything we get is about his political life - nothing about why he became a Sith lord, who trained him, what his motivations are (aside from raw power), etc. --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://i.imgur.com/W66HUUy.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:892473344] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrGreenonion posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/_ElvishPresley_/status/942798501171384320</quote> You know I hear a lot about this and I felt the same way at first. But if you think about it a bit, what backstory did we get from Palpatine in the OT? Absolutely zero. Even in the PT, everything we get is about his political life - nothing about why he became a Sith lord, who trained him, what his motivations are (aside from raw power), etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Team Rocket Elite 12/18/17 9:57:55 PM #172:	I think people are more okay with Palpatine because we were still learning about the Star Wars universe at that time. By end of Episode 6 we are supposed to know who the strong Force users are. Kylo Ren now shows up but we know he got Force training from Luke. Rey has strong Force powers and we find out this was just coincidence and she isn't tied to any currently known bloodline. Snoke shows up and is more powerful than either one. People want to know why this is the case. Also while I say Rey has a backstory, many people aren't really happy with it and with how powerful she seems to be. --- This was not the best year for my bracket. Congrats to BK_Sheikah00 for winning the BYIG Guru Contest! <cite>Team Rocket Elite posted [p:892473803] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>I think people are more okay with Palpatine because we were still learning about the Star Wars universe at that time. By end of Episode 6 we are supposed to know who the strong Force users are. Kylo Ren now shows up but we know he got Force training from Luke. Rey has strong Force powers and we find out this was just coincidence and she isn't tied to any currently known bloodline. Snoke shows up and is more powerful than either one. People want to know why this is the case. Also while I say Rey has a backstory, many people aren't really happy with it and with how powerful she seems to be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/18/17 10:18:33 PM #173:	Rey has strong Force powers and we find out this was just coincidence and she isn't tied to any currently known bloodline. This is another thing where I think everyone jumped to conclusions. Nobody ever claimed that force ability is only genetic. Sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn't. Anakin was literally force Jesus. We don't really know anything about Obi-Wan's parents, or Yoda's, or anyone else. And since conventional love is basically forbidden, it's probably safe to say that most Jedi don't reproduce, at least not in the conventional manner. So where do all the new Jedi come from? I'm actually super glad Rey turned out to be nobody. Not everyone has to have a direct relationship to people we already know. That's just lazy. One of the few decisions they've made that I'm 100% onboard with. --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://i.imgur.com/W66HUUy.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:892474993] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>Rey has strong Force powers and we find out this was just coincidence and she isn't tied to any currently known bloodline. This is another thing where I think everyone jumped to conclusions. Nobody ever claimed that force ability is only genetic. Sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn't. Anakin was literally force Jesus. We don't really know anything about Obi-Wan's parents, or Yoda's, or anyone else. And since conventional love is basically forbidden, it's probably safe to say that most Jedi don't reproduce, at least not in the conventional manner. So where do all the new Jedi come from? I'm actually super glad Rey turned out to be nobody. Not everyone has to have a direct relationship to people we already know. That's just lazy. One of the few decisions they've made that I'm 100% onboard with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 12/18/17 10:29:19 PM #174:	Rey being a nobody is pretty cool. Sometimes flukes are just allowed to happen. Her being another Skywalker or something would've been really lame. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:892475597] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>Rey being a nobody is pretty cool. Sometimes flukes are just allowed to happen. Her being another Skywalker or something would've been really lame.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 12/18/17 10:30:01 PM #175:	the big problem with Snoke is just... where was he during the other movies? If this super evil powerful dude has been around this whole time, why are we just hearing about him now? --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:892475647] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>the big problem with Snoke is just... where was he during the other movies? If this super evil powerful dude has been around this whole time, why are we just hearing about him now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/18/17 10:31:56 PM #176:	MoogleKupo141 posted... the big problem with Snoke is just... where was he during the other movies? If this super evil powerful dude has been around this whole time, why are we just hearing about him now? It's been what? 15-20 years since the end of ROTJ? Plenty of time for him to emerge or come out of hiding or whatever. We know virtually nothing about where Sith come from - literally the only Sith we have a true origin story on is Anakin (and maybe Dooku if you count him?). He doesn't warrant any more of an explanation than Sidious or Darth Maul did... --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://i.imgur.com/W66HUUy.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:892475747] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote>the big problem with Snoke is just... where was he during the other movies? If this super evil powerful dude has been around this whole time, why are we just hearing about him now?</quote> It's been what? 15-20 years since the end of ROTJ? Plenty of time for him to emerge or come out of hiding or whatever. We know virtually nothing about where Sith come from - literally the only Sith we have a true origin story on is Anakin (and maybe Dooku if you count him?). He doesn't warrant any more of an explanation than Sidious or Darth Maul did...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 12/18/17 10:34:25 PM #177:	spoilers star wars (movies) all have bad storytelling and plotlines --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:892475902] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>spoilers star wars (movies) all have bad storytelling and plotlines</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transience 12/18/17 10:36:32 PM #178:	what was the emperor doing? I feel like every question about Snoke should be redirected to the emperor --- xyzzy <cite>transience posted [p:892476022] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>what was the emperor doing? I feel like every question about Snoke should be redirected to the emperor</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 12/18/17 10:38:42 PM #179:	Given how the Sith usually play things, Snoke was probably keeping his head down and waiting for Palpatine to die so he could go "Hay guyz I'm Emperor now lol" --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:892476152] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>Given how the Sith usually play things, Snoke was probably keeping his head down and waiting for Palpatine to die so he could go "Hay guyz I'm Emperor now lol"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 12/18/17 10:40:23 PM #180:	i mean it worked --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:892476237] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>i mean it worked</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 12/18/17 10:45:01 PM #181:	should have probably kept his head up long enough to realize you should never have a Skywalker apprentice --- 2 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:892476530] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>should have probably kept his head up long enough to realize you should never have a Skywalker apprentice</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 12/18/17 10:46:18 PM #182:	FFDragon posted... spoilers star wars (movies) all have bad storytelling and plotlines Yeah I feel like the more I read complaints the more I realize how little I understand the fanbase. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:892476607] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote>spoilers star wars (movies) all have bad storytelling and plotlines</quote> Yeah I feel like the more I read complaints the more I realize how little I understand the fanbase.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transience 12/18/17 10:47:15 PM #183:	it's the craziest fanbase I wonder how much of the Battlefront 2 backlash is merely Star Wars fans being Star Wars fans --- xyzzy <cite>transience posted [p:892476661] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>it's the craziest fanbase I wonder how much of the Battlefront 2 backlash is merely Star Wars fans being Star Wars fans</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transience 12/18/17 10:48:29 PM #184:	like, this doesn't mean anything because every big thing has a dumb petition but https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-have-disney-strike-star-wars-episode-viii-from-the-official-canon come on --- xyzzy <cite>transience posted [p:892476738] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>like, this doesn't mean anything because every big thing has a dumb petition but https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-have-disney-strike-star-wars-episode-viii-from-the-official-canon come on</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 12/18/17 10:53:18 PM #185:	I saw someone on the Movie/TV board say that Luke dying was like 'stomping on his childhood memories' I'm not even judging because every fanbase of anything popular is stupid, including the stuff I like, but I feel like I simply don't understand the Star Wars fanbase as much as I understand other ones. Everyone seems to want something different, and what they want changes every other week. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:892477000] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>I saw someone on the Movie/TV board say that Luke dying was like 'stomping on his childhood memories' I'm not even judging because every fanbase of anything popular is stupid, including the stuff I like, but I feel like I simply don't understand the Star Wars fanbase as much as I understand other ones. Everyone seems to want something different, and what they want changes every other week.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 12/18/17 10:54:19 PM #186:	I don't have the same question about the Emperor because I have less information there, I think? It doesn't my matter what Darth Maul was doing before Phantom Menace because I don't know anything that was happening then. With Snoke, I know he's a very powerful Sith guy and he's old, and I know there was this big star war that he could have been useful in, but for some reason he wasn't there, so it makes me wonder why he wasn't there. If he's stronger than Palpatine, why didn't he take over sooner? Stuff like that. It's not really important to the overall plot because it's not actually a story about Snoke, but I'm still curious. --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:892477063] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>I don't have the same question about the Emperor because I have less information there, I think? It doesn't my matter what Darth Maul was doing before Phantom Menace because I don't know anything that was happening then. With Snoke, I know he's a very powerful Sith guy and he's old, and I know there was this big star war that he could have been useful in, but for some reason he wasn't there, so it makes me wonder why he wasn't there. If he's stronger than Palpatine, why didn't he take over sooner? Stuff like that. It's not really important to the overall plot because it's not actually a story about Snoke, but I'm still curious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 12/18/17 10:56:32 PM #187:	I mean, Star Wars is a weird beast because it's one of those series a lot of people grew up on (and you might have been introduced to it by a parent to make the nostalgic bond even tighter), and it's one of those series that went away, came back, went away again, and came back again like honestly I wasn't totally sold on Luke being this reclusive curmudgeon at first either because of my childhood memories of heroic Luke Skywalker but they sold me on it by the end --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png https://imgur.com/hWiEG77 <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:892477198] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>I mean, Star Wars is a weird beast because it's one of those series a lot of people grew up on (and you might have been introduced to it by a parent to make the nostalgic bond even tighter), and it's one of those series that went away, came back, went away again, and came back again like honestly I wasn't totally sold on Luke being this reclusive curmudgeon at first either because of my childhood memories of heroic Luke Skywalker but they sold me on it by the end</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 12/18/17 10:58:02 PM #188:	transience posted... I wonder how much of the Battlefront 2 backlash is merely Star Wars fans being Star Wars fans There were like a dozen games in 2017 with loot box backlash. BF2 backlash was definitely star wars mania. --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:892477285] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote><cite>transience posted...</cite> <quote>I wonder how much of the Battlefront 2 backlash is merely Star Wars fans being Star Wars fans</quote> There were like a dozen games in 2017 with loot box backlash. BF2 backlash was definitely star wars mania.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transience 12/18/17 11:03:22 PM #189:	I think this twitter thread is smart https://twitter.com/andygreenwald/status/942910102234832896 --- xyzzy <cite>transience posted [p:892477575] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>I think this twitter thread is smart https://twitter.com/andygreenwald/status/942910102234832896</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 12/18/17 11:12:51 PM #190:	transience posted... I think this twitter thread is smart https://twitter.com/andygreenwald/status/942910102234832896 Yeah. This sort of thing is fascinating to me because I have no real point of reference to it. I don't really have anything that can be 'ruined' like Star Wars can for other people. Not in the sense of having this intense childhood nostalgia for something. I guess I would be upset if they did a gritty reboot of Calvin & Hobbes...? --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:892478121] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote><cite>transience posted...</cite> <quote>I think this twitter thread is smart https://twitter.com/andygreenwald/status/942910102234832896</quote> Yeah. This sort of thing is fascinating to me because I have no real point of reference to it. I don't really have anything that can be 'ruined' like Star Wars can for other people. Not in the sense of having this intense childhood nostalgia for something. I guess I would be upset if they did a gritty reboot of Calvin & Hobbes...?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 12/18/17 11:13:36 PM #191:	MoogleKupo141 posted... I don't have the same question about the Emperor because I have less information there, I think? It doesn't my matter what Darth Maul was doing before Phantom Menace because I don't know anything that was happening then. With Snoke, I know he's a very powerful Sith guy and he's old, and I know there was this big star war that he could have been useful in, but for some reason he wasn't there, so it makes me wonder why he wasn't there. If he's stronger than Palpatine, why didn't he take over sooner? Stuff like that. It's not really important to the overall plot because it's not actually a story about Snoke, but I'm still curious. Snoke isn't a Sith. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:892478156] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't have the same question about the Emperor because I have less information there, I think? It doesn't my matter what Darth Maul was doing before Phantom Menace because I don't know anything that was happening then. With Snoke, I know he's a very powerful Sith guy and he's old, and I know there was this big star war that he could have been useful in, but for some reason he wasn't there, so it makes me wonder why he wasn't there. If he's stronger than Palpatine, why didn't he take over sooner? Stuff like that. It's not really important to the overall plot because it's not actually a story about Snoke, but I'm still curious.</quote> Snoke isn't a Sith.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Team Rocket Elite 12/18/17 11:16:21 PM #192:	Do we know enough about Snoke to say whether he is a Sith or not? --- This was not the best year for my bracket. Congrats to BK_Sheikah00 for winning the BYIG Guru Contest! <cite>Team Rocket Elite posted [p:892478293] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>Do we know enough about Snoke to say whether he is a Sith or not?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GANON1025 12/18/17 11:18:32 PM #193:	I'm a little sad Snoke didn't turn out to be a giant --- https://i.imgur.com/G17qCv1.gif <cite>GANON1025 posted [p:892478410] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>I'm a little sad Snoke didn't turn out to be a giant</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 12/18/17 11:19:03 PM #194:	Team Rocket Elite posted... Do we know enough about Snoke to say whether he is a Sith or not? Yes. He is not a Sith. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:892478441] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote><cite>Team Rocket Elite posted...</cite> <quote>Do we know enough about Snoke to say whether he is a Sith or not?</quote> Yes. He is not a Sith.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transience 12/18/17 11:23:44 PM #195:	I think the Star Wars OT is quite literally hallowed ground to a lot of people. like, someone in this thread is pissed that Admiral Ackbar didn't get an on-screen death, and board 8 is more than reasonable about most things compared to most internet places. I bet some are pissed that you would even dare kill off characters from an ending that is, in a lot of minds, the true gospel. heck, death doesn't need to be the only thing here - I think some people just have a hard time reconciling old characters with new, and the new movie has used old characters as a stepping stone to establishing new ones. it's like a wrestler putting a new guy over at the end of his career. I like Greenwald's use of amber vs. carbonite because I think opening Luke, Han and Leia up to new storylines is one of the most dangerous things you can do in film. I can't think of a more challenging task without rocking the boat, and Star Wars is just a massive boat. some people are saying it played it safe and others are upset at the treatment of their beloved. how do you truly reconcile that divide? the Star Wars fandom is the craziest fandom in the world but there's also a real challenge in trying to do something like this to the point where I might wager that it can't be done 100% successfully. good luck, Final Fantasy VII --- xyzzy <cite>transience posted [p:892478653] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>I think the Star Wars OT is quite literally hallowed ground to a lot of people. like, someone in this thread is pissed that Admiral Ackbar didn't get an on-screen death, and board 8 is more than reasonable about most things compared to most internet places. I bet some are pissed that you would even dare kill off characters from an ending that is, in a lot of minds, the true gospel. heck, death doesn't need to be the only thing here - I think some people just have a hard time reconciling old characters with new, and the new movie has used old characters as a stepping stone to establishing new ones. it's like a wrestler putting a new guy over at the end of his career. I like Greenwald's use of amber vs. carbonite because I think opening Luke, Han and Leia up to new storylines is one of the most dangerous things you can do in film. I can't think of a more challenging task without rocking the boat, and Star Wars is just a massive boat. some people are saying it played it safe and others are upset at the treatment of their beloved. how do you truly reconcile that divide? the Star Wars fandom is the craziest fandom in the world but there's also a real challenge in trying to do something like this to the point where I might wager that it can't be done 100% successfully. good luck, Final Fantasy VII</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 12/18/17 11:25:55 PM #196:	keep in mind that Jedi is an officially recognized religion in some countries the Star Wars fanbase is not normal transience posted... good luck, Final Fantasy VII trying to remake FFVII might be more difficult than trying to do something brand new so yeah good luck --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png https://imgur.com/hWiEG77 <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:892478758] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>keep in mind that Jedi is an officially recognized religion in some countries the Star Wars fanbase is not normal <cite>transience posted...</cite> <quote>good luck, Final Fantasy VII</quote> trying to remake FFVII might be more difficult than trying to do something brand new so yeah good luck</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 12/18/17 11:26:02 PM #197:	Team Rocket Elite posted... Do we know enough about Snoke to say whether he is a Sith or not? Seems really likely that he's not. Did he or Kylo ever mention being Sith? The Sith line should have died with Vader/Palpatine. It's not impossible that there's someone else out there willing to take up the mantle but it doesn't sound like Snoke did. They're trying to establish in this movie especially that the force doesn't belong to the Jedi, so naturally it doesn't belong to the Sith either. Snoke can just be his own thing. <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:892478765] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote><cite>Team Rocket Elite posted...</cite> <quote>Do we know enough about Snoke to say whether he is a Sith or not?</quote> Seems really likely that he's not. Did he or Kylo ever mention being Sith? The Sith line should have died with Vader/Palpatine. It's not impossible that there's someone else out there willing to take up the mantle but it doesn't sound like Snoke did. They're trying to establish in this movie especially that the force doesn't belong to the Jedi, so naturally it doesn't belong to the Sith either. Snoke can just be his own thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 12/18/17 11:26:49 PM #198:	Yeah, I don't think they've even really mentioned the Sith in either movie so far, and certainly not in connection with Snoke/Kylo if they have. --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png https://imgur.com/hWiEG77 <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:892478802] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, I don't think they've even really mentioned the Sith in either movie so far, and certainly not in connection with Snoke/Kylo if they have.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 12/18/17 11:27:59 PM #199:	Corrik posted... MoogleKupo141 posted... I don't have the same question about the Emperor because I have less information there, I think? It doesn't my matter what Darth Maul was doing before Phantom Menace because I don't know anything that was happening then. With Snoke, I know he's a very powerful Sith guy and he's old, and I know there was this big star war that he could have been useful in, but for some reason he wasn't there, so it makes me wonder why he wasn't there. If he's stronger than Palpatine, why didn't he take over sooner? Stuff like that. It's not really important to the overall plot because it's not actually a story about Snoke, but I'm still curious. Snoke isn't a Sith. oh. I thought all bad guy Force people were Sith somehow --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:892478847] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't have the same question about the Emperor because I have less information there, I think? It doesn't my matter what Darth Maul was doing before Phantom Menace because I don't know anything that was happening then. With Snoke, I know he's a very powerful Sith guy and he's old, and I know there was this big star war that he could have been useful in, but for some reason he wasn't there, so it makes me wonder why he wasn't there. If he's stronger than Palpatine, why didn't he take over sooner? Stuff like that. It's not really important to the overall plot because it's not actually a story about Snoke, but I'm still curious.</quote> Snoke isn't a Sith.</quote> oh. I thought all bad guy Force people were Sith somehow</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 12/18/17 11:33:06 PM #200:	Yeah Snoke and Ren aren't Sith per Lucasfilm IIRC. The current books have Palpatine sensing a strong dark side presence in the Unknown Regions back during the OT which people think is Snoke. Apparently Snoke was also manipulating Ben to the dark side even while he was in the womb or some other dumb shit. Haven't actually read any of the new stuff though so this is just what I've read. --- https://giphy.com/gifs/3ohhwttgecZkZ6HHuE/html5 <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:892479085] in Star Wars:... [t:76110949]...</cite> <quote>Yeah Snoke and Ren aren't Sith per Lucasfilm IIRC. The current books have Palpatine sensing a strong dark side presence in the Unknown Regions back during the OT which people think is Snoke. Apparently Snoke was also manipulating Ben to the dark side even while he was in the womb or some other dumb shit. Haven't actually read any of the new stuff though so this is just what I've read.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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