Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ The Boss Yu Shirou vs. Ashley Winchester Terra Nova

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KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 5:17:23 PM #1:	The Boss, Shirou Emiya and Yu Narukami have challenged Nova, Ashley Winchester and Terra Branford to a fight! Location of the fight: <Narshe - A snowy mountain city noted for its industry. The mines are accessible, whilst no residents are present. Attackers will start at the entrance to the city, while defenders will start within the mines, where the frozen esper Valigarmanda is first found.. Which side will win? Guidelines - The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment. - The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of a pre-selected plan of battle. - "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, not Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion. - There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from. Rules for Voting - Bold your votes (using bold HTML tags). - You do not need to require justification for your vote, though the admins reserve the right to disqualify votes in the advent of obvious alt voting and other similar scenarios. - Leaders cannot vote for their own teams (and players from the same pool may not vote as well), but they are free to argue their case. - If you want to switch your votes simply bold the change; there's no need to delete your post, though you may if you wish. - This match will end in 24 hours. - The following conventions are in use for match topics: www.gamefaqs.com/boards/570224-mercs/75290480/878106427 Yu Narukami (MC) is as he appears in Persona 4. He has the persona Izanagi-no-Okami available, with all default skills from P4 learned in addition to all the moves from Persona 4 Arena, with the exception of his mortal blow or gameplay mechanics (invincibility frames, etc). He also can freely switch to his persona Odin, who only has their natural non-passive skills and elemental affinities. Yu has gained the abilities of Shadow Yu, as seen in P4A:Ultimax, including the ability to access Shadow Fury mode. He has been transformed into a Death Knight, granting them World of Warcraft's three Death Knight specializations of Blood, Unholy and Frost as well as a Deathcharger mount. In addition, his weapon and armor have been inscribed with runes by the Lich King, granting his equipment the powers of a Death Knight's runescribed gear. Shirou Emiya is as he appears in Fate/Stay Night, in the Unlimited Blade Works route. He does not have access to his Reality Marble. He has access to his rapid self-healing, due to his contract with Saber and Avalon. Shirou can trace Kansho & Bakuya, Yamato from Devil May Cry 4, Z-Saber from Megaman Zero 2 and Archer's Caladbolg 2 from Fate/Stay Night, with Shirou being able to use the weapons with the same skill as their owners. He has been fully infested by E-001 to the extent of Jack Baker in Resident Evil 7, significantly improving his regenerative abilities, strength and durability. He may only regenerate from a lethal attack (to the brain or the heart) three times before he becomes vulnerable. He becomes aware of this upon the third death. The Boss is as seen in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater. She is armed with her Patriot machine gun with infinite ammo. The Boss has been injected with and reanimated by the Prototype Progenitor Virus as seen in the Resident Evil series, providing her with an immense boost to her strength, agility and durability as well as red slitted eyes and a healing factor, with no additional mutations or negative side effects. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892160476] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>The Boss, Shirou Emiya and Yu Narukami have challenged Nova, Ashley Winchester and Terra Branford to a fight! Location of the fight: <Narshe - A snowy mountain city noted for its industry. The mines are accessible, whilst no residents are present. Attackers will start at the entrance to the city, while defenders will start within the mines, where the frozen esper Valigarmanda is first found.. Which side will win? Guidelines - The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment. - The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of a pre-selected plan of battle. - "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, not Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion. - There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from. Rules for Voting - Bold your votes (using bold HTML tags). - You do not need to require justification for your vote, though the admins reserve the right to disqualify votes in the advent of obvious alt voting and other similar scenarios. - Leaders cannot vote for their own teams (and players from the same pool may not vote as well), but they are free to argue their case. - If you want to switch your votes simply bold the change; there's no need to delete your post, though you may if you wish. - This match will end in 24 hours. - The following conventions are in use for match topics: www.gamefaqs.com/boards/570224-mercs/75290480/878106427 Yu Narukami (MC) is as he appears in Persona 4. He has the persona Izanagi-no-Okami available, with all default skills from P4 learned in addition to all the moves from Persona 4 Arena, with the exception of his mortal blow or gameplay mechanics (invincibility frames, etc). He also can freely switch to his persona Odin, who only has their natural non-passive skills and elemental affinities. Yu has gained the abilities of Shadow Yu, as seen in P4A:Ultimax, including the ability to access Shadow Fury mode. He has been transformed into a Death Knight, granting them World of Warcraft's three Death Knight specializations of Blood, Unholy and Frost as well as a Deathcharger mount. In addition, his weapon and armor have been inscribed with runes by the Lich King, granting his equipment the powers of a Death Knight's runescribed gear. Shirou Emiya is as he appears in Fate/Stay Night, in the Unlimited Blade Works route. He does not have access to his Reality Marble. He has access to his rapid self-healing, due to his contract with Saber and Avalon. Shirou can trace Kansho & Bakuya, Yamato from Devil May Cry 4, Z-Saber from Megaman Zero 2 and Archer's Caladbolg 2 from Fate/Stay Night, with Shirou being able to use the weapons with the same skill as their owners. He has been fully infested by E-001 to the extent of Jack Baker in Resident Evil 7, significantly improving his regenerative abilities, strength and durability. He may only regenerate from a lethal attack (to the brain or the heart) three times before he becomes vulnerable. He becomes aware of this upon the third death. The Boss is as seen in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater. She is armed with her Patriot machine gun with infinite ammo. The Boss has been injected with and reanimated by the Prototype Progenitor Virus as seen in the Resident Evil series, providing her with an immense boost to her strength, agility and durability as well as red slitted eyes and a healing factor, with no additional mutations or negative side effects.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 5:17:43 PM #2:	~VS~ Nova Terra is as she appears in Nova: Covert Ops, equipped with all weapons seen therein as well as Ghost Visor, Tactical Stealth Suit, Ionic Forcefield, Flashbang Grenades and Holo Decoy. She may also use the Precision Strike and Crippling Shot abilities, as seen in Heroes of the Storm. Ashley Winchester is as seen in the endgame of Wild ARMs 2 just before Argetlahm is pulled from him, equipped with the Shootn Star, Nine Lives and Texas No, and has access to all of his ARMs, fully upgraded, as well as all of his tools and the Zephyr medium. He has access to Accelerator and Full Clip, as well as Access, and will begin the battle in his Over Knight Blazer form, with access to all of Knight Blazer's Force Powers, though Banisher and Last Burst will knock him out of Knight Blazer form until he gains enough Force Power to reactivate it. Terra is as she appears in Dissidia and at the end of FF6A, equipped with full Genji armour, Apocalypse, a Hero Ring, and a Gold Hairpin. She has all her natural magic, as well as those gained from Unicorn and Bahamut, including Raise. She does not, however, have Arise, Teleport, Break, Graviga, or Meltdown. She can enter Trance form at any time for 30 seconds (which also grants her access to EX mode), although it will go on cooldown for 2 minutes upon ending. --- Hell, it's about time. FIGHT! --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892160496] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>~VS~ Nova Terra is as she appears in Nova: Covert Ops, equipped with all weapons seen therein as well as Ghost Visor, Tactical Stealth Suit, Ionic Forcefield, Flashbang Grenades and Holo Decoy. She may also use the Precision Strike and Crippling Shot abilities, as seen in Heroes of the Storm. Ashley Winchester is as seen in the endgame of Wild ARMs 2 just before Argetlahm is pulled from him, equipped with the Shootn Star, Nine Lives and Texas No, and has access to all of his ARMs, fully upgraded, as well as all of his tools and the Zephyr medium. He has access to Accelerator and Full Clip, as well as Access, and will begin the battle in his Over Knight Blazer form, with access to all of Knight Blazer's Force Powers, though Banisher and Last Burst will knock him out of Knight Blazer form until he gains enough Force Power to reactivate it. Terra is as she appears in Dissidia and at the end of FF6A, equipped with full Genji armour, Apocalypse, a Hero Ring, and a Gold Hairpin. She has all her natural magic, as well as those gained from Unicorn and Bahamut, including Raise. She does not, however, have Arise, Teleport, Break, Graviga, or Meltdown. She can enter Trance form at any time for 30 seconds (which also grants her access to EX mode), although it will go on cooldown for 2 minutes upon ending. --- Hell, it's about time. FIGHT!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 5:20:29 PM #3:	Note: Nova's build has been remade! Give her section a look over even if you remember what she can do from M4. A lot has changed. This is a pretty large mismatch, as my team of heavies has all the tools needed to neutralize the enemy team and they don't have any answers to them. Let's go over why quickly. The first and most important member of the team is Ashley. In case you never played Wild Arms 2, he's your average jRPG protagonist, equip with a gun + mega bayonet that fits a lot of weird ammo...but none of this is super important to us because he has a super mode. That's his Knight Blazer form, present here in its ultimate version, Over Knight Blazer. It is an enormous power-up - its sheer strength lets Ashley more or less obsolete the rest of his party combined throughout the entire game. Just three examples to illustrate: -Before KnightBlazer is acquired in its base form, the party faces a bioweapon called Trask. It's a pretty tough boss for Ashley and his friends the magician Lilka and bazooka-and-missile-launcher-packing soldier Brad, whose attacks do heavy damage. After they're captured, Ashley gains KnightBlazer and, while being exhausted from being clawed at and beat up by Trask, fights it alone. Its attacks do single digit damage, and stats effects don't work on KnightBlazer. -Later on, the ARMS' squad's headquarters, the flying castle Valeria Chateau, is attacked by their enemies and a monster who's a living bomb is primed to detonate while the castle is flying in midair, with enough force to destroy it outright. Ashley wrestles with it and holds it in place so the two of them together can be jettisoned up into the air, and enters Knightblazer mode just before it explodes point blank. A multi-thousand foot fall to the ground and a castle-busting explosion to his face only leaves him with a limp that he quickly shakes off. See it here: https://youtu.be/W1aqEZkQ95Y?t=731 -Most impressively, near the tail end of the game, after rescuing Ashley from being stranded in space and returning to land, the ARMS are tasked with defeating the nuclear dragon Grauswein. This creature is literally nuclear powered, and upon death will explode with the power of a country-busting nuclear bomb. The entire rest of the party sans Ashley fights it, but can't even scratch it (even though counted amongst their number is Brad, whose recently acquired Railgun is so powerful it deals permanent damage to a supertech fortress with a single shot in a cutscene). Ashley then comes transformed into Over Knight Blazer form and defeats it solo, allowing the heroes to dispose of the nuclear dragon without it blowing anyone up with its death throes. In short, Ashley is the real deal, and nobody on the enemy team has the needed firepower or durability to take him down, especially after buffs. Which leads us to Terra - she flies, the enemy team has no fliers, she can buff and heal her allies and revive them if they somehow die, and she has double strength Ultima blasts. I think she speaks for herself, honestly, especially against a team that is all close-ranged except for The Boss' machinegun. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892160688] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>Note: Nova's build has been remade! Give her section a look over even if you remember what she can do from M4. A lot has changed. This is a pretty large mismatch, as my team of heavies has all the tools needed to neutralize the enemy team and they don't have any answers to them. Let's go over why quickly. The first and most important member of the team is Ashley. In case you never played Wild Arms 2, he's your average jRPG protagonist, equip with a gun + mega bayonet that fits a lot of weird ammo...but none of this is super important to us because he has a super mode. That's his Knight Blazer form, present here in its ultimate version, Over Knight Blazer. It is an enormous power-up - its sheer strength lets Ashley more or less obsolete the rest of his party combined throughout the entire game. Just three examples to illustrate: -Before KnightBlazer is acquired in its base form, the party faces a bioweapon called Trask. It's a pretty tough boss for Ashley and his friends the magician Lilka and bazooka-and-missile-launcher-packing soldier Brad, whose attacks do heavy damage. After they're captured, Ashley gains KnightBlazer and, while being exhausted from being clawed at and beat up by Trask, fights it alone. Its attacks do single digit damage, and stats effects don't work on KnightBlazer. -Later on, the ARMS' squad's headquarters, the flying castle Valeria Chateau, is attacked by their enemies and a monster who's a living bomb is primed to detonate while the castle is flying in midair, with enough force to destroy it outright. Ashley wrestles with it and holds it in place so the two of them together can be jettisoned up into the air, and enters Knightblazer mode just before it explodes point blank. A multi-thousand foot fall to the ground and a castle-busting explosion to his face only leaves him with a limp that he quickly shakes off. See it here: https://youtu.be/W1aqEZkQ95Y?t=731 -Most impressively, near the tail end of the game, after rescuing Ashley from being stranded in space and returning to land, the ARMS are tasked with defeating the nuclear dragon Grauswein. This creature is literally nuclear powered, and upon death will explode with the power of a country-busting nuclear bomb. The entire rest of the party sans Ashley fights it, but can't even scratch it (even though counted amongst their number is Brad, whose recently acquired Railgun is so powerful it deals permanent damage to a supertech fortress with a single shot in a cutscene). Ashley then comes transformed into Over Knight Blazer form and defeats it solo, allowing the heroes to dispose of the nuclear dragon without it blowing anyone up with its death throes. In short, Ashley is the real deal, and nobody on the enemy team has the needed firepower or durability to take him down, especially after buffs. Which leads us to Terra - she flies, the enemy team has no fliers, she can buff and heal her allies and revive them if they somehow die, and she has double strength Ultima blasts. I think she speaks for herself, honestly, especially against a team that is all close-ranged except for The Boss' machinegun.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 5:20:45 PM #4:	Last, but not least, we have Nova. First off, she's permanently invisible and her cloaking doesn't break on attack anymore. Second, she has an inbuilt enemy-radar that can even see psychically cloaked enemies, thus nulling The Boss' stealth hax without compromising her own. Third, one of her gadgets gives her an energy shield that tremendously dampens damage received, thus taking her from a squishy stealther to a much tankier all-rounder. Lastly, her entire arsenal is available to her, including a plasma rifle, a monomolecular blade, a ballistic rifle she uses to take down a warship singlehandedly, and...a gunblade. A futuristic gunblade that gives her a limit break on top of the teleports and AoEs she normally has. No, seriously. And it's spammable too! https://youtu.be/EtmB0QjYYAk?t=177 All in all, this is just a really grim look for Team Mutant. There's a huge tank they can't really kill (because the only one who has the weaponry to hurt him is Shirou...and it's Shirou), a top tier stealther who counters Boss' own stealth, and no good answer to Terra flying up and smoking people. Mini-Wesker Boss and Deathknight Yu are strong, but sadly outgunned here. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892160703] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>Last, but not least, we have Nova. First off, she's permanently invisible and her cloaking doesn't break on attack anymore. Second, she has an inbuilt enemy-radar that can even see psychically cloaked enemies, thus nulling The Boss' stealth hax without compromising her own. Third, one of her gadgets gives her an energy shield that tremendously dampens damage received, thus taking her from a squishy stealther to a much tankier all-rounder. Lastly, her entire arsenal is available to her, including a plasma rifle, a monomolecular blade, a ballistic rifle she uses to take down a warship singlehandedly, and...a gunblade. A futuristic gunblade that gives her a limit break on top of the teleports and AoEs she normally has. No, seriously. And it's spammable too! https://youtu.be/EtmB0QjYYAk?t=177 All in all, this is just a really grim look for Team Mutant. There's a huge tank they can't really kill (because the only one who has the weaponry to hurt him is Shirou...and it's Shirou), a top tier stealther who counters Boss' own stealth, and no good answer to Terra flying up and smoking people. Mini-Wesker Boss and Deathknight Yu are strong, but sadly outgunned here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alany 12/13/17 5:26:29 PM #5:	We have several major players on this field, the major one being The Boss. Infected by the Prototype Virus strain of the Progenitor Virus, she has been transformed into something no longer human, elevating her physical abilities into superhuman, much as the Progenitor Virus once did to Wesker, giving him his signature abilities. Gone are her wounds, her scar, her both cosmic and atomic radiation poisoning. In it's place is a hardened body that can resist bullets, survive point blank rocket explosions and regenerate her wounds within seconds and minutes. Her agility has been altered, allowing her to dodge bullets at almost point blank range, move so fast she is effectively teleporting and jump far larger distances. Example. And her strength, which prior was already extremely strong (Carried the davy crockett nuclear bomb launcher and ammunition, capable of firing it with just her bare hands) allows her to go into active superhuman, from impaling a person with her bare hand to breaking and bending steel. But she is not alone. Backing her up is an E-001 Infected Shirou, for those of you who haven't played RE7, give this video a skim. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0svJug-XVU To give the written high lights, Jack is supernaturally strong, able to use a shovel to pierce through a man's skull in a single strike. His regeneration and durability verges on insane, being able to survive multiple hits with a car, a car crash against girders and along with that being burned and finally shot in the head, blasting his brain apart. https://youtu.be/XkKmsIUcsyk?t=3m42s He then reappears, effectively unharmed. In this fight the protagonist shoves a chainsaw through the man's brain multiple times until he finally appears to die, his entire upper body gone. And yet he reappears once again later in the campaign. Combine this durability with Shirou's inherent own regeneration, Avalon healing him from the inside turns his wounds into swords and knits them together, combining these two methods of regeneration Shirou will be effectively invulnerable if he knows an attack is coming. With three lives on top of that and explosive weaponry (which he can suicide with comfortably if needs be) such as Caladbolg II, extremely powerful weaponry like the Z Saber and his own natural skill with weaponry, no one but the new Nova can effectively and efficiently take Shirou down and even she will have a hard time, considering Shirou's peak reflexes and danger senses. Finally we have Yu Narukami, with full access to his abilities. Izanagi No Okami, Shadow Yu and his additional persona. But on top of this he himself is now no longer simply a high school boy, he is a Death Knight with his equipment enchanted personally by The Lich King, with all of the specialties from World of Warcraft at his disposal and a powerful mount to ride with. These three factors make Yu Narukami a much more significant threat as with magic the durability of any of the opposing mercenaries goes out of the window, he can summon Ghouls to fight for him (Which taunt the enemies in the aggro sense) and on top of this he even possesses healing abilities, for example Raise Ally, which allows him to resurrect his allies at 60% HP. Even if his immensely tanky friend Shirou or the now impossibly fast The Boss dies, Yu possesses the abilities to bring them back to life. Without their now undead nature, these three would be hopelessly outmatched. However with their new forms and powers they've turned from fragile humans into inhumanly strong undead, with two of them gaining durability far beyond that of a regular human and one becoming impossibly fast. Together they now possess more than a chance to win this fight, they CAN win this fight. <cite>Alany posted [p:892161061] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>We have several major players on this field, the major one being The Boss. Infected by the Prototype Virus strain of the Progenitor Virus, she has been transformed into something no longer human, elevating her physical abilities into superhuman, much as the Progenitor Virus once did to Wesker, giving him his signature abilities. Gone are her wounds, her scar, her both cosmic and atomic radiation poisoning. In it's place is a hardened body that can resist bullets, survive point blank rocket explosions and regenerate her wounds within seconds and minutes. Her agility has been altered, allowing her to dodge bullets at almost point blank range, move so fast she is effectively teleporting and jump far larger distances. Example. And her strength, which prior was already extremely strong (Carried the davy crockett nuclear bomb launcher and ammunition, capable of firing it with just her bare hands) allows her to go into active superhuman, from impaling a person with her bare hand to breaking and bending steel. But she is not alone. Backing her up is an E-001 Infected Shirou, for those of you who haven't played RE7, give this video a skim. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0svJug-XVU To give the written high lights, Jack is supernaturally strong, able to use a shovel to pierce through a man's skull in a single strike. His regeneration and durability verges on insane, being able to survive multiple hits with a car, a car crash against girders and along with that being burned and finally shot in the head, blasting his brain apart. https://youtu.be/XkKmsIUcsyk?t=3m42s He then reappears, effectively unharmed. In this fight the protagonist shoves a chainsaw through the man's brain multiple times until he finally appears to die, his entire upper body gone. And yet he reappears once again later in the campaign. Combine this durability with Shirou's inherent own regeneration, Avalon healing him from the inside turns his wounds into swords and knits them together, combining these two methods of regeneration Shirou will be effectively invulnerable if he knows an attack is coming. With three lives on top of that and explosive weaponry (which he can suicide with comfortably if needs be) such as Caladbolg II, extremely powerful weaponry like the Z Saber and his own natural skill with weaponry, no one but the new Nova can effectively and efficiently take Shirou down and even she will have a hard time, considering Shirou's peak reflexes and danger senses. Finally we have Yu Narukami, with full access to his abilities. Izanagi No Okami, Shadow Yu and his additional persona. But on top of this he himself is now no longer simply a high school boy, he is a Death Knight with his equipment enchanted personally by The Lich King, with all of the specialties from World of Warcraft at his disposal and a powerful mount to ride with. These three factors make Yu Narukami a much more significant threat as with magic the durability of any of the opposing mercenaries goes out of the window, he can summon Ghouls to fight for him (Which taunt the enemies in the aggro sense) and on top of this he even possesses healing abilities, for example Raise Ally, which allows him to resurrect his allies at 60% HP. Even if his immensely tanky friend Shirou or the now impossibly fast The Boss dies, Yu possesses the abilities to bring them back to life. Without their now undead nature, these three would be hopelessly outmatched. However with their new forms and powers they've turned from fragile humans into inhumanly strong undead, with two of them gaining durability far beyond that of a regular human and one becoming impossibly fast. Together they now possess more than a chance to win this fight, they CAN win this fight.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 12/13/17 5:28:12 PM #6:	Shirou is still the worst on the field imo --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:892161165] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>Shirou is still the worst on the field imo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greengravy294 12/13/17 5:29:13 PM #7:	Classic kanz wall --- http://i.imgur.com/jknf665.png <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:892161220] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>Classic kanz wall</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 5:29:33 PM #8:	Arguing that magic is the equalizer here is pretty silly, I think - Ashley is just too damn tanky no matter what you throw at him (he faces spellcasters too and...yeah they get rolled the hell over as well), Terra has major magic resistance if they can even hit her, and Nova is permanently invisible and shielded. Yu also doesn't have resurrection magic unless explicitly stated otherwise (unlike Terra), so Raise Ally is a no-go there...even if he wouldn't job super hard to an Ultima or a faceful of plasma. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892161239] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>Arguing that magic is the equalizer here is pretty silly, I think - Ashley is just too damn tanky no matter what you throw at him (he faces spellcasters too and...yeah they get rolled the hell over as well), Terra has major magic resistance if they can even hit her, and Nova is permanently invisible and shielded. Yu also doesn't have resurrection magic unless explicitly stated otherwise (unlike Terra), so Raise Ally is a no-go there...even if he wouldn't job super hard to an Ultima or a faceful of plasma.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alany 12/13/17 5:30:47 PM #9:	FFDragon posted... Shirou is still the worst on the field imo Hey, at least now he can kill himself in a suicide explosion using Caladbolg and feasibly so at that! https://youtu.be/qYd-pClfUUE?t=1m13s <cite>Alany posted [p:892161306] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote>Shirou is still the worst on the field imo</quote> Hey, at least now he can kill himself in a suicide explosion using Caladbolg and feasibly so at that! https://youtu.be/qYd-pClfUUE?t=1m13s</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gatarix 12/13/17 5:31:53 PM #10:	oh hey this would've been useful for all those Ashley matches in Tom's thing that I abstained from what's the cast time and cooldown on Raise Ally? --- You put your RESOLVE HAT back on, which conveniently is the same hat as your NORMAL HAT. {Drakeryn} <cite>Gatarix posted [p:892161363] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>oh hey this would've been useful for all those Ashley matches in Tom's thing that I abstained from what's the cast time and cooldown on Raise Ally?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gatarix 12/13/17 5:32:15 PM #11:	oh ninja'd nvm --- You put your RESOLVE HAT back on, which conveniently is the same hat as your NORMAL HAT. {Drakeryn} <cite>Gatarix posted [p:892161387] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>oh ninja'd nvm</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 5:32:51 PM #12:	Gatarix posted... oh hey this would've been useful for all those Ashley matches in Tom's thing that I abstained from what's the cast time and cooldown on Raise Ally? Ten minutes. It's a oneshot resurrection compared to Terra's, if Yu has it which the rules suggest he doesn't. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892161416] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gatarix posted...</cite> <quote>oh hey this would've been useful for all those Ashley matches in Tom's thing that I abstained from what's the cast time and cooldown on Raise Ally?</quote> Ten minutes. It's a oneshot resurrection compared to Terra's, if Yu has it which the rules suggest he doesn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alany 12/13/17 5:35:14 PM #13:	KanzarisKelshen posted... even if he wouldn't job super hard to an Ultima or a faceful of plasma. He himself is coated in runic armor now, you're not seeing the regular coat or jacket from Persona, instead his armor now would be as effective as the heavy plate utilized by Death Knights, enchanted on top of that with magic specifically meant for defensive purposes. Unless you think The Lich King's handiwork can cave to a single spell or bolt of plasma? <cite>Alany posted [p:892161541] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>even if he wouldn't job super hard to an Ultima or a faceful of plasma.</quote> He himself is coated in runic armor now, you're not seeing the regular coat or jacket from Persona, instead his armor now would be as effective as the heavy plate utilized by Death Knights, enchanted on top of that with magic specifically meant for defensive purposes. Unless you think The Lich King's handiwork can cave to a single spell or bolt of plasma?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 5:36:40 PM #14:	Alany posted... KanzarisKelshen posted... even if he wouldn't job super hard to an Ultima or a faceful of plasma. He himself is coated in runic armor now, you're not seeing the regular coat or jacket from Persona, instead his armor now would be as effective as the heavy plate utilized by Death Knights, enchanted on top of that with magic specifically meant for defensive purposes. Unless you think The Lich King's handiwork can cave to a single spell or bolt of plasma? Ultimate ignores defense so ya p sure it will Yu's HP is not exactly setting the world on fire here (As for Nova, she can pop a headshot on him at leisure, considering she's, y'know, permanently invisible. No helmet, no defense against a psychic bullet to the brain!) --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892161646] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alany posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>even if he wouldn't job super hard to an Ultima or a faceful of plasma.</quote> He himself is coated in runic armor now, you're not seeing the regular coat or jacket from Persona, instead his armor now would be as effective as the heavy plate utilized by Death Knights, enchanted on top of that with magic specifically meant for defensive purposes. Unless you think The Lich King's handiwork can cave to a single spell or bolt of plasma?</quote> Ultimate ignores defense so ya p sure it will Yu's HP is not exactly setting the world on fire here (As for Nova, she can pop a headshot on him at leisure, considering she's, y'know, permanently invisible. No helmet, no defense against a psychic bullet to the brain!)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 5:37:54 PM #15:	Also, it might seem I'm being harsh on Yu but I'm really not - I think he's quite strong here and could challenge Ashley very well. The problem is Ashley's backup counters him pretty hard and Yu's backup is Shirou. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892161720] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>Also, it might seem I'm being harsh on Yu but I'm really not - I think he's quite strong here and could challenge Ashley very well. The problem is Ashley's backup counters him pretty hard and Yu's backup is Shirou.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gatarix 12/13/17 5:40:33 PM #16:	KanzarisKelshen posted... Yu's HP is not exactly setting the world on fire here I feel like the class change to Dark Knight probably helps with that? I don't know how much HP Dark Knights have, but it's got to be more than base high school student. --- You put your RESOLVE HAT back on, which conveniently is the same hat as your NORMAL HAT. {Drakeryn} <cite>Gatarix posted [p:892161889] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>Yu's HP is not exactly setting the world on fire here</quote> I feel like the class change to Dark Knight probably helps with that? I don't know how much HP Dark Knights have, but it's got to be more than base high school student.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alany 12/13/17 5:42:19 PM #17:	KanzarisKelshen posted... Ultimate ignores defense so ya p sure it will Ultima is not immune however to counter magic, such as Runic. It's absorbed into MP just like a whole host of other spells. MDef is not the only way to protect against a spell. KanzarisKelshen posted... Also, it might seem I'm being harsh on Yu but I'm really not - I think he's quite strong here and could challenge Ashley very well. The problem is Ashley's backup counters him pretty hard and Yu's backup is Shirou. Except you're forgetting The Boss, here. Especially against someone like Terra who would put herself out and clear in the open to cast Ultima, more than a clear target for The Boss. <cite>Alany posted [p:892161992] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>Ultimate ignores defense so ya p sure it will </quote> Ultima is not immune however to counter magic, such as Runic. It's absorbed into MP just like a whole host of other spells. MDef is not the only way to protect against a spell. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>Also, it might seem I'm being harsh on Yu but I'm really not - I think he's quite strong here and could challenge Ashley very well. The problem is Ashley's backup counters him pretty hard and Yu's backup is Shirou.</quote> Except you're forgetting The Boss, here. Especially against someone like Terra who would put herself out and clear in the open to cast Ultima, more than a clear target for The Boss.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alany 12/13/17 5:43:16 PM #18:	Gatarix posted... I feel like the class change to Dark Knight probably helps with that? I don't know how much HP Dark Knights have, but it's got to be more than base high school student. Death Knights from World of Warcraft are an explicitly tanky class with several self-healing abilities, so yes. It's pretty apt to say he's not in the Persona kiddy pool of HP <cite>Alany posted [p:892162035] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gatarix posted...</cite> <quote>I feel like the class change to Dark Knight probably helps with that? I don't know how much HP Dark Knights have, but it's got to be more than base high school student. </quote> Death Knights from World of Warcraft are an explicitly tanky class with several self-healing abilities, so yes. It's pretty apt to say he's not in the Persona kiddy pool of HP</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greengravy294 12/13/17 5:46:24 PM #19:	not sure if this is a particularly good town for nova to start sniping on. initial thought was that everyone kinda jobbed to her ranged capabilities besides shirou's plot hacks --- http://i.imgur.com/jknf665.png <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:892162217] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>not sure if this is a particularly good town for nova to start sniping on. initial thought was that everyone kinda jobbed to her ranged capabilities besides shirou's plot hacks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 5:49:01 PM #20:	Gatarix posted... KanzarisKelshen posted... Yu's HP is not exactly setting the world on fire here I feel like the class change to Dark Knight probably helps with that? I don't know how much HP Dark Knights have, but it's got to be more than base high school student. Sort of. Death Knights can spec into tanking, but at the cost of damage dealing (because both things require the same resource, Runic Power) and they're more drain tanks than beef walls. They stay alive by turning their steady damage into heals moreso than just being super tough. For reference, their main tanking ability gives them 20% damage reduction in a game where the other tanks have 50-75%. It's a problem since Esper Terra's Ultima is just gonna rip through him. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892162354] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gatarix posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>Yu's HP is not exactly setting the world on fire here</quote> I feel like the class change to Dark Knight probably helps with that? I don't know how much HP Dark Knights have, but it's got to be more than base high school student.</quote> Sort of. Death Knights can spec into tanking, but at the cost of damage dealing (because both things require the same resource, Runic Power) and they're more drain tanks than beef walls. They stay alive by turning their steady damage into heals moreso than just being super tough. For reference, their main tanking ability gives them 20% damage reduction in a game where the other tanks have 50-75%. It's a problem since Esper Terra's Ultima is just gonna rip through him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 5:51:00 PM #21:	Alany posted... KanzarisKelshen posted... Ultimate ignores defense so ya p sure it will Ultima is not immune however to counter magic, such as Runic. It's absorbed into MP just like a whole host of other spells. MDef is not the only way to protect against a spell. KanzarisKelshen posted... Also, it might seem I'm being harsh on Yu but I'm really not - I think he's quite strong here and could challenge Ashley very well. The problem is Ashley's backup counters him pretty hard and Yu's backup is Shirou. Except you're forgetting The Boss, here. Especially against someone like Terra who would put herself out and clear in the open to cast Ultima, more than a clear target for The Boss. Terra flies. If the Boss is trying to jump up to get her, she's putting herself in a terrible position and sacrificing all of her stealth to do so. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892162470] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alany posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>Ultimate ignores defense so ya p sure it will </quote> Ultima is not immune however to counter magic, such as Runic. It's absorbed into MP just like a whole host of other spells. MDef is not the only way to protect against a spell. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>Also, it might seem I'm being harsh on Yu but I'm really not - I think he's quite strong here and could challenge Ashley very well. The problem is Ashley's backup counters him pretty hard and Yu's backup is Shirou.</quote> Except you're forgetting The Boss, here. Especially against someone like Terra who would put herself out and clear in the open to cast Ultima, more than a clear target for The Boss.</quote> Terra flies. If the Boss is trying to jump up to get her, she's putting herself in a terrible position and sacrificing all of her stealth to do so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alany 12/13/17 5:53:40 PM #22:	greengravy294 posted... not sure if this is a particularly good town for nova to start sniping on. initial thought was that everyone kinda jobbed to her ranged capabilities besides shirou's plot hacks http://www.fantasyanime.com/finalfantasy/ff6/images/ff6gba_map01-Narshe1.png Narshe has an extensive amount of cover and internal mines but it does also have an overlooking mountain. Although, due to the immense amount of snow and ice, I suppose Nova's stealth would be hampered due to the amount of tracks she'd make. <cite>Alany posted [p:892162623] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>greengravy294 posted...</cite> <quote>not sure if this is a particularly good town for nova to start sniping on. initial thought was that everyone kinda jobbed to her ranged capabilities besides shirou's plot hacks </quote> http://www.fantasyanime.com/finalfantasy/ff6/images/ff6gba_map01-Narshe1.png Narshe has an extensive amount of cover and internal mines but it does also have an overlooking mountain. Although, due to the immense amount of snow and ice, I suppose Nova's stealth would be hampered due to the amount of tracks she'd make.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alany 12/13/17 5:55:01 PM #23:	KanzarisKelshen posted... Terra flies. If the Boss is trying to jump up to get her, she's putting herself in a terrible position and sacrificing all of her stealth to do so. She could also pull a wesker. Shirou traces her a Caladbolg II and she tosses it like Wesker does Missiles. <cite>Alany posted [p:892162696] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>Terra flies. If the Boss is trying to jump up to get her, she's putting herself in a terrible position and sacrificing all of her stealth to do so. </quote> She could also pull a wesker. Shirou traces her a Caladbolg II and she tosses it like Wesker does Missiles.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 5:58:10 PM #24:	It helps that she can teleport. See here: https://youtu.be/mow5lllCZAc?t=28 (no flying because she's not using the jumpsuit, but being able to teleport and sense enemies at a very long distance via psi and Ghost Visor gives her a definite stealth advantage here.) --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892162868] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>It helps that she can teleport. See here: https://youtu.be/mow5lllCZAc?t=28 (no flying because she's not using the jumpsuit, but being able to teleport and sense enemies at a very long distance via psi and Ghost Visor gives her a definite stealth advantage here.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 6:00:13 PM #25:	Alany posted... KanzarisKelshen posted... Terra flies. If the Boss is trying to jump up to get her, she's putting herself in a terrible position and sacrificing all of her stealth to do so. She could also pull a wesker. Shirou traces her a Caladbolg II and she tosses it like Wesker does Missiles. She certainly could, but at that point Shirou is dead/manaburned (because of trying to trace Caladbolg), and Nova and Ashley can take down Yu at leisure. Shirou is really, really not good backup for his two strong allies here. Couple that with Nova being all but assured first strike because she can track enemy movements and it's ugly, yo. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892162985] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alany posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>Terra flies. If the Boss is trying to jump up to get her, she's putting herself in a terrible position and sacrificing all of her stealth to do so. </quote> She could also pull a wesker. Shirou traces her a Caladbolg II and she tosses it like Wesker does Missiles.</quote> She certainly could, but at that point Shirou is dead/manaburned (because of trying to trace Caladbolg), and Nova and Ashley can take down Yu at leisure. Shirou is really, really not good backup for his two strong allies here. Couple that with Nova being all but assured first strike because she can track enemy movements and it's ugly, yo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gatarix 12/13/17 6:02:07 PM #26:	shirou will sense her killing intent!!! --- You put your RESOLVE HAT back on, which conveniently is the same hat as your NORMAL HAT. {Drakeryn} <cite>Gatarix posted [p:892163076] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>shirou will sense her killing intent!!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 6:05:08 PM #27:	Gatarix posted... shirou will sense her killing intent!!! See, I even buy this because that's something he can do. And then he's gonna do the shirou thing and bodyblock for his allies, die and start the fight 2v3, because that's something he 100% would do (remember how I argued he'd basically die for Sora vs Zeratul way back when? Nothing if not consistent here!). He'll get back up but it'll still buy Nova's team several seconds of putting huge pressure on Yu and the Boss, time enough to score a decisive advantage. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892163248] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gatarix posted...</cite> <quote>shirou will sense her killing intent!!!</quote> See, I even buy this because that's something he can do. And then he's gonna do the shirou thing and bodyblock for his allies, die and start the fight 2v3, because that's something he 100% would do (remember how I argued he'd basically die for Sora vs Zeratul way back when? Nothing if not consistent here!). He'll get back up but it'll still buy Nova's team several seconds of putting huge pressure on Yu and the Boss, time enough to score a decisive advantage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alany 12/13/17 6:06:13 PM #28:	KanzarisKelshen posted... She certainly could, but at that point Shirou is dead/manaburned (because of trying to trace Caladbolg), and Nova and Ashley can take down Yu at leisure. Shirou is really, really not good backup for his two strong allies here. Couple that with Nova being all but assured first strike because she can track enemy movements and it's ugly, yo. That depends on the area of engagement. Simply because Nova knows their position doesn't mean she'll be able to have a first strike. If they choose a defensive terrain in the tunnels, knowing that all of their number have the ability to survive a cave-in and get themselves out then Nova and team will be effectively out of luck, especially with Yu setting up Ghouls to scout. <cite>Alany posted [p:892163311] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>She certainly could, but at that point Shirou is dead/manaburned (because of trying to trace Caladbolg), and Nova and Ashley can take down Yu at leisure. Shirou is really, really not good backup for his two strong allies here. Couple that with Nova being all but assured first strike because she can track enemy movements and it's ugly, yo. </quote> That depends on the area of engagement. Simply because Nova knows their position doesn't mean she'll be able to have a first strike. If they choose a defensive terrain in the tunnels, knowing that all of their number have the ability to survive a cave-in and get themselves out then Nova and team will be effectively out of luck, especially with Yu setting up Ghouls to scout.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 6:07:54 PM #29:	Alany posted... KanzarisKelshen posted... She certainly could, but at that point Shirou is dead/manaburned (because of trying to trace Caladbolg), and Nova and Ashley can take down Yu at leisure. Shirou is really, really not good backup for his two strong allies here. Couple that with Nova being all but assured first strike because she can track enemy movements and it's ugly, yo. That depends on the area of engagement. Simply because Nova knows their position doesn't mean she'll be able to have a first strike. If they choose a defensive terrain in the tunnels, knowing that all of their number have the ability to survive a cave-in and get themselves out then Nova and team will be effectively out of luck, especially with Yu setting up Ghouls to scout. Ghouls are going to do a better scouting job than the hi-tech psychic with a visor that specifically tells here where enemies in a large radius are, through walls? --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892163399] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alany posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>She certainly could, but at that point Shirou is dead/manaburned (because of trying to trace Caladbolg), and Nova and Ashley can take down Yu at leisure. Shirou is really, really not good backup for his two strong allies here. Couple that with Nova being all but assured first strike because she can track enemy movements and it's ugly, yo. </quote> That depends on the area of engagement. Simply because Nova knows their position doesn't mean she'll be able to have a first strike. If they choose a defensive terrain in the tunnels, knowing that all of their number have the ability to survive a cave-in and get themselves out then Nova and team will be effectively out of luck, especially with Yu setting up Ghouls to scout.</quote> Ghouls are going to do a better scouting job than the hi-tech psychic with a visor that specifically tells here where enemies in a large radius are, through walls?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alany 12/13/17 6:13:15 PM #30:	KanzarisKelshen posted... Shirou is dead/manaburned (because of trying to trace Caladbolg) KanzarisKelshen posted... And then he's gonna do the shirou thing and bodyblock for his allies, die and start the fight 2v3 With multiple lives and a now inhuman body, Shirou's not going to be taken down by anything but an absolute destruction of his brain and heart, anything less and he'll regenerate within a few moments, with his stacking regeneration. If he's bodyblocking as you said, then that for the most part would mean that whatever is hitting him would not hit these lethal locations (Example: Nova going for headshot on Yu. Shirou bodyblocks, shot goes on his body.) <cite>Alany posted [p:892163700] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote> Shirou is dead/manaburned (because of trying to trace Caladbolg)</quote> <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>And then he's gonna do the shirou thing and bodyblock for his allies, die and start the fight 2v3</quote> With multiple lives and a now inhuman body, Shirou's not going to be taken down by anything but an absolute destruction of his brain and heart, anything less and he'll regenerate within a few moments, with his stacking regeneration. If he's bodyblocking as you said, then that for the most part would mean that whatever is hitting him would not hit these lethal locations (Example: Nova going for headshot on Yu. Shirou bodyblocks, shot goes on his body.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alany 12/13/17 6:40:19 PM #31:	KanzarisKelshen posted... Ghouls are going to do a better scouting job than the hi-tech psychic with a visor that specifically tells here where enemies in a large radius are, through walls? In a small close quarters environment, they're going to act as both scouts and bodyblockers, allowing Yu to effectively pinpoint their position as they're dealing with the undead husks. Combine that with the ludicrous speed of The Boss and anyone she catches down there is going to be riddled with bullets before they have a chance to truly retaliate against her. <cite>Alany posted [p:892165286] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>Ghouls are going to do a better scouting job than the hi-tech psychic with a visor that specifically tells here where enemies in a large radius are, through walls? </quote> In a small close quarters environment, they're going to act as both scouts and bodyblockers, allowing Yu to effectively pinpoint their position as they're dealing with the undead husks. Combine that with the ludicrous speed of The Boss and anyone she catches down there is going to be riddled with bullets before they have a chance to truly retaliate against her.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 12/13/17 6:43:18 PM #32:	Wesker Boss is pretty scary. I'm fairly certain she just hoses Terra outright. Flight doesn't help you much versus a speedster with a machine gun --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:892165434] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>Wesker Boss is pretty scary. I'm fairly certain she just hoses Terra outright. Flight doesn't help you much versus a speedster with a machine gun</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 6:45:50 PM #33:	DeathChicken posted... Wesker Boss is pretty scary. I'm fairly certain she just hoses Terra outright. Flight doesn't help you much versus a speedster with a machine gun Knowing she's coming helps with that. It's not the first time Nova has ran across speedy slippery buggers, so being able to set up a team ambush helps a lot to ensure Boss can't do that much to Terra. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892165560] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>DeathChicken posted...</cite> <quote>Wesker Boss is pretty scary. I'm fairly certain she just hoses Terra outright. Flight doesn't help you much versus a speedster with a machine gun</quote> Knowing she's coming helps with that. It's not the first time Nova has ran across speedy slippery buggers, so being able to set up a team ambush helps a lot to ensure Boss can't do that much to Terra.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alany 12/13/17 6:50:03 PM #34:	KanzarisKelshen posted... Knowing she's coming helps with that. It's not the first time Nova has ran across speedy slippery buggers, so being able to set up a team ambush helps a lot to ensure Boss can't do that much to Terra. How can you set up an ambush against someone who can effectively teleport? Wesker Boss can essentially dodge anything the opposing team can throw at her. Not to mention... I truly doubt Nova can get a good read on how fast Wesker Boss will be when she's walking around with her team <cite>Alany posted [p:892165790] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>Knowing she's coming helps with that. It's not the first time Nova has ran across speedy slippery buggers, so being able to set up a team ambush helps a lot to ensure Boss can't do that much to Terra. </quote> How can you set up an ambush against someone who can effectively teleport? Wesker Boss can essentially dodge anything the opposing team can throw at her. Not to mention... I truly doubt Nova can get a good read on how fast Wesker Boss will be when she's walking around with her team</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GANON1025 12/13/17 6:50:35 PM #35:	Now that Shirou has the powers of a good character things are interesting. It'd be pretty hard to keep him down, nothing less than complete destruction of his body is going to cut it --- https://i.imgur.com/G17qCv1.gif <cite>GANON1025 posted [p:892165820] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>Now that Shirou has the powers of a good character things are interesting. It'd be pretty hard to keep him down, nothing less than complete destruction of his body is going to cut it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 6:53:23 PM #36:	Alany posted... KanzarisKelshen posted... Knowing she's coming helps with that. It's not the first time Nova has ran across speedy slippery buggers, so being able to set up a team ambush helps a lot to ensure Boss can't do that much to Terra. How can you set up an ambush against someone who can effectively teleport? Wesker Boss can essentially dodge anything the opposing team can throw at her. Not to mention... I truly doubt Nova can get a good read on how fast Wesker Boss will be when she's walking around with her team By taking advantage of the fact she's only as fast as her much more sluggish teammates. Wesker Boss can't leave them because if she gets into a 1v3 or Nova catches Yu and Shirou alone, she's dying, period. Trading Terra, who's the team's support, for the Boss, who's the enemy team's heavy hitter, is a huge win for the defenders. (Relatedly, explain to me how they're gonna deal with Ashley. Their stuff is uhh, pretty far beneath his defensive paygrade, especially if Shirou manaburns himself trying to kill Terra too. All those resources spent on the support make the main gun an insurmountable obstacle.) --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892165971] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alany posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>Knowing she's coming helps with that. It's not the first time Nova has ran across speedy slippery buggers, so being able to set up a team ambush helps a lot to ensure Boss can't do that much to Terra. </quote> How can you set up an ambush against someone who can effectively teleport? Wesker Boss can essentially dodge anything the opposing team can throw at her. Not to mention... I truly doubt Nova can get a good read on how fast Wesker Boss will be when she's walking around with her team</quote> By taking advantage of the fact she's only as fast as her much more sluggish teammates. Wesker Boss can't leave them because if she gets into a 1v3 or Nova catches Yu and Shirou alone, she's dying, period. Trading Terra, who's the team's support, for the Boss, who's the enemy team's heavy hitter, is a huge win for the defenders. (Relatedly, explain to me how they're gonna deal with Ashley. Their stuff is uhh, pretty far beneath his defensive paygrade, especially if Shirou manaburns himself trying to kill Terra too. All those resources spent on the support make the main gun an insurmountable obstacle.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alany 12/13/17 6:58:51 PM #37:	KanzarisKelshen posted... Wesker Boss can't leave them because if she gets into a 1v3 Why is this an issue, again? She's practically immune to gunfire, Terra's casting doesn't autohit and Ashley can't hit her. Even if she gets clipped by bullets she heals and if she gets into CQC then she outskills and outspeeds her opponents. Even if she can't KILL Ashley, HE can't kill her. KanzarisKelshen posted... especially if Shirou manaburns himself trying to kill Terra too. All those resources spent on the support make the main gun an insurmountable obstacle.) Shirou can burn himself out three times to create Caladbolgs. If you want to take an alternative interpretation one could also say that the E-001 provides him with almost limitless mana and body to burn, considering how much it impacted Jack's stamina. <cite>Alany posted [p:892166290] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>Wesker Boss can't leave them because if she gets into a 1v3</quote> Why is this an issue, again? She's practically immune to gunfire, Terra's casting doesn't autohit and Ashley can't hit her. Even if she gets clipped by bullets she heals and if she gets into CQC then she outskills and outspeeds her opponents. Even if she can't KILL Ashley, HE can't kill her. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>especially if Shirou manaburns himself trying to kill Terra too. All those resources spent on the support make the main gun an insurmountable obstacle.)</quote> Shirou can burn himself out three times to create Caladbolgs. If you want to take an alternative interpretation one could also say that the E-001 provides him with almost limitless mana and body to burn, considering how much it impacted Jack's stamina.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 7:04:37 PM #38:	You do realize Nova has TK bullets and also can teleport just like the boss can, right Similarly, Ashley has the Force Power Accelerator (which massively amps his reflexes to let him act first no matter what in his game - sounds like the ticket for dealing with the Boss), and is quite fast himself. The idea they can't deal with the boss is silly when they have two highly capable melee combatants, one of whom has better parameters than her in every area and can secure the reflexes edge at will. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892166611] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>You do realize Nova has TK bullets and also can teleport just like the boss can, right Similarly, Ashley has the Force Power Accelerator (which massively amps his reflexes to let him act first no matter what in his game - sounds like the ticket for dealing with the Boss), and is quite fast himself. The idea they can't deal with the boss is silly when they have two highly capable melee combatants, one of whom has better parameters than her in every area and can secure the reflexes edge at will.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 12/13/17 7:31:23 PM #39:	I think Boss Wesker is #1 or a very close #2 here. But I do think Shirou is mostly dead weight. The best he can hope for is, yeah, suicide tactics. Considering Jack straight up shoots his own head off for giggles and is fine five minutes later, I do buy him being good to go relatively quickly. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:892168159] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>I think Boss Wesker is #1 or a very close #2 here. But I do think Shirou is mostly dead weight. The best he can hope for is, yeah, suicide tactics. Considering Jack straight up shoots his own head off for giggles and is fine five minutes later, I do buy him being good to go relatively quickly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 7:52:00 PM #40:	The main problem isn't that Shirou's down to suicide tactics so much as when he runs outta mana, that's all she wrote. Shirou has enough juice in him for one Caladbolg, give or take a couple Z-Sabers or K&Bs. Afterward, his MP recovery is measured in terms of days, not seconds or minutes. There's no real compelling reason for the E-001 to make him a better caster, so you end up with a tankier manaless Shirou who is still manaless Shirou and thus totally outclassed. Like if I had to rank the mercs in this match... Ashley=>Wesker Boss>Nova>>Yu>=Terra>>>Shirou That looks about right to me.Take out Ashley and the Boss and Nova could easily solo Yu and Shirou because they can't catch her or really harm her thanks to her energy shield. Boss needs to do some immense carrying for her team to pull this one out. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892169397] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>The main problem isn't that Shirou's down to suicide tactics so much as when he runs outta mana, that's all she wrote. Shirou has enough juice in him for one Caladbolg, give or take a couple Z-Sabers or K&Bs. Afterward, his MP recovery is measured in terms of days, not seconds or minutes. There's no real compelling reason for the E-001 to make him a better caster, so you end up with a tankier manaless Shirou who is still manaless Shirou and thus totally outclassed. Like if I had to rank the mercs in this match... Ashley=>Wesker Boss>Nova>>Yu>=Terra>>>Shirou That looks about right to me.Take out Ashley and the Boss and Nova could easily solo Yu and Shirou because they can't catch her or really harm her thanks to her energy shield. Boss needs to do some immense carrying for her team to pull this one out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 12/13/17 7:59:07 PM #41:	KanzarisKelshen posted... There's no real compelling reason for the E-001 to make him a better caster, agreed --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:892169824] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>There's no real compelling reason for the E-001 to make him a better caster,</quote> agreed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alany 12/13/17 8:05:38 PM #42:	KanzarisKelshen posted... The main problem isn't that Shirou's down to suicide tactics so much as when he runs outta mana, that's all she wrote. Shirou has enough juice in him for one Caladbolg, give or take a couple Z-Sabers or K&Bs. Afterward, his MP recovery is measured in terms of days, not seconds or minutes. There's no real compelling reason for the E-001 to make him a better caster, Because, as you know, casting in Fateverse works not off of MP as such, but MP and Lifeforce. Shirou can literally kill himself by overcasting beyond his limits. E-001 as every single scene has showed, is overflowing with life, to the point where Jack can't be killed by anything but an injection of the specific anti-virus that counters E-001. So there are two possibilities 1) Thanks to E-001's overflowing lifeforce, Shirou can overcast essentially for free, although at likely excruciating pain to himself. 2) Thanks to E-001, Shirou can resurrect himself after killing himself, allowing him to effectively overextend his mana with his lives. Which is something he'd do, as he's only aware of the limit after the 3rd death. <cite>Alany posted [p:892170187] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>The main problem isn't that Shirou's down to suicide tactics so much as when he runs outta mana, that's all she wrote. Shirou has enough juice in him for one Caladbolg, give or take a couple Z-Sabers or K&Bs. Afterward, his MP recovery is measured in terms of days, not seconds or minutes. There's no real compelling reason for the E-001 to make him a better caster,</quote> Because, as you know, casting in Fateverse works not off of MP as such, but MP and Lifeforce. Shirou can literally kill himself by overcasting beyond his limits. E-001 as every single scene has showed, is overflowing with life, to the point where Jack can't be killed by anything but an injection of the specific anti-virus that counters E-001. So there are two possibilities 1) Thanks to E-001's overflowing lifeforce, Shirou can overcast essentially for free, although at likely excruciating pain to himself. 2) Thanks to E-001, Shirou can resurrect himself after killing himself, allowing him to effectively overextend his mana with his lives. Which is something he'd do, as he's only aware of the limit after the 3rd death.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZeeksFire 12/13/17 8:05:53 PM #43:	Hey Kanzaris, Nova does not have teleportation abilities per writeup, that comes from the Phase Reactor suit, not the Tactical stealth suit. <cite>ZeeksFire posted [p:892170194] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>Hey Kanzaris, Nova does not have teleportation abilities per writeup, that comes from the Phase Reactor suit, not the Tactical stealth suit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 12/13/17 8:06:51 PM #44:	Alany posted... to the point where Jack can't be killed by anything but an injection of the specific anti-virus that counters E-001. for the record, this doesn't even kill Jack (it just made him actually killable via normal means (it was a punch with a super gauntlet that actually killed him)) --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:892170251] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alany posted...</cite> <quote>to the point where Jack can't be killed by anything but an injection of the specific anti-virus that counters E-001. </quote> for the record, this doesn't even kill Jack (it just made him actually killable via normal means (it was a punch with a super gauntlet that actually killed him))</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 8:09:56 PM #45:	ZeeksFire posted... Hey Kanzaris, Nova does not have teleportation abilities per writeup, that comes from the Phase Reactor suit, not the Tactical stealth suit. She does get them. Check the two vids I posted for her, she gets teleporting from the Blazefire Gunblade and so-fast-it-might-as-well-be-teleporting dashing from the Monomolecular Blade. Phase Reactor gives her cloaking blinks which she doesn't get here, not that it's a big deal. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892170415] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZeeksFire posted...</cite> <quote>Hey Kanzaris, Nova does not have teleportation abilities per writeup, that comes from the Phase Reactor suit, not the Tactical stealth suit.</quote> She does get them. Check the two vids I posted for her, she gets teleporting from the Blazefire Gunblade and so-fast-it-might-as-well-be-teleporting dashing from the Monomolecular Blade. Phase Reactor gives her cloaking blinks which she doesn't get here, not that it's a big deal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greengravy294 12/13/17 8:18:21 PM #46:	wesker boss is great but unfortunately she only has a lame machine gun --- http://i.imgur.com/jknf665.png <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:892170879] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>wesker boss is great but unfortunately she only has a lame machine gun</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZeeksFire 12/13/17 8:31:14 PM #47:	http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Nova_Terra_(Nova_Covert_Ops) I wouldn't call a dashing slash, and an area slashing spree defensive/mobility teleportation by any means. I'd also be worried if she considers those the best choice of actions, since that is just relying on being in melee for everything, and even with cloaking, without having energy Nova is possibly the squishiest person healthwise out of the six people here, and I could easily consider both abilities potentially cancelable via Yu's Death Knight abilities. <cite>ZeeksFire posted [p:892171654] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote>http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Nova_Terra_(Nova_Covert_Ops) I wouldn't call a dashing slash, and an area slashing spree defensive/mobility teleportation by any means. I'd also be worried if she considers those the best choice of actions, since that is just relying on being in melee for everything, and even with cloaking, without having energy Nova is possibly the squishiest person healthwise out of the six people here, and I could easily consider both abilities potentially cancelable via Yu's Death Knight abilities.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 8:47:09 PM #48:	ZeeksFire posted... http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Nova_Terra_(Nova_Covert_Ops) I wouldn't call a dashing slash, and an area slashing spree defensive/mobility teleportation by any means. I'd also be worried if she considers those the best choice of actions, since that is just relying on being in melee for everything, and even with cloaking, without having energy Nova is possibly the squishiest person healthwise out of the six people here, and I could easily consider both abilities potentially cancelable via Yu's Death Knight abilities. Nova has an energy shield too, yo. It dampens any damage she takes to a minimal amount until she's overloaded. If the Boss goes in solo to try and gank Terra then it's absolutely something she would take advantage of, because it's smarter than shooting into her allies. She's not gonna try to sword Yu and Shirou as he first choice, but using a weapon that is unlikely to hurt allies when in close quarters? That makes a ton of sense. EDIT: Realistically though what happens is she helps her team set up camp at an excellent ambush spot like the Narshe snowfield and its hidden cave, waits until Ashley baits the enemies into a fight, then snipes Yu or Shirou as necessary while Terra and Ashley deal with Wesker Boss. Defeating the Boss in a 2v1 with her and Ashley is cleanup. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892172502] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZeeksFire posted...</cite> <quote>http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Nova_Terra_(Nova_Covert_Ops) I wouldn't call a dashing slash, and an area slashing spree defensive/mobility teleportation by any means. I'd also be worried if she considers those the best choice of actions, since that is just relying on being in melee for everything, and even with cloaking, without having energy Nova is possibly the squishiest person healthwise out of the six people here, and I could easily consider both abilities potentially cancelable via Yu's Death Knight abilities.</quote> Nova has an energy shield too, yo. It dampens any damage she takes to a minimal amount until she's overloaded. If the Boss goes in solo to try and gank Terra then it's absolutely something she would take advantage of, because it's smarter than shooting into her allies. She's not gonna try to sword Yu and Shirou as he first choice, but using a weapon that is unlikely to hurt allies when in close quarters? That makes a ton of sense. EDIT: Realistically though what happens is she helps her team set up camp at an excellent ambush spot like the Narshe snowfield and its hidden cave, waits until Ashley baits the enemies into a fight, then snipes Yu or Shirou as necessary while Terra and Ashley deal with Wesker Boss. Defeating the Boss in a 2v1 with her and Ashley is cleanup.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alany 12/13/17 8:58:30 PM #49:	KanzarisKelshen posted... then snipes Yu or Shirou as necessary See, that's the tough part. Because both of them have methods of dealing with it. Yu with taunting Ghouls and Shirou with his regeneration. Not to mention, as Terra most certainly doesn't have the ability to keep up with Boss Wesker and whether Ashley does or not is up in the air, seeing her going straight after Nova by spraying the entire area where she's at doesn't seem out of the question. <cite>Alany posted [p:892173099] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>then snipes Yu or Shirou as necessary</quote> See, that's the tough part. Because both of them have methods of dealing with it. Yu with taunting Ghouls and Shirou with his regeneration. Not to mention, as Terra most certainly doesn't have the ability to keep up with Boss Wesker and whether Ashley does or not is up in the air, seeing her going straight after Nova by spraying the entire area where she's at doesn't seem out of the question.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/13/17 9:00:40 PM #50:	Alany posted... KanzarisKelshen posted... then snipes Yu or Shirou as necessary See, that's the tough part. Because both of them have methods of dealing with it. Yu with taunting Ghouls and Shirou with his regeneration. Not to mention, as Terra most certainly doesn't have the ability to keep up with Boss Wesker and whether Ashley does or not is up in the air, seeing her going straight after Nova by spraying the entire area where she's at doesn't seem out of the question. Regeneration doesn't help against burning, persistent plasma. Nova's plasma rifle leaves the plasma where it strikes meaning it'll consume Shirou's body the second she realizes he regens. And you realize taunting ghouls are kind of a silly argument against a sniper, right? (And, y'know, refer above to Nova having a shield to protect her from damage. It's gonna stop the Patriot's dakka cold.) --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892173211] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:76095702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alany posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>then snipes Yu or Shirou as necessary</quote> See, that's the tough part. Because both of them have methods of dealing with it. Yu with taunting Ghouls and Shirou with his regeneration. Not to mention, as Terra most certainly doesn't have the ability to keep up with Boss Wesker and whether Ashley does or not is up in the air, seeing her going straight after Nova by spraying the entire area where she's at doesn't seem out of the question.</quote> Regeneration doesn't help against burning, persistent plasma. Nova's plasma rifle leaves the plasma where it strikes meaning it'll consume Shirou's body the second she realizes he regens. And you realize taunting ghouls are kind of a silly argument against a sniper, right? (And, y'know, refer above to Nova having a shield to protect her from damage. It's gonna stop the Patriot's dakka cold.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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