Current Events > Do you believe black people are unfairly targeted by police?

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thelovefist posted...

Kineth posted...

thelovefist posted...

I don't think that's what he's saying at all.

Yeah, well you've expressed incredulity at many factual assertions on this subject so how about your step your Aussie ass back into the shadows on this.

What in that word soup mess are you even trying to say? Also, I am not Australian.

You've said you were Aussie before.

What I'm saying is that you didn't believe it when I stated that the FBI has documented a notable white supremacist population in the police force, among other things.
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cjsdowg posted...

I love how UR and Addie just saying point blank it is ok to not treat all Americans equally .

No one has said this.

You're arguments are Carly Rae Jepsen .

They're so bad, I mean like so so bad.
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I don't get how one could grow up black in this country and not reach this conclusion. It's fairly obvious that they do
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Kineth posted...

thelovefist posted...

Kineth posted...

thelovefist posted...

I don't think that's what he's saying at all.

Yeah, well you've expressed incredulity at many factual assertions on this subject so how about your step your Aussie ass back into the shadows on this.

What in that word soup mess are you even trying to say? Also, I am not Australian.

You've said you were Aussie before.

What I'm saying is that you didn't believe it when I stated that the FBI has documented a notable white supremacist population in the police force, among other things.

I don't recall seeing this FBI thing or making that comment and I definitely haven't claimed to be Australian. I think you have me confused with someone else.
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JustMyOpinion posted...

CE is surprisingly sheltered.

Ain't no surprise about it
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cjsdowg posted...

I love how UR and Addie just saying point blank it is ok to not treat all Americans equally .

They haven't said that though.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Anecdotes? Really? Dude, you went to college. You know better than that.

Don't condescend to me.

The Admiral posted...

Patchwork posted...

Kineth posted...

My white friend stole a car and drove it for 6 months and never got stopped. Meanwhile, I inherit a car from my granddad and within a week I get pulled over because of a busted headlight, twice. Driving along the same streets.

People on this website...

And jfc Admiral, how many times are you gonna say "Baltimore and Ferguson". That's been years ago now. Get something more original.

To be fair, I'll pull everyone over with a busted headlight. It's easy PC to stop a car.

Fix your headlight, man.

This is exactly the point. Kineth casually dismisses the fact that he had a busted taillight as the reason he was pulled over, and jumps right to racism.

Did the white friend have a busted taillight for those 6 months?

He had one for 3 months along with an expired registration IN A STOLEN CAR. AND YOU MOUTHBREATHERS ARE GETTING ON ME FOR A BUSTED HEADLIGHT.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Every time I go to work I'm searched and so is my Briefcase.

They're not treating me the same as they treat a terrorist, and it's not unfair treatment.

You said it yourself. 85% people are clean and let go.

15% are not clean and then are treated as if they are criminals. You're arguing against yourself.

No I am arguing against a bigot. You are really trying to compare a mandatory search that everyone has to deal with at your work. To people being targeted on the streets and force to be searched. I refused to believe you are that daft .
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Kineth posted...

He had it for 3 months along with an expired registration IN A STOLEN CAR. AND YOU SHITHEADS ARE GETTING ON ME FOR A BUSTED HEADLIGHT.

Because you are complaining you were arrested for it.
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cjsdowg posted...

No I am arguing against a bigot. You are really trying to compare a mandatory search that everyone has to deal with at your work. To people being targeted on the streets and force to be searched. I refused to believe you are that daft .

I'm trying to explain to you the difference between suspcion and being treated as if you commited a crime.

And you still don't understand it.

4 year old girls can understand this, but you can't
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Kineth posted...

He had it for 3 months along with an expired registration IN A STOLEN CAR. AND YOU MOUTHBREATHERS ARE GETTING ON ME FOR A BUSTED HEADLIGHT.

What are you not understanding? Unless he had a sign that said "this car is stolen," there is no way the cops would know this or would have cause to pull him over. You, however, had a visible reason for the cops to pull you over, and they justifiably did.

This is such a large part of the problem with this issue. Kineth can't take any responsibility for what he did or admit that it was fair that he was pulled over. All he's doing is saying "that white guy wasn't pulled over for something totally different! Racism!! I'm a victim!!"

No, you're not.
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thelovefist posted...

I don't recall seeing this FBI thing or making that comment and I definitely haven't claimed to be Australian. I think you have me confused with someone else.

You definitely were the one with the FBI comment. Then what nationality are you because that's 3 people, Mal_Fet, Rika_Furude and you who I'm pretty sure have said are Aussie and now suddenly want to evacuate the island.
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The Admiral posted...

Kineth posted...

He had it for 3 months along with an expired registration IN A STOLEN CAR. AND YOU MOUTHBREATHERS ARE GETTING ON ME FOR A BUSTED HEADLIGHT.

What are you not understanding? Unless he had a sign that said "this car is stolen," there is no way the cops would know this or would have cause to pull him over. You, however, had a visible reason for the cops to pull you over, and they justifiably did.

This is such a large part of the problem with this issue. Kineth can't take any responsibility for what he did or admit that it was fair that he was pulled over. All he's doing is saying "that white guy wasn't pulled over for something totally different! Racism!! I'm a victim!!"

No, you're not.

Not only that, he literally said he got pulled over twice

So he got caught for a busted taillight, DECIDED NOT TO FIX IT! then called racism when he got busted a second time....

Going back to the aforementioned 4 year old girl, she would not be that stupid
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The Admiral posted...

Kineth posted...

He had it for 3 months along with an expired registration IN A STOLEN CAR. AND YOU MOUTHBREATHERS ARE GETTING ON ME FOR A BUSTED HEADLIGHT.

What are you not understanding? Unless he had a sign that said "this car is stolen," there is no way the cops would know this or would have cause to pull him over.

Yes, the cops would have known since the owner, a former cop reported it stolen and like I said. He had a busted headlight for 3 months and I don't know what podunk town you live in, but the cops here can run license plates while in their cars.

Your idea of problems is outside of reality btw. Thank goodness the cops here aren't like the trash that I routinely deal with on this website.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

boxington posted...

when did this become about poor, more violent areas, than the experiences of black people in general?

When "Cops are unfair" changed to "Cops profile sometimes."

The goalposts got moved

except my argument's the same; it's not my fault you inferred something different.

and I think you quoted the wrong part of my post if you wanted to hold it against me, lol.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I'm trying to explain to you the difference between suspcion and being treated as if you commited a crime.

And you still don't understand it.

4 year old girls can understand this, but you can't

Dude you treated to compare a search at your job to someone on the street being searched. If you don't understand how that is different then there is no hope for you.
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Kineth posted...

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Anecdotes? Really? Dude, you went to college. You know better than that.

Don't condescend to me.

The Admiral posted...

Patchwork posted...

Kineth posted...

My white friend stole a car and drove it for 6 months and never got stopped. Meanwhile, I inherit a car from my granddad and within a week I get pulled over because of a busted headlight, twice. Driving along the same streets.

People on this website...

And jfc Admiral, how many times are you gonna say "Baltimore and Ferguson". That's been years ago now. Get something more original.

To be fair, I'll pull everyone over with a busted headlight. It's easy PC to stop a car.

Fix your headlight, man.

This is exactly the point. Kineth casually dismisses the fact that he had a busted taillight as the reason he was pulled over, and jumps right to racism.

Did the white friend have a busted taillight for those 6 months?

He had one for 3 months along with an expired registration IN A STOLEN CAR. AND YOU MOUTHBREATHERS ARE GETTING ON ME FOR A BUSTED HEADLIGHT.

I'm not getting on you. That's a failure on your departments behalf to not identify that vehicle via BOLO or by running the plate.

But a headlight is an easy violation for a stop and has nothing to do with your race.
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boxington posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

boxington posted...

when did this become about poor, more violent areas, than the experiences of black people in general?

When "Cops are unfair" changed to "Cops profile sometimes."

The goalposts got moved

except my argument's the same; it's not my fault you inferred something different.

and I think you quoted the wrong part of my post if you wanted to hold it against me, lol.

Not holding anything against you, I'm explaining why the topic shifted from all of America to the handful of places that have stop and frisk or higher levels of racial profiling. Which are poor more violent areas.
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Patchwork posted...

I'm not getting on you. That's a failure on your departments behalf to not identify that vehicle via BOLO or by running the plate.

But a headlight is an easy violation for a stop and has nothing to do with your race.

Oh, I'm aware of all of this. Hell, the cop who stopped me that time explicitly said the part about the easy violation before letting me go with a warning.
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Kineth posted...

Patchwork posted...

I'm not getting on you. That's a failure on your departments behalf to not identify that vehicle via BOLO or by running the plate.

But a headlight is an easy violation for a stop and has nothing to do with your race.

Oh, I'm aware of all of this. Hell, the cop who stopped me that time explicitly said the part about the easy violation before letting me go with a warning.

I can't tell you the amount of times I've pulled drugs out of cars I stopped for light violations.
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Patchwork posted...

Kineth posted...

Patchwork posted...

I'm not getting on you. That's a failure on your departments behalf to not identify that vehicle via BOLO or by running the plate.

But a headlight is an easy violation for a stop and has nothing to do with your race.

Oh, I'm aware of all of this. Hell, the cop who stopped me that time explicitly said the part about the easy violation before letting me go with a warning.

I can't tell you the amount of times I've pulled drugs out of cars I stopped for light violations.

7?
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I literally can't tell you, because it's so many. Normally just small amounts of weed, but I just got 30 stamp bags the other day and a buddy of mine ended up scoring around 20 lbs of weed about a month or two ago.

All started with lighting violations, progressed with the smell of marijuana, and culminated in charges.
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The answer to the initial question is a little more nuanced. Do I believe that black people are automatically targeted by police no matter what? No, because hell I or any other black person would not be able to go about or daily lives. Do I believe that there is a disparity in policing? Yes.

I live in a smallish SE Texas county with a total population of about 250k. Everybody knows everybody or knows someone that you are friends with or related to. Police here tend to be less likely to engage in some kind of blatant fuckery (like the LAPD cop caught on camera planting drugs on a suspect, or that recent Dallas incident) than say a big city. Now when it comes to drug busts, yeah they hit black and Hispanic areas harder than white areas, and the white areas have just as much if not more drug activity going on.
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No blacks commit a disportionate amount of crime so of course they'll be targeted more.

SageHarpuia posted...

Heaven forbid we take it on a case-by-case basis

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Teddytalks posted...

Topics like this make it so easy to tag people, mainly because it is always the same shitty posters making the same shitty opinions, over and over. The answer to the topic is true, they are. They are perceived as more hostile, treated worse, and generally consider the problem more so than they should be. We could go on hour long debates about the rationale behind this, the psychology that backs my claims about how perceptual biased play into police action, and how society views towards black structures a society where any act is seen as extra-aggressive, but it would be all null as there are firmly two camps on this, the people who know what I am talking about, and people who won't ever try to know and just ben shapiro everything. I am satisfied knowing this, making the world simple.

They are perceived as more hostile because they prove it, time and time again. They are responsible for the largest share of violent crime in America, despite only being 13 percent of the population. The vast majority of black people complaining about cops are criminals.

Do you even know what 'perceived' bias means? It means something LOOKS LIKE bias, with no actual proof of bias.
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Patchwork posted...

Kineth posted...

Patchwork posted...

I'm not getting on you. That's a failure on your departments behalf to not identify that vehicle via BOLO or by running the plate.

But a headlight is an easy violation for a stop and has nothing to do with your race.

Oh, I'm aware of all of this. Hell, the cop who stopped me that time explicitly said the part about the easy violation before letting me go with a warning.

I can't tell you the amount of times I've pulled drugs out of cars I stopped for light violations.

And according to Kineth, if they are black, that's racist.
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darkjedilink posted...

Patchwork posted...

Kineth posted...

Patchwork posted...

I'm not getting on you. That's a failure on your departments behalf to not identify that vehicle via BOLO or by running the plate.

But a headlight is an easy violation for a stop and has nothing to do with your race.

Oh, I'm aware of all of this. Hell, the cop who stopped me that time explicitly said the part about the easy violation before letting me go with a warning.

I can't tell you the amount of times I've pulled drugs out of cars I stopped for light violations.

And according to Kineth, if they are black, that's racist.

I don't think that's what he was saying.
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Patchwork posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Patchwork posted...

Kineth posted...

Patchwork posted...

I'm not getting on you. That's a failure on your departments behalf to not identify that vehicle via BOLO or by running the plate.

But a headlight is an easy violation for a stop and has nothing to do with your race.

Oh, I'm aware of all of this. Hell, the cop who stopped me that time explicitly said the part about the easy violation before letting me go with a warning.

I can't tell you the amount of times I've pulled drugs out of cars I stopped for light violations.

And according to Kineth, if they are black, that's racist.

I don't think that's what he was saying.

It kinda was

He claimed he commited crimes and got caught twice while a white guy commited a crime and didn't get caught, therefore racism
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darkjedilink posted...

They are perceived as more hostile because they prove it, time and time again.

Even at your best, the vast minority of black people commit a disproportinate share of the crime. You are basing your judgment of many on the actions of a few. At your best, you are wrong, prejudiced, and acting out of fear because of "numbers". That is pathetic, and is no excuse for these actions.

They are responsible for the largest share of violent crime in America, despite only being 13 percent of the population. The vast majority of black people complaining about cops are criminals.

Fuck you. The vast majority of black people complaining about cops are community members annoyed about getting pulled over, stop and frisked, profiled and prejudged for actions they did not commit. Next time you want to imply "they" are criminals, go talk to them and actually have a conversation. Black people actually advocate for police protection in their community moreso than other communities because of the crime, and are disgusted by their law enforcement communities unlawful actions.

Do you even know what 'perceived' bias means? It means something LOOKS LIKE bias, with no actual proof of bias.

Do you even know what "perceived" bias is? It means that people are making incorrect judgements based on their perspectives and prior views, not in accordance to what they are actually seeing. Their view is tainted and they can't see reality.

It's hard to take that seriously when the evidence and research does not agree with you and the arguments in this topic by angry people are "When I commited crimes I got caught but a white guy I know didn't"

Basically you're arguing "Take my word but also disregard all facts and every single other persons word" that's an awful way to argue
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

BuzzyTheCat posted...

CiIantro posted...

How do you explain the fact that black people are disproportionately arrested?

How do you explain that black people are disproportionately responsible for all crime?

They aren't responsible for more crime, they're just caught and convicted more.

Tons of black people in jail for smoking pot, because cops frequent black neighbourhoods. Meanwhile, I can smoke pot every day outside and never see a single cop car and thus not get arrested.

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Cops arrest more black people, crime rates show that black people are "responsible for more crime", cops use this as an excuse to continue canvassing black neighbourhoods and finding more people to arrest. Meanwhile all us white people can keep doing the same things they do and not getting arrested for it.

Source: https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/jmb5g8/black-people-are-more-likely-to-be-arrested-for-marijuana-possession-than-white-people-twir

It seems some people here missed my post. Stop fraudulently claiming that black people COMMIT more crime. That is false. They commit crime at similar levels to white people, they're merely caught and jailed for it more often.

god, the white guilt in this thread is strong. Pure cringe.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

It seems some people here missed my post. Stop fraudulently claiming that black people COMMIT more crime. That is false. They commit crime at similar levels to white people, they're merely caught and jailed for it more often.

Stop.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43

When it comes to violent crime, it isn't even close.
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ITT: complete disregard for facts and statistics because muh oppression
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

BuzzyTheCat posted...

CiIantro posted...

How do you explain the fact that black people are disproportionately arrested?

How do you explain that black people are disproportionately responsible for all crime?

They aren't responsible for more crime, they're just caught and convicted more.

Tons of black people in jail for smoking pot, because cops frequent black neighbourhoods. Meanwhile, I can smoke pot every day outside and never see a single cop car and thus not get arrested.

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Cops arrest more black people, crime rates show that black people are "responsible for more crime", cops use this as an excuse to continue canvassing black neighbourhoods and finding more people to arrest. Meanwhile all us white people can keep doing the same things they do and not getting arrested for it.

Source: https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/jmb5g8/black-people-are-more-likely-to-be-arrested-for-marijuana-possession-than-white-people-twir

It seems some people here missed my post. Stop fraudulently claiming that black people COMMIT more crime. That is false. They commit crime at similar levels to white people, they're merely caught and jailed for it more often.

lol at this guy. So Black people are only 12% of the population an yet they commit crimes nearly on the same level as white people who only make up 76% of the population? That is bad alone and shows how rampant crime is. How come other minorities don't crime that much?

Plus its been proven Blacks commit more crimes anyways
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VectorChaos posted...

ITT: complete disregard for facts and statistics

pruddy much
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GOATTHlEF posted...

i've had numerous conversations with black Americans online about it and yes, many of them do feel they get targeted by police. For example every white person I know gets stopped maybe once every three years of driving.
I've heard it averages about once every month or so for black people in America. That's insane manaphy.

Yes, your anecdotal experiences with people online is surely the definitive record of racism.
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Black people do have disproportionate contact with the police, since police patrols are more aggressive in urban areas and black folks make up a larger % of urban pops.
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Holy fuck this place is way worse than I thought.
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Patchwork posted...

Black people do have disproportionate contact with the police, since police patrols are more aggressive in urban areas and black folks make up a larger % of urban pops.

Because urban areas have more crime, and significantly more violent crime, than rural areas.
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GOATTHlEF posted...

i've had numerous conversations with black Americans online about it and yes, many of them do feel they get targeted by police. For example every white person I know gets stopped maybe once every three years of driving.
I've heard it averages about once every month or so for black people in America. That's insane manaphy.

I get stopped once a month, easy. I was stopped three times in one day.
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Not unfairly, nope. Police go where the crime is and their job is to enforce the law.
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darkjedilink posted...

GOATTHlEF posted...

i've had numerous conversations with black Americans online about it and yes, many of them do feel they get targeted by police. For example every white person I know gets stopped maybe once every three years of driving.
I've heard it averages about once every month or so for black people in America. That's insane manaphy.

I get stopped once a month, easy. I was stopped three times in one day.

Maybe you should stop doing whatever you're doing then? Seems like a simple fix. Lol at this topic bringing all the best and brightest of CE out from their dank, dirty dungeons. Class acts as usual.

@Kineth, I get your point, but you said you were pulled over twice on the same streets for the same reason. That means you made the mistake of continuing to drive with the same issue after you were warned. If it were really a racial issue I'd think they'd ticket you the first time. While it is crappy your friend was able to avoid detection for so long as he broke the law, I'm not sure you've proven it is due to his race. People of all races are out there, successfully, avoiding police right now. They can't nab everyone. It's a numbers game.

That said, of course black people are more likely to be noticed by police. This is one of the most obvious things to anyone not blatantly wearing blinders. It's crappy and it's been this way forever.
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CensorErik posted...

darkjedilink posted...

GOATTHlEF posted...

i've had numerous conversations with black Americans online about it and yes, many of them do feel they get targeted by police. For example every white person I know gets stopped maybe once every three years of driving.
I've heard it averages about once every month or so for black people in America. That's insane manaphy.

I get stopped once a month, easy. I was stopped three times in one day.

Maybe you should stop doing whatever you're doing then? Seems like a simple fix. Lol at this topic bringing all the best and brightest of CE out from their dank, dirty dungeons. Class acts as usual.

@Kineth, I get your point, but you said you were pulled over twice on the same streets for the same reason. That means you made the mistake of continuing to drive with the same issue after you were warned. If it were really a racial issue I'd think they'd ticket you the first time. While it is crappy your friend was able to avoid detection for so long as he broke the law, I'm not sure you've proven it is due to his race. People of all races are out there, successfully, avoiding police right now. They can't nab everyone. It's a numbers game.

That said, of course black people are more likely to be noticed by police. This is one of the most obvious things to anyone not blatantly wearing blinders. It's crappy and it's been this way forever.

So, if a black person is pulled over, it's racism, but it's legit if the driver is white?
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If anything, black people are given much more leeway by the police. The police now get accused of racism for basically any interaction with a black person, so they have have to be extremely careful (lest BLM or Antifa riot and cause a ton of casualties and property damage) which unfortunately results in overlooking a lot of crimes.
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darkjedilink posted...

CensorErik posted...

darkjedilink posted...

GOATTHlEF posted...

i've had numerous conversations with black Americans online about it and yes, many of them do feel they get targeted by police. For example every white person I know gets stopped maybe once every three years of driving.
I've heard it averages about once every month or so for black people in America. That's insane manaphy.

I get stopped once a month, easy. I was stopped three times in one day.

Maybe you should stop doing whatever you're doing then? Seems like a simple fix. Lol at this topic bringing all the best and brightest of CE out from their dank, dirty dungeons. Class acts as usual.

@Kineth, I get your point, but you said you were pulled over twice on the same streets for the same reason. That means you made the mistake of continuing to drive with the same issue after you were warned. If it were really a racial issue I'd think they'd ticket you the first time. While it is crappy your friend was able to avoid detection for so long as he broke the law, I'm not sure you've proven it is due to his race. People of all races are out there, successfully, avoiding police right now. They can't nab everyone. It's a numbers game.

That said, of course black people are more likely to be noticed by police. This is one of the most obvious things to anyone not blatantly wearing blinders. It's crappy and it's been this way forever.

So, if a black person is pulled over, it's racism, but it's legit if the driver is white?

Where did I say that? I pointed out you getting pulled over that often is your fault. I never said black people getting pulled over is racist anywhere. I said black people are noticed by police more. That's it. Calm down, sir.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

If anything, black people are given much more leeway by the police. The police now get accused of racism for basically any interaction with a black person, so they have have to be extremely careful (lest BLM or Antifa riot and cause a ton of casualties and property damage) which unfortunately results in overlooking a lot of crimes.

Hahahahah!

GTFO with this nonsense.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

If anything, black people are given much more leeway by the police. The police now get accused of racism for basically any interaction with a black person, so they have have to be extremely careful (lest BLM or Antifa riot and cause a ton of casualties and property damage) which unfortunately results in overlooking a lot of crimes.

American made no-go zones might be on the horizon.
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