Current Events > Does Odyssey get better?

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My friend let me play up to completing the 'kingdom' with the dinosaur in it, but it didn't particularly blow my mind.

Personally I wasn't hit with that feeling of awe that I got way back when I played Galaxy. That game had so much cool gravity and perspective stuff.
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nostalgia is a powerful drug
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no

it is a mediocre game at best
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shut the fuck up tc and get a job hahahahahah lmfao

cocaine's a hell of a drug, tc
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metralo posted...

nostalgia is a powerful drug

Galaxy was my first console game and I was like 7 or 8 so yeah nostalgia certainly factors in. But even so I seriously love the mechanics and designs of that game. They pretty much did whatever they want. Cookie galaxies, or riding a manta across huge tracks of suspended water, I still remember a ton of the game.

Also, I was absolutely wowed by BotW despite having familiarity with the older Zelda games, but Odyssey didn't feel like as big of a jump. The cappy possession didn't feel that different from normal power-ups. Dino = Mega Mario, Frog = frog suit...
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Doe posted...

metralo posted...

nostalgia is a powerful drug

Galaxy was my first console game and I was like 7 or 8 so yeah nostalgia certainly factors in. But even so I seriously love the mechanics and designs of that game. They pretty much did whatever they want. Cookie galaxies, or riding a manta across huge tracks of suspended water, I still remember a ton of the game.

Also, I was absolutely wowed by BotW despite having familiarity with the older Zelda games, but Odyssey didn't feel like as big of a jump. The cappy possession didn't feel that different from normal power-ups. Dino = Mega Mario, Frog = frog suit...

arent you like 9 now?

SMO is the only good 3D Mario. 64 was amazing for its time but has aged like old lady farts. Sunshine and the Galaxy games were always bad. The only real drawbacks to SMO are the camera being about as shitty as it was in 64, and Luncheon Kingdom being garbage.
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I mean, probably? I haven't played it yet but it looks like a decent enough game. Not this spectacular, GOTY BS people are trying to feed you but decent.
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Before release: "This is the BEST game ever! 97 metacritic, over 200 hours of gameplay!"

3 weeks after release: "Yo fuck man this is just another boring generic mario game!"
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I think it does yeah. But it's still overall a 3D platformer so your mileage may vary.
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Yes. About the time that you hit the Metro Kingdom
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Sand Kingdom and Metro Kingdom really up the ante IMO
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Probably not
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The post game is far better and longer than the main game, after 600 moons this might be my favorite 3D Mario yet.
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I wasn't really impressed at first either, but it grew on me as I played more. They really hammer you with nostalgia perfection a few times later.
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Doe posted...

My friend let me play up to completing the 'kingdom' with the dinosaur in it, but it didn't particularly blow my mind.

So you basically play the tutorial, not actually the game proper and you stupidly ask it it gets better...
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dave_is_slick posted...

So you basically play the tutorial, not actually the game proper and you stupidly ask it it gets better...

Mad?
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Doe posted...

metralo posted...

nostalgia is a powerful drug

Galaxy was my first console game and I was like 7 or 8 so yeah nostalgia certainly factors in. But even so I seriously love the mechanics and designs of that game. They pretty much did whatever they want. Cookie galaxies, or riding a manta across huge tracks of suspended water, I still remember a ton of the game.

Also, I was absolutely wowed by BotW despite having familiarity with the older Zelda games, but Odyssey didn't feel like as big of a jump. The cappy possession didn't feel that different from normal power-ups. Dino = Mega Mario, Frog = frog suit...

Damn, son.
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Doe posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

So you basically play the tutorial, not actually the game proper and you stupidly ask it it gets better...

Mad?

Dumbfounded. Are people that fucking impatient nowadays?
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You literally only played through the tutorial areas. Yes the game gets much much better later on.
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Doe posted...

My friend let me play up to completing the 'kingdom' with the dinosaur in it, but it didn't particularly blow my mind.

Yes, the game gets better after the tutorial.
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some guy I know who played through it pretty soon after release:

from peoples' impressions and from my small amount of experience with the game it seems like something that relies a lot on spectacle and wow factor. If these don't do much for you, you may not enjoy it that much
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kirbymuncher posted...

from peoples' impressions and from my small amount of experience with the game it seems like something that relies a lot on spectacle and wow factor.

Besides the fact that that's literally almost everything, no it doesn't.
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kirbymuncher posted...

some guy I know who played through it pretty soon after release:

from peoples' impressions and from my small amount of experience with the game it seems like something that relies a lot on spectacle and wow factor. If these don't do much for you, you may not enjoy it that much

I remember this room, there's at least one hidden moon he missed
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Turtlemayor333 posted...

I remember this room, there's at least one hidden moon he missed

I looked all over and couldn't find that one. I know there's a secret moon in all of those side levels.
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dave_is_slick posted...

kirbymuncher posted...

from peoples' impressions and from my small amount of experience with the game it seems like something that relies a lot on spectacle and wow factor.

Besides the fact that that's literally almost everything, no it doesn't.

I sort of feel like it does.

Take the t-rex for example. That was clearly a big selling point of the game, it was used in promo material and stuff, they put it in the first area to really show off, etc. When you go to take control of it, I feel like there's 2 very distinct ways it can go:

1) WOW I'm controlling a giant t-rex this is so cool
2) This thing controls awkwardly and doesn't have much meaningful gameplay

I'm not saying there's anything particularly wrong with being in either category, but some people are just not the kind of people who will fall into the first category, and with that wow factor gone there isn't that much left there for them.
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I really like it but it's just missing that Galaxy feel. Idk why, but Galaxy felt magical. 1 way more than 2 obviously. Like 64 and Sunshine didn't invoke that feel either.

Guess that whole menu jingle is a bad tease to the Galaxy theme and I guess the Wiimote ironically felt way better.
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kirbymuncher posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

kirbymuncher posted...

from peoples' impressions and from my small amount of experience with the game it seems like something that relies a lot on spectacle and wow factor.

Besides the fact that that's literally almost everything, no it doesn't.

I sort of feel like it does.

Take the t-rex for example. That was clearly a big selling point of the game, it was used in promo material and stuff, they put it in the first area to really show off, etc. When you go to take control of it, I feel like there's 2 very distinct ways it can go:

1) WOW I'm controlling a giant t-rex this is so cool
2) This thing controls awkwardly and doesn't have much meaningful gameplay

I'm not saying there's anything particularly wrong with being in either category, but some people are just not the kind of people who will fall into the first category, and with that wow factor gone there isn't that much left there for them.

If it doesn't impress you it's done with after a minute or two. The game doesn't really outstay its welcome for any of these moments. The point of that moment is to give the player a power trip and to set-up the stage that you'll be able to capture all sorts of things during the game. Which I think it does rather well even if you don't particularly like controlling the t-rex.
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Doe posted...

Galaxy was my first console game and I was like 7 or 8

Holy shit man, I was 7 when Mario64 came out. o_O
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I thought the first few hours were pretty boring, honestly. But the more I played, the more I enjoyed it.

That first level and the cold desert were really boring for me tbqh
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kirbymuncher posted...

some guy I know who played through it pretty soon after release:

from peoples' impressions and from my small amount of experience with the game it seems like something that relies a lot on spectacle and wow factor. If these don't do much for you, you may not enjoy it that much

Asking "What's the point of all this" could be applied to literally any video game on the planet. What a fucking pointless criticism.

If you want to boil the game down to its most basic form, it's just a giant sandbox you explore for macguffins. If you don't find exploring and traversing game worlds like that enjoyable, then why play a Mario game in the first place lol.
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ForestLogic posted...

Asking "What's the point of all this" could be applied to literally any video game on the planet. What a fucking pointless criticism.

I don't think it's necessarily a criticism, it's a statement.

What's the point of all this? To deliver a compelling, interesting story (RPGs)
What's the point of all this? To mechanically challenge the player and force them to improve their skill (platformers?, among others)
What's the point of all this? To have two players compete head to head to outplay each other (fighting games)

What's the point of all this? To have the player control a tank.

If anything is criticism here, it's not asking what's the point, but rather the point he came up with. And it's only criticism if you think that's inherently less meaningful than other potential points it could have
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dave_is_slick posted...

Doe posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

So you basically play the tutorial, not actually the game proper and you stupidly ask it it gets better...

Mad?

Dumbfounded. Are people that fucking impatient nowadays?

Lmao what?

I only got to play that part and wasn't sure if I'd get to touch any more of the game from him so I made a topic about it. Dunno why you're in such a knot rn tbh

I did get to play some more, and I've realized that the Dino area doesn't seem indicative of the rest of the game. They put some kinda challenging (imo at least, I am awful at platformers despite enjoying them) platforming right past the houses in the sand world and I really enjoyed it

However now my main concern is enjoyment of the console itself. It emphasizes motion controls for games like Odyssey so I don't want to play with joysticks attached but that means I can't grip the console. And THAT means I have to prop it up on a flat surface since the stand sucks. I don't own a TV in my dorm and apparently it's impossible to get HDMI input into laptops according to my research
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Doe posted...

However now my main concern is enjoyment of the console itself. It emphasizes motion controls for games like Odyssey so I don't want to play with joysticks attached but that means I can't grip the console. And THAT means I have to prop it up on a flat surface since the stand sucks. I don't own a TV in my dorm and apparently it's impossible to get HDMI input into laptops according to my research

Motion controls are completely optional.
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How do you do all that stuff like the roundabout cappy throw or vertical throw, etc
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Doe posted...

How do you do all that stuff like the roundabout cappy throw or vertical throw, etc

- Spin around with the L stick until Mario spins and then throw Cappy
- I believe you can do a downward throw by throwing Cappy immediately after a buttstomp but I've never bothered

You don't have to use either of these moves throughout the game.
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Doe posted...

apparently it's impossible to get HDMI input into laptops according to my research

Correct, the HDMI port on laptops is solely for output.
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Yes, especially since some of the later levels are larger and have more interesting challenges. That early kingdom with the dinosaur is pretty short and boringly easy and straightforward imo. Plus the game is more fun once you learn some of the more advanced stuff.

Doe posted...

Galaxy was my first console game and I was like 7 or 8

Jesus Christ
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kirbymuncher posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

kirbymuncher posted...

from peoples' impressions and from my small amount of experience with the game it seems like something that relies a lot on spectacle and wow factor.

Besides the fact that that's literally almost everything, no it doesn't.

I sort of feel like it does.

Take the t-rex for example. That was clearly a big selling point of the game, it was used in promo material and stuff, they put it in the first area to really show off, etc. When you go to take control of it, I feel like there's 2 very distinct ways it can go:

1) WOW I'm controlling a giant t-rex this is so cool
2) This thing controls awkwardly and doesn't have much meaningful gameplay

I'm not saying there's anything particularly wrong with being in either category, but some people are just not the kind of people who will fall into the first category, and with that wow factor gone there isn't that much left there for them.

And that shows it relies on spectacle how, again?
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because beyond the spectacle of "wow I can control X thing" a lot of them are just not fun to play as at all
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The game picks up considerably at Wooded Kingdom. Also you'll never get that music out of your head.

kirbymuncher posted...

because beyond the spectacle of "wow I can control X thing" a lot of them are just not fun to play as at all

That's incredibly subjective, especially considering most people agree the best part of the gameplay is being able to switch back and forth between multiple different transformations to accomplish a given task.
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Yes, it starts picking up after that kingdom.

I'm not trolling either, I thought the game got off to a slow start until after the Cascade Kingdom.
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CapnMuffin posted...

Sand Kingdom and Metro Kingdom really up the ante IMO

Metro Kingdom especially. Feels like they spent a lot of their time making that kingdom since it has so many secrets.
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