Current Events > Schumer criticizes Trump for not passing the Patriot Act and war in Afghanistan

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https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/925729532295942144

Stop whitewashing George W. Bush
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The fuck world am I living in now where we are praising GW Bush for his actions after 9/11?
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democrats liked both those things
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fuck the patriot act
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Balrog0 posted...

democrats liked both those things

yes, they did
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If you needed more proof that politicians don't stand for shit, here you go.
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That's what happens when your leadership is based on seniority, your leaders are all senile.
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Stop whitewashing George W. Bush

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https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2001/s313

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2001/s281

schumer voted for both of those things, what are you thinking he is white washing?
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Antifar posted...

Balrog0 posted...

democrats liked both those things

yes, they did

so why are you acting like this is something notable?

you might as well ask why George W Bush would want to whitewash himself. It's silly.
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Balrog0 posted...

so why are you acting like this is something notable?

Because in the 16 years since, I think most Democrats have come to recognize the war on terror and the buildup of the national security state as bad things.

Furthermore, Schumer here isn't actually referencing those things; he's hoping that people have forgotten that's how Bush and the country actually responded to 9/11, in favor of a sanitized "post-9/11 coming together."
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Bullet_Wing posted...

Tropicalwood posted...

That's what happens when your leadership is based on seniority, your leaders are all senile.

Funny you say this yet support Trump, lmao

Came to post this
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Antifar posted...

Because in the 16 years since, I think most Democrats have come to recognize the war on terror and the buildup of the national security state as bad things.

not their elected officials, though, for the most part

Antifar posted...

Furthermore, Schumer here isn't actually referencing those things; he's hoping that people have forgotten that's how Bush and the country actually responded to 9/11, in favor of a sanitized "post-9/11 coming together."

I think it's more of a respectability politics thing, as described in this article: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/04/how-liberals-fell-in-love-with-the-west-wing

The lack of any serious attempts to change anything reflect a certain apolitical tendency in this type of politics, one that defines itself by its manner and attitude rather than a vision of the change it wishes to see in the world. Insofar as there is an identifiable ideology, it isnt one definitively wedded to a particular program of reform, but instead to a particular aesthetic of political institutions. The business of leveraging democracy for any specific purpose comes second to how its institutional liturgy and processes look and, more importantly, how they make us feelvirtue being attached more to posture and affect than to any particular goal. Echoing Sorkins 1995 film The American President (in many ways the progenitor of The West Wing) it delights in invoking seriousness and the supposedly hard-headed pragmatism of grownups.

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Antifar posted...

Balrog0 posted...

democrats liked both those things

yes, they did

No they did not.
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Liberals love GWB now.

I love it.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

No they did not.

the vote tallies are above you itt and show an enormous amount of bipartisanship
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Caution998 posted...

Liberals love GWB now.

I love it.

No they dont
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Antifar posted...

Balrog0 posted...

democrats liked both those things

yes, they did

No they did not.

Elected Democrats did, at least.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

No they did not.

Democratic elected officials absolutely did
The AUMF had a single no vote in Congress
The Patriot act was supported by more than 70% of house Democrats, before passing the Senate 98-1
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Balrog0 posted...

democrats liked both those things

We need to stop blaming parties and blame our government as a whole. Neither side is worth anything at this point.
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Caution998 posted...

Liberals love GWB now.

it does bother me that people have seemingly turned around on him. like, give him props for what he did with africa sure, but don't pretend like he wasn't a shitty president who at best just sat by as cheney and co. did what they wanted
trump hasn't done anything near as bad as bush, it's just that he's a dick while bush seems like he'd be nice in person
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it sounds more like he's talking about the immediate response, not the war and act....Trump immediately came out and blamed Obama and the Democrats. Bush actually came out and defended certain people while trying to bring everyone together.

Again I don't think he's talking about Bush's entire career after the event...just the few hours at the start of the next morning.
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prince_leo posted...

trump hasn't done anything near as bad as bush, it's just that he's a dick while bush seems like he'd be nice in person

This gets to that respectability bit Balrog posted. At the end of the day, I think some Democrats (and definitely the Flakes and McCains of the world) are most upset that Trump tweets dumb shit, and not principled policy-based opposition.
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Bullet_Wing posted...

Tropicalwood posted...

That's what happens when your leadership is based on seniority, your leaders are all senile.

Funny you say this yet support Trump, lmao

Funny, I don't see Trump calling for the Patriot Act and referring to Trump as President Bush while stuttering a thousand times.

But I guess being senile is just part of being a democrat.
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Tropicalwood posted...

Bullet_Wing posted...

Tropicalwood posted...

That's what happens when your leadership is based on seniority, your leaders are all senile.

Funny you say this yet support Trump, lmao

Funny, I don't see Trump calling for the Patriot Act and referring to Trump as President Bush while stuttering a thousand times.

But I guess being senile is just part of being a democrat.

Nah, Trump just believes stupid shit like that excercise kills you quickly, and that a see through wall is a good idea "so people aren't hit in the head by drugs being thrown over"

I'm sorry, maybe Trump isn't senile at all. He's just dumb as all fuck lolol
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Bullet_Wing posted...

I'm not saying they aren't senile as well, but do you REALLY want to play the "so and so said stupid things" game when your champion is Trump?

But he isn't showing signs of being senile.
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Tropicalwood posted...

Bullet_Wing posted...

I'm not saying they aren't senile as well, but do you REALLY want to play the "so and so said stupid things" game when your champion is Trump?

But he isn't showing signs of being senile.

False
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Antifar posted...

Balrog0 posted...

so why are you acting like this is something notable?

Because in the 16 years since, I think most Democrats have come to recognize the war on terror and the buildup of the national security state as bad things.

Furthermore, Schumer here isn't actually referencing those things; he's hoping that people have forgotten that's how Bush and the country actually responded to 9/11, in favor of a sanitized "post-9/11 coming together."

That's why they kept expanding it, right?
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Bullet_Wing posted...

Tropicalwood posted...

Bullet_Wing posted...

I'm not saying they aren't senile as well, but do you REALLY want to play the "so and so said stupid things" game when your champion is Trump?

But he isn't showing signs of being senile.

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How can you attempt to make the "leadership is old and senile" argument and not realize how badly you're protecting?
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He has a point though. GWB made the wrong decisions, but he at least acted like a leader post-9/11. DJT is making the wrong decisions AND not acting like a leader.

You can say he's senile all you want, doesn't mean viable evidence is out there. Democrats on the other hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcpIQI3Q94E
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blakbird13 posted...

We need to stop blaming parties and blame our government as a whole. Neither side is worth anything at this point.

"Same shit, both sides" is not an argument that holds up under scrutiny. Yes both sides are shit, but one is very clearly far and away worse.
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BLAKUboy posted...

blakbird13 posted...

We need to stop blaming parties and blame our government as a whole. Neither side is worth anything at this point.

"Same shit, both sides" is not an argument that holds up under scrutiny. Yes both sides are shit, but one is very clearly far and away worse.

You're right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Schumer
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Schumer is the worst kind of Democrat. He's as pro establishment as it gets.
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I actually don't think I've ever been able to read that nuclear quote the whole way through. It's just painful.
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blakbird13 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

democrats liked both those things

We need to stop blaming parties and blame our government as a whole. Neither side is worth anything at this point.

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SavenForever posted...

blakbird13 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

democrats liked both those things

We need to stop blaming parties and blame our government as a whole. Neither side is worth anything at this point.

government isn't to blame. Congress has something like 13% approval and over 90% re-election rate of incumbents.

The only way that happens is if people go to the polls and just vote straight Rs or straight Ds without knowing anything about the person.

best solution would be to ban putting political parties on gen election tickets.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

government isn't to blame. Congress has something like 13% approval and over 90% re-election rate of incumbents.

The only way that happens is if people go to the polls and just vote straight Rs or straight Ds without knowing anything about the person.

Most people don't mind their current congressman; it's congress as a whole they can't stand. I don't think this is reflective blind partisan voting.
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Antifar posted...

Stop whitewashing George W. Bush

George "Whitewashed legacy" Bush
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Bullet_Wing posted...

they havent figured that the women are smarter right now than the men

Trump praising women though
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Antifar posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

No they did not.

Democratic elected officials absolutely did
The AUMF had a single no vote in Congress
The Patriot act was supported by more than 70% of house Democrats, before passing the Senate 98-1

These were reactionary measures to 9/11

If you tried to pass it today, you'd have a lot of blowback.

Obama got tons of shit from his own party when he expanded the Patriot Act.

You can't really count what people approve of while they're being bombed and looking at billions of dollars worth of rubble and thousands of dead family/friends as a general ideology.

Like, if you're literally starving to death, you'd probably eat all kinds of shit you think is disgusting, and you'd probably even say it tastes great.
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I heard that we didn't want to do a Congressional Declaration of War against Al Qaeda etc. because it would give them some kind of legitimacy and protections under international law if we did. I think that's dumb, we should have just done it anyways and just held up the finger to anyone who complained.

Instead, we used this AUMF that has been used to go after jihadists everywhere from Mauritania to the Philippines.

And we also used an AUMF against Iraq even though we actually were fighting against a nation state in that case where the argument about not using the Congressional Declaration of War doesn't even make sense.

So yeah, we need to go back to those.
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We white wash the idiot because as bad as he was he is still better than Trump
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Caution998 posted...

Liberals love GWB now.

I love it.

Trump REALLY lowered the bar...
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