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CapnMuffin
10/24/17 5:39:56 PM
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Its either

- anthropic principle
- god
- absurdly lucky RNG universe roll
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Eevee-Trainer
10/24/17 5:41:11 PM
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Ammonitida posted...
More evidence that this universe is a computer simulation.

Counterpoint: This is more evidence that our understanding of physics is flawed or lacking on some important, arguably even fundamental, level, and that there's still more to be discovered.
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WindMouseHanpan
10/24/17 5:41:49 PM
#54:


Eevee-Trainer posted...
Ammonitida posted...
More evidence that this universe is a computer simulation.

Counterpoint: This is more evidence that our understanding of physics is flawed or lacking on some important, arguably even fundamental, level, and that there's still more to be discovered.


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l33t_iRk3n_Rm33
10/24/17 5:42:07 PM
#55:


CapnMuffin posted...
Its either

- anthropic principle
- god
- absurdly lucky RNG universe roll

Third one probably. People love to point out the absurdity that people think such an unlikely set of coincidences could occur, but like, they had all of eternity to do so.
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hollow_shrine
10/24/17 5:48:14 PM
#56:


l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...
CapnMuffin posted...
Its either

- anthropic principle
- god
- absurdly lucky RNG universe roll

Third one probably. People love to point out the absurdity that people think such an unlikely set of coincidences could occur, but like, they had all of eternity to do so.

And astronomically unlikely things happen literally all the time.
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DoctorPiranha3
10/24/17 5:49:54 PM
#57:


The universe can only be perceived because we, as a conglomerate of atoms, have assembled instruments to sense it (eyes, ears, touch, smell, etc.) Without these, there is no universe, there is no nothing.

I think the universe is so damn peculiar and surreal, "it" manifested into what we call life just to play around with itself in a limited way. Because some action on a tiny spec of space is better than nothing.

Or it could be eternal, there could be infinite universes, we'll never know what's really going on. We're just ants in an ant farn.
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Panthera
10/24/17 5:50:49 PM
#58:


Of course it shouldn't. The universe is just an ideology big business created to trick people into accepting wage slavery. Down with the universe.
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Questionmarktarius
10/25/17 10:07:38 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryogenesis
Whatever process initially created three-quark baryons doesn't really need matter/antimatter symmetry. Charge (and color) is conserved with just regular matter.
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Notti
10/27/17 6:04:25 AM
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DoctorPiranha3 posted...
The universe can only be perceived because we, as a conglomerate of atoms, have assembled instruments to sense it (eyes, ears, touch, smell, etc.) Without these, there is no universe, there is no nothing.


4 billion years of life 'perceiving'.

What about the other 10 billion years before?
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ThePrinceFish
11/02/17 2:21:32 AM
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Thanks Jesus.
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Ammonitida
11/02/17 8:55:41 AM
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DoctorPiranha3 posted...
The universe can only be perceived because we, as a conglomerate of atoms, have assembled instruments to sense it (eyes, ears, touch, smell, etc.) Without these, there is no universe, there is no nothing.


The computer in which are Universe is generated is not powerful enough to render all the data in the Universe to its highest level of detail. This computer conserves processing power by only rendering the data to this level when there are conscious observers to view it. Much like a videogame today, where the majority of the game exists as binary code with only a small portion of that being rendered to the HDTV. This explains why atom behave differently when measured by a conscious being.
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Hey
11/02/17 9:06:05 AM
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Ammonitida posted...
DoctorPiranha3 posted...
The universe can only be perceived because we, as a conglomerate of atoms, have assembled instruments to sense it (eyes, ears, touch, smell, etc.) Without these, there is no universe, there is no nothing.


The computer in which are Universe is generated is not powerful enough to render all the data in the Universe to its highest level of detail. This computer conserves processing power by only rendering the data to this level when there are conscious observers to view it. Much like a videogame today, where the majority of the game exists as binary code with only a small portion of that being rendered to the HDTV. This explains why atom behave differently when measured by a conscious being.

People who believe shit like that are just so stupid
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untrustful
11/02/17 9:09:52 AM
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So the scientists are confused because they think when the universe came into existence, there were was anti-matter and matter, so they should've destroyed each other and therefore the universe. They don't have evidence or theories to explain why it didn't happen.

They guess some kind of asymmetry exists between anti-matter and regular matter, but they haven't found it.
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Ammonitida
11/02/17 9:15:16 AM
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Hey posted...
Ammonitida posted...
DoctorPiranha3 posted...
The universe can only be perceived because we, as a conglomerate of atoms, have assembled instruments to sense it (eyes, ears, touch, smell, etc.) Without these, there is no universe, there is no nothing.


The computer in which are Universe is generated is not powerful enough to render all the data in the Universe to its highest level of detail. This computer conserves processing power by only rendering the data to this level when there are conscious observers to view it. Much like a videogame today, where the majority of the game exists as binary code with only a small portion of that being rendered to the HDTV. This explains why atom behave differently when measured by a conscious being.

People who believe shit like that are just so stupid


I take it you chose the blue pill.
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darkjedilink
11/02/17 9:20:02 AM
#69:


WindMouseHanpan posted...
"We don't fully understand how the universe works, therefore we have come to the conclusion that it should not exist"

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Kineth
11/02/17 9:32:52 AM
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JE19426 posted...
FrozenXylophone posted...
why would the universe have destroyed itself?


Until the current theory, at the start the universe there was a 1:1 ratio of matter:anti-matter. When matter and anti-matter comes into contact they convert each other to pure energy so no matter exists.


Interesting. Seems like it would stand to reason that matter and anti matter wouldn't have formed immediately from the energy explosion so that there would be enough time and distance for them to not be in close trajectories or proximities.

Then again, there's also the possibility that we just underestimated the amount of energy that was present in the big bang and that this theory is valid. There's also the possibility that we just don't fully understand matter/anti-matter interactions.
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CircleOfManias
11/02/17 9:34:12 AM
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JE19426 posted...
WindMouseHanpan posted...
No one, just making it more obvious how ridiculous their claim is.

Saying the universe should not exist, when you don't even fully understand everything about the universe to begin with, is silly. It's like saying "plants should not exist" just because we've never observed them eating something to stay alive (carnivorous plants aside), before we learned that they absorb nutrients from the ground and make energy through photosynthesis. We don't fully understand everything about dark matter, the universe, etc, so it's quite a leap to say it "shouldn't exist" when we don't actually know everything about what makes it tick to begin with. There is some element or property out there, probably many, that we have yet to discover, which would shed more light on things.


So what your saying is that you never read the scientists statement.


The media does this shit all the time. Oversimplifying a statement and taking it out of context to make it sound outrageous for clicks. The thing that was actually found is that the reason for the universe's existence is not related to some fundamental difference in the absolute values of the charges of particles and antiparticles.
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DawkinsNumber4
11/02/17 9:40:12 AM
#72:


Hey posted...
Ammonitida posted...
DoctorPiranha3 posted...
The universe can only be perceived because we, as a conglomerate of atoms, have assembled instruments to sense it (eyes, ears, touch, smell, etc.) Without these, there is no universe, there is no nothing.


The computer in which are Universe is generated is not powerful enough to render all the data in the Universe to its highest level of detail. This computer conserves processing power by only rendering the data to this level when there are conscious observers to view it. Much like a videogame today, where the majority of the game exists as binary code with only a small portion of that being rendered to the HDTV. This explains why atom behave differently when measured by a conscious being.

People who believe shit like that are just so stupid


Not like it makes sense or anything. https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/OcclusionCulling.html "Occlusion Culling is a feature that disables rendering of objects when they are not currently seen by the camera because they are obscured (occluded) by other objects. This does not happen automatically in 3D computer graphics since most of the time objects farthest away from the camera are drawn first and closer objects are drawn over the top of them (this is called overdraw). Occlusion Culling is different from Frustum Culling. Frustum Culling only disables the renderers for objects that are outside the cameras viewing area but does not disable anything hidden from view by overdraw. Note that when you use Occlusion Culling you will still benefit from Frustum Culling."
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Apocalyptic
11/02/17 9:42:29 AM
#73:


cjsdowg posted...
PikachuMaxwell posted...
It's all a dream?!?


I used to read Word Up! magazine


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DawkinsNumber4
11/02/17 9:43:42 AM
#74:


https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/32505/?

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I used a feature called Occlusion Culling, where i manually put occlusion planes in some spots of the interiors to improve performance.
What these occlusion planes do is unrender parts of the cell/objects/NPCs that are not being seen by the player, in most cases behind a wall or above/below floors (occluded).

Why make your hardware render things when they are not being seen, right?!

Occlusion Culling is an old technique used in lots of games including Skyrim, so dont worry about any damage to your hardware because what it does is the opposite:

If less things are being draw on-screen at the same time, it means your hardware is using less processing power to achieve the same thing, and it automatically converts in better performance."
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GiggetySplicer
11/03/17 10:04:12 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy
11/03/17 10:05:44 PM
#76:


Ammonitida posted...
More evidence that this universe is a computer simulation.


I find this far more plausible than religion origin stories, though a parallel can be drawn.
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Questionmarktarius
11/03/17 10:12:03 PM
#77:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Ammonitida posted...
More evidence that this universe is a computer simulation.


I find this far more plausible than religion origin stories, though a parallel can be drawn.

It's quite plausible that the universe itself is some sort of quantum computer. We're like, uh, Tron or something.
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DoctorPiranha3
11/03/17 10:13:14 PM
#78:


We're learning too much. The universe is going to have to take us out quickly!
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ImTheMacheteGuy
11/03/17 10:14:44 PM
#79:


Questionmarktarius posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Ammonitida posted...
More evidence that this universe is a computer simulation.


I find this far more plausible than religion origin stories, though a parallel can be drawn.

It's quite plausible that the universe itself is some sort of quantum computer. We're like, uh, Tron or something.


I'm not in "I believe it" territory quite yet, but definitely in "I wouldn't be surprised"
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Questionmarktarius
11/03/17 10:17:01 PM
#80:


DoctorPiranha3 posted...
We're learning too much. The universe is going to have to take us out quickly!

Somewhere, in a tiny corner of the universe, there's a small planet made mostly of iron and oxygen, orbiting an insignificant star in an small galaxy in a minor cluster. Some sort of extended chemical reaction there has become self-aware somehow.
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Ammonitida
11/04/17 8:35:40 AM
#81:


DawkinsNumber4 posted...
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/32505/?

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I used a feature called Occlusion Culling, where i manually put occlusion planes in some spots of the interiors to improve performance.
What these occlusion planes do is unrender parts of the cell/objects/NPCs that are not being seen by the player, in most cases behind a wall or above/below floors (occluded).

Why make your hardware render things when they are not being seen, right?!

Occlusion Culling is an old technique used in lots of games including Skyrim, so dont worry about any damage to your hardware because what it does is the opposite:

If less things are being draw on-screen at the same time, it means your hardware is using less processing power to achieve the same thing, and it automatically converts in better performance."


This could explain the results from the double-slit and quantum entanglement experiments (particularity the one where it was proven that quantum particles don't spin unless a conscious observer looks at it). The computer that generates our universe, while extremely powerful, still has its limitations, and these limitations are being masked by something similar to this "occlusion culling".

This guy explains it in more detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CyN8rYdX6g
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weapon_d00d816
11/04/17 8:43:08 AM
#82:


WindMouseHanpan posted...
"We don't fully understand how the universe works, therefore we have come to the conclusion that it should not exist"

It's not a conclusion. Why do you guys take everything so literally?
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CircleOfManias
11/04/17 11:18:41 AM
#83:


weapon_d00d816 posted...
WindMouseHanpan posted...
"We don't fully understand how the universe works, therefore we have come to the conclusion that it should not exist"

It's not a conclusion. Why do you guys take everything so literally?


I'm becoming more and more convinced that pop-sci reporting is intentionally misrepresenting these kinds of things to give fuel to the conservatives/anti-intellectuals that eat up the "crazy scientists" narrative.
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DawkinsNumber4
11/06/17 9:51:39 AM
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Ammonitida posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/32505/?

"
I used a feature called Occlusion Culling, where i manually put occlusion planes in some spots of the interiors to improve performance.
What these occlusion planes do is unrender parts of the cell/objects/NPCs that are not being seen by the player, in most cases behind a wall or above/below floors (occluded).

Why make your hardware render things when they are not being seen, right?!

Occlusion Culling is an old technique used in lots of games including Skyrim, so dont worry about any damage to your hardware because what it does is the opposite:

If less things are being draw on-screen at the same time, it means your hardware is using less processing power to achieve the same thing, and it automatically converts in better performance."


This could explain the results from the double-slit and quantum entanglement experiments (particularity the one where it was proven that quantum particles don't spin unless a conscious observer looks at it). The computer that generates our universe, while extremely powerful, still has its limitations, and these limitations are being masked by something similar to this "occlusion culling".

This guy explains it in more detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CyN8rYdX6g


Double slit can be explained with the pilot wave theory. This can also explain how the new Em drive accomplishes propulsion.

https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-have-a-weird-new-idea-about-how-the-impossible-em-drive-could-produce-thrust
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Renraku_San
11/06/17 10:40:52 AM
#86:


Apocalyptic posted...
cjsdowg posted...
PikachuMaxwell posted...
It's all a dream?!?


I used to read Word Up! magazine


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Ouned
11/06/17 10:49:28 AM
#87:


Maybe human perception of time is fucked up and everything is happening in a small instant before the universe destroys itself.

Anyway nothing should exist, something coming from nothing is weird and if there was always something that's also weird.
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Dragonblade01
11/06/17 10:54:40 AM
#88:


Maybe the ultimate thing to take away from this is that we're just a creature that's struggling to understand something massively beyond the scale we exist in.
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Polycosm
11/06/17 10:55:50 AM
#89:


Of course the universe should exist, given that we're around to observe it. Who knows how many other potential cosmoses fizzled out without ever being recorded?
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DawkinsNumber4
11/06/17 10:58:27 AM
#90:


If this is a simulation I wonder what the root non simulated universes are like.
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darkphoenix181
11/06/17 11:05:01 AM
#91:


Polycosm posted...
Of course the universe should exist, given that we're around to observe it. Who knows how many other potential cosmoses fizzled out without ever being recorded?


I think the idea is based on our understanding of physics and the mathematical model

the universe should not exist

in other words, the statement: "the universe should not exist" is not a philosophical one, but more a mathematical one saying the equation isn't adding up to it existing

is this right people?
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3khc
11/06/17 11:08:53 AM
#92:


Renraku_San posted...
Apocalyptic posted...
cjsdowg posted...
PikachuMaxwell posted...
It's all a dream?!?


I used to read Word Up! magazine


Salt'n'Pepa and Heavy D up in the limousine


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Polycosm
11/06/17 11:14:26 AM
#93:


darkphoenix181 posted...
Polycosm posted...
Of course the universe should exist, given that we're around to observe it. Who knows how many other potential cosmoses fizzled out without ever being recorded?

I think the idea is based on our understanding of physics and the mathematical model

the universe should not exist

in other words, the statement: "the universe should not exist" is not a philosophical one, but more a mathematical one saying the equation isn't adding up to it existing

is this right people?

Well, now that's an interesting statement, if correct. (I really should have read before commenting, tbh).
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GiggetySplicer
11/09/17 11:56:11 PM
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Only from what we know today.
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Questionmarktarius
11/10/17 9:55:22 AM
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GiggetySplicer
11/12/17 5:19:22 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
CP Violation means a completely different thing in particle physics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP_violation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leptoquark
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_%E2%88%92_L

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Notti
11/14/17 5:45:02 AM
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https://www.sciencealert.com/quantum-complexity-rules-out-our-universe-as-a-computer-simulation


Quantum Weirdness Once Again Shows We're Not Living in a Computer Simulation

There is no red pill.
MIKE MCRAE
29 SEP 2017

Questions of whether our reality is a simulation of something deeper have kept philosophers and freshmen awake since Plato was a pup.

A pair of physicists sleep a lot easier at night now that they've shown that quantum weirdness involving twists in space-time can't conceivably be simulated, adding to a list of problems that The Matrix would have no answer for. Sorry Neo.

Theoretical physicists Zohar Ringel and Dmitry Kovrizhin from the University of Oxford and the Hebrew University in Israel found a solid road-block to solving algorithms involving quantum-based Monte Carlo simulations.

The short version is, it basically means we can't model the physics we know of on even the biggest computer imaginable.

You're not in a simulation. Probably not, at least.

Still with us? Ok, come on down.

Monte Carlo simulations are computations based on random samples of a system. They're not particular to quantum physics, but they are useful for turning the fuzzy world of maybes into something a bit more predictable.

For the most part they can help make short work of certain many-body problems systems involving multiple quantum objects moving about through various dimensions.

Quantum Monte Carlo simulations are by no means perfect, though. A certain cancelling out of positives and negatives can arise, something referred to as a sign problem.

Sign-free representation would help get around it, but the way to do this for a lot of physics problems remains unclear. In fact, for some it might be downright impossible.

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Foppe
11/14/17 6:03:54 AM
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Well, the computer simulating us is much bigger than the universe it simulates.
Just because our simulated universe contains "an unlimited ammount of atoms" doesnt mean that the real universe is even bigger and that it exist a computer that is buit of "an unlimited ammount of atoms"^1000.
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GiggetySplicer
11/16/17 5:20:46 AM
#100:


Questionmarktarius posted...
CP Violation means a completely different thing in particle physics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP_violation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leptoquark
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_%E2%88%92_L

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