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RickyTheBAWSE
09/14/17 12:49:00 AM
#152:


good thing it's not as simplistic as that then, eh?
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Mal_Fet
09/14/17 1:43:12 AM
#153:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
good thing it's not as simplistic as that then, eh?

People taking out their impotent rage on statues is rather simple-minded.
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Zeus
09/14/17 1:44:27 AM
#154:


darkphoenix181 posted...
do you believe Thomas Jefferson was not a racist?


Do you believe any founding father wasn't?
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Lordsai
09/14/17 1:50:44 AM
#155:


These animals will be the end of America.
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UnfairRepresent
09/14/17 5:31:36 AM
#157:


27_Sandman_40 posted...
Zeus posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
do you believe Thomas Jefferson was not a racist?


Do you believe any founding father wasn't?


John fucking Adams

Literally opposed abolishing slavery
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UnfairRepresent
09/14/17 5:44:45 AM
#159:


27_Sandman_40 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
27_Sandman_40 posted...
Zeus posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
do you believe Thomas Jefferson was not a racist?


Do you believe any founding father wasn't?


John fucking Adams

Literally opposed abolishing slavery


No he didn't. He opposed overturning overnight, which is a completely different thing.


Uhuh
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Allaah
09/14/17 7:00:50 AM
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I find their action Islamophobic. Man are not allowed to wear burqa. Putting burqa on the statue of man is disrespectful to my religion.
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DawkinsNumber4
09/14/17 7:59:26 AM
#161:


27_Sandman_40 posted...
John Adams also didn't support outright abolition, either. "Adams, despite being opposed to slavery, did not support abolitionism except if it was done in a “gradual” way with “much caution and Circumspection.” Adams dismisses radical abolitionist measures as “produc[ing] greater violations of Justice and Humanity, than the continuance of the practice” of slavery itself." - Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History.


Did you even read what you quoted? He's basically saying banning slavery overnight was going to destroy the country. He was saying it should be a gradual, yet swift process so that in the near future, slavery was abolished. That was unfortunately the optimal idea given the nation's state at the time.



Sounds like some BS excuse to attempt and recover the argument attempting to be made that John Adams was severely against slavery. Even if he was, the same logic should be applied to Jefferson, not cherry-picked for use.
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QwelzaarKane
09/14/17 8:22:38 AM
#162:


Mal_Fet posted...
QwelzaarKane posted...

Anyone confused or surprised that some black people are against having a statue honoring him.

That was more about the statue itself, though. I imagine there's plaques and whatnot talking about the things he did. If they don't talk about both the good and bad, that's wrong imo.

If we had the ridiculous standard that no one can have a statue if they ever did anything bad, there would be no statues.


Okay. For the third (?) time in this topic: I don't give a fuck about whether the statue stays or goes, but

I imagine there's plaques and whatnot talking about the things he did. If they don't talk about both the good and bad, that's wrong imo.


I'm just not gonna sit here and act like black people are wrong for not wanting to blindly honor someone who thought of and treated their race as subhuman.
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Capn Circus
09/14/17 8:32:58 AM
#163:


QwelzaarKane posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
QwelzaarKane posted...

Anyone confused or surprised that some black people are against having a statue honoring him.

That was more about the statue itself, though. I imagine there's plaques and whatnot talking about the things he did. If they don't talk about both the good and bad, that's wrong imo.

If we had the ridiculous standard that no one can have a statue if they ever did anything bad, there would be no statues.


Okay. For the third (?) time in this topic: I don't give a fuck about whether the statue stays or goes, but

I imagine there's plaques and whatnot talking about the things he did. If they don't talk about both the good and bad, that's wrong imo.


I'm just not gonna sit here and act like black people are wrong for not wanting to blindly honor someone who thought of and treated their race as subhuman.


They don't have to do ****. They shouldn't be uncivil by destroying property and disturbing the statue for other people's enjoyment and reflection.
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Nomadic View
09/14/17 8:37:02 AM
#164:


At least they didn't destroy it.

If it was otherwise peaceful and no destruction happened I don't see this being a huge issue.

I don't agree with them on substance AT ALL, but at the very least they're behaving like people this time.
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Malcolm_Matar
09/14/17 8:37:36 AM
#165:


OH NO

a black tarp

What sedition
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Nomadic View
09/14/17 8:41:14 AM
#166:


Banning white supremacists groups from the campus? Is this seriously a thing that happens or is it just "everyone who disagrees with me is a white supremacists racist Nazi homophobic islamaphobic bigot" liberal definition of "white supremacists"?
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muchdran
09/14/17 8:43:11 AM
#167:


creativerealms posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Kyurem-BW posted...
@QwelzaarKane
so if he was a pos for being racist when that was acceptable what does that make MLK Jr for being anti-gay back when that was acceptable?

Give it time. The left always eats itself.

You do think the idiots represent the left as a whole. Wow. You think all of us are gun hating vegan hippys who love Muslims and want them to take over huh?

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EnragedSlith
09/14/17 10:05:38 AM
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I think it's excessive, even though Jefferson was a slave owner, intensely racist, and a rapist. He doesn't represent those things.
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The Admiral
09/14/17 10:59:18 AM
#171:


Nomadic View posted...
Banning white supremacists groups from the campus? Is this seriously a thing that happens or is it just "everyone who disagrees with me is a white supremacists racist Nazi homophobic islamaphobic bigot" liberal definition of "white supremacists"?


Basically "anyone with even slightly right-leaning views." These are the same people who still claim -- without exaggeration -- that everyone who voted for Trump supports racism/homophobia/misogyny. Getting them to drop the emotional hyperbole and apply labels rationally is beyond what their brains are capable of.
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UnfairRepresent
09/14/17 11:14:59 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Getting them to drop the emotional hyperbole and apply labels rationally is beyond what their brains are capable of.

admiral tier hypocrisy
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UnfairRepresent
09/14/17 11:15:48 AM
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Oh shit it actually was the admiral lol

Explains a lot
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LordRazziel
09/14/17 12:38:04 PM
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I can only imagine what Addy and Mal would say, if some leftists were upset about a bag over a statue.
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QwelzaarKane
09/14/17 11:03:45 PM
#175:


Capn Circus posted...
They don't have to do ****. They shouldn't be uncivil by destroying property and disturbing the statue for other people's enjoyment and reflection.


What was destroyed exactly?

And oh no, they threw a tarp on the statue and placed some signs against it. I thought the left were supposed to be the whiny snowflakes.
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Skye Reynolds
09/14/17 11:07:13 PM
#176:


Mal_Fet posted...
Remember when the left said Trump was being ridiculous for saying "What's next, removing statues of Thomas Jefferson?"


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Zikten
09/14/17 11:22:55 PM
#177:


QwelzaarKane posted...
And oh no, they threw a tarp on the statue and placed some signs against it. I thought the left were supposed to be the whiny snowflakes.

it's a threat though. the next step may be to tear it down. imagine if next month everyone wakes up and finds the statue demolished in the night
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JerickoX
09/14/17 11:24:20 PM
#178:


Now shit like this... this is what causes race wars. These kids need to learn some respect. I hope they're all arrested, and have their futures ruined.

Kyurem-BW posted...
@darkphoenix181 posted...
do you believe Thomas Jefferson was not a racist?

do you believe it is right to vandalize the statue of a founding father of the United states? one of the 56 who signed the declaration of independence?


This. These entitled brats wouldn't be allowed to scale Jefferson's statue, let alone breathe clean air if it weren't for his actions. Fuck this generation. Grrrrrr..... yeah, I'm fucking pissed.
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hockeybub89
09/14/17 11:24:56 PM
#179:


Mal_Fet posted...
Remember when the left said Trump was being ridiculous for saying "What's next, removing statues of Thomas Jefferson?"

A small group of idiots throwing a tarp on one statue does not prove Jefferson statues are going to start coming down across the land any day now.

Confederate statues should come down. TJ ones should not.
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QwelzaarKane
09/14/17 11:43:33 PM
#180:


Zikten posted...
QwelzaarKane posted...
And oh no, they threw a tarp on the statue and placed some signs against it. I thought the left were supposed to be the whiny snowflakes.

it's a threat though. the next step may be to tear it down. imagine if next month everyone wakes up and finds the statue demolished in the night


Imagine if! I'd rather imagine the country waking up next month and deciding to knock off this stupid idolatry shit (that goes for both sides).
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JerickoX
09/15/17 12:23:46 AM
#181:


QwelzaarKane posted...
Capn Circus posted...
They don't have to do ****. They shouldn't be uncivil by destroying property and disturbing the statue for other people's enjoyment and reflection.


What was destroyed exactly?

And oh no, they threw a tarp on the statue and placed some signs against it. I thought the left were supposed to be the whiny snowflakes.


Imagine the response if unite the right members did this to a statue of Malcom X. I would condemn that as well, and I despise Malcom X.
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UnfairRepresent
09/15/17 2:32:34 AM
#182:


JerickoX posted...
I hope they're all arrested, and have their futures ruined.

wut

hockeybub89 posted...

A small group of idiots throwing a tarp on one statue does not prove Jefferson statues are going to start coming down across the land any day now.

The point is another step.

Liberals are currently in tear down statue mode
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QwelzaarKane
09/15/17 7:47:32 AM
#183:


JerickoX posted...
Imagine the response if unite the right members did this to a statue of Malcom X. I would condemn that as well, and I despise Malcom X.


Imagine comparing some students peacefully protesting to actual neo-Nazis, Klan members, etc. and at least one terrorist who plowed through a crowd of people in his car.

UtR's very existence should be condemned.
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Zikten
09/15/17 7:49:38 AM
#184:


QwelzaarKane posted...
JerickoX posted...
Imagine the response if unite the right members did this to a statue of Malcom X. I would condemn that as well, and I despise Malcom X.


Imagine comparing some students peacefully protesting to actual neo-Nazis, Klan members, etc. and at least one terrorist who plowed through a crowd of people in his car.

UtR's very existence should be condemned.



the students don't peacefully protest. they punch people, spray women in the eyes with pepper spray, rip hats off people's heads, threaten people trying to attend events, scream hateful slogans while ironically holding signs talking about love and peace... I could go on. fuck Antifa. they are evil, hateful and violent psychopaths
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QwelzaarKane
09/15/17 8:32:27 AM
#185:


Zikten posted...
QwelzaarKane posted...
JerickoX posted...
Imagine the response if unite the right members did this to a statue of Malcom X. I would condemn that as well, and I despise Malcom X.


Imagine comparing some students peacefully protesting to actual neo-Nazis, Klan members, etc. and at least one terrorist who plowed through a crowd of people in his car.

UtR's very existence should be condemned.



the students don't peacefully protest. they punch people, spray women in the eyes with pepper spray, rip hats off people's heads, threaten people trying to attend events, scream hateful slogans while ironically holding signs talking about love and peace... I could go on. fuck Antifa. they are evil, hateful and violent psychopaths


None of that happened in this case. And none of that compares to driving into a crowd of people.
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Zikten
09/15/17 11:25:26 AM
#186:


it only didn't happen cause they finally spent some money on security.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/15/17 12:16:17 PM
#187:


Zikten posted...
it only didn't happen cause they finally spent some money on security.


unsubstantiated statement
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Capn Circus
09/15/17 12:21:04 PM
#188:


QwelzaarKane posted...
JerickoX posted...
Imagine the response if unite the right members did this to a statue of Malcom X. I would condemn that as well, and I despise Malcom X.


Imagine comparing some students peacefully protesting to actual neo-Nazis, Klan members, etc. and at least one terrorist who plowed through a crowd of people in his car.

UtR's very existence should be condemned.


They are not peacefully protesting. That would be standing away from the statue and holding signs. These people were defacing the statue, climbing all over it. It's not their statue to climb on.
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Horus_Leftfield
09/15/17 12:25:13 PM
#189:


I really hate this kind of slippery slopism regressives like Mal_Fet like to rely on. There are always people saying, if you ban Hustler magazine from the public library today, you will ban D. H. Lawrence tomorrow. If you ban Robert E. Lee, you'll ban Thomas Jefferson. This is the kind of anti-thinking that's characteristic of people on the regressive right... People should make judgments. People should exercise their powers of discrimination.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/15/17 12:56:30 PM
#190:


Horus_Leftfield posted...
I really hate this kind of slippery slopism regressives like Mal_Fet like to rely on. There are always people saying, if you ban Hustler magazine from the public library today, you will ban D. H. Lawrence tomorrow. If you ban Robert E. Lee, you'll ban Thomas Jefferson. This is the kind of anti-thinking that's characteristic of people on the regressive right... People should make judgments. People should exercise their powers of discrimination.


these people are intellectually dishonest and have no intention of finding any actual understanding because understanding isn't their goal.

the goal is just to get you to agree with them regardless of whether or not it's a complete fabrication. that's why they deflect, outright refuse to answer questions, make claims(even about you) with no substance, project emotions through sarcasm, draw false equivalences, separate your statements when quoting you to change the context in order to argue a point you weren't even making, etc...

when their argument has crumbled to the point they're desperately trying to argue a whole different point, it's clear that they never had an opened mind in the first place and lack the social maturity to be worth engaging in meaningful conversation. disingenuous pretenders, lol.
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Mal_Fet
09/15/17 1:03:00 PM
#191:


Horus_Leftfield posted...
I really hate this kind of slippery slopism regressives like Mal_Fet like to rely on.

"Slippery slope" is not a logical fallacy. Especially not when it keeps getting proven right.

I said earlier that these people will wabt to take down statues of MLK because he was homophobic. If their standard for taking down statues is "they were a bigot", please explain to me why MLK will get a pass down the line even though he falls into that criteria?
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Horus_Leftfield
09/15/17 1:04:38 PM
#192:


Martin Luther King wasn't homophobic... he was a much better man than you.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/15/17 1:05:14 PM
#193:


davyheinz posted...
They're just doing this to troll you, Mal.

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hockeybub89
09/15/17 1:05:31 PM
#194:


Mal_Fet posted...
Horus_Leftfield posted...
I really hate this kind of slippery slopism regressives like Mal_Fet like to rely on.

"Slippery slope" is not a logical fallacy. Especially not when it keeps getting proven right.

I said earlier that these people will wabt to take down statues of MLK because he was homophobic. If their standard for taking down statues is "they were a bigot", please explain to me why MLK will get a pass down the line even though he falls into that criteria?

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RickyTheBAWSE
09/15/17 1:05:39 PM
#195:


Mal_Fet posted...
Horus_Leftfield posted...
I really hate this kind of slippery slopism regressives like Mal_Fet like to rely on.

"Slippery slope" is not a logical fallacy. Especially not when it keeps getting proven right.

I said earlier that these people will wabt to take down statues of MLK because he was homophobic. If their standard for taking down statues is "they were a bigot", please explain to me why MLK will get a pass down the line even though he falls into that criteria?


I've only seen you and people like you create that criteria.
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Twin3Turbo
09/15/17 1:09:04 PM
#196:


Mal_Fet posted...
I said earlier that these people will wabt to take down statues of MLK because he was homophobic

I'm not even saying you're wrong, but it's been asked at least once in this topic for someone to provide evidence that he was homophobic and to my knowledge it hasn't been provided.

So please provide this or stop spouting it. And no, believing that it might be a mental disorder (I'm not even sure if we can go that far about his beliefs TBH but still) doesn't mean he was homophobic.
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Mal_Fet
09/15/17 1:28:15 PM
#197:


Twin3Turbo posted...
I'm not even saying you're wrong, but it's been asked at least once in this topic for someone to provide evidence that he was homophobic and to my knowledge it hasn't been provided.

Post 59, bro. Pay more attention.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/15/17 1:33:42 PM
#198:


many gays love and respect MLK, and I've never heard of the gay community having ill feelings towards MLK. maybe you shouldn't be the mouthpiece of groups you clearly misrepresent?

it's easy to tell when people are arguing something they don't actually believe in. your post reeks of intellectual dishonesty.
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gna647
09/15/17 1:37:28 PM
#199:


Kyurem-BW posted...
@darkphoenix181 posted...
do you believe Thomas Jefferson was not a racist?

do you believe it is right to vandalize the statue of a founding father of the United states? one of the 56 who signed the declaration of independence?


He was a slave owner so yeah

Fuck Thomas Jefferson.

Imagine being born in a country where the founding fathers treated your people like shit and people told you to get over it


Fuck that. I'm surprised by black complacency
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Mal_Fet
09/15/17 1:37:42 PM
#200:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
many gays love and respect MLK, and I've never heard of the gay community having ill feelings towards MLK.

"Gays" aren't a monolith, as leftist like you like to pretend identity groups are. What stopping at group of gay activists from saying they don't want to go to a school named after a famous homophobe? How will you tell them they're wrong when you've already said that shit like this is right?
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Twin3Turbo
09/15/17 1:42:11 PM
#201:


Mal_Fet posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
I'm not even saying you're wrong, but it's been asked at least once in this topic for someone to provide evidence that he was homophobic and to my knowledge it hasn't been provided.

Post 59, bro. Pay more attention.

Yeah, I read that

Please point out what specifically about it was homophobic?
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