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A_Good_Boy 09/13/17 5:21:33 PM #51:	Zeeak4444 posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Mal_Fet posted... boxington posted... Kyurem-BW posted... @QwelzaarKane so if he was a pos for being racist when that was acceptable what does that make MLK Jr for being anti-gay back when that was acceptable? I mean, as far as we know, MLK Jr. didn't act on his homophobia. Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner, though. Gandhi acted on his racism against Blacks in India. Shall we deface all likenesses of him? Do you believe that Africans are obligated to view him in the same light that you do? Do you think anyone's obligated to view Jefferson in the same light that you do @A_Good_Boy? No, I don't. And that's the reason why this topic is even about this event in the first place. How'd you miss that context, bud? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:886539959] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>boxington posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Kyurem-BW posted...</cite> <quote> @QwelzaarKane so if he was a pos for being racist when that was acceptable what does that make MLK Jr for being anti-gay back when that was acceptable? </quote> I mean, as far as we know, MLK Jr. didn't act on his homophobia. Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner, though. </quote> Gandhi acted on his racism against Blacks in India. Shall we deface all likenesses of him? </quote> Do you believe that Africans are obligated to view him in the same light that you do?</quote> Do you think anyone's obligated to view Jefferson in the same light that you do @A_Good_Boy?</quote> No, I don't. And that's the reason why this topic is even about this event in the first place. How'd you miss that context, bud?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 09/13/17 5:24:47 PM #52:	A_Good_Boy posted... Zeeak4444 posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Mal_Fet posted... boxington posted... Kyurem-BW posted... @QwelzaarKane so if he was a pos for being racist when that was acceptable what does that make MLK Jr for being anti-gay back when that was acceptable? I mean, as far as we know, MLK Jr. didn't act on his homophobia. Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner, though. Gandhi acted on his racism against Blacks in India. Shall we deface all likenesses of him? Do you believe that Africans are obligated to view him in the same light that you do? Do you think anyone's obligated to view Jefferson in the same light that you do @A_Good_Boy? No, I don't. And that's the reason why this topic is even about this event in the first place. How'd you miss that context, bud? I didn't, I just asked if you stayed consistent with your position. Don't get all bent out of shape about it, not like I called you a liar. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:886540144] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>boxington posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Kyurem-BW posted...</cite> <quote> @QwelzaarKane so if he was a pos for being racist when that was acceptable what does that make MLK Jr for being anti-gay back when that was acceptable? </quote> I mean, as far as we know, MLK Jr. didn't act on his homophobia. Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner, though. </quote> Gandhi acted on his racism against Blacks in India. Shall we deface all likenesses of him? </quote> Do you believe that Africans are obligated to view him in the same light that you do?</quote> Do you think anyone's obligated to view Jefferson in the same light that you do @A_Good_Boy?</quote> No, I don't. And that's the reason why this topic is even about this event in the first place. How'd you miss that context, bud?</quote> I didn't, I just asked if you stayed consistent with your position. Don't get all bent out of shape about it, not like I called you a liar.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NadYobWoc 09/13/17 5:39:27 PM #53:	Capn Circus posted... Once again Trump turns out to be right. Of course they'll go after other statues. If we continue to pacify this behavior, our entire constitution and principles of our nation will be dismantled because "they were racist". lmao this nerd doesn't know what pacify means. --- Cowboy Dan's a major player in the cowboy scene <cite>NadYobWoc posted [p:886540921] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>Once again Trump turns out to be right. Of course they'll go after other statues. If we continue to pacify this behavior, our entire constitution and principles of our nation will be dismantled because "they were racist".</quote> lmao this nerd doesn't know what pacify means.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Newhopes 09/13/17 5:42:44 PM #54:	NadYobWoc posted... Capn Circus posted... Once again Trump turns out to be right. Of course they'll go after other statues. If we continue to pacify this behavior, our entire constitution and principles of our nation will be dismantled because "they were racist". lmao this nerd doesn't know what pacify means. Apparently you don't know what pacify means LOL. <cite>Newhopes posted [p:886541102] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>NadYobWoc posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>Once again Trump turns out to be right. Of course they'll go after other statues. If we continue to pacify this behavior, our entire constitution and principles of our nation will be dismantled because "they were racist".</quote> lmao this nerd doesn't know what pacify means.</quote> Apparently you don't know what pacify means LOL.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 09/13/17 5:44:58 PM #55:	Shameful --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886541249] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote>Shameful</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NurseRedHeart 09/13/17 5:45:37 PM #56:	These idiots ugh --- http://tinyurl.com/z8cf8o6 / http://tinyurl.com/jpq5l8j / http://tinyurl.com/z9y449e \ ( ' w ') / - Ah yiss! <cite>NurseRedHeart posted [p:886541285] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote>These idiots ugh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SweetieBelle462 09/13/17 5:48:33 PM #57:	darkphoenix181 posted... do you believe Thomas Jefferson was not a racist? Do you think the native Americans weren't racist either? <cite>SweetieBelle462 posted [p:886541474] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>do you believe Thomas Jefferson was not a racist?</quote> Do you think the native Americans weren't racist either?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twin3Turbo 09/13/17 5:48:37 PM #58:	Kyurem-BW posted... @QwelzaarKane so if he was a pos for being racist when that was acceptable what does that make MLK Jr for being anti-gay back when that was acceptable? Don't get me wrong, it's not hard to believe that he probably was homophobic to some degree due to a lot of different reasons (deeply religious, pastor, time period, etc), but thought that it was never really proven if he was anti-gay or not? The most we got is an editorial or something like that where a writer asking for helped mentioned they had homosexual thoughts/feelings and MLK wrote back saying that it wasn't uncommon. Is there really anything out there where he really shared an anti-gay sentiment? --- https://imgflip.com/gif/di4a4 <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:886541478] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyurem-BW posted...</cite> <quote>@QwelzaarKane so if he was a pos for being racist when that was acceptable what does that make MLK Jr for being anti-gay back when that was acceptable?</quote> Don't get me wrong, it's not hard to believe that he probably was homophobic to some degree due to a lot of different reasons (deeply religious, pastor, time period, etc), but thought that it was never really proven if he was anti-gay or not? The most we got is an editorial or something like that where a writer asking for helped mentioned they had homosexual thoughts/feelings and MLK wrote back saying that it wasn't uncommon. Is there really anything out there where he really shared an anti-gay sentiment?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyurem-BW 09/13/17 5:59:55 PM #59:	https://swap.stanford.edu/20141218230500/http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/kingweb/publications/papers/vol4/580100-000-Advice_For_Living.htm Question: My problem is different from the ones most people have. I am a boy, but I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don't want my parents to know about me. What can I do? Is there any place where I can go for help? Answer: Your problem is not at all an uncommon one. However, it does require careful attention. The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired. Your reasons for adopting this habit have now been consciously suppressed or unconsciously repressed. Therefore, it is necessary to deal with this problem by getting back to some of the experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. In order to do this I would suggest that you see a good psychiatrist who can assist you in bringing to the forefront of conscience all of those experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve --- dont know why I even have one of these <cite>Kyurem-BW posted [p:886542182] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote>https://swap.stanford.edu/20141218230500/http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/kingweb/publications/papers/vol4/580100-000-Advice_For_Living.htm <quote>Question: My problem is different from the ones most people have. I am a boy, but I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don't want my parents to know about me. What can I do? Is there any place where I can go for help? Answer: Your problem is not at all an uncommon one. However, it does require careful attention. The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired. Your reasons for adopting this habit have now been consciously suppressed or unconsciously repressed. Therefore, it is necessary to deal with this problem by getting back to some of the experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. In order to do this I would suggest that you see a good psychiatrist who can assist you in bringing to the forefront of conscience all of those experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 09/13/17 6:00:01 PM #60:	Mal_Fet posted... Kyurem-BW posted... @QwelzaarKane so if he was a pos for being racist when that was acceptable what does that make MLK Jr for being anti-gay back when that was acceptable? Give it time. The left always eats itself. You do think the idiots represent the left as a whole. Wow. You think all of us are gun hating vegan hippys who love Muslims and want them to take over huh? --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:886542188] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyurem-BW posted...</cite> <quote>@QwelzaarKane so if he was a pos for being racist when that was acceptable what does that make MLK Jr for being anti-gay back when that was acceptable?</quote> Give it time. The left always eats itself.</quote> You do think the idiots represent the left as a whole. Wow. You think all of us are gun hating vegan hippys who love Muslims and want them to take over huh?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 09/13/17 6:01:16 PM #61:	Tag --- What do I feel when I shoot an enemy? Recoil. <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:886542260] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote>Tag</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe_stalin518 09/13/17 6:02:58 PM #62:	Esrac posted... Zikten posted... yea Gandhi HATED black people. probably even more than Jefferson did. you should see some of the stuff he said about them Jefferson didn't even hate black people. Yeah, he was racist. He absolutely thought blacks were innately inferior to whites, but he didn't necessarily hate them. As I recall, he had actually proposed a plan to gradually free the slaves, train them in useful trades, and deport them. The deportation thing was mostly because he figured there would be too much bitterness and resentment between whites and blacks over slavery for them to live together peacefully. I heard Jefferson actually never bought a single slave, he inherited them from his wife's father and knew if he just let them go they would have all just been captured and put into slavery again, and he wanted to marry Elizabeth hemming but promised his wife on her deathbed he would never marry again --- how does super mario world work without updates? Relax I know what I'm doing,I been killing topics since 1987 <cite>joe_stalin518 posted [p:886542364] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>yea Gandhi HATED black people. probably even more than Jefferson did. you should see some of the stuff he said about them</quote> Jefferson didn't even hate black people. Yeah, he was racist. He absolutely thought blacks were innately inferior to whites, but he didn't necessarily hate them. As I recall, he had actually proposed a plan to gradually free the slaves, train them in useful trades, and deport them. The deportation thing was mostly because he figured there would be too much bitterness and resentment between whites and blacks over slavery for them to live together peacefully.</quote> I heard Jefferson actually never bought a single slave, he inherited them from his wife's father and knew if he just let them go they would have all just been captured and put into slavery again, and he wanted to marry Elizabeth hemming but promised his wife on her deathbed he would never marry again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 09/13/17 6:04:26 PM #63:	Kyurem-BW posted... https://swap.stanford.edu/20141218230500/http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/kingweb/publications/papers/vol4/580100-000-Advice_For_Living.htm Question: My problem is different from the ones most people have. I am a boy, but I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don't want my parents to know about me. What can I do? Is there any place where I can go for help? Answer: Your problem is not at all an uncommon one. However, it does require careful attention. The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired. Your reasons for adopting this habit have now been consciously suppressed or unconsciously repressed. Therefore, it is necessary to deal with this problem by getting back to some of the experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. In order to do this I would suggest that you see a good psychiatrist who can assist you in bringing to the forefront of conscience all of those experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve So MLK said homosexuality is a mental disorder. Hadn't seen this quote before. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:886542456] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyurem-BW posted...</cite> <quote>https://swap.stanford.edu/20141218230500/http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/kingweb/publications/papers/vol4/580100-000-Advice_For_Living.htm <quote>Question: My problem is different from the ones most people have. I am a boy, but I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don't want my parents to know about me. What can I do? Is there any place where I can go for help? Answer: Your problem is not at all an uncommon one. However, it does require careful attention. The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired. Your reasons for adopting this habit have now been consciously suppressed or unconsciously repressed. Therefore, it is necessary to deal with this problem by getting back to some of the experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. In order to do this I would suggest that you see a good psychiatrist who can assist you in bringing to the forefront of conscience all of those experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve</quote></quote> So MLK said homosexuality is a mental disorder. Hadn't seen this quote before.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
QwelzaarKane 09/13/17 6:35:03 PM #64:	Kyurem-BW posted... @QwelzaarKane so if he was a pos for being racist when that was acceptable what does that make MLK Jr for being anti-gay back when that was acceptable? It makes him homophobic. What actions of his were anti-gay, though? Unless he was actively working against them you have no point. Owning and raping slaves goes a bit beyond simple racism imo. Zikten posted... QwelzaarKane posted... It's not hard to see why certain groups don't like seeing him honored while ignoring all the bad. because if you do that, you have to attack almost all historical people. very few people from the past lived up to 21st century moral standards. you can find dirt on almost anyone. Being honest about Jefferson isn't attacking him. It's funny how people (not referring to anyone ITT specifically) whine about erasing history with these statues but refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people. I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how shitty most early Americans were. --- All night I daydream of sleep but never get it Backlog: http://bit.ly/1Roh0a4 \|\| PC: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3gcMGX <cite>QwelzaarKane posted [p:886544664] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyurem-BW posted...</cite> <quote>@QwelzaarKane so if he was a pos for being racist when that was acceptable what does that make MLK Jr for being anti-gay back when that was acceptable?</quote> It makes him homophobic. What actions of his were anti-gay, though? Unless he was actively working against them you have no point. Owning and raping slaves goes a bit beyond simple racism imo. <cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>QwelzaarKane posted...</cite> <quote>It's not hard to see why certain groups don't like seeing him honored while ignoring all the bad.</quote> because if you do that, you have to attack almost all historical people. very few people from the past lived up to 21st century moral standards. you can find dirt on almost anyone.</quote> Being honest about Jefferson isn't attacking him. It's funny how people (not referring to anyone ITT specifically) whine about erasing history with these statues but refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people. I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how shitty most early Americans were.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/13/17 7:06:36 PM #65:	creativerealms posted... You do think the idiots represent the left as a whole. Wow. Observe how the leftist media talks about Berniebros. There ya go. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886547452] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>You do think the idiots represent the left as a whole. Wow. </quote> Observe how the leftist media talks about Berniebros. There ya go.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 09/13/17 7:09:37 PM #67:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq_mDQvCbw4 --- I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson i.imgur.com/a2EzoIs.gif i.imgur.com/rPcGRiP.gif <cite>HylianFox posted [p:886547705] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq_mDQvCbw4</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 09/13/17 7:10:35 PM #68:	Jefferson had sick af rhymes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBmTdJ4XTfs i don't know how people could oppose this man. --- #FeelTheBern http://i.imgur.com/q5z4CUu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6B9oFXh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sy42Dlf.jpg <cite>lilORANG posted [p:886547806] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote>Jefferson had sick af rhymes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBmTdJ4XTfs i don't know how people could oppose this man.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 09/13/17 7:12:12 PM #69:	Giant_Aspirin posted... i sure hope Mal_Fet is smart enough to realize that this was a small group of people and does not represent "the left" These small groups of people seem to be continuously popping up in virtually every state---and quite often, too. There's also people in this topic defending it, too. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:886547943] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>i sure hope Mal_Fet is smart enough to realize that this was a small group of people and does not represent "the left"</quote> These small groups of people seem to be continuously popping up in virtually every state---and quite often, too. There's also people in this topic defending it, too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 09/13/17 7:13:11 PM #70:	Capn Circus posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... i sure hope Mal_Fet is smart enough to realize that this was a small group of people and does not represent "the left" These small groups of people seem to be continuously popping up in virtually every state---and quite often, too. Just like how small groups of offenders continuously seem to pop up in police stations. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:886548032] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote> i sure hope Mal_Fet is smart enough to realize that this was a small group of people and does not represent "the left"</quote> These small groups of people seem to be continuously popping up in virtually every state---and quite often, too.</quote> Just like how small groups of offenders continuously seem to pop up in police stations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 09/13/17 7:17:02 PM #71:	A_Good_Boy posted... Capn Circus posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... i sure hope Mal_Fet is smart enough to realize that this was a small group of people and does not represent "the left" These small groups of people seem to be continuously popping up in virtually every state---and quite often, too. Just like how small groups of offenders continuously seem to pop up in police stations. I don't think I understand your reference. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:886548372] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote> i sure hope Mal_Fet is smart enough to realize that this was a small group of people and does not represent "the left"</quote> These small groups of people seem to be continuously popping up in virtually every state---and quite often, too.</quote> Just like how small groups of offenders continuously seem to pop up in police stations.</quote> I don't think I understand your reference.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 09/13/17 7:22:32 PM #72:	QwelzaarKane posted... refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people. I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how s**ty most early Americans were. They weren't terrible people by any stretch of the imagination. They were our founding fathers who led the American revolution freeing us from Britain and contributed heavily to establishing our nation. The people of our past built and designed this nation out of absolutely nothing. They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society, but they weren't terrible people. I refuse to go along with the notion common practices of the distant past, whatever they may have been, made the people at the time terrible or stupid. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks* <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:886548828] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>QwelzaarKane posted...</cite> <quote>refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people. I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how s***ty most early Americans were.</quote> They weren't terrible people by any stretch of the imagination. They were our founding fathers who led the American revolution freeing us from Britain and contributed heavily to establishing our nation. The people of our past built and designed this nation out of absolutely nothing. They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society, but they weren't terrible people. I refuse to go along with the notion common practices of the distant past, whatever they may have been, made the people at the time terrible or stupid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 09/13/17 7:32:05 PM #73:	Capn Circus posted... QwelzaarKane posted... refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people. I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how s*ty most early Americans were. They weren't terrible people by any stretch of the imagination. They were our founding fathers who led the American revolution freeing us from Britain and contributed heavily to establishing our nation. The people of our past built and designed this nation out of absolutely nothing. They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society, but they weren't terrible people. I refuse to go along with the notion common practices of the distant past, whatever they may have been, made the people at the time terrible or stupid. wrong is wrong regardless of the time. legal and right are not the same. YOUR forefathers had shitty souls and set the tone for the ethnic division we still have. the division that you contribute to in topics every day. fuck Jefferson. simple as that. --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:886549591] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>QwelzaarKane posted...</cite> <quote> refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people. I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how s*ty most early Americans were.</quote> They weren't terrible people by any stretch of the imagination. They were our founding fathers who led the American revolution freeing us from Britain and contributed heavily to establishing our nation. The people of our past built and designed this nation out of absolutely nothing. They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society, but they weren't terrible people. I refuse to go along with the notion common practices of the distant past, whatever they may have been, made the people at the time terrible or stupid.</quote> wrong is wrong regardless of the time. legal and right are not the same. YOUR forefathers had shitty souls and set the tone for the ethnic division we still have. the division that you contribute to in topics every day. fuck Jefferson. simple as that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 09/13/17 7:38:48 PM #75:	RickyTheBAWSE posted... wrong is wrong regardless of the time. legal and right are not the same. YOUR forefathers had shitty souls and set the tone for the ethnic division we still have. the division that you contribute to in topics every day. fuck Jefferson. simple as that. If you hold everyone to 21st century standards of morality, no heroes exist. You are probably a horrible person to someone 50 years from now. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886550057] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted...</cite> <quote>wrong is wrong regardless of the time. legal and right are not the same. YOUR forefathers had shitty souls and set the tone for the ethnic division we still have. the division that you contribute to in topics every day. fuck Jefferson. simple as that.</quote> If you hold everyone to 21st century standards of morality, no heroes exist. You are probably a horrible person to someone 50 years from now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Endofall 09/13/17 7:38:55 PM #76:	wow <cite>Endofall posted [p:886550067] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote>wow</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Capn Circus 09/13/17 7:42:16 PM #78:	RickyTheBAWSE posted... Capn Circus posted... QwelzaarKane posted... refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people. I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how s**ty most early Americans were. They weren't terrible people by any stretch of the imagination. They were our founding fathers who led the American revolution freeing us from Britain and contributed heavily to establishing our nation. The people of our past built and designed this nation out of absolutely nothing. They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society, but they weren't terrible people. I refuse to go along with the notion common practices of the distant past, whatever they may have been, made the people at the time terrible or stupid. wrong is wrong regardless of the time. legal and right are not the same. YOUR forefathers had shitty souls and set the tone for the ethnic division we still have. the division that you contribute to in topics every day. fuck Jefferson. simple as that. There will be a right way of doing things coming into consensus 300 years from now that will make us look stupid, unintelligent, or wrong. But we're not, most of us are doing the best we can with what we know and have to work with. Going by your logic, we need to denounce your ancestors, too. (I'm assuming we don't have the same ones, since you emphasized "YOUR") --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks* <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:886550292] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>QwelzaarKane posted...</cite> <quote> refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people. I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how s***ty most early Americans were.</quote> They weren't terrible people by any stretch of the imagination. They were our founding fathers who led the American revolution freeing us from Britain and contributed heavily to establishing our nation. The people of our past built and designed this nation out of absolutely nothing. They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society, but they weren't terrible people. I refuse to go along with the notion common practices of the distant past, whatever they may have been, made the people at the time terrible or stupid.</quote> wrong is wrong regardless of the time. legal and right are not the same. YOUR forefathers had shitty souls and set the tone for the ethnic division we still have. the division that you contribute to in topics every day. fuck Jefferson. simple as that.</quote> There will be a right way of doing things coming into consensus 300 years from now that will make us look stupid, unintelligent, or wrong. But we're not, most of us are doing the best we can with what we know and have to work with. Going by your logic, we need to denounce your ancestors, too. (I'm assuming we don't have the same ones, since you emphasized "YOUR")</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 09/13/17 7:45:32 PM #80:	27_Sandman_40 posted... Except guys like John Adams fought to keep slavery out of the constitution back when the country was founded. Is slavery the only evil thing people 200 years ago believed in? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886550523] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote>Except guys like John Adams fought to keep slavery out of the constitution back when the country was founded.</quote> Is slavery the only evil thing people 200 years ago believed in?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 09/13/17 7:46:55 PM #81:	Capn Circus posted... RickyTheBAWSE posted... Capn Circus posted... QwelzaarKane posted... refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people. I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how s*ty most early Americans were. They weren't terrible people by any stretch of the imagination. They were our founding fathers who led the American revolution freeing us from Britain and contributed heavily to establishing our nation. The people of our past built and designed this nation out of absolutely nothing. They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society, but they weren't terrible people. I refuse to go along with the notion common practices of the distant past, whatever they may have been, made the people at the time terrible or stupid. wrong is wrong regardless of the time. legal and right are not the same. YOUR forefathers had shitty souls and set the tone for the ethnic division we still have. the division that you contribute to in topics every day. fuck Jefferson. simple as that. There will be a right way of doing things coming into consensus 300 years from now that will make us look stupid, unintelligent, or wrong. But we're not, most of us are doing the best we can with what we know and have to work with. Going by your logic, we need to denounce your ancestors, too. (I'm assuming we don't have the same ones, since you emphasized "YOUR") logic escapes your post. who is this "us" you speak of? and why are you their spokesperson? if you can't hold yourself accountable for your own words and actions, that's on you. but you're still accountable regardless of how bad you want to be painted as a something different. and I said YOUR because you included yourself, but they aren't my forefathers. they didn't intend for people like me to be included in the their American dream. why should I pretend? --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:886550632] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>QwelzaarKane posted...</cite> <quote> refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people. I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how s*ty most early Americans were. </quote> They weren't terrible people by any stretch of the imagination. They were our founding fathers who led the American revolution freeing us from Britain and contributed heavily to establishing our nation. The people of our past built and designed this nation out of absolutely nothing. They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society, but they weren't terrible people. I refuse to go along with the notion common practices of the distant past, whatever they may have been, made the people at the time terrible or stupid. </quote> wrong is wrong regardless of the time. legal and right are not the same. YOUR forefathers had shitty souls and set the tone for the ethnic division we still have. the division that you contribute to in topics every day. fuck Jefferson. simple as that. </quote> There will be a right way of doing things coming into consensus 300 years from now that will make us look stupid, unintelligent, or wrong. But we're not, most of us are doing the best we can with what we know and have to work with. Going by your logic, we need to denounce your ancestors, too. (I'm assuming we don't have the same ones, since you emphasized "YOUR")</quote> logic escapes your post. who is this "us" you speak of? and why are you their spokesperson? if you can't hold yourself accountable for your own words and actions, that's on you. but you're still accountable regardless of how bad you want to be painted as a something different. and I said YOUR because you included yourself, but they aren't my forefathers. they didn't intend for people like me to be included in the their American dream. why should I pretend?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 09/13/17 7:52:32 PM #83:	27_Sandman_40 posted... Mal_Fet posted... 27_Sandman_40 posted... Except guys like John Adams fought to keep slavery out of the constitution back when the country was founded. Is slavery the only evil thing people 200 years ago believed in? i mean it's a good start if you didn't believe in slavery at that time compared to the rapist (jefferson), the slave owner (washington), and the genocider (jackson) Lol you already hate Jefferson for the crime of inheriting slaves, is it necessary to throw the dubious and likely untrue rumor of him being a rapist in there too? Point is, I will start taking people like you seriously as soon as you start advocating for removing MLK Jr. 's name and likeness from all schools, streets, and statues for his blatant homophobia. Until then, I'll continue writing you off as a hypocrite. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886551025] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote>Except guys like John Adams fought to keep slavery out of the constitution back when the country was founded.</quote> Is slavery the only evil thing people 200 years ago believed in?</quote> i mean it's a good start if you didn't believe in slavery at that time compared to the rapist (jefferson), the slave owner (washington), and the genocider (jackson)</quote> Lol you already hate Jefferson for the crime of inheriting slaves, is it necessary to throw the dubious and likely untrue rumor of him being a rapist in there too? Point is, I will start taking people like you seriously as soon as you start advocating for removing MLK Jr. 's name and likeness from all schools, streets, and statues for his blatant homophobia. Until then, I'll continue writing you off as a hypocrite.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Twin3Turbo 09/13/17 7:59:55 PM #85:	The Admiral posted... Kyurem-BW posted... https://swap.stanford.edu/20141218230500/http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/kingweb/publications/papers/vol4/580100-000-Advice_For_Living.htm Question: My problem is different from the ones most people have. I am a boy, but I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don't want my parents to know about me. What can I do? Is there any place where I can go for help? Answer: Your problem is not at all an uncommon one. However, it does require careful attention. The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired. Your reasons for adopting this habit have now been consciously suppressed or unconsciously repressed. Therefore, it is necessary to deal with this problem by getting back to some of the experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. In order to do this I would suggest that you see a good psychiatrist who can assist you in bringing to the forefront of conscience all of those experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve So MLK said homosexuality is a mental disorder. Hadn't seen this quote before. Wasn't it officially labeled asa mental disorder back then? --- https://imgflip.com/gif/di4a4 <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:886551531] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyurem-BW posted...</cite> <quote>https://swap.stanford.edu/20141218230500/http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/kingweb/publications/papers/vol4/580100-000-Advice_For_Living.htm <quote>Question: My problem is different from the ones most people have. I am a boy, but I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don't want my parents to know about me. What can I do? Is there any place where I can go for help? Answer: Your problem is not at all an uncommon one. However, it does require careful attention. The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired. Your reasons for adopting this habit have now been consciously suppressed or unconsciously repressed. Therefore, it is necessary to deal with this problem by getting back to some of the experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. In order to do this I would suggest that you see a good psychiatrist who can assist you in bringing to the forefront of conscience all of those experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve</quote></quote> So MLK said homosexuality is a mental disorder. Hadn't seen this quote before.</quote> Wasn't it officially labeled asa mental disorder back then?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 09/13/17 8:01:34 PM #86:	Mal_Fet posted... 27_Sandman_40 posted... Mal_Fet posted... 27_Sandman_40 posted... Except guys like John Adams fought to keep slavery out of the constitution back when the country was founded. Is slavery the only evil thing people 200 years ago believed in? i mean it's a good start if you didn't believe in slavery at that time compared to the rapist (jefferson), the slave owner (washington), and the genocider (jackson) Lol you already hate Jefferson for the crime of inheriting slaves, is it necessary to throw the dubious and likely untrue rumor of him being a rapist in there too? Point is, I will start taking people like you seriously as soon as you start advocating for removing MLK Jr. 's name and likeness from all schools, streets, and statues for his blatant homophobia. Until then, I'll continue writing you off as a hypocrite. which speech contained the homophobia? --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:886551635] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote> Except guys like John Adams fought to keep slavery out of the constitution back when the country was founded. </quote> Is slavery the only evil thing people 200 years ago believed in? </quote> i mean it's a good start if you didn't believe in slavery at that time compared to the rapist (jefferson), the slave owner (washington), and the genocider (jackson)</quote> Lol you already hate Jefferson for the crime of inheriting slaves, is it necessary to throw the dubious and likely untrue rumor of him being a rapist in there too? Point is, I will start taking people like you seriously as soon as you start advocating for removing MLK Jr. 's name and likeness from all schools, streets, and statues for his blatant homophobia. Until then, I'll continue writing you off as a hypocrite.</quote> which speech contained the homophobia?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 09/13/17 8:01:54 PM #87:	Twin3Turbo posted... The Admiral posted... Kyurem-BW posted... https://swap.stanford.edu/20141218230500/http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/kingweb/publications/papers/vol4/580100-000-Advice_For_Living.htm Question: My problem is different from the ones most people have. I am a boy, but I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don't want my parents to know about me. What can I do? Is there any place where I can go for help? Answer: Your problem is not at all an uncommon one. However, it does require careful attention. The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired. Your reasons for adopting this habit have now been consciously suppressed or unconsciously repressed. Therefore, it is necessary to deal with this problem by getting back to some of the experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. In order to do this I would suggest that you see a good psychiatrist who can assist you in bringing to the forefront of conscience all of those experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve So MLK said homosexuality is a mental disorder. Hadn't seen this quote before. Wasn't it officially labeled asa mental disorder back then? Don't you know, everyone is a product of their time except for MLK. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:886551657] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Kyurem-BW posted...</cite> <quote> https://swap.stanford.edu/20141218230500/http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/kingweb/publications/papers/vol4/580100-000-Advice_For_Living.htm <quote> Question: My problem is different from the ones most people have. I am a boy, but I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don't want my parents to know about me. What can I do? Is there any place where I can go for help? Answer: Your problem is not at all an uncommon one. However, it does require careful attention. The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired. Your reasons for adopting this habit have now been consciously suppressed or unconsciously repressed. Therefore, it is necessary to deal with this problem by getting back to some of the experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. In order to do this I would suggest that you see a good psychiatrist who can assist you in bringing to the forefront of conscience all of those experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve </quote> </quote> So MLK said homosexuality is a mental disorder. Hadn't seen this quote before.</quote> Wasn't it officially labeled asa mental disorder back then?</quote> Don't you know, everyone is a product of their time except for MLK.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
justaguy3492 09/13/17 8:04:48 PM #88:	"Some statue that I didn't even know existed until today got covered up, better go get upset about it." --- Gt: justaguy3492 <cite>justaguy3492 posted [p:886551855] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote>"Some statue that I didn't even know existed until today got covered up, better go get upset about it."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 09/13/17 8:06:19 PM #89:	RickyTheBAWSE posted... Capn Circus posted... RickyTheBAWSE posted... Capn Circus posted... QwelzaarKane posted... refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people. I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how s**ty most early Americans were. They weren't terrible people by any stretch of the imagination. They were our founding fathers who led the American revolution freeing us from Britain and contributed heavily to establishing our nation. The people of our past built and designed this nation out of absolutely nothing. They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society, but they weren't terrible people. I refuse to go along with the notion common practices of the distant past, whatever they may have been, made the people at the time terrible or stupid. wrong is wrong regardless of the time. legal and right are not the same. YOUR forefathers had shitty souls and set the tone for the ethnic division we still have. the division that you contribute to in topics every day. fuck Jefferson. simple as that. There will be a right way of doing things coming into consensus 300 years from now that will make us look stupid, unintelligent, or wrong. But we're not, most of us are doing the best we can with what we know and have to work with. Going by your logic, we need to denounce your ancestors, too. (I'm assuming we don't have the same ones, since you emphasized "YOUR") logic escapes your post. who is this "us" you speak of? and why are you their spokesperson? if you can't hold yourself accountable for your own words and actions, that's on you. but you're still accountable regardless of how bad you want to be painted as a something different. and I said YOUR because you included yourself, but they aren't my forefathers. they didn't intend for people like me to be included in the their American dream. why should I pretend? Logic escapes my post, to you, because you don't really seem understand what you're even talking about or are able to follow words. "Us" clearly means the people living in this nation today. Including yourself. I said founding fathers, which they are your founding fathers as well if you live in America. You then mentioned forefathers, which is is a term generally reserved for previous generation of family or ancestors. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks* <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:886551937] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>QwelzaarKane posted...</cite> <quote> refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people. I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how s***ty most early Americans were. </quote> They weren't terrible people by any stretch of the imagination. They were our founding fathers who led the American revolution freeing us from Britain and contributed heavily to establishing our nation. The people of our past built and designed this nation out of absolutely nothing. They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society, but they weren't terrible people. I refuse to go along with the notion common practices of the distant past, whatever they may have been, made the people at the time terrible or stupid. </quote> wrong is wrong regardless of the time. legal and right are not the same. YOUR forefathers had shitty souls and set the tone for the ethnic division we still have. the division that you contribute to in topics every day. fuck Jefferson. simple as that. </quote> There will be a right way of doing things coming into consensus 300 years from now that will make us look stupid, unintelligent, or wrong. But we're not, most of us are doing the best we can with what we know and have to work with. Going by your logic, we need to denounce your ancestors, too. (I'm assuming we don't have the same ones, since you emphasized "YOUR")</quote> logic escapes your post. who is this "us" you speak of? and why are you their spokesperson? if you can't hold yourself accountable for your own words and actions, that's on you. but you're still accountable regardless of how bad you want to be painted as a something different. and I said YOUR because you included yourself, but they aren't my forefathers. they didn't intend for people like me to be included in the their American dream. why should I pretend?</quote> Logic escapes my post, to you, because you don't really seem understand what you're even talking about or are able to follow words. "Us" clearly means the people living in this nation today. Including yourself. I said founding fathers, which they are your founding fathers as well if you live in America. You then mentioned forefathers, which is is a term generally reserved for previous generation of family or ancestors.</quote> ... 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RickyTheBAWSE 09/13/17 8:11:56 PM #90:	Capn Circus posted... RickyTheBAWSE posted... Capn Circus posted... RickyTheBAWSE posted... Capn Circus posted... QwelzaarKane posted... refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people. I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how s*ty most early Americans were. They weren't terrible people by any stretch of the imagination. They were our founding fathers who led the American revolution freeing us from Britain and contributed heavily to establishing our nation. The people of our past built and designed this nation out of absolutely nothing. They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society, but they weren't terrible people. I refuse to go along with the notion common practices of the distant past, whatever they may have been, made the people at the time terrible or stupid. wrong is wrong regardless of the time. legal and right are not the same. YOUR forefathers had shitty souls and set the tone for the ethnic division we still have. the division that you contribute to in topics every day. fuck Jefferson. simple as that. There will be a right way of doing things coming into consensus 300 years from now that will make us look stupid, unintelligent, or wrong. But we're not, most of us are doing the best we can with what we know and have to work with. Going by your logic, we need to denounce your ancestors, too. (I'm assuming we don't have the same ones, since you emphasized "YOUR") logic escapes your post. who is this "us" you speak of? and why are you their spokesperson? if you can't hold yourself accountable for your own words and actions, that's on you. but you're still accountable regardless of how bad you want to be painted as a something different. and I said YOUR because you included yourself, but they aren't my forefathers. they didn't intend for people like me to be included in the their American dream. why should I pretend? Logic escapes my post, to you, because you don't really seem understand what you're even talking about or are able to follow words. "Us" clearly means the people living in this nation today. Including yourself. I said founding fathers, which they are your founding fathers as well if you live in America. You then mentioned forefathers, which is is a term generally reserved for previous generation of family or ancestors. again, wrong is wrong regardless of the time period. the term "legal" isn't synonymous with "right," and Jefferson is a forefather of White supremacy. at no point has that ever been okay. ever. why is that so hard for you to get? and why are you working so hard to stray from that point? he didn't do anything for me. he didn't found this nation for me nor did he consider people like me actually human. he's no more my founding father than he is a mule's. you don't get to decide these things for me, regardless of whatever privilege you think you've got. --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:886552323] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>QwelzaarKane posted...</cite> <quote> refuse to acknowledge that this country was built by some terrible people. I'm indifferent on removing this statue, but we shouldn't be glossing over how s*ty most early Americans were. </quote> They weren't terrible people by any stretch of the imagination. They were our founding fathers who led the American revolution freeing us from Britain and contributed heavily to establishing our nation. The people of our past built and designed this nation out of absolutely nothing. They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society, but they weren't terrible people. I refuse to go along with the notion common practices of the distant past, whatever they may have been, made the people at the time terrible or stupid. </quote> wrong is wrong regardless of the time. legal and right are not the same. YOUR forefathers had shitty souls and set the tone for the ethnic division we still have. the division that you contribute to in topics every day. fuck Jefferson. simple as that. </quote> There will be a right way of doing things coming into consensus 300 years from now that will make us look stupid, unintelligent, or wrong. But we're not, most of us are doing the best we can with what we know and have to work with. Going by your logic, we need to denounce your ancestors, too. (I'm assuming we don't have the same ones, since you emphasized "YOUR") </quote> logic escapes your post. who is this "us" you speak of? and why are you their spokesperson? if you can't hold yourself accountable for your own words and actions, that's on you. but you're still accountable regardless of how bad you want to be painted as a something different. and I said YOUR because you included yourself, but they aren't my forefathers. they didn't intend for people like me to be included in the their American dream. why should I pretend? </quote> Logic escapes my post, to you, because you don't really seem understand what you're even talking about or are able to follow words. "Us" clearly means the people living in this nation today. Including yourself. I said founding fathers, which they are your founding fathers as well if you live in America. You then mentioned forefathers, which is is a term generally reserved for previous generation of family or ancestors.</quote> again, wrong is wrong regardless of the time period. the term "legal" isn't synonymous with "right," and Jefferson is a forefather of White supremacy. at no point has that ever been okay. ever. why is that so hard for you to get? and why are you working so hard to stray from that point? he didn't do anything for me. he didn't found this nation for me nor did he consider people like me actually human. he's no more my founding father than he is a mule's. you don't get to decide these things for me, regardless of whatever privilege you think you've got.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
QwelzaarKane 09/13/17 8:53:38 PM #91:	Capn Circus posted... They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society, There were a ton of people at the time who considered slavery abhorrent. --- All night I daydream of sleep but never get it Backlog: http://bit.ly/1Roh0a4 \|\| PC: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3gcMGX <cite>QwelzaarKane posted [p:886554880] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>They practiced things no longer acceptable in today's society, </quote> There were a ton of people at the time who considered slavery abhorrent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RickyTheBAWSE 09/13/17 9:04:14 PM #93:	exactly why people should be careful about using the word "us" and "we." you don't speak for everybody who is the same hue as you, lol. --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:886555520] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote>exactly why people should be careful about using the word "us" and "we." you don't speak for everybody who is the same hue as you, lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 09/13/17 9:10:12 PM #94:	RickyTheBAWSE posted... exactly why people should be careful about using the word "us" and "we." you don't speak for everybody who is the same hue as you, lol. Same goes for people talking about liberals and conservatives, imo. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:886555877] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted...</cite> <quote>exactly why people should be careful about using the word "us" and "we." you don't speak for everybody who is the same hue as you, lol.</quote> Same goes for people talking about liberals and conservatives, imo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 09/13/17 9:16:09 PM #95:	LordRazziel posted... RickyTheBAWSE posted... exactly why people should be careful about using the word "us" and "we." you don't speak for everybody who is the same hue as you, lol. Same goes for people talking about liberals and conservatives, imo. especially them, lol. political affiliations are conscious choices. --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:886556261] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted...</cite> <quote> exactly why people should be careful about using the word "us" and "we." you don't speak for everybody who is the same hue as you, lol.</quote> Same goes for people talking about liberals and conservatives, imo.</quote> especially them, lol. political affiliations are conscious choices.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 09/13/17 9:35:18 PM #96:	27_Sandman_40 posted... This, like John Adams. John Adams also didn't support outright abolition, either. "Adams, despite being opposed to slavery, did not support abolitionism except if it was done in a “gradual” way with “much caution and Circumspection.” Adams dismisses radical abolitionist measures as “produc[ing] greater violations of Justice and Humanity, than the continuance of the practice” of slavery itself." - Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History. People thought and behaved differently in the past. This goes for every nation and culture. Calling groups of people, particularly the founding fathers and other important molders of our nation--- soulless and terrible people is ridiculous, and most particularly ridiculous if you refuse to denounce and call others from various regions and cultures during those time periods also soulless and terrible. Which is exactly what is going on in this topic. RickyTheBAWSE posted... exactly why people should be careful about using the word "us" and "we." you don't speak for everybody who is the same hue as you, lol. You either have a grandiose inflation of your ego to think no one 300 years from now will believe your actions and the way you live your life to be stupid, soulless, wrong, or terrible--- or you still aren't comprehending that I'm conveying standards, knowledge, and practices change over time. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:886557470] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>27_Sandman_40 posted...</cite> <quote>This, like John Adams.</quote> John Adams also didn't support outright abolition, either. "Adams, despite being opposed to slavery, did not support abolitionism except if it was done in a “gradual” way with “much caution and Circumspection.” Adams dismisses radical abolitionist measures as “produc[ing] greater violations of Justice and Humanity, than the continuance of the practice” of slavery itself." - Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History. People thought and behaved differently in the past. This goes for every nation and culture. Calling groups of people, particularly the founding fathers and other important molders of our nation--- soulless and terrible people is ridiculous, and most particularly ridiculous if you refuse to denounce and call others from various regions and cultures during those time periods also soulless and terrible. Which is exactly what is going on in this topic. <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted...</cite> <quote>exactly why people should be careful about using the word "us" and "we." you don't speak for everybody who is the same hue as you, lol.</quote> You either have a grandiose inflation of your ego to think no one 300 years from now will believe your actions and the way you live your life to be stupid, soulless, wrong, or terrible--- or you still aren't comprehending that I'm conveying standards, knowledge, and practices change over time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
QwelzaarKane 09/13/17 9:38:28 PM #97:	Capn Circus posted... You either have a grandiose inflation of your ego to think no one 300 years from now will believe your actions and the way you live your life to be stupid, soulless, wrong, or terrible or you still aren't comprehending that I'm conveying standards, knowledge, and practices change over time. QwelzaarKane posted... There were a ton of people at the time who considered slavery abhorrent. --- All night I daydream of sleep but never get it Backlog: http://bit.ly/1Roh0a4 \|\| PC: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3gcMGX <cite>QwelzaarKane posted [p:886557660] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>You either have a grandiose inflation of your ego to think no one 300 years from now will believe your actions and the way you live your life to be stupid, soulless, wrong, or terrible or you still aren't comprehending that I'm conveying standards, knowledge, and practices change over time.</quote> <cite>QwelzaarKane posted...</cite> <quote>There were a ton of people at the time who considered slavery abhorrent.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 09/13/17 9:42:43 PM #98:	joe_stalin518 posted... Esrac posted... Zikten posted... yea Gandhi HATED black people. probably even more than Jefferson did. you should see some of the stuff he said about them Jefferson didn't even hate black people. Yeah, he was racist. He absolutely thought blacks were innately inferior to whites, but he didn't necessarily hate them. As I recall, he had actually proposed a plan to gradually free the slaves, train them in useful trades, and deport them. The deportation thing was mostly because he figured there would be too much bitterness and resentment between whites and blacks over slavery for them to live together peacefully. I heard Jefferson actually never bought a single slave, he inherited them from his wife's father and knew if he just let them go they would have all just been captured and put into slavery again, and he wanted to marry Elizabeth hemming but promised his wife on her deathbed he would never marry again That's not quite true. Jefferson inherited about 175 slaves combined from his father and father-in-law, but own about 600 over the course of his life. Most of them he acquired through the procreation of the slaves he inherited. He only bought around 20 or so, either to meet labor demands at Monticello or to unite spouses. And you're thinking of Sally Hemings. Elizabeth was her mother. He did promise his late wife, Martha, that he would never remarry. He did have a sexual relationship with Sally, who was Martha's half-sister and is said to have resembled her. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac <cite>Esrac posted [p:886557926] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>joe_stalin518 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>yea Gandhi HATED black people. probably even more than Jefferson did. you should see some of the stuff he said about them</quote> Jefferson didn't even hate black people. Yeah, he was racist. He absolutely thought blacks were innately inferior to whites, but he didn't necessarily hate them. As I recall, he had actually proposed a plan to gradually free the slaves, train them in useful trades, and deport them. The deportation thing was mostly because he figured there would be too much bitterness and resentment between whites and blacks over slavery for them to live together peacefully.</quote> I heard Jefferson actually never bought a single slave, he inherited them from his wife's father and knew if he just let them go they would have all just been captured and put into slavery again, and he wanted to marry Elizabeth hemming but promised his wife on her deathbed he would never marry again</quote> That's not quite true. Jefferson inherited about 175 slaves combined from his father and father-in-law, but own about 600 over the course of his life. Most of them he acquired through the procreation of the slaves he inherited. He only bought around 20 or so, either to meet labor demands at Monticello or to unite spouses. And you're thinking of Sally Hemings. Elizabeth was her mother. He did promise his late wife, Martha, that he would never remarry. He did have a sexual relationship with Sally, who was Martha's half-sister and is said to have resembled her.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 09/13/17 9:50:06 PM #99:	Capn Circus posted... RickyTheBAWSE posted... exactly why people should be careful about using the word "us" and "we." you don't speak for everybody who is the same hue as you, lol. You either have a grandiose inflation of your ego to think no one 300 years from now will believe your actions and the way you live your life to be stupid, soulless, wrong, or terrible--- or you still aren't comprehending that I'm conveying standards, knowledge, and practices change over time. the bolded part, like what specifically about me? try to have something substantial. right and wrong never changes. the only thing that changes is what society considers acceptable. this is basic common sense that I'm being forced to point out because your argument is intellectually dishonest. at best. --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:886558388] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted...</cite> <quote> exactly why people should be careful about using the word "us" and "we." you don't speak for everybody who is the same hue as you, lol.</quote> You either have a grandiose inflation of your ego to think no one 300 years from now will believe your actions and the way you live your life to be stupid, soulless, wrong, or terrible--- or you still aren't comprehending that I'm conveying standards, knowledge, and practices change over time.</quote> the bolded part, like what specifically about me? try to have something substantial. right and wrong never changes. the only thing that changes is what society considers acceptable. this is basic common sense that I'm being forced to point out because your argument is intellectually dishonest. at best.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 09/13/17 9:51:57 PM #100:	How the fuck can someone say 'wrong is wrong regardless of the time period'. The time period is the most important part of determining what's right and wrong, because society's opinion on that is always changing. Slavery wasn't 'wrong' back then. Some people felt like it was, sure, but that's only how things start. --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:886558515] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote>How the fuck can someone say 'wrong is wrong regardless of the time period'. The time period is the most important part of determining what's right and wrong, because society's opinion on that is always changing. Slavery wasn't 'wrong' back then. Some people felt like it was, sure, but that's only how things start.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 09/13/17 9:57:40 PM #101:	thronedfire2 posted... How the fuck can someone say 'wrong is wrong regardless of the time period'. The time period is the most important part of determining what's right and wrong, because society's opinion on that is always changing. Slavery wasn't 'wrong' back then. Some people felt like it was, sure, but that's only how things start. already covered this. "nuh uh" isn't a retort. --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:886558896] in Protesters... [t:75770732]...</cite> <quote><cite>thronedfire2 posted...</cite> <quote> How the fuck can someone say 'wrong is wrong regardless of the time period'. The time period is the most important part of determining what's right and wrong, because society's opinion on that is always changing. Slavery wasn't 'wrong' back then. Some people felt like it was, sure, but that's only how things start.</quote> already covered this. "nuh uh" isn't a retort.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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